From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Aug 1 22:29:51 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 22:29:51 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= Message-ID: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ???? ??????, ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? 120? ?? 12? - ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????????/??????????. ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??? +/- 5% ?? ????????????? ?? ?????? (???????? ?? 1? ? ?? 120?) ? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????????. ???????? ????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? - ?? ? ????????. ????? ? ???? ???? ????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ripple'?? ?? ?? ? ??, cross load ?? 3.3 ? 5?, (??)???????? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ???? 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VS> ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??? +/- 5% ?? VS> ????????????? ?? ?????? (???????? ?? 1? ? ?? 120?) ? ????? ??? VS> ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????????. VS> ???????? ????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? - ?? ? ????????. VS> ????? ? ???? ???? ????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? VS> ???????? ripple'?? ?? ?? ? ??, cross load ?? 3.3 ? 5?, VS> (??)???????? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ???? (?? ????????? VS> ??????),? ? ???? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ???? - ????? ????? ???? ???. ? ???? ???? ????????? :) ???? ?? ???????? ? "?????????". ?????? ?????: 120? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? (?????? ????) ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? + ...) http://www.tehencom.com/Categories/Electronic_Loads/Electronic_Loads.htm ? ???????? (?? ??? ??????? ? ????? ??????) ???? ??? ?????????, ?? ??????? ? ?????-?? ??????????, ?? ? ????????? ?????????-??????????. ????? ??????? ??????? ?????, ? ????? (???? ????? ????) ??????? ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???-????. (??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???????? ???????) ????? FLUKE ?????? ?? ??????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????. ??????? - ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? - ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????????... ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???... ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ? ? ?????-???????? ? ???? ? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????, ? ???????? ????, ??? "????????? ?????????" ?????? ?? ?????? ????. ?????? ????? - ???? ??????? ??????? ?????????? - ?? ?? ??????? ??????? ????????? "????? ???????". ? ??????? ???????(???????) ??????? ???? ???????? ????... -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From alex at euro.net.ua Fri Aug 2 11:45:40 2019 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:45:40 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:45:18 AM, Vladimir Sharun vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS> ??????????????? ???? url ??? ?? ???????? ? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? UANOG ?? ? ?? ?? ????? :-) ?????? ??? ???????? ? "??????????", ? ?????? ? ?? ????? ????????? ? ???????. VS> ???????? ?? ?????????, ???? ???????? ?????, ??? ? ??? ? ?????? VS> ???-?? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ??. ???. ??? ????????? ???????, ?????? "??? ? ??? ????", ? ????????????? ?????? ????, ??????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?????? ????? ?? ???????, ? ???? ? ??????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ??????. ?? ? ????????? ??????????: ?????????? ????? ????? ??????, ? ????? ?? ??????????? ?? "????? ??????". ???? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?? ????? - ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ???. ????? ??? ?????... ? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ????? ?????, ?? ??? ? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ??? ? ?? 2500 ???????? :-) VS> ? ????????? ATX ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ????? - ??? ???? VS> ??????, ??? ??? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ? ????? ????????? VS> ???????????? 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TL ??????????? ??? ??????????? ??... ? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??? ?????, ? ?????? ?????????? ??????? - ???? ???? ????? ? ???????? :) ???? ?? ???????, ? ?????????????? ???? ?? ???? - ????. VS> 2 ?????? 2019, 09:10:26, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : VS> ?????? ! VS> Thursday, August 1, 2019, 10:29:51 PM, Vladimir Sharun VS> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>> ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? 120? ?? VS>> 12? - ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????????/??????????. VS>> ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??? +/- 5% ?? VS>> ????????????? ?? ?????? (???????? ?? 