From lystor at gmail.com  Thu Dec  5 21:33:31 2019
From: lystor at gmail.com (Mykola Ulianytskyi)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:33:31 +0200
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https://www.unian.ua/society/10782674-sbu-vikrila-internet-provaydera-yakiy-nezakonno-retranslyuvav-telekanali-foto-video.html

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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 07:25:29 2019
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 07:25:29 +0200
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??, 5 ????. 2019 ? 21:34 Mykola Ulianytskyi <lystor at gmail.com> ????:

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>
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> ??????? ???????. ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????.
> ??????? ?????????? ?? 6 ????? ??????????.
>
>
> https://www.unian.ua/society/10782674-sbu-vikrila-internet-provaydera-yakiy-nezakonno-retranslyuvav-telekanali-foto-video.html
>
> --
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> Mykola
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From edigarov at qarea.com  Fri Dec  6 10:22:58 2019
From: edigarov at qarea.com (Gregory Edigarov)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 10:22:58 +0200
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??? ???? ?? ??? ???????????? ?????????? ???????.

? ??? ?????-?? ??? ????? ???


On 06.12.19 07:25, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> ??????? ????????????? ?.??!
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>
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> ?? ?????? ???????, ????? ????!
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>
>
> ??, 5 ????. 2019 ? 21:34 Mykola Ulianytskyi <lystor at gmail.com 
> <mailto:lystor at gmail.com>> ????:
>
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>
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>
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>     ??????? ???????. ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????.
>     ??????? ?????????? ?? 6 ????? ??????????.
>
>     https://www.unian.ua/society/10782674-sbu-vikrila-internet-provaydera-yakiy-nezakonno-retranslyuvav-telekanali-foto-video.html
>
>     --
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>     Mykola
>     _______________________________________________
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>
>
> -- 
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>
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From v.melnik at uplink.ua  Mon Dec  9 11:14:03 2019
From: v.melnik at uplink.ua (Vladimir Melnik)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:14:03 +0200
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???? ??????? ???? ? ????, ?? ??? ???????????? ?????????? ??????. :-/

On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 10:22:58AM +0200, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
> ?? ? ???????? ???? ???-?? ?????? ?????.
> ??? ???? ?? ??? ???????????? ?????????? ???????.
> 
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> 
> 
> On 06.12.19 07:25, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> >??????? ????????????? ?.??!
> >?????? ?????????? ???????????? ?? ??????!
> >
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> >? ????? ???????!
> >
> >
> >??, 5 ????. 2019 ? 21:34 Mykola Ulianytskyi <lystor at gmail.com
> ><mailto:lystor at gmail.com>> ????:
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >    ???????????, ??????????????? ?? ??. 176 ?? ??.361 ?????????????
> >    ??????? ???????. ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????.
> >    ??????? ?????????? ?? 6 ????? ??????????.
> >
> >    https://www.unian.ua/society/10782674-sbu-vikrila-internet-provaydera-yakiy-nezakonno-retranslyuvav-telekanali-foto-video.html
> >
> >    --
> >    Best regards,
> >    Mykola
> >    _______________________________________________
> >    uanog mailing list
> >    uanog at uanog.kiev.ua <mailto:uanog at uanog.kiev.ua>
> >    https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> >
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Regards,
> >/oleh hrynchuk
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >uanog mailing list
> >uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> >https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

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From doka at xlit.one  Mon Dec  9 11:38:42 2019
From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:38:42 +0200
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On 06.12.2019 07:25, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> ??????? ????????????? ?.??!
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>
> ??, ???'????, ?????? ???????????? ??????????, ?? ????? ????????????? 
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>
>
> ??, 5 ????. 2019 ? 21:34 Mykola Ulianytskyi <lystor at gmail.com 
> <mailto:lystor at gmail.com>> ????:
>
>     ? ?????-??????????? ??????? ????????-??????????, ???? ????????
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>     ??????? ???????. ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????.
>     ??????? ?????????? ?? 6 ????? ??????????.
>
>     https://www.unian.ua/society/10782674-sbu-vikrila-internet-provaydera-yakiy-nezakonno-retranslyuvav-telekanali-foto-video.html
>
>     --
>     Best regards,
>     Mykola
>     _______________________________________________
>     uanog mailing list
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
>
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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 12:56:07 2019
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:56:07 +0200
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> On 06.12.2019 07:25, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
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>> https://www.unian.ua/society/10782674-sbu-vikrila-internet-provaydera-yakiy-nezakonno-retranslyuvav-telekanali-foto-video.html
>>
>> --
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>> Mykola
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>
>
> --
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> /oleh hrynchuk
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
>

