From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Mon Oct 1 13:13:17 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 13:13:17 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ItCh0LjQu9GM0L3QsCDQsNGA0LzRltGPIiwg0L/QvtCx?= =?utf-8?b?0YPQtNC+0LLQsNC90LAg0L/QsNC90LDQvNGB0YzQutC+LdC80LDQu9GM?= =?utf-8?b?0LTRltCy0YHRjNC60LjQvNC4ICLQstC+0ZTQstC+0LTQsNC80LgiLg==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20181001101317.GA56267@cs.kiev.ua> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 07:56:29AM +0300, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote: > ?????, ???????, ?.???? > > . > ?? ???????? ??????????, ?? ???????? ?????? ???? ????????? ?????????... ??????? ? ????? - ??? ???????? ? ????? ???????????. > ??????? ????? ???????? - ?????? ???? ??????. ?????, 0. ? ??? ??????? - ????? ?? ????????, ? ????????? ??? ??? ?????-?????????? ????? ? ????? ? ??? ???????????? - ???? ??????. > ? ???????? ????? ?? ??????? ?.????? ???????. ? ?????? ???????? ?????????? > ?????... ?????? ???????? ????? - ??? ? ??????. ? ??? ??? ???? ?????? - ???????? ?????? ? ????????? :). ? ??? ????? ???????? ???, ???? ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????????? -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Mon Oct 1 13:16:16 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 13:16:16 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ItCh0LjQu9GM0L3QsCDQsNGA0LzRltGPIiwg0L/QvtCx?= =?utf-8?b?0YPQtNC+0LLQsNC90LAg0L/QsNC90LDQvNGB0YzQutC+LdC80LDQu9GM?= =?utf-8?b?0LTRltCy0YHRjNC60LjQvNC4ICLQstC+0ZTQstC+0LTQsNC80LgiLg==?= In-Reply-To: References: <4b3faff2-cb20-11d8-d2ba-2848335e0c33@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20181001101616.GB56267@cs.kiev.ua> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:27:31AM +0300, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote: > ??????, ??????. > > ? ? ????? ? ??????? "???????? ??????", ???? ??? ??????? ???????? ????????? > ?????? ???? ?? ???? ? ???? ?????????????? ?????? (? ??????? ???????), ??? > ?????? ????? ???1? > ????? ???????? ????? "?? ??????" ? ???, ? ??? - ? ??????? ????, ?? ???? > ????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???????. > ? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??????????? ?? 5-? ?? 112-? ????? > ? ??? ????? N ????? ????? ???????????? ??? "???? ?????????? ????????, ????????? ???????". -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From doka.ua at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 17:49:00 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 17:49:00 +0300 Subject: [uanog] Cisco IOS EAP-MSCHAPv2 client Message-ID: <248e77fd-9e57-b7f8-6dcc-3d08ca77995d@gmail.com> ??????, ? ???-?????? ?????-?????? ???? ????? ???? EAP-MSCHAPv2 ????????? ?? ??????????? ????? - ? ?????? IKEv2 ?????????? ?????????????? ?? ?????? username/password ? ?????????????? ?????????? ????? ???????, ??? ??? ??????????? ? ?????, ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????? - ????? ????? ? ?????? ?????????: Oct? 1 13:48:32.459: IKEv2:(SESSION ID = 1,SA ID = 1):Constructing IDi payload: '10.10.10.117' of type 'IPv4 address' Oct? 1 13:48:32.459: IKEv2:(SA ID = 1):[IKEv2 -> PKI] Retrieve configured trustpoint(s) Oct? 1 13:48:32.459: IKEv2:(SA ID = 1):[PKI -> IKEv2] Retrieved trustpoint(s): NONE Oct? 1 13:48:32.459: IKEv2:Failed to retrieve Certificate Issuer list Oct? 1 13:48:32.459: IKEv2-ERROR:(SESSION ID = 1,SA ID = 1):: Failed to build or process a certificate request Oct? 1 13:48:32.459: IKEv2:(SESSION ID = 1,SA ID = 1):Auth exchange failed ????? ??????? ???????? ? letsencrypt. ? ???????, ???? ?????-?? ??????? ?? ????? ???????????????? trustpoint (?) ? ??????? ???????? ???-??, ??? ???????? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????? ?? ???????. ? ??? ??? ? ???? ?? ??????????. * ???????????? PKI ??????? ??? ???: crypto pki trustpoint DST-X3 ?enrollment terminal pem ?usage ike ?revocation-check none ! ! ! crypto pki certificate chain DST-X3 ?certificate ca S/N ? [ ... CERT DATA ... ] * ??????????, ??????? ????????? ??????: issuer=C = US, O = Let's Encrypt, CN = Let's Encrypt Authority X3 subject=CN = myfqdn * ??????????????, "crypto pki authenticate DST-X3" ?????????? ??? ?????: issuer=O = Digital Signature Trust Co., CN = DST Root CA X3 subject=C = US, O = Let's Encrypt, CN = Let's Encrypt Authority X3 * ???? ??? ????? ????????, ?? ??? ???????????? ?????????? IKEv2 (proposals exchange ? ???????????? ? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ?????????) : crypto ikev2 proposal QLD-pro ?encryption aes-gcm-128 ?prf sha256 ?group 14 ! crypto ikev2 policy QLD-policy ?match fvrf any ?proposal QLD-pro ! crypto ikev2 profile QLD-prof ?match identity remote fqdn myfqdn ?authentication local eap mschapv2 username user password p123456 ?authentication remote rsa-sig ! crypto ipsec transform-set QLD-ts esp-aes esp-sha256-hmac ?mode tunnel ! crypto map QLD-map 10 ipsec-isakmp ?set peer remote-ip ?set transform-set QLD-ts ?set ikev2-profile QLD-prof ?match address cryptoacl ! ip access-list extended cryptoacl ?permit ip 10.10.10.0 0.0.0.255 25.0.0.0 0.255.255.255 ?? ??????? ??????? - strongswan ? ?? ????????: OSX, ????????, ??????????? ? ???? ???????, ? ?????? ???? ???????????? EAP-MSCHAPv2 :) ? ?????, ???-?? ???????? ?????? ???-?? ???????? ? ???????? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Mon Oct 1 21:01:45 2018 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:01:45 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ItCh0LjQu9GM0L3QsCDQsNGA0LzRltGPIiwg0L/QvtCx?= =?utf-8?b?0YPQtNC+0LLQsNC90LAg0L/QsNC90LDQvNGB0YzQutC+LdC80LDQu9GM0LQ=?= =?utf-8?b?0ZbQstGB0YzQutC40LzQuCAi0LLQvtGU0LLQvtC00LDQvNC4Ii4=?= In-Reply-To: <20181001101317.GA56267@cs.kiev.ua> References: <20181001101317.GA56267@cs.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <27f7cc60-516f-168d-3730-591065b34e3e@netassist.kiev.ua> 01.10.18 13:13, Paul Arakelyan ????: >> ??????? ????? ???????? - ?????? ???? ??????. > ?????, 0. ? ??? ??????? - ????? ?? ????????, ? ????????? ??? ??? > ?????-?????????? ????? ? ????? ? ??? ???????????? - ???? ??????. ?? ??? ??? ?????????, ??? ???????????? ???? ????? ????????? ????? ?? ???7 ? ????? ????????? ????????? ????? ?????, ? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ? ???-???, ? ? ?????????? ? ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??????. From basil at vpm.net.ua Tue Oct 2 19:49:46 2018 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (Vasiliy P. Melnik) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 19:49:46 +0300 Subject: [uanog] zfs delete disk Message-ID: ?????? ? ???? ??? ????, ???? ???? ???????? ???? ? ???????, ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ? ??????, ? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? raidz. ? ??????????? ??????? ?????? - ?? ? ???????, ? ? ??????. ? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???? ???????? ?? 100 ????? ???? ??? 100 ?????, ?? ??? ? ?????? ?????????. ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? diskid/DISK-WD-WCC7K2ET7N36p2, ????? ?? ?????????? ???????. ??? ???????? system 199G 39,3G 160G - 23% 19% 1.00x ONLINE - pool: system state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h37m with 0 errors on Tue Oct 2 19:02:51 2018 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM system ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/system0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/system1 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-WD-WCC7K2ET7N36p2 ONLINE 0 0 0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From satan at ukr.net Tue Oct 2 22:35:15 2018 From: satan at ukr.net (Vitalij Satanivskij) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 22:35:15 +0300 Subject: [uanog] zfs delete disk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20181002193515.GA60114@hell.ukr.net> ?????? ????? ??????? zpool get feature at device_removal ?? ? ?? zfs ????????? ????? ? ????????? ????? ????? ? device_removal GUID com.delphix:device_removal READ-ONLY COMPATIBLE no DEPENDENCIES none This feature enables the "zpool remove" subcommand to remove top-level vdevs, evacuating them to reduce the total size of the pool. This feature becomes active when the "zpool remove" command is used on a top-level vdev, and will never return to being enabled. ??? ??? ???? ??????? - ??????? ???????? ???? ????????, ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???????? ????????? ???????? ?? ??? (write) ???????? ????????? ?? ??????. ?? ??????? ? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???????. Vasiliy P. Melnik wrote: VPM> ?????? ? ???? ??? ????, ???? ???? ???????? ???? ? ???????, ????? ??????? VPM> ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ? ??????, ? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? raidz. ? VPM> ??????????? ??????? ?????? - ?? ? ???????, ? ? ??????. ? ????? ??????? VPM> ?????? ?? ??????? ???? ???????? ?? 100 ????? ???? ??? 100 ?????, ?? ??? ? VPM> ?????? ?????????. ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? VPM> diskid/DISK-WD-WCC7K2ET7N36p2, ????? ?? ?????????? ???????. ??? ???????? VPM> VPM> system 199G 39,3G 160G - 23% 19% 1.00x ONLINE - VPM> VPM> pool: system VPM> state: ONLINE VPM> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h37m with 0 errors on Tue Oct 2 19:02:51 2018 VPM> config: VPM> VPM> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM VPM> system ONLINE 0 0 0 VPM> mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 VPM> gpt/system0 ONLINE 0 0 0 VPM> gpt/system1 ONLINE 0 0 0 VPM> diskid/DISK-WD-WCC7K2ET7N36p2 ONLINE 0 0 0 VPM> _______________________________________________ VPM> uanog mailing list VPM> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua VPM> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From basil at vpm.net.ua Tue Oct 2 22:57:21 2018 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (Vasiliy P. Melnik) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 22:57:21 +0300 Subject: [uanog] zfs delete disk In-Reply-To: <20181002193515.GA60114@hell.ukr.net> References: <20181002193515.GA60114@hell.ukr.net> Message-ID: ???????, ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? - ???? ??????? ??? 11.2 ????????. ??, 2 ???. 2018 ?. ? 22:35, Vitalij Satanivskij : > ?????? ????? > > ??????? zpool get feature at device_removal > > ?? ? ?? zfs ????????? ????? ? ????????? ????? ????? ? > > device_removal > > GUID com.delphix:device_removal > READ-ONLY COMPATIBLE no > DEPENDENCIES none > > This feature enables the "zpool remove" subcommand to remove > top-level vdevs, evacuating them to reduce the total size of > the pool. > > This feature becomes active when the "zpool remove" command > is > used on a top-level vdev, and will never return to being > enabled. > > > ??? ??? ???? ??????? - ??????? ???????? ???? ????????, ??? ??? ?????? ??? > ???????? ????????? ???????? ?? ??? (write) > > ???????? ????????? ?? ??????. > > ?? ??????? ? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???????. > > > > Vasiliy P. Melnik wrote: > VPM> ?????? ? ???? ??? ????, ???? ???? ???????? ???? ? ???????, ????? > ??????? > VPM> ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ? ??????, ? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? raidz. ? > VPM> ??????????? ??????? ?????? - ?? ? ???????, ? ? ??????. ? ????? > ??????? > VPM> ?????? ?? ??????? ???? ???????? ?? 100 ????? ???? ??? 100 ?????, ?? > ??? ? > VPM> ?????? ?????????. ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? > VPM> diskid/DISK-WD-WCC7K2ET7N36p2, ????? ?? ?????????? ???????. ??? > ???????? > VPM> > VPM> system 199G 39,3G 160G - 23% 19% 1.00x ONLINE - > VPM> > VPM> pool: system > VPM> state: ONLINE > VPM> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h37m with 0 errors on Tue Oct 2 > 19:02:51 2018 > VPM> config: > VPM> > VPM> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > VPM> system ONLINE 0 0 0 > VPM> mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > VPM> gpt/system0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > VPM> gpt/system1 ONLINE 0 0 0 > VPM> diskid/DISK-WD-WCC7K2ET7N36p2 ONLINE 0 0 0 > > VPM> _______________________________________________ > VPM> uanog mailing list > VPM> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > VPM> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Mon Oct 8 16:18:25 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:18:25 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ItCh0LjQu9GM0L3QsCDQsNGA0LzRltGPIiwg0L/QvtCx?= =?utf-8?b?0YPQtNC+0LLQsNC90LAg0L/QsNC90LDQvNGB0YzQutC+LdC80LDQu9GM?= =?utf-8?b?0LTRltCy0YHRjNC60LjQvNC4ICLQstC+0ZTQstC+0LTQsNC80LgiLg==?= In-Reply-To: <27f7cc60-516f-168d-3730-591065b34e3e@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <20181001101317.GA56267@cs.kiev.ua> <27f7cc60-516f-168d-3730-591065b34e3e@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20181008131825.GA53648@cs.kiev.ua> On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 09:01:45PM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > > > 01.10.18 13:13, Paul Arakelyan ????: > >> ??????? ????? ???????? - ?????? ???? ??????. > > ?????, 0. ? ??? ??????? - ????? ?? ????????, ? ????????? ??? ??? > > ?????-?????????? ????? ? ????? ? ??? ???????????? - ???? ??????. > > ?? ??? ??? ?????????, ??? ???????????? ???? ????? ????????? ????? ?? > ???7 ? ????? ????????? ????????? ????? ?????, ? ????? ???????? ?? ??? > ???????? ?????, ?? ?????? ? ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????? GSM/CDMA ???????? (?? ?????????) ? ???????????? ???????? ? ???????? ????????????, ? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????????? ?????????. ?????, ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ????????? ? ???????? "????? 100$+?????+???? ?? ?? ???????". > ??? ? ???-???, ? ? ?????????? ? ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??????. 1) ? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????????? 2) ???-???? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ?????????, ???? ????? ????????. 3) ????? ? ?????????????? ??????/???????? ? ?????????????? ????????? - ??? ??????? ??????????? ???? "????????" ?? ????????? ?????? - ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? "?????? ???????? - ??????? ?????????????, ? ????????, ?????, ????????". ? ?? ?? ????? ???? "???????" ? ??????????? ??????? ???? ??????????, ???????????? ????? - ??????? ????. ??? ????????? ????????: "??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???????!" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies ?????????: https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Mon Oct 8 16:25:13 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:25:13 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= Message-ID: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> ??????????: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies ???-???? ?????????: https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud ???????: ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From netch at netch.kiev.ua Mon Oct 8 16:27:54 2018 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:27:54 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> hi, Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 16:25:13, unisol wrote about "[uanog] ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????? :)": > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies > > ???-???? ?????????: > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud > > ???????: > ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? > ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. ? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??? ???? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?????, ? ???????? ???? ?????????????-?? ???? ???? ????????? ???????????, ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ??????? IoT-?????????. -netch- From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Oct 8 16:54:10 2018 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 16:54:10 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?68nUwcrD2SDIwcvO1czJINfTxSDT1dDF0s3Jy9LZIDop?= In-Reply-To: <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20181008135410.GM14222@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 04:27:54PM +0300, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > ? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??? ???? ??? ?????????? ??????????? > ?????, ? ???????? ???? ?????????????-?? ???? ???? ????????? > ???????????, ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ??? ??? ????????? > ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ??????? IoT-?????????. ?? ????????? ?????. ??????? ? $21.4 ?? $12.6 ?? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ?????? ???????. ???????? ?????? ??????... - ??????? ????????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ?????????? ???????? - ????????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??, ???? ?????? ?? ?????????? "???????? ????????? ?????????? supermicro ?? ?????????" ??? ????????. ? ?????????, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From edigarov at qarea.com Mon Oct 8 17:48:43 2018 From: edigarov at qarea.com (Gregory Edigarov) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 17:48:43 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <7b5542be-e2ff-97c7-7784-2ec4139d7dd1@qarea.com> On 08.10.18 16:25, Paul Arakelyan wrote: > ??????????: > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies > > ???-???? ?????????: > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud > > ???????: > ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? > ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. > ? ???? ????? ????????? ????????????? ? ????? ??? "????????????????? ????????" ???????? ????? ??? ????????? ??-?? ????,??? ?? ????? ???????????? ???? ??? ????????? ????, ??????? ? ????????? ???, ???????? ????-?? ???. From doka.ua at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 18:31:47 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:31:47 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: ???????? ????????? ??? ????????, ? ???? ????? ??????: 1) ???-?? ??????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ???????? ?????????. ???????? ???????? ??????????? ????????????, ? ??? ???????? ????????. 2) ???-?? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ???????????? [?????] ??????????? ????? ? ???. ???????? ???????????? (???? ??????) ????? ????????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????? [??????????] IT. ???? ?????????, ??? ?? ???? ???????????? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????? - ? ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????????. ?????? ??? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ? ????? ??????????? ????????????. ?????? ??????? - ??? ????????????? ???-?? ???? - ???? ????????, ?? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? :-) ?? ???? ???? ??????? - ???? ??????????, ???????, ?????? ?????, ?????????? ???????? :) On 10/8/18 4:27 PM, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > hi, > > Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 16:25:13, unisol wrote about "[uanog] ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????? :)": > >> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies >> >> ???-???? ?????????: >> https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud >> https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud >> >> ???????: >> ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? >> ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. > ? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??? ???? ? ?????????? ??????????? > ?????, ? ???????? ???? ?????????????-?? ???? ???? ????????? > ???????????, ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ??? ??? ????????? > ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ??????? IoT-?????????. > > > -netch- > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon Oct 8 19:34:19 2018 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 19:34:19 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ???????????? ? ?????? ???????? - ????????????, ?.?. ? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????????????. ??? ???? ????, ??? ? ??????? (??? ?????????), ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ????? 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"Volodymyr Litovka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n 10/8/18 4:27 PM, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > hi, > > Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 16:25:13, unisol wrote about "[uanog] ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????? :)": > >> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies >> >> ???-???? ?????????: >> https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud >> https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud >> >> ???????: >> ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? >> ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. > ? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??? ???? ? ?????????? ??????????? > ?????, ? ???????? ???? ?????????????-?? ???? ???? ????????? > ???????????, ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ??? ??? ????????? > ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ??????? 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BIOS ???????? ?????????? ?? ????????????. ??? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ? ??????? ???????? ?? ??? ???????. On 08.10.18 19:34, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????, > > ???????????? ? ?????? ???????? - ????????????, ?.?. ? ??????? ?????? > ?????? ???? ??????? > ?????? ????????????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? > ??????????????. > > ??? ???? ????, ??? ? ??????? (??? ?????????), ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? > ??? ??? ????? SMCI ?? > ????????? ? ???????? ? ??????, ??? ??? ?????? ??????????. > > /8 ?????? 2018, 18:32:55, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" >:/ > > ???????? ????????? ??? ????????, ? ???? ????? ??????: > > 1) ???-?? ??????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ???????? > ?????????. ???????? ???????? ??????????? ????????????, ? ??? ???????? > ????????. > 2) ???-?? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? > ???????????? 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URL: From berestovskyy at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 20:44:53 2018 From: berestovskyy at gmail.com (Andriy Berestovskyy) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 19:44:53 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> ??????! ? ??????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ?????????... ? 2016 ? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????? (?????, ???? ??????): https://www.wired.com/2016/06/demonically-clever-backdoor-hides-inside-computer-chip/ TL;DR ?????????? ????????? ????????????? ALU ? Privilege Bit, ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????