1? ? ?? 120?) ? ????? ??? VS>> ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????????. VS>> ???????? ????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? - ?? ? ????????. VS>> ????? ? ???? ???? ????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? VS>> ???????? ripple'?? ?? ?? ? ??, cross load ?? 3.3 ? 5?, VS>> (??)???????? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ???? (?? ????????? VS>> ??????),? ? ???? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ???? - ????? ????? ???? ???. VS> ? ???? ???? ????????? :) ???? ?? ???????? ? "?????????". VS> ?????? ?????: 120? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? (?????? VS> ????) ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? + ...) VS> http://www.tehencom.com/Categories/Electronic_Loads/Electronic_Loads.htm VS> ? ???????? (?? ??? ??????? ? ????? ??????) ???? ??? ?????????, ?? VS> ??????? ? ?????-?? ??????????, ?? ? ????????? ?????????-??????????. VS> ????? ??????? ??????? ?????, ? ????? (???? ????? ????) ??????? ????? VS> ??????? ????? ?????? ???-????. (??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???????? VS> ???????) VS> ????? FLUKE ?????? ?? ??????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????? ???? - ??? VS> ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????. VS> ??????? - ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? - ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? VS> ???? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????????... VS> ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???... VS> ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ? ? ?????-???????? ? VS> ???? ? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? VS> ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????, ? ???????? ????, ??? "????????? VS> ?????????" ?????? ?? ?????? ????. VS> ?????? ????? - ???? ??????? ??????? ?????????? - ?? ?? ??????? ??????? VS> ????????? "????? ???????". ? ??????? ???????(???????) ??????? ???? VS> ???????? ????... -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Fri Aug 2 12:10:33 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:10:33 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ????????? ??????????, ? ?????????, ? ????????????? ??????? "??????? ??????, ????? ??????". ??-????? ???????????????? "???????????" ????????? ?????????????, ????? ????????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? - ??? ???????????? ????? ???????. ????????, ??? ? ???? ????? ??, ?? ????????????? ????? ? ?????????????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???????? ????? ??????? ?? ??. ????????? ?? ????? ????????? ?? - 130 ??? ????? (??? 15 ??? ??????????? ??????) ??? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????????? (22-25? ? ?????????/???? ?????). ?? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????????, ????? ????????, ??? "????????? ?? ?????" - ??? ?? ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ???????????? ?????? ??????, ????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? (????? ?? ??????) ????????? ?????-?? ??????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ????????????? (????????).? ?? ????????, ? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???????, ???? ????? ??????? (???, ??) - ??? ?? ????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?????-?? ?????? ???????????, ???????????? ? ???????? ???????.? ???? ????? ?????? ? ????? ??????????? ??, ??????? ? ??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????, ?? ? ??????? ????????????, ??? ? ???????????? ??? ????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ??? ????????. ??? ?????????? ????????? ???????????????? ??????? ??????????, ??? ?? - ??? ????? ??? ????? ??????????? ? ????????? ???????????? ?????????. ? ????????, ??? ??????????????? ????? ??????????? - ??? ????? ?????????? ????, ????? ???????? ??????? - ????????? ?????????????? ?? ?? ????? ? ??? ?? ??? ????????, ??? ????????? ??????????????? ????? ?? ?????? 12 ????? ????? - ??? ???????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ? ???????? ??????. ???-?? ???. ????? ?????????? ????????? ??????????.? 2 ?????? 2019, 11:45:45, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:45:18 AM, Vladimir Sharun vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS> ??????????????? ???? url ??? ?? ???????? ? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? UANOG ?? ? ?? ?? ????? :-) ?????? ??? ???????? ? "??????????", ? ?????? ? ?? ????? ????????? ? ???????. VS> ???????? ?? ?????????, ???? ???????? ?????, ??? ? ??? ? ?????? VS> ???-?? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ??. ???. ??? ????????? ???????, ?????? "??? ? ??? ????", ? ????????????? ?????? ????, ??????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?????? ????? ?? ???????, ? ???? ? ??????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ??????. ?? ? ????????? ??????????: ?????????? ????? ????? ??????, ? ????? ?? ??????????? ?? "????? ??????". ???? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?? ????? - ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ???. ????? ??? ?????... ? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ????? ?????, ?? ??? ? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ??? ? ?? 2500 ???????? :-) VS> ? ????????? ATX ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ????? - ??? ???? VS> ??????, ??? ??? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ? ????? ????????? VS> ???????????? "?????" ?????????. ??... ??? ? ???? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ????? - ?? ????? ??????? ??????? - ????????????-???????????. ????????? ??-?? ????????? ? "??? ???", ??????? ???????? ? ??????????? ?????????. ??? ??? ???? ? ???? ? ?? ?? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? "??????????(!) ?? 5000 ????? ??????" ?? ?? ????? :-) ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ? ???????? "??? ?????". ?? ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???????????, ? ??? LowESR ???????? ????? ???? ? ???? (? ?????? ???? ? ??????? ??? ????? ???). ??? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?????????. ? ??????? ??????. VS> ????? ?? ?? ???????? ?????????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ? VS> ?????? ????????? (?????????? ?????, ??? ????????). ???? ???? ?? ??????? ????? - ?? ?????? ???? ?? ? ???????? ??????????? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ?? Low ESR ??????????? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ????????? ? "?????? ?????????". ???? ?????????? ? ?? ????? ??????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????. ?? ??? ??? ?? TL ??????????? ??? ??????????? ??... ? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??? ?????, ? ?????? ?????????? ??????? - ???? ???? ????? ? ???????? :) ???? ?? ???????, ? ?????????????? ???? ?? ???? - ????. VS> 2 ?????? 2019, 09:10:26, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : VS> ?????? ! VS> Thursday, August 1, 2019, 10:29:51 PM, Vladimir Sharun VS> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>> ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? 120? ?? VS>> 12? - ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????????/??????????. VS>> ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??? +/- 5% ?? VS>> ????????????? ?? ?????? (???????? ?? 1? ? ?? 120?) ? ????? ??? VS>> ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????????. VS>> ???????? ????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? - ?? ? ????????. VS>> ????? ? ???? ???? ????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? VS>> ???????? ripple'?? ?? ?? ? ??, cross load ?? 3.3 ? 5?, VS>> (??)???????? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ???? (?? ????????? VS>> ??????),? ? ???? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ???? - ????? ????? ???? ???. VS> ? ???? ???? ????????? :) ???? ?? ???????? ? "?????????". VS> ?????? ?????: 120? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? (?????? VS> ????) ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? + ...) VS> http://www.tehencom.com/Categories/Electronic_Loads/Electronic_Loads.htm VS> ? ???????? (?? ??? ??????? ? ????? ??????) ???? ??? ?????????, ?? VS> ??????? ? ?????-?? ??????????, ?? ? ????????? ?????????-??????????. VS> ????? ??????? ??????? ?????, ? ????? (???? ????? ????) ??????? ????? VS> ??????? ????? ?????? ???-????. (??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???????? VS> ???????) VS> ????? FLUKE ?????? ?? ??????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????? ???? - ??? VS> ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????. VS> ??????? - ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? - ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? VS> ???? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????????... VS> ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???... VS> ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ? ? ?????-???????? ? VS> ???? ? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? VS> ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????, ? ???????? ????, ??? "????????? VS> ?????????" ?????? ?? ?????? ????. VS> ?????? ????? - ???? ??????? ??????? ?????????? - ?? ?? ??????? ??????? VS> ????????? "????? ???????". ? ??????? ???????(???????) ??????? ???? VS> ???????? ????... -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Fri Aug 2 12:39:15 2019 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:39:15 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: > On Aug 2, 2019, at 12:10, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > HI! > > ? ????????, ??? ??????????????? ????? ??????????? - ??? ????? ?????????? ????, ????? ???????? ??????? - ????????? ?????????????? ?? ?? ????? ? ??? ?? ??? ????????, ??? ????????? ??????????????? ????? ?? ?????? 12 ????? ????? - ??? ???????