-?????? ?????? ??????????, ? ? ?????. ??-??, ???? row hammer, ?????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? :) ??????????, ??? ????? ?????? ????????? ??? ?? ?????? ? ??????????? ????? ???. ?????? > On 8 Oct 2018, at 15:25, Paul Arakelyan wrote: > > > ??????????: > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies > > ???-???? ?????????: > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud > > ???????: > ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? > ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. > > -- > Best regards, > Paul Arakelyan. > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Thu Oct 11 12:11:13 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:13 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20181011091113.GA19515@cs.kiev.ua> On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 04:27:54PM +0300, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > hi, > > Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 16:25:13, unisol wrote about "[uanog] ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????? :)": > > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies > > > > ???-???? ?????????: > > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud > > https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud > > > > ???????: > > ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? > > ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. > > ? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??? ???? ??? ?????????? ??????????? > ?????, ? ???????? ???? ?????????????-?? ???? ???? ????????? > ???????????, ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ??? ??? ????????? > ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ??????? IoT-?????????. ??? ??? ????? ????? "????????????? ???, ? ?? ????? ???? - ????????? ????????? - ???, ??-??-??!" ????? ???????? - ? ??? "???????? ??????" - ??? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ???????. -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Thu Oct 11 12:23:35 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:23:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <20181011092335.GB19515@cs.kiev.ua> On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 07:34:19PM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????? ??? ???? ????? ????????????, ??? ??? ??? "???? ?". ?.?. ???? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????: > ????????? ???? ? ??, ????????? ? ???? ??????????? ??????????????????, ??? ???????. ?????????? ?? ????? > ?? 5-7-??????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ???????, ????????? ?? ? ?????????? ? ?????-?? ???????, ? ??, > ??? ????? -???? ??????? ?????? ??? ?? ?????. ???????? ?? Homefront, "??????? ???? ???????! ?? ??????????? ?????????????!" > ????????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ? 200??, ?????? ???? ? ???????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ??????????? > ??????? + ??????? ? ???????????? ????????????. ?? ??? ?????? ??? 2+2: ????????? ???????????? ???? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????. ??? ??? ???????, ??? ???? ? ???????? ???????? ??????, ?? ??? ???????????? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ????... ? ????????, ???? ????????, ??? "??? ?????? ??????????? ??????" ??? ??? ???? ????????. ??????? ?????????? - ????????? ???????. ??????? ???????? - ?? ????????? ??????? ??????????????. ??????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? - "???? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???". ? ??? "????? - ?? ???? ???? ?????????, ????????!"(?)?????. -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Thu Oct 11 12:38:59 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:38:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 07:44:53PM +0200, Andriy Berestovskyy wrote: > TL;DR ?????????? ????????? ????????????? ALU ? Privilege Bit, ?????????? > ???????? ??? ?????? ?????-?????? ?????? ??????????, ? ??? ?????. ? ????????????? ??????????, ? ????????????? ??????????... ????? - ?? ????????? ???-??? ???????? ?????????? ??????-???? - 1. ???????? ??? ????????????????????? ????????????? (AWS/Azure/...), 2. ???????? ??? ?????????????, ??? ???????? ???????????? 3. ????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????, ??? ?????????? ??? ???????? ??????????? ?????. > ??????????, ??? ????? ?????? ????????? ??? ?? ?????? ? ??????????? ????? ???. ??? ? ?????????? - ????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????, ???????????? ? ????????, ??????? ?? ???? ? ????? ? ??????? ?????-???????? ????????? "?? ?????? ????". -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Oct 11 12:41:41 2018 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:41:41 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Thursday, October 11, 2018, 12:38:59 PM, Paul Arakelyan unisol at cs.kiev.ua you wrote: PA> ????? - ?? ????????? ???-??? ???????? ?????????? ??????-???? - PA> 1. ???????? ??? ????????????????????? ????????????? (AWS/Azure/...), ? ??? ?????????. PA> 2. ???????? ??? ?????????????, ??? ???????? ???????????? ? ??? ???? ?????????. PA> 3. ????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????, ??? ?????????? PA> ??? ???????? ??????????? ?????. ????????. ???? ?????????? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ?????????????. PA> ??? ? ?????????? - ????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????, ???????????? ? PA> ????????, ??! ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Thu Oct 11 12:43:55 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:43:55 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JDQvNC10YDQuNC60L7RgdGLINC90LUg0LvRg9GH0Yg=?= =?utf-8?b?0LUgKFJlOiAgItCh0LjQu9GM0L3QsCDQsNGA0LzRltGPIiwg0L/QvtCx?= =?utf-8?b?0YPQtNC+0LLQsNC90LAg0L/QsNC90LDQvNGB0YzQutC+LdC80LDQu9GM?= =?utf-8?b?0LTRltCy0YHRjNC60LjQvNC4ICLQstC+0ZTQstC+0LTQsNC80LgiLik=?= Message-ID: <20181011094355.GA20836@cs.kiev.ua> ??? ?? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ???????? ? ???? ??????, ???? ?? ??? ???????: https://www.wired.com/story/us-weapons-systems-easy-cyberattack-targets/ -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From netch at netch.kiev.ua Thu Oct 11 16:56:34 2018 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:56:34 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <20181011135634.GE599@netch.kiev.ua> hi, Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 19:34:19, vladimir.sharun wrote about "Re[2]: [uanog] ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????? :)": > ???????????? ? ?????? ???????? - ????????????, ?.?. ? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? > ?????? ????????????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????????????. ?? ???? ?? ;) ??????????? ????? ?????????? 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(highly unlikely) ??????????. ???? ??????????????? ??????? ?? ??, ?? ??, ??? ????????? ??????? ? ???? ? ??? ????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??????. ? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????????? ?????? ???????? ?????, ???????? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????, ????? ???? ?????????? ???????? ?? HTTPS. ????????????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ???????? ? ?????? ????? ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??, ????? ?????? ??? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??????????. ?????????? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ? ?? ????? ???????, ? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ???, ??? ? ???? ???? ????? ???-?? ????????? ????????? ??? ?????????? PHY, MAC ? ????? ?? ???? ????????. ?? ?, ???????, ??? ??? ??? ? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????????? ?????????????? ??????????? ???????. https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/09/bloomberg/ ??? ???, ??? ?? ????????????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ?? ??????? ???????? ???: * ?????????? ??????. ????? ?????????? ? ?????????? * ????????????? ?????????????? ????????. ??? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ??????? ? ????? ????? * ?????????? PHY ? ??????????? ??????. ??? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? 100 ????/? ? ???????? ? ???? PHY ?? 100 ????/? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????, ?????? ????? ? ??????????, ?? ?????????? ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????????? ?????? ?????. ??? ??????, ???????????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ??????? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? 3,3 ? ? 1,2 ?, ?????? ?? ??????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ?? 200 ?? ? ????; ?? ????, ???? ??????? ???????? 3,3 ?, ? 1,2 ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????, ????? ??????????? ? ??? ????? ??????? ?????, ? ??? ??? ??????????? ????? ??????? ???????. ???????????? ?????????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ? ?????, ???? ??? ???????? ?? 3,3 ? ????? LDO ? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ???????????. * ?????????? MAC-?????? ? ??????????? RGMII. ????? ? ?????????? ? ???????? ? PHY ?? ??????????? ???? ? ?????? ????????????? ?? 125 ??? ? ????? ?????? (?? ????? ????? ???????????) ?????????? ???????? * ?????????. ???? ? ?????? ? ??????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????? (NAT) ????????????? Cortex-A ? ????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ???-?? ?? 500-600 ????/? ???????? ?????????? ???????????, ?? ????; ?? ?????? ????????? ????????, ???????? ?? ??, ??? ??? ??????? ??? ?? 2?1 ??? ? ????, ????? ????????????? ?????????? ????? NAT. ? ???, ??????? ???????? ????? ??? DPI ? ???????? ??????? ? ?????????? ????, ??? ??? ????????? ? 5?5 ??, ??????? ??? ????? ????? ? ??? ??? ?????? ?????????, ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?, ??????, ???????? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ? ?????? RJ45, ? ???????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? 3,3 ? ??? ??????????? ??????? ????? ?????????????? (??? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ???????????????). ???????, ????????? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ????????? ????????? ??? BIOS'? ?? ?????????? ??????????? ????????. ????????? ???????, ??????? ???????, ?? ???????, ??? ?????? ???, ??????????? ? ?????? ? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ??????? ?? ????????????, ????????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ????????????... === end cut === > ??? ???? ????, ??? ? ??????? (??? ?????????), ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ????? SMCI ??? > ????????? ? ???????? ? ??????, ??? ??? ?????? ??????????. ?????????? ???????????, ??? ? Supermicro ????? ??????????. ?? ???????, ?? ?????? ?????. > ????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? - ??? ?????????. ??? ??? ????????. ??? ???????. > > ??????, ???? ? ?? - ??? ?????????????? ????????, ????? ??? ?? ?-?: AWS ???????? ?? ????????, > ??????? ????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????? - ??? ??? ????????? ? Independent ? ?????? ?? ????????, plz. -netch- From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Oct 11 17:29:14 2018 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 17:29:14 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20181011135634.GE599@netch.kiev.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <20181011135634.GE599@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1539266419.758590975.snes9zog@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, "??????? ??? ? ????????, ??? ??? ? ????????? Ethernet-?????????? ? ????? ??????????, ?????? ? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????????." ? ????????? - physical inspection revealed an implant?built into?the server?s?Ethernet connector. ?????????? ethernet-?????????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????, ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???? ????????????? ???? - ?? 1??. ??? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ?????, ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ????????? ? ??????? ??????? ?????????. ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????? ??? ??????????? ?????????, ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ? IPMI ??? ???????????? ? ??? ?????. IPMI ???????? ????? ??????, ????? ????????, ? ????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? PCI-E - ?????? ? ??????????, ? ????????? ????? ????. ?.?. ???????? ??? ???????, ????? ???? ?? ??????? ???-?? ?????????, ????????????? ??? ????? ???????? ???????. "???????????? ?????? ???????? ?????, ???????? ?????? ??????????????????? ?????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????, ????? ???? ??????????????????? ?? HTTPS." - ??? ??? ???? ?????, ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ??????, ???? ?????????? (no)SQL ? ??????????. ? ???????????? ?????????????? ?????? ????????. ???? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ????????????, ? ??? ??? ??????????? ??????? ????? - ?????? ???????. 11 ?????? 2018, 16:56:36, ??? "Valentin Nechayev" : hi, Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 19:34:19, vladimir.sharun wrote about "Re[2]: [uanog] ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????? :)": > ???????????? ? ?????? ???????? - ????????????, ?.?. ? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? > ?????? ????????????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????????????. ?? ???? ?? ;) ??????????? ????? ?????????? (??? ?? ????? - ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ????????????, ??? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ????????): === cut === https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/new-evidence-of-hacked-supermicro-hardware-found-in-u-s-telecom ?? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????????, ??? ??????? ? ????????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? ????????? ??????????, ?????? ????? ?????? ??????????????? ????????? ???????? ???????????? ? Ethernet-??????. ? ????? ? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? highly likely, ??? ???????? ???????? ????: ???? ????, ??? ?? ????? ???????, ??? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? (???? ?? ???????, ????? Apple Inc, ?? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ???????, ? ??????? ??? ????????) ??????? ??? ? ????????, ??? ??? ? ?????????? Ethernet-?????????? ? ????? ??????????, ?????? ? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????????. ??? ???? ?????????? ?????????, ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ??? ??????, ???? ???? ????????????, ??? ?? (highly unlikely) ??????????. ???? ??????????????? ??????? ?? ??, ?? ??, ??? ????????? ??????? ? ???? ? ??? ????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??????. ? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????????? ?????? ???????? ?????, ???????? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?????? ? ???? ??????????? ?????, ????? ???? ?????????? ???????? ?? HTTPS. ????????????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ???????? ? ?????? ????? ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??, ????? ?????? ??? ? ???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??????????. ?????????? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ? ?? ????? ???????, ? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ???, ??? ? ???? ???? ????? ???-?? ????????? ????????? ??? ?????????? PHY, MAC ? ????? ?? ???? ????????. ?? ?, ???????, ??? ??? ??? ? ?? ???? ?????????? ????????????? ?????????????? ??????????? ???????. https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/09/bloomberg/ ??? ???, ??? ?? ????????????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ?? ??????? ???????? ???: * ?????????? ??????. ????? ?????????? ? ?????????? * ????????????? ?????????????? ????????. ??? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ? ??????? ? ????? ????? * ?????????? PHY ? ??????????? ??????. ??? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?? 100 ????/? ? ???????? ? ???? PHY ?? 100 ????/? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????, ?????? ????? ? ??????????, ?? ?????????? ???? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????????? ?????? ?????. ??? ??????, ???????????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ? ??????? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? 3,3 ? ? 1,2 ?, ?????? ?? ??????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ?? 200 ?? ? ????; ?? ????, ???? ??????? ???????? 3,3 ?, ? 1,2 ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????, ????? ??????????? ? ??? ????? ??????? ?????, ? ??? ??? ??????????? ????? ??????? ???????. ???????????? ?????????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ? ?????, ???? ??? ???????? ?? 3,3 ? ????? LDO ? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ???????????. * ?????????? MAC-?????? ? ??????????? RGMII. ????? ? ?????????? ? ???????? ? PHY ?? ??????????? ???? ? ?????? ????????????? ?? 125 ??? ? ????? ?????? (?? ????? ????? ???????????) ?????????? ???????? * ?????????. ???? ? ?????? ? ??????? ???????????? ? ???????? ?????? (NAT) ????????????? Cortex-A ? ????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ???-?? ?? 500-600 ????/? ???????? ?????????? ???????????, ?? ????; ?? ?????? ????????? ????????, ???????? ?? ??, ??? ??? ??????? ??? ?? 2?1 ??? ? ????, ????? ????????????? ?????????? ????? NAT. ? ???, ??????? ???????? ????? ??? DPI ? ???????? ??????? ? ?????????? ????, ??? ??? ????????? ? 5?5 ??, ??????? ??? ????? ????? ? ??? ??? ?????? ?????????, ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?, ??????, ???????? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ? ?????? RJ45, ? ???????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? 3,3 ? ??? ??????????? ??????? ????? ?????????????? (??? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ???????????????). ???????, ????????? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ????????? ????????? ??? BIOS'? ?? ?????????? ??????????? ????????. ????????? ???????, ??????? ???????, ?? ???????, ??? ?????? ???, ??????????? ? ?????? ? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ??????? ?? ????????????, ????????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ????????????... === end cut === > ??? ???? ????, ??? ? ??????? (??? ?????????), ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ????? SMCI ??? > ????????? ? ???????? ? ??????, ??? ??? ?????? ??????????. ?????????? ???????????, ??? ? Supermicro ????? ??????????. ?? ???????, ?? ?????? ?????. > ????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? - ??? ?????????. ??? ??? ????????. ??? ???????. > > ??????, ???? ? ?? - ??? ?????????????? ????????, ????? ??? ?? ?-?: AWS ???????? ?? ????????, > ??????? ????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????? - ??? ??? ????????? ? Independent ? ?????? ?? ????????, plz. -netch- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"?????-???????", ????? ???? ??? ?? ????????????? ?????????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ???????, ???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????. > PA> 3. ????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????, ??? ?????????? > PA> ??? ???????? ??????????? ?????. > > ????????. > ???? ?????????? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ? > ?????????????. ?? ?????-?? ????????? ????????????? ?????? - ?????, ?? ? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ??? ?????? "?????????" ? ?? ????????????, ????????? ?? ????????. > PA> ??? ? ?????????? - ????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????, ???????????? ? > PA> ????????, > > ??! > ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. > ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. "??????, ??? ?? ??????, ???" ??? ????? ? ???????? ??????. ????????? ????? ????????, ? ????????? ??????? - ??? ??????, ??? ???????????? ??? ???????????. -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From doka.ua at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 12:04:52 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 12:04:52 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LrQvtC90YHQvtC70YzQvdGL0Lkg0YHQtdGA0LLQtdGA?= Message-ID: ??????, ? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? Cisco 2511? ???? ??????, ????? ?????????? ?????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? ???????????? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From maksym at tulyuk.com Thu Oct 18 13:10:01 2018 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 12:10:01 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LrQvtC90YHQvtC70YzQvdGL0Lkg0YHQtdGA0LLQtdGA?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lantronix EDS32PR Best wishes, Maksym (via mobile) > On 18 Oct 2018, at 11:04, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ??????, > > ? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? Cisco 2511? > > ???? ??????, ????? ?????????? ?????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? ???????????? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From doka.ua at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 14:00:04 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:00:04 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LrQvtC90YHQvtC70YzQvdGL0Lkg0YHQtdGA0LLQtdGA?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ??????????? ?????, ? ?????? ?????? On 10/18/18 1:10 PM, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > Lantronix EDS32PR > > Best wishes, > Maksym (via mobile) > >> On 18 Oct 2018, at 11:04, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> ??????, >> >> ? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? Cisco 2511? >> >> ???? ??????, ????? ?????????? ?????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? ???????????? >> >> ???????. >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From sha90w at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 16:32:35 2018 From: sha90w at gmail.com (Michail Litvak) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:32:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LrQvtC90YHQvtC70YzQvdGL0Lkg0YHQtdGA0LLQtdGA?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ??????, ? Moxa ???? ???????, ????? Nport ??????????. On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:05 PM Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ??????, > > ? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? > Cisco 2511? > > ???? ??????, ????? ?????????? ?????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? > ???????????? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- MYL2-RIPE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cisco 2511? > ???? ??????, ????? ?????????? ?????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? ???????????? eBay - Cyclades ACS32 (?? ?? Avocent ACS32, ?? ????????? ?????? :) ????? - Vertiv/Avocent ACS 6032, ACS 5032. > ???????. --igor From maksym at tulyuk.com Thu Oct 18 21:41:23 2018 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tuyluk) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:41:23 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LrQvtC90YHQvtC70YzQvdGL0Lkg0YHQtdGA0LLQtdGA?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Price list: 1989 USD; ????? ?? 12*5 ??????? ? 32 ????? - ?????????? 1.04 USD per port ?? 5 ??? ??????. ??? ???? ???? - ?????? CAPEX, ????? ?? ??????? ????????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?? SmartNet ??? Customer Care ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????????: CLI + SSH + XML. ? ????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? Regards, Maksym > On 18 Oct 2018, at 13:00, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ?????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ??????????? ?????, ? ?????? ?????? > > On 10/18/18 1:10 PM, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >> Lantronix EDS32PR >> >> Best wishes, >> Maksym (via mobile) >> >>> On 18 Oct 2018, at 11:04, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>> >>> ??????, >>> >>> ? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? Cisco 2511? >>> >>> ???? ??????, ????? ?????????? ?????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? ???????????? >>> >>> ???????. >>> >>> -- >>> Volodymyr Litovka >>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > From doka.ua at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 22:17:31 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:17:31 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LrQvtC90YHQvtC70YzQvdGL0Lkg0YHQtdGA0LLQtdGA?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ? ????? ????? 2511 ?? 300 ??????? ?? ?'????? ? On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 21:41 Maksym Tuyluk wrote: > Price list: 1989 USD; ????? ?? 12*5 ??????? ? 32 ????? - ?????????? 1.04 > USD per port ?? 5 ??? ??????. ??? ???? ???? - ?????? CAPEX, ????? ?? > ??????? ????????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?? SmartNet ??? Customer Care > > ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????????: CLI + SSH + XML. ? ????? ????????? ?????? > ??????? ?? ????? > > Regards, > Maksym > > > On 18 Oct 2018, at 13:00, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > > > ?????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ??????????? ?????, ? ?????? ?????? > > > > On 10/18/18 1:10 PM, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > >> Lantronix EDS32PR > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Maksym (via mobile) > >> > >>> On 18 Oct 2018, at 11:04, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >>> > >>> ??????, > >>> > >>> ? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????, ??? ?????? > ???? 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New York Times - ?? ???????? ???????, Judith Miller (??????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????) - ??????? ? Fox News, Jeffrey Goldberg (??????????? ??????? ??????? ???-??????) - The Atlantic, Bloomberg Opinion ? etc, etc, etc. ?? ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ????? - ????? ?????? ?????, ??????? ?????? ?? ??????, ????? ????????? ???????????, etc ?? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ?????, ?.?. ????????????? ??????????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ????????????. ?????? > On 8 Oct 2018, at 18:34, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ??????, > > ???????????? ? ?????? ???????? - ????????????, ?.?. ? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? > ?????? ????????????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????????????. > > ??? ???? ????, ??? ? ??????? (??? ?????????), ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ????? 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URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Fri Oct 19 09:29:36 2018 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:29:36 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <7CF59B7C-6248-4BEF-BCE4-0DA05448ADBE@tulyuk.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <7CF59B7C-6248-4BEF-BCE4-0DA05448ADBE@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: <1739569003.20181019092936@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ? ??? ?????-?? ????? "????????????? ???????????????" ? :) ? ?? - ???-?? ?? ??????????? ????? ???? ???-?? ???????? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ? ?? ??? "?????????? ??????????" ???????? :) ... Thursday, October 18, 2018, 10:34:51 PM, Maksym Tuyluk maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote: MT> IMHO "????????????? ?????????? ??????? ? 2002-2003 ????, ????? MT> New York Times ? ????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?????????? MT> ???????????????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ????????. ? ?????????? MT> ????????? ??? 1 ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ?????? ? ???????; ???? - MT> ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????????? ? ?????? ????? ??????????. MT> ? ??? ????????? ? ???????????????? New York Times - ?? ???????? MT> ???????, Judith Miller (??????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ? MT> ??????? ??????) - ??????? ? Fox News, Jeffrey Goldberg MT> (??????????? ??????? ??????? ???-??????) - The Atlantic, Bloomberg Opinion ? etc, etc, etc. MT> ?? ????? ??????, ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ????? - MT> ????? ?????? ?????, ??????? ?????? ?? ??????, ????? ????????? MT> ???????????, etc ?? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ?????, ?.?. MT> ????????????? ??????????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ????????????. MT> ?????? MT> On 8 Oct 2018, at 18:34, Vladimir Sharun wrote: MT> ??????, MT> ???????????? ? ?????? ???????? - ????????????, ?.?. ? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? MT> ?????? ????????????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????????????. MT> ??? ???? ????, ??? ? ??????? (??? ?????????), ????? ??? ??? MT> ??????? ?? ??? ??? ????? SMCI ?? MT> ????????? ? ???????? ? ??????, ??? ??? ?????? ??????????. MT> ??? ??? ?? ???. MT> ? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? - ? ?????-?????? ??????????, ??????? ???????? ??????? ?????? MT> ???? ?????????: "? ??? ????? ?? ?????????" - ??? ?????? ?-?. ?????? ???????? ???? ? ?????? MT> ??????????? ?????????????, ???????????? ????????????? ???????? ????????. MT> ????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? - ??? ?????????. ??? ??? ????????. ??? ???????. MT> ??????, ???? ? ?? - ??? ?????????????? ????????, ????? ??? ?? ?-?: AWS ???????? ?? ????????, MT> ??????? ????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???????????? - ??? ??? ????????? ? Independent ? MT> Amazon ? ???? ?????? ???????? ??????????. ?????????? ???????? MT> ??????? ????? ????? ? supply chain - MT> ?? ?????? ????, ?? ? ?????? ????? ????????? ?????????. MT> ? ???????? ???????? ???????, ?????? "?????? ???" ? ????????, MT> "?????? ??? ?????????? ??????" - MT> ?????? ?????-????? ??????? ?????? ?????????????? ?? ????????? ? MT> ??? ???????????, ??????? ???????? MT> ????????? ? ???? ?? ???? ?????-?? ????????????? ? ???????? ???? ??? ????, ?? ??? ?? ???????. MT> ?? ?????????, ??? ??? ????????????? ? ???????? ? ???? ?????????? MT> ? 2015, ??? ? ????????? ???????? ?-. MT> ??????? ??? ???? ????? ????????????, ??? ??? ??? "???? ?". ?.?. MT> ???? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????: MT> ????????? ???? ? ??, ????????? ? ???? ??????????? MT> ??????????????????, ??? ???????. ?????????? ?? ????? MT> ?? 5-7-??????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ???????, MT> ????????? ?? ? ?????????? ? ?????-?? ???????, ? ??, MT> ??? ????? - ??? ??????? ?????? ??? ?? ?????. MT> ????????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ? 200??, ?????? ???? ? MT> ???????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ??????????? MT> ??????? + ??????? ? ???????????? ????????????. MT> 8 ?????? 2018, 18:32:55, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : MT> ???????? ????????? ??? ????????, ? ???? ????? ??????: MT> 1) ???-?? ??????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ???????? MT> ?????????. ???????? ???????? ??????????? ????????????, ? ??? ???????? MT> ????????. MT> 2) ???-?? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? MT> ???????????? [?????] ??????????? ????? ? ???. ???????? ???????????? MT> (???? ??????) ????? ????????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????? MT> [??????????] IT. ???? ?????????, ??? ?? ???? ???????????? ????? ? ??? ?? MT> ????? ?????? - ? ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????????. MT> ?????? ??? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ? ????? MT> ??????????? ????????????. MT> ?????? ??????? - ??? ????????????? ???-?? ???? - ???? ????????, ?? ?? MT> ????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? :-) MT> ?? ???? ???? ??????? - ???? ??????????, ???????, ?????? ?????, MT> ?????????? ???????? :) MT> On 10/8/18 4:27 PM, Valentin Nechayev wrote: >> hi, >> >> Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 16:25:13, unisol wrote about "[uanog] ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????? :)": >> >>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies >>> >>> ???-???? ?????????: >>> https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-1-read-aloud >>> https://soundcloud.com/bloomberg-business/the-big-hack-part-2-read-aloud >>> >>> ???????: >>> ? 2015? ?? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????, ??????? ???? >>> ???????? ??????, ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?.?. >> ? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??? ???? ? ?????????? ??????????? >> ?????, ? ???????? ???? ?????????????-?? ???? ???? ????????? >> ???????????, ???? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???, ??? ??? ????????? >> ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ??????? IoT-?????????. >> >> >> -netch- >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka.ua at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 09:31:59 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:31:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: On 10/11/18 12:41 PM, Alexander V Soroka wrote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http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/368133-ozhivshiy-koshmar-kak-tesla-ubivaet-mirovoy-avtoprom (???????? ?? ?????? ?? .ru) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From doka.ua at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 09:37:44 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:37:44 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <7CF59B7C-6248-4BEF-BCE4-0DA05448ADBE@tulyuk.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <20181008132753.GC599@netch.kiev.ua> <1539015685.390565396.rldzgyjc@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <7CF59B7C-6248-4BEF-BCE4-0DA05448ADBE@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: ??? ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ??????? ??? master-slave ? Code of Conduct (CoC), ?????? ??????????????????? ????? ??????????: @CoralineAda: "I'm happy to announce CoC Beacon, a project designed to make establishing, managing, and enforcing codes of conduct easy and fair for open source projects of all sizes" -- "? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ???. ?????????, ??? ??? ??? CoC (code of conduct), ??????