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ? ???????? ??????. > ? ????? ????????????????, ? ?????? ?????????? ??????????? ??? ??????????????? ????????? ?? ?????? > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From alex at euro.net.ua Fri Aug 2 12:42:02 2019 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:42:02 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <184122075.20190802124202@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! 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(??????!), ? ???????????. ? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? ? ??. ???? ?? ???????, ?? ??????? ?????? - ???? ????? ?? ????????? ?????(!) ???????????? ?? ??????????????? (? ????? ?????). ??? ??? ???? ?? "??????" ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ????????. ? ????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ????????????????? ????????????. ??? ????????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???????????. ? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? ????????. ??????????? - ??? ????? ?????? ?????. ???????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?? "????????" ? ?? ????????? ? ?????? ?? ???. ????? ??????????? - ?????? ????? ???????. VS> ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?????????: ? ???????? ???????? ????? VS> ?????????, ?????????? ?? ? ?????????? ???????? ? ???? VS> ?????????-?????-???? ?????????. ?? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? VS> ????????? ?????????? (????????) ??????????? ?????????. ??? ?????? ???? :-) ?????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????????? (?????????? ????????????? ? ?????) ????? ???? ?????? ?????. 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VS>> ??????????? ??????) ??? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????????? (22-25? ? ?????????/???? ?????). VS> 15 ??? ??? ????????????? ????????. VS> ??? ??????????? ??????????? ???? ? 5 ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????????? VS> ??????? (?????? ?????? - "????????????? ???????" ??? ?????? ????????). VS> ??? ??? 15 ??? ??? ?? ??? ???????, ???? ?? ?? ????? 5-6 ??? VS> ???????????. VS> ??????????: VS> https://ispytano.ru/-page_page_11459 VS> https://www.hardwareluxx.ru/index.php/news/hardware/prozessoren/36262-software-nbti.html VS> https://habr.com/ru/post/358342/ VS>> ??? ?????????? ????????? ???????????????? ??????? ??????????, ??? VS>> ?? - ??? ????? ??? ????? ??????????? ? ????????? ???????????? ?????????. VS> ? SSD ???? ?? ???????. ?????? NAND ?????? (??????? ??????) ?????????? VS> ? ??????? ?? 1000 ???????????. ??????? "?????" ???? ??? ?????? ??, VS> ??? "?????????? ????" ?? ?????? ? ???? ? ?? ?? ??????? ? VS> "???????????" ??????????????????(??????) ?? ???? ???????. 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VS> ? ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ??, ? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????????, ??? VS> ? ????????? ???????? ???? "12 ???" , ??? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????. VS> ?????? ??? ? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ???????? - ? ?? ??? ?????????? VS> ?????????????? ?????????? ?? "???????" ??????????? ??? ?????? ?? VS> ????????, ????? ??? "?????? ???????" ???????? ????? ????????? ? VS> ????????????. ??? ? ?????????????? ??????? - ? ???? ??? ????? ?? VS> ???????? 50% ?? ??? ???????? ??? ? ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????, ? VS> ?????? ??? ???????????. VS>> 2 ?????? 2019, 11:45:45, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : VS>> Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:45:18 AM, Vladimir Sharun VS>> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>>> ??????????????? ???? url ??? ?? ???????? ? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? UANOG VS>> ?? ? ?? ?? ????? :-) VS>> ?????? ??? ???????? ? "??????????", ? ?????? ? ?? ????? ????????? ? VS>> ???????. VS>>> ???????? ?? ?????????, ???? ???????? ?????, ??? ? ??? ? ?????? VS>>> ???-?? ?????????? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ??. 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VS>>> 2 ?????? 2019, 09:10:26, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : VS>>> ?????? ! VS>>> Thursday, August 1, 2019, 10:29:51 PM, Vladimir Sharun VS>>> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>>>> ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? 120? ?? VS>>>> 12? - ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????????/??????????. VS>>>> ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??? +/- 5% ?? VS>>>> ????????????? ?? ?????? (???????? ?? 1? ? ?? 120?) ? ????? ??? VS>>>> ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????????. VS>>>> ???????? ????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? - ?? ? ????????. VS>>>> ????? ? ???? ???? ????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? VS>>>> ???????? ripple'?? ?? ?? ? ??, cross load ?? 3.3 ? 5?, VS>>>> (??)???????? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ???? (?? ????????? VS>>>> ??????),? ? ???? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ???? - ????? ????? ???? ???. VS>>> ? ???? ???? ????????? :) ???? ?? ???????? ? "?????????". VS>>> ?????? ?????: 120? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? (?????? VS>>> ????) ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? + ...) VS>>> http://www.tehencom.com/Categories/Electronic_Loads/Electronic_Loads.htm VS>>> ? ???????? (?? ??? ??????? ? ????? ??????) ???? ??? ?????????, ?? VS>>> ??????? ? ?????-?? ??????????, ?? ? ????????? ?????????-??????????. VS>>> ????? ??????? ??????? ?????, ? ????? (???? ????? ????) ??????? ????? VS>>> ??????? ????? ?????? ???-????. (??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???????? VS>>> ???????) VS>>> ????? FLUKE ?????? ?? ??????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????? ???? - ??? VS>>> ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????. VS>>> ??????? - ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? - ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? VS>>> ???? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????????... VS>>> ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???... VS>>> ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ? ? ?????-???????? ? VS>>> ???? ? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? VS>>> ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????, ? ???????? ????, ??? "????????? VS>>> ?????????" ?????? ?? ?????? ????. 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VS>>> ???????? ????... -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Fri Aug 2 13:39:15 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:39:15 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <184122075.20190802124202@euro.net.ua> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <184122075.20190802124202@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1564741402.213376000.g28j0fjd@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ????????? ??????????, ?? ????????? ???? ??????? ? SSD, ? ??????????? ????? ????????? 5 ??? ?? ???? ?? ??????????? - ??? ??? ???. ????? ??? ????? ??????????????. ? ?????? ? ?????? ???????????, ?????? ?? ???????? ?????????????? ???????? (??????? ??????????? ??????????? ?? ??????). ?????? ? ssd ?????? - ??? ?? "??????? ???? ??????? ??????????", ? "????? overprovisioning ?????????? ???? ?????? ???????? ????????, ???????? ????? ???????????? ?????????". 2 ?????? 2019, 12:43:22, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ? SSD ???? ?? ???????. ?????? NAND ?????? (??????? ??????) ?????????? ? ??????? ?? 1000 ???????????. ??????? "?????" ???? ??? ?????? ??, ??? "?????????? ????" ?? ?????? ? ???? ? ?? ?? ??????? ? "???????????" ??????????????????(??????) ?? ???? ???????. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%88-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D1%8C ???? ????????????? ???????? ????? 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URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Fri Aug 2 14:06:35 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:06:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <533402770.20190802133900@euro.net.ua> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <184122075.20190802124202@euro.net.ua> <1564739065.64763000.ph3zy1ma@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <533402770.20190802133900@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1564742919.504272000.m7s3bl66@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??Longevity is guesswork.?Most advanced semiconductors are reliable enough for devices that last two years. Some of them could last 50 years. But the reality is that no one knows what problems will erupt with 16/14nm chips, or whether they?re better than 10nm chips, because dynamic power density is a new challenge. Even 28nm has only recently become a mainstream node for development. And as new technologies such as finFETs, gate-all-around FETs, new materials, new interconnects such as through-silicon vias, and new processes are introduced, there are always uncertainties. ??Use cases matter.?As semiconductors become more complex, it becomes more difficult to find all of the bugs. Some of those may be use-case dependent, which makes the definition of reliability not only unique for each device, but unique for each user. With more components competing for memory, multiple voltage islands, blocks being turned on and off, and much more software and firmware, the usable lifespan of a chip looks more like a bell curve than a fixed number. ????????? ??????????, ?? ??? ??? ????? "no one", who knows ? 2 ?????? 2019, 13:39:14, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! Friday, August 2, 2019, 1:04:54 PM, Vladimir Sharun vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS> ???????? ???? ????????? ?? ??? ????? Prime95 - ??????? ???????, VS> ?????????, ?????? ??? ??????????. VS> ?.?. ???? ?????? - ??? ????? ??????.? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ??? 14?? ???????? ????????? "????? ??? ????????", ???? ?? ??????. ??????? "?????????? ?????". :-) ???? ??????? "???????? ???????", ??? ??? ??? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? - ??? ??????? "?????????" ????? ?????????, ???????? ???? ?????? ? ???????????. ?? ? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ????????? ??????? ?? ????? ???? "????????????". https://habr.com/ru/post/457952/ ? ?????????????????, ????????, ? ????????? ????? ????? - ??? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? "?? ??????". ?? ??? ?????? ?? 14?? ??????? - ?????? ? 20 ??? ????????. VS> ?? ???????? ????????????????? ???????? ?????? ??, ??????? ???? ? ??????????. VS> ?????????? ???????, ??? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ? ?? VS> ????????????? Gold-Platinum-Titanium? - 130 ??? ????? ?? ?????.? VS> ? ? ???? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ??, VS> ??? ? ???? ?????????? ?? ????????. VS> ?? ???????????? (??????!), ? ???????????. ? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? ? ??. ???? ?? ???????, ?? ??????? ?????? - ???? ????? ?? ????????? ?????(!) ???????????? ?? ??????????????? (? ????? ?????). ??? ??? ???? ?? "??????" ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ????????. ? ????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ????????????????? ????????????. ??? ????????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ? ???????? ???????, ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???????????. ? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? ????????. ??????????? - ??? ????? ?????? ?????. ???????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?? "????????" ? ?? ????????? ? ?????? ?? ???. ????? ??????????? - ?????? ????? ???????. VS> ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?????????: ? ???????? ???????? ????? VS> ?????????, ?????????? ?? ? ?????????? ???????? ? ???? VS> ?????????-?????-???? ?????????. ?? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? VS> ????????? ?????????? (????????) ??????????? ?????????. ??? ?????? ???? :-) ?????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????????? (?????????? ????????????? ? ?????) ????? ???? ?????? ?????. VS> ??? ????? ???????? ?? ?? 800?? ????????????, ??????????? ?????? VS> ???????? ?? 12? ?? ????? 3.3 ? 5? (-12 ? -5 - ???????????, ????? VS> ??? ?????? ????????????? ?? ????????), ??? ?????????? ? ??????? ?, VS> ????????? +/- ?????? ???????? - ?????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ?????, ?????? ????? ?? ?????. ???? ?? ?? TL494 - ?? ??? ?? ???? 79-82%, ?????? ??? ???????? ???????????, ? ????? ??????????. ???? ?????? ????? 90-98% ??? - ????? ????????? ? ????????????? ?? - ? ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???????????? ???? - ??????! ??? - ?????? ??? ???? 80% ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????. ?????? ??????: ? ??? ??????????????? ????????????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ????? - ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ??? 85%. ???????? - ?? ? ?????????? ??????????? ??????????????? ? ? ???????? ?????? ??????????? ??????????. ?????????? ???? ?????. 95-98% ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ???????? ?? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??? ???????????? ? ????? ???????????????? ?? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????? ???????????? ?? ????????. ?????? ??? ?? 20-30????? "????????" ??? ??????? ?? ??????. VS> 2 ?????? 2019, 12:43:22, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : VS> ?????? ! VS> Friday, August 2, 2019, 12:10:33 PM, Vladimir Sharun VS> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>> ????????? ?? ????? ????????? ?? - 130 ??? ????? (??? 15 ??? 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VS>>> 2 ?????? 2019, 09:10:26, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : VS>>> ?????? ! VS>>> Thursday, August 1, 2019, 10:29:51 PM, Vladimir Sharun VS>>> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>>>> ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? 120? ?? VS>>>> 12? - ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????????/??????????. VS>>>> ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??? +/- 5% ?? VS>>>> ????????????? ?? ?????? (???????? ?? 1? ? ?? 120?) ? ????? ??? VS>>>> ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????????. VS>>>> ???????? ????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? - ?? ? ????????. VS>>>> ????? ? ???? ???? ????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? VS>>>> ???????? ripple'?? ?? ?? ? ??, cross load ?? 3.3 ? 5?, VS>>>> (??)???????? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ???? (?? ????????? VS>>>> ??????),? ? ???? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ???? - ????? ????? ???? ???. VS>>> ? ???? ???? ????????? :) ???? ?? ???????? ? "?????????". VS>>> ?????? ?????: 120? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? (?????? VS>>> ????) ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? + ...) VS>>> http://www.tehencom.com/Categories/Electronic_Loads/Electronic_Loads.htm VS>>> ? ???????? (?? ??? ??????? ? ????? ??????) ???? ??? ?????????, ?? VS>>> ??????? ? ?????-?? ??????????, ?? ? ????????? ?????????-??????????. VS>>> ????? ??????? ??????? ?????, ? ????? (???? ????? ????) ??????? ????? VS>>> ??????? ????? ?????? ???-????. (??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???????? VS>>> ???????) VS>>> ????? FLUKE ?????? ?? ??????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????? ???? - ??? VS>>> ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????. VS>>> ??????? - ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? - ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? VS>>> ???? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????????... VS>>> ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???... VS>>> ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ? ? ?????-???????? ? VS>>> ???? ? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? VS>>> ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????, ? ???????? ????, ??? "????????? VS>>> ?????????" ?????? ?? ?????? ????. 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URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Fri Aug 2 15:26:06 2019 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:26:06 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <1564742919.504272000.m7s3bl66@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <184122075.20190802124202@euro.net.ua> <1564739065.64763000.ph3zy1ma@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <533402770.20190802133900@euro.net.ua> <1564742919.504272000.m7s3bl66@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1513267847.20190802152606@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Friday, August 2, 2019, 2:06:35 PM, Vladimir Sharun vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS> ????????? ??????????, ?? ??? ??? ????? "no one", who knows ? :-) ?????? ??? ?? ???? ???????, ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ?. ? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????????? ???????? :-) ??? ???, ??? ????????????? ????????? ???? ???? ? ???????????, ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ????????. ? ??????? ???? "??????????? ??????????" ? ???? ????????? ???????? ?????????. ??? ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ???? ? ??????? "?????????????? ???????????? ?????????". ?????? ???????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ????????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? 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VS> https://habr.com/ru/post/457952/ VS> ? ?????????????????, ????????, ? ????????? ????? ????? - ??? ????? VS> ??????????? ??????? ??? "?? ??????". ?? ??? ?????? ?? 14?? ??????? - VS> ?????? ? 20 ??? ????????. VS>> ?? ???????? ????????????????? ???????? ?????? ??, ??????? ???? ? ??????????. VS>> ?????????? ???????, ??? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ? ?? VS>> ????????????? Gold-Platinum-Titanium? - 130 ??? ????? ?? ?????.? VS>> ? ? ???? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ??, VS>> ??? ? ???? ?????????? ?? ????????. VS>> ?? ???????????? (??????!), ? ???????????. VS> ? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? ? ??. VS> ???? ?? ???????, ?? ??????? ?????? - ???? ????? ?? ????????? ?????(!) VS> ???????????? ?? ??????????????? (? ????? ?????). ??? ??? ???? ?? VS> "??????" ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ????????. VS> ? ????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ????????????????? ????????????. VS> ??? ????????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ? ???????? ???????, ??? 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VS>> Friday, August 2, 2019, 12:10:33 PM, Vladimir Sharun VS>> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>>> ????????? ?? ????? ????????? ?? - 130 ??? ????? (??? 15 ??? VS>>> ??????????? ??????) ??? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????????? (22-25? ? ?????????/???? ?????). VS>> 15 ??? ??? ????????????? ????????. VS>> ??? ??????????? ??????????? ???? ? 5 ??? ??? ???????? ? ?????????? VS>> ??????? (?????? ?????? - "????????????? ???????" ??? ?????? ????????). VS>> ??? ??? 15 ??? ??? ?? ??? ???????, ???? ?? ?? ????? 5-6 ??? VS>> ???????????. VS>> ??????????: VS>> https://ispytano.ru/-page_page_11459 VS>> https://www.hardwareluxx.ru/index.php/news/hardware/prozessoren/36262-software-nbti.html VS>> https://habr.com/ru/post/358342/ VS>>> ??? ?????????? ????????? ???????????????? ??????? ??????????, ??? VS>>> ?? - ??? ????? ??? ????? ??????????? ? ????????? ???????????? ?????????. VS>> ? SSD ???? ?? ???????. ?????? NAND ?????? (??????? ??????) ?????????? VS>> ? ??????? ?? 1000 ???????????. ??????? 