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????, ? ????? ????????? ?? ????, - ??? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??? ?? ????? Coraline. ????????, ??? ??? ??? CoC ????? ?? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????, ????????, ?????????, ???????, ????????? ? ?????? ?????. ??? ???, ?? ??????? ???? ???????????????? ????? ?? ?????????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???????. Social justice as a service. ??? ??????? ????????? ???? ?????, ? ????? ?? ????????? ??????? ??????? ?????????. ???????." On 10/18/18 10:34 PM, Maksym Tuyluk wrote: > ??????! > > IMHO "????????????? ?????????? ??????? ? 2002-2003 ????, ????? New > York Times ? ????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?????????? > ???????????????? ????????????????? ??????? ????????. ? ?????????? > ????????? ??? 1 ???????? ?? ?????, ?????? ?????? ? ???????;????? - ?? > ??????????? ?????? ??????????????? ??????????? ? ?????? ????? ??????????. > > ? ??? ????????? ? ???????????????? New York Times - ?? ???????? > ???????,?Judith Miller (??????? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ? ??????? > ??????) - ??????? ? 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URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Fri Oct 19 09:43:02 2018 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:43:02 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:31:59 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >> ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. >> ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. VL> ???, ??????????, ? ??????, ????????, ????? :) VL> "????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ??????? VL> ??????????. ??? ?? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? - ??????? ??????! ???? ????? ???????? (????? ?????????? ??????) ?????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????-????????. ? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???-?? ???-?? ??? ????? ??????????? ???? ????? ??? ???????????. "??????????? ??????? ?????" - ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. ???????? ? ????? ???????. -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka.ua at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 09:47:00 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:47:00 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> ??????, ???????, ???????, ?? ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????????? ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??????????? ???? ?? 28nm ????. ??? 7nm ???? ?? ?????????. ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????????????. On 10/19/18 9:43 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:31:59 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >>> ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. >>> ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. > VL> ???, ??????????, ? ??????, ????????, ????? :) > VL> "????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ??????? > VL> ??????????. ??? ?? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????? ???????? > > ??? ?????? - ??????? ??????! > > ???? ????? ???????? (????? ?????????? ??????) ?????? ??????????? > ???????? ? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????-????????. > ? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???-?? ???-?? ??? ????? ??????????? ???? > ????? ??? ???????????. > "??????????? ??????? ?????" - ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. > ???????? ? ????? ???????. > > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From alex at euro.net.ua Fri Oct 19 10:12:59 2018 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 10:12:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ???? ?? ? ??? ????? :-) ?? ?????? ?????-?? 28nm ????? ? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????? ? ???????????, ? ????? ?????????????????. ? ?????? ??? 28nm ! ???????? ??? ????, ? ????????? ?? ???? ???????, ??? ??? ? ?????? ????????? ?????? - ?? ?????????? ? ???????? - ? ????????? ??? ????, ? ????? ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ???? 10 ? ??? ? ????? "??????????????? ?? ?+++ ???" - ????????, ??? , ???????? ??????? ????????????? ?? ???? ? ? (??? ++) ? 1984 ????. ???? ?????? ???? ???????????? ??????????? - ??? 100% ???????? ????????????? ??????. ???? ? ?? 28nm - ???? ? ?? 40nm - ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? "??? ???????? ? ?????". Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:47:00 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: VL> ??????, ???????, ???????, ?? ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????????? VL> ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??????????? ???? ?? 28nm ????. ??? VL> 7nm ???? ?? ?????????. ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?? VL> ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? VL> ?????????????. VL> On 10/19/18 9:43 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> ?????? ! >> >> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:31:59 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >>>> ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. >>>> ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. >> VL> ???, ??????????, ? ??????, ????????, ????? :) >> VL> "????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ??????? >> VL> ??????????. ??? ?? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????? ???????? >> >> ??? ?????? - ??????? ??????! >> >> ???? ????? ???????? (????? ?????????? ??????) ?????? ??????????? >> ???????? ? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????-????????. >> ? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???-?? ???-?? ??? ????? ??????????? ???? >> ????? ??? ???????????. >> "??????????? ??????? ?????" - ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >> ???????? ? ????? ???????. >> >> >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka.ua at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 10:33:15 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 10:33:15 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <154d826c-1318-9441-a2f0-92b2f5e3d37e@gmail.com> ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????. ??? ? ??????????????????, ????????????????? ? ????????????. ?? ???, ???????, ????? ?????? 3?? "???????" ? ???????? ?? ?????????/??????????, ?? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ??? ?? ??????? ???????? :) ??? ?? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ??????, ???????, ?????????, ?? ? ???????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????????? ??????????. ???????? ? ????? ???, ????????, ?? ?????? (??? ???? ?? C) ? ?????????/????????? ??? ??????? ???????, ??? ? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??????????. On 10/19/18 10:12 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > ???? ?? ? ??? ????? :-) > > ?? ?????? ?????-?? 28nm ????? ? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????? ? > ???????????, ? ????? ?????????????????. ? ?????? ??? 28nm ! > ???????? ??? ????, ? ????????? ?? ???? ???????, ??? ??? ? ?????? > ????????? ?????? - ?? ?????????? ? ???????? - ? ????????? ??? ????, ? > ????? ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ???? 10 ? ??? ? ????? > "??????????????? ?? ?+++ ???" - ????????, ??? , ???????? ??????? > ????????????? ?? ???? ? ? (??? ++) ? 1984 ????. > > ???? ?????? ???? ???????????? ??????????? - ??? 100% ???????? > ????????????? ??????. > ???? ? ?? 28nm - ???? ? ?? 40nm - ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? "??? > ???????? ? ?????". > > > Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:47:00 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: > VL> ??????, ???????, ???????, ?? ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????????? > VL> ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??????????? ???? ?? 28nm ????. ??? > VL> 7nm ???? ?? ?????????. ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?? > VL> ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? > VL> ?????????????. > > VL> On 10/19/18 9:43 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>> ?????? ! >>> >>> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:31:59 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >>>>> ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. >>>>> ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. >>> VL> ???, ??????????, ? ??????, ????????, ????? :) >>> VL> "????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ??????? >>> VL> ??????????. ??? ?? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????? ???????? >>> >>> ??? ?????? - ??????? ??????! >>> >>> ???? ????? ???????? (????? ?????????? ??????) ?????? ??????????? >>> ???????? ? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????-????????. >>> ? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???-?? ???-?? ??? ????? ??????????? ???? >>> ????? ??? ???????????. >>> "??????????? ??????? ?????" - ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >>> ???????? ? ????? ???????. >>> >>> >>> > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From alex at euro.net.ua Fri Oct 19 10:46:14 2018 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 10:46:14 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <154d826c-1318-9441-a2f0-92b2f5e3d37e@gmail.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> <154d826c-1318-9441-a2f0-92b2f5e3d37e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <158113657.20181019104614@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Friday, October 19, 2018, 10:33:15 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: VL> ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????. ??? ? ??????????????????, VL> ????????????????? ? ????????????. ?? ???, ???????, ????? ?????? 3?? VL> "???????" ? ???????? ?? ?????????/??????????, ?? ????????? ???????? VL> ??????????? ??? ???????? ??? ?? ??????? ???????? :) ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??????, ? ?? "? ??????? ????? ?? ? ????? ?? ?? ???? ????????." VL> ??? ?? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ??????, ???????, ?????????, ?? ? ???????? VL> ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????????? ??????????. ??????, ???????? ?? ???? ??????, ? ?????? ??? - ??? ????? ??. ??? "????????? ???????????? ??", ??????? ???, ????????? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ???????? "??????? ?? ????????", ?? ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. ?????? ??? "? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?????". ???? ??? ????? ? 1??? ???????? ???????? "?????" ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ????? ? ?? "? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ?????????" ?? ?????? ??? - ??? ???????? ??? 28 ??? 40 nm ?????? ? ??????? ? ???? ?????, ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ???????-?? ???????????? ??? "????????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????" :) ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ? ??????? "?????? ??????? ????? ??????? ??? ?? PHP ??? "????? ??? ???????". ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? "???????? ???? ?? ?????" ? ????????? ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??? ????????????? ? ??????????? ??????????. ? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? :) ...??? ??????????: ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???????????? ??????????, ??? ??? ??? ? ????????????????? ????????, ? ?? ??? ??? ????? ?????????. ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????????) ??? ???????? ??? ? ?????????? ??????? ???? "???????? ???????????? ????????????????", ? ????? ?????? "????????? ???? ??? ??-?????" ? ?????? ?????. ??, ?? ?????? ????????? ?? ??????? ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? - ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????? :) ??????? ??? ?? ???? ??????? - ????? ? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ? ?? ??????????? ???????, ????? ? "???????????? ??????????". ?? ????????? :) ...? ?? ??????? ??? ?++ :-)... VL> On 10/19/18 10:12 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> ???? ?? ? ??? ????? :-) >> >> ?? ?????? ?????-?? 28nm ????? ? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????? ? >> ???????????, ? ????? ?????????????????. ? ?????? ??? 28nm ! >> ???????? ??? ????, ? ????????? ?? ???? ???????, ??? ??? ? ?????? >> ????????? ?????? - ?? ?????????? ? ???????? - ? ????????? ??? ????, ? >> ????? ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ???? 10 ? ??? ? ????? >> "??????????????? ?? ?+++ ???" - ????????, ??? , ???????? ??????? >> ????????????? ?? ???? ? ? (??? ++) ? 1984 ????. >> >> ???? ?????? ???? ???????????? ??????????? - ??? 100% ???????? >> ????????????? ??????. >> ???? ? ?? 28nm - ???? ? ?? 40nm - ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? "??? >> ???????? ? ?????". >> >> >> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:47:00 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >> VL> ??????, ???????, ???????, ?? ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????????? >> VL> ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??????????? ???? ?? 28nm ????. ??? >> VL> 7nm ???? ?? ?????????. ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?? >> VL> ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? >> VL> ?????????????. >> >> VL> On 10/19/18 9:43 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>>> ?????? ! >>>> >>>> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:31:59 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >>>>>> ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. >>>>>> ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. >>>> VL> ???, ??????????, ? ??????, ????????, ????? :) >>>> VL> "????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ??????? >>>> VL> ??????????. ??? ?? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????? ???????? >>>> >>>> ??? ?????? - ??????? ??????! >>>> >>>> ???? ????? ???????? (????? ?????????? ??????) ?????? ??????????? >>>> ???????? ? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????-????????. >>>> ? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???-?? ???-?? ??? ????? ??????????? ???? >>>> ????? ??? ???????????. >>>> "??????????? ??????? ?????" - ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >>>> ???????? ? ????? ???????. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka.ua at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 11:19:42 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:19:42 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <158113657.20181019104614@euro.net.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> <154d826c-1318-9441-a2f0-92b2f5e3d37e@gmail.com> <158113657.20181019104614@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ?? ?, ??????????, ? ?? ????? ????? :) ? ?????? ? ????, ??? ????????????? "??????" ?????????? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ????? (????. ???????? ??????????), ?? ??? ????????????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????. ???????, ??? ?? ????????, ??? ??????? "28nm ??????" ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????????, ??? ? ? ????? ????????. On 10/19/18 10:46 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > Friday, October 19, 2018, 10:33:15 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: > VL> ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????. ??? ? ??????????????????, > VL> ????????????????? ? ????????????. ?? ???, ???????, ????? ?????? 3?? > VL> "???????" ? ???????? ?? ?????????/??????????, ?? ????????? ???????? > VL> ??????????? ??? ???????? ??? ?? ??????? ???????? :) > > ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??????, ? ?? "? ??????? ????? ?? ? > ????? ?? ?? ???? ????????." > > VL> ??? ?? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ??????, ???????, ?????????, ?? ? ???????? > VL> ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????????? ??????????. > > ??????, ???????? ?? ???? ??????, ? ?????? ??? - ??? ????? ??. > ??? "????????? ???????????? ??", ??????? ???, ????????? ??? ??? > ??????? ??? ???????? "??????? ?? ????????", ?? ????? ?? ???????? > ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. > ?????? ??? "? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????, ? ???? > ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?????". > > ???? ??? ????? ? 1??? ???????? ???????? "?????" ????? ?? ??????? > ?????????? ????? ? ?? "? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ?????????" > ?? ?????? ??? - ??? ???????? ??? 28 ??? 40 nm ?????? ? ??????? ? ???? > ?????, ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ???????-?? ???????????? > ??? "????????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????" :) > > ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ? ??????? "?????? ??????? > ????? ??????? ??? ?? PHP ??? "????? ??? ???????". > ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? "???????? ???? ?? ?????" ? ????????? ??? > ????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??? ????????????? ? ??????????? > ??????????. ? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? :) > ...??? ??????????: ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???????????? ??????????, > ??? ??? ??? ? ????????????????? ????????, ? ?? ??? ??? ????? > ?????????. ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????????) ??? ???????? ??? ? > ?????????? ??????? ???? "???????? ???????????? ????????????????", ? > ????? ?????? "????????? ???? ??? ??-?????" ? ?????? ?????. ??, ?? > ?????? ????????? ?? ??????? ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? > - ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????? :) > > ??????? ??? ?? ???? ??????? - ????? ? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? > ??? ? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ? ?? ??????????? ???????, ????? ? > "???????????? ??????????". > ?? ????????? :) ...? ?? ??????? ??? ?++ :-)... > > > > > > VL> On 10/19/18 10:12 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>> ???? ?? ? ??? ????? :-) >>> >>> ?? ?????? ?????-?? 28nm ????? ? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????? ? >>> ???????????, ? ????? ?????????????????. ? ?????? ??? 28nm ! >>> ???????? ??? ????, ? ????????? ?? ???? ???????, ??? ??? ? ?????? >>> ????????? ?????? - ?? ?????????? ? ???????? - ? ????????? ??? ????, ? >>> ????? ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ???? 10 ? ??? ? ????? >>> "??????????????? ?? ?+++ ???" - ????????, ??? , ???????? ??????? >>> ????????????? ?? ???? ? ? (??? ++) ? 1984 ????. >>> >>> ???? ?????? ???? ???????????? ??????????? - ??? 100% ???????? >>> ????????????? ??????. >>> ???? ? ?? 28nm - ???? ? ?? 40nm - ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? "??? >>> ???????? ? ?????". >>> >>> >>> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:47:00 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >>> VL> ??????, ???????, ???????, ?? ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????????? >>> VL> ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??????????? ???? ?? 28nm ????. ??? >>> VL> 7nm ???? ?? ?????????. ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?? >>> VL> ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? >>> VL> ?????????????. >>> >>> VL> On 10/19/18 9:43 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>>>> ?????? ! >>>>> >>>>> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:31:59 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: >>>>>>> ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. >>>>>>> ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. >>>>> VL> ???, ??????????, ? ??????, ????????, ????? :) >>>>> VL> "????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ??????? >>>>> VL> ??????????. ??? ?? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????? ???????? >>>>> >>>>> ??? ?????? - ??????? ??????! >>>>> >>>>> ???? ????? ???????? (????? ?????????? ??????) ?????? ??????????? >>>>> ???????? ? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????-????????. >>>>> ? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???-?? ???-?? ??? ????? ??????????? ???? >>>>> ????? ??? ???????????. >>>>> "??????????? ??????? ?????" - ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >>>>> ???????? ? ????? ???????. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From paveln at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 12:26:47 2018 From: paveln at gmail.com (Pavlo Narozhnyy) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:26:47 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> <154d826c-1318-9441-a2f0-92b2f5e3d37e@gmail.com> <158113657.20181019104614@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ????????, ??? ?? ?? ????: Super Micro Computer Inc. said in a letter to two U.S. senators that it has seen no evidence of any tampering with its hardware components after a Bloomberg Businessweek report described how China?s intelligence services used subcontractors to plant malicious chips in the company?s server motherboards. ?We take the integrity of our products seriously,? the company said in response to questions posed by Senators Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican, and Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat. The Wednesday letter from Perry Hayes, president of Supermicro Netherlands, added: ?With respect to the recent media reports, Supermicro has seen no evidence of any unauthorized components in our products, no government agency has informed us that they have found unauthorized components on our boards, and no customer has reported finding any such unauthorized components.? ??, 19 ????. 2018 ? 11:19 Volodymyr Litovka ????: > > ?? ?, ??????????, ? ?? ????? ????? :) ? ?????? ? ????, ??? ????????????? > "??????" ?????????? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ????? (????. ???????? > ??????????), ?? ??? ????????????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????. ???????, > ??? ?? ????????, ??? ??????? "28nm ??????" ?? ????? ?? ?????? > ??????????, ??? ? ? ????? ????????. > > On 10/19/18 10:46 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > > ?????? ! > > > > Friday, October 19, 2018, 10:33:15 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: > > VL> ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????. ??? ? ??????????????????, > > VL> ????????????????? ? ????????????. ?? ???, ???????, ????? ?????? 3?? > > VL> "???????" ? ???????? ?? ?????????/??????????, ?? ????????? ???????? > > VL> ??????????? ??? ???????? ??? ?? ??????? ???????? :) > > > > ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??????, ? ?? "? ??????? ????? ?? ? > > ????? ?? ?? ???? ????????." > > > > VL> ??? ?? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ??????, ???????, ?????????, ?? ? ???????? > > VL> ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????????? ??????????. > > > > ??????, ???????? ?? ???? ??????, ? ?????? ??? - ??? ????? ??. > > ??? "????????? ???????????? ??", ??????? ???, ????????? ??? ??? > > ??????? ??? ???????? "??????? ?? ????????", ?? ????? ?? ???????? > > ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. > > ?????? ??? "? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????, ? ???? > > ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?????". > > > > ???? ??? ????? ? 1??? ???????? ???????? "?????" ????? ?? ??????? > > ?????????? ????? ? ?? "? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ?????????" > > ?? ?????? ??? - ??? ???????? ??? 28 ??? 40 nm ?????? ? ??????? ? ???? > > ?????, ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ???????-?? ???????????? > > ??? "????????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????" :) > > > > ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ? ??????? "?????? ??????? > > ????? ??????? ??? ?? PHP ??? "????? ??? ???????". > > ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? "???????? ???? ?? ?????" ? ????????? ??? > > ????????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??? ????????????? ? ??????????? > > ??????????. ? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? :) > > ...??? ??????????: ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???????????? ??????????, > > ??? ??? ??? ? ????????????????? ????????, ? ?? ??? ??? ????? > > ?????????. ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????????) ??? ???????? ??? ? > > ?????????? ??????? ???? "???????? ???????????? ????????????????", ? > > ????? ?????? "????????? ???? ??? ??-?????" ? ?????? ?????. ??, ?? > > ?????? ????????? ?? ??????? ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? > > - ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????? :) > > > > ??????? ??? ?? ???? ??????? - ????? ? ?????? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? > > ??? ? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ? ?? ??????????? ???????, ????? ? > > "???????????? ??????????". > > ?? ????????? :) ...? ?? ??????? ??? ?++ :-)... > > > > > > > > > > > > VL> On 10/19/18 10:12 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > >>> ???? ?? ? ??? ????? :-) > >>> > >>> ?? ?????? ?????-?? 28nm ????? ? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????? ? > >>> ???????????, ? ????? ?????????????????. ? ?????? ??? 28nm ! > >>> ???????? ??? ????, ? ????????? ?? ???? ???????, ??? ??? ? ?????? > >>> ????????? ?????? - ?? ?????????? ? ???????? - ? ????????? ??? ????, ? > >>> ????? ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ???? 10 ? ??? ? ????? > >>> "??????????????? ?? ?+++ ???" - ????????, ??? , ???????? ??????? > >>> ????????????? ?? ???? ? ? (??? ++) ? 1984 ????. > >>> > >>> ???? ?????? ???? ???????????? ??????????? - ??? 100% ???????? > >>> ????????????? ??????. > >>> ???? ? ?? 28nm - ???? ? ?? 40nm - ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? "??? > >>> ???????? ? ?????". > >>> > >>> > >>> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:47:00 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: > >>> VL> ??????, ???????, ???????, ?? ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????????? > >>> VL> ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??????????? ???? ?? 28nm ????. ??? > >>> VL> 7nm ???? ?? ?????????. ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?? > >>> VL> ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? > >>> VL> ?????????????. > >>> > >>> VL> On 10/19/18 9:43 AM, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > >>>>> ?????? ! > >>>>> > >>>>> Friday, October 19, 2018, 9:31:59 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua at gmail.com you wrote: > >>>>>>> ???? ??????? ?????????????, ???? ???????????? ? ???? ????????. > >>>>>>> ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???????. > >>>>> VL> ???, ??????????, ? ??????, ????????, ????? :) > >>>>> VL> "????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????????? ? ??????? > >>>>> VL> ??????????. ??? ?? ???????????? ? ????????? ??????? ???????? > >>>>> > >>>>> ??? ?????? - ??????? ??????! > >>>>> > >>>>> ???? ????? ???????? (????? ?????????? ??????) ?????? ??????????? > >>>>> ???????? ? ????????????? ????? ?????? ???????-????????. > >>>>> ? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ???-?? ???-?? ??? ????? ??????????? ???? > >>>>> ????? ??? ???????????. > >>>>> "??????????? ??????? ?????" - ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. > >>>>> ???????? ? ????? ???????. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > > > > > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Pavlo Narozhnyy +380 95 276 31 46 https://www.techniqtrading.com/ From ichunikhin at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 18:18:35 2018 From: ichunikhin at gmail.com (Igor Chunikhin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:18:35 -0400 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LrQvtC90YHQvtC70YzQvdGL0Lkg0YHQtdGA0LLQtdGA?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ??? ???????? Avocent ACSxxxx (?? ????, ?????? ?? ?? ???, ?? ?? eBay ?? ???? ????? ????? ??????) ? TrippLite. On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 05:05 Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ??????, > > ? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ???? > Cisco 2511? > > ???? ??????, ????? ?????????? ?????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????? ?? > ???????????? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Sat Oct 20 06:31:04 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:31:04 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <20181020033104.GA56341@cs.kiev.ua> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:31:59AM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > On 10/11/18 12:41 PM, Alexander V Soroka wrote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est regards, Paul Arakelyan. From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Sat Oct 20 06:38:02 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:38:02 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20181020033802.GB56341@cs.kiev.ua> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:47:00AM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ??????, ???????, ???????, ?? ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????????????? > ?????????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??????????? ???? ?? 28nm ????. ??? > 7nm ???? ?? ?????????. ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ?? > ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? > ?????????????. ????? 28??? ?? ????? 130 ???????, ??????? ???????. ?.?. - ??? ?????? ?? "??????", ? ?????? ?????? - ??????, ??? ?? ????????? ??????. -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From unisol at cs.kiev.ua Sat Oct 20 06:42:17 2018 From: unisol at cs.kiev.ua (Paul Arakelyan) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:42:17 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrQuNGC0LDQudGG0Ysg0YXQsNC60L3Rg9C70Lgg0LI=?= =?utf-8?b?0YHQtSDRgdGD0L/QtdGA0LzQuNC60YDRiyA6KQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> References: <20181008132513.GB53648@cs.kiev.ua> <46B51BDA-57B5-47BC-B1E1-AE1808082065@gmail.com> <20181011093859.GC19515@cs.kiev.ua> <8271997.20181011124141@euro.net.ua> <190615449.20181019094302@euro.net.ua> <86bd83fc-1956-93a7-46f9-e773d36f4bc4@gmail.com> <1764051743.20181019101259@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <20181020034217.GC56341@cs.kiev.ua> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:12:59AM +0300, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > ???? ?? ? ??? ????? :-) > > ?? ?????? ?????-?? 28nm ????? ? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????? ? > ???????????, ? ????? ?????????????????. ? ?????? ??? 28nm ! > ???????? ??? ????, ? ????????? ?? ???? ???????, ??? ??? ? ?????? > ????????? ?????? - ?? ?????????? ? ???????? - ? ????????? ??? ????, ? > ????? ??? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ???? 10 ? ??? ? ????? > "??????????????? ?? ?+++ ???" - ????????, ??? , ???????? ??????? > ????????????? ?? ???? ? ? (??? ++) ? 1984 ????. > > ???? ?????? ???? ???????????? ??????????? - ??? 100% ???????? > ????????????? ??????. > ???? ? ?? 28nm - ???? ? ?? 40nm - ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? "??? > ???????? ? ?????". ???, ?? ??????. ??? ? ?? ???????? ?????. ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ?????? ???-?? "????????". ?.?. - ?????? ??? ???????, ??? ????? ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ???? ???????. -- Best regards, Paul Arakelyan. From doka.ua at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 21:51:38 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 21:51:38 +0300 Subject: [uanog] mikrotik boot from saved config Message-ID: ??????, ? ???? ? ???????? ?????? ??????? ???, ????? ?? ???????? ?? ? ??????? ????????????, ? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ??????????, ?? ?????? ??? ??? ? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????. ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From basil at vpm.net.ua Sun Oct 21 22:01:07 2018 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (Vasiliy P. Melnik) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:01:07 +0300 Subject: [uanog] mikrotik boot from saved config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ? ????? ??? ???? ????? safe mode? ? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????, ??? ????? ?? ?????????. ??, 21 ???. 2018 ?. ? 21:51, Volodymyr Litovka : > ??????, > > ? ???? ? ???????? ?????? ??????? ???, ????? ?? ???????? ?? ? ??????? > ????????????, ? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ??????????, ?? ?????? > ??? ??? ? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????. > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka.ua at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 22:04:53 2018 From: doka.ua at gmail.com (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:04:53 +0300 Subject: [uanog] mikrotik boot from saved config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ??? ?? ???? ?????? ?????, ??? ??????? - ??? ??? ??????, ?????????? ????????? ? ???? :) ?? ???? ??? ? cisco ????? ???? ??????? boot config filesystem:filename, ? ???? ?? ??????? - ?? ?? startup-config, ??????? ?????????? _?????? ?????_ "copy run start" On 10/21/18 10:01 PM, Vasiliy P. Melnik wrote: > ? ????? ??? ???? ????? safe mode?? ? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????, ??? > ????? ?? ?????????. > > ??, 21 ???. 2018 ?. ? 21:51, Volodymyr Litovka >: > > ??????, > > ? ???? ? ???????? ?????? ??????? ???, ????? ?? ???????? ?? ? ??????? > ????????????, ? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ??????????, ?? > ?????? > ??? ??? ? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????. > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > ? ?"Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sm at netartgroup.com Sun Oct 21 22:20:56 2018 From: sm at netartgroup.com (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 21:20:56 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Alcatel-Lucent IP Phone 8038 Message-ID: <4A0875B8-E37B-47A5-8CDF-375CEAC2BFBA@netartgroup.com> ??????, ? ? ???????? ?????????? ???-?????? ??????? ? ?????? SIP? ??? ???? ??????????? ??? wideband-?????? ?? ???????? ????????, ? ??? ??????? ????????, ??????? ? ?? ?? PoE, ? ??? ????? stage 2/5 network config ? ??????? - bad ip address. ? ???? ? ?????, ? ??????? ????????? ? ???????????? ????-?? ?????? ?? ????. -- Cheers, Sergey