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URL: From vc at vc.org.ua Fri Aug 2 17:03:55 2019 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Victor Cheburkin) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:03:55 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <1513267847.20190802152606@euro.net.ua> References: <1564687420.937948000.dpfissxa@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <223880146.20190802091021@euro.net.ua> <1564730243.48379000.u3xobru8@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1916625591.20190802114540@euro.net.ua> <1564736446.795956000.4lzy9vhl@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <184122075.20190802124202@euro.net.ua> <1564739065.64763000.ph3zy1ma@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <533402770.20190802133900@euro.net.ua> <1564742919.504272000.m7s3bl66@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1513267847.20190802152606@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <18AF712B-38D6-4AAE-A0A8-F3C95759C0D4@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 2 ???. 2019 ?., ? 15:26, Alexander V Soroka ???????(?): > > ???? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? - ??? ??????? ?????????? ??????????? ? > 20-25? ????????????? ???????? ?? 80 ??? 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VS>>>> ???????? ????... -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Aug 5 16:18:50 2019 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 16:18:50 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQsNCy0LDQudGC0LUg0L/RgNC+INC/0L7Qu9C40YI=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQutGDINC/0L7Qs9C+0LLQvtGA0LjQvCAo0Y3Qu9C10LrRgtGA0L7QvdC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LDRjyDQvdCw0LPRgNGD0LfQutCwINC40LfQsdGA0LDQvdC90YvRhSDQsdC7?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutC+0LIg0L/QuNGC0LDQvdC40Y8p?= In-Reply-To: <1565007560.148374000.okav42cy@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1565007560.148374000.okav42cy@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <586556023.20190805161850@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ? ??? ???????. ??? ??????????? - 5-6 ??? ?? ?????? "?????????? ??????". ? ????? ???? ?????, ?? ?????? "?????????? ??????". ????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ??????????????. ? ?? ????????? ?????????? - ????? ?????? ?????? ? ????.??????????. ? ???? ?? ????????????????? ? ????? - ?? ????? ??? 100000 ??????. 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VS>>>>>> Thursday, August 1, 2019, 10:29:51 PM, Vladimir Sharun VS>>>>>> vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS>>>>>>> ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? 120? ?? VS>>>>>>> 12? - ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????????/??????????. VS>>>>>>> ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??? +/- 5% ?? VS>>>>>>> ????????????? ?? ?????? (???????? ?? 1? ? ?? 120?) ? ????? ??? VS>>>>>>> ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ????????????. VS>>>>>>> ???????? ????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? - ?? ? ????????. VS>>>>>>> ????? ? ???? ???? ????. ???? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ? VS>>>>>>> ???????? ripple'?? ?? ?? ? ??, cross load ?? 3.3 ? 5?, VS>>>>>>> (??)???????? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ???? (?? ????????? VS>>>>>>> ??????),? ? ???? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ???? - ????? ????? ???? ???. VS>>>>>> ? ???? ???? ????????? :) ???? ?? ???????? ? "?????????". VS>>>>>> ?????? ?????: 120? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? (?????? VS>>>>>> ????) ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? + ...) VS>>>>>> http://www.tehencom.com/Categories/Electronic_Loads/Electronic_Loads.htm VS>>>>>> ? ???????? (?? ??? ??????? ? ????? ??????) ???? ??? ?????????, ?? VS>>>>>> ??????? ? ?????-?? ??????????, ?? ? ????????? ?????????-??????????. VS>>>>>> ????? ??????? ??????? ?????, ? ????? (???? ????? ????) ??????? ????? VS>>>>>> ??????? ????? ?????? ???-????. (??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???????? VS>>>>>> ???????) VS>>>>>> ????? FLUKE ?????? ?? ??????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????? ???? - ??? VS>>>>>> ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????. VS>>>>>> ??????? - ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? - ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? VS>>>>>> ???? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????????... VS>>>>>> ????????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???... VS>>>>>> ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ? ? ?????-???????? ? VS>>>>>> ???? ? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? VS>>>>>> ????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????, ? ???????? ????, ??? "????????? VS>>>>>> ?????????" ?????? ?? ?????? ????. 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