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From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka)
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>     On 06.12.2019 07:25, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
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>>
>>         --
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>>         Mykola
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>>
>>
>>     -- 
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>>
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>
>     -- 
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>        "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk

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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 14:08:07 2019
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
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??, 9 ????. 2019 ? 12:58 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at xlit.one> ????:

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>
> On 09.12.2019 12:56, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
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> ????:
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mykola
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> uanog mailing list
>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> /oleh hrynchuk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>
>>
>> --
>> Volodymyr Litovka
>>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>>
>>
>
> --
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
>
>
> --
> Volodymyr Litovka
>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
>

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?????? !

??????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ???.
??????????  ???????  ???????  ????????  :)  ?? ??????????? :) ?? ?????
????????.

Monday, December 9, 2019, 12:58:34 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at xlit.one you wrote:
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VL> ???? ???????? - ???? ???? ?????? (?????????) ????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????
VL> (?????????) ? ?? ? ??????????? ???????, ???????

VL> On 09.12.2019 12:56, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
>>
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>> <http://chtyvo.org.ua/authors/Ostrom_Elinor/Keruvannia_spilnym_Evoliutsiia_instytutsii_kolektyvnoi_dii/> 
>>
>> ??? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ????????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????? 
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>>
>>
>>
>> ??, 9 ????. 2019 ? 11:38 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at xlit.one> ????:
>>
>>     ?????.... ????????? ???????? ????????? ?, ??????????, ???? ?? ??
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>>
>>     On 06.12.2019 07:25, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
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>>>     ? ????? ???????!
>>>
>>>
>>>     ??, 5 ????. 2019 ? 21:34 Mykola Ulianytskyi <lystor at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:lystor at gmail.com>> ????:
>>>
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>>>         ?????????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????. ??? ??
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>>>
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>>>
>>>         https://www.unian.ua/society/10782674-sbu-vikrila-internet-provaydera-yakiy-nezakonno-retranslyuvav-telekanali-foto-video.html
>>>
>>>         --
>>>         Best regards,
>>>         Mykola
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>         uanog mailing list
>>>         uanog at uanog.kiev.ua <mailto:uanog at uanog.kiev.ua>
>>>         https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Regards,
>>>     /oleh hrynchuk
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
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>>>     uanog at uanog.kiev.ua  <mailto:uanog at uanog.kiev.ua>
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>>
>>     -- 
>>     Volodymyr Litovka
>>        "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> /oleh hrynchuk



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Best regards,
Alexander V Soroka       http://www.svr.ua/
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From doka at xlit.one  Thu Dec 12 09:49:30 2019
From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:49:30 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
Message-ID: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>

??????,

????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? 
"refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? 
- ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? 
????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?

?????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison

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From ichunikhin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 12 23:59:09 2019
From: ichunikhin at gmail.com (Igor Chunikhin)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 16:59:09 -0500
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
Message-ID: <CA+nhQXFmRc2BqMBFo2ZJrRHkBS3oa4E9+D9iM9qBQhK5PMUGBw@mail.gmail.com>

? ???? ? ???? ??????? ?? ???? refurbished items ?????? ????????. ???? ??
??????? - ? 2002 ????? ?????? ????? ? dell outlet, ???????, ?? ?? ?????? ?
??????? ?????????? ???????????.

? ?? ?? ???? ???????????, ???????? ???? ??? ???-?? ??????, ??? HDD.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 02:49 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at xlit.one> wrote:

> ??????,
>
> ????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ?????????
> "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? -
> ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? ?????
> ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?
>
> ?????.
>
> --
> Volodymyr Litovka
>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Fri Dec 13 17:53:37 2019
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:53:37 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
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??????,

? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??????????, ?.?. ??? ????? refubrished (? ??? ?????? ??????, ??? manufacturer) - ??????? ??????????.

??? ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????? ? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ($$$$$), ? ??? ??? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ???????. ????? ??? ????? ????????????????? ? ????????? ???????? - ??-????? ????? ?????. ???? ??? ???? ???????????, ?? ??????????? ??????? ??. ??????????? ????? 10 ??? ????? ?????? ???, ???? ?? ?????????? (?? 10?? ??????+??????? ? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????). ??????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? - ??? 10 ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????+?????? ?? ?????????? ???? ???, ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ????????. ??? ??????????? - ??????? ?? ???.

????????????, ??? ??? ?????? refubrished. ??, ??? ?? ????? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ??????? - ??? ?? ????? ???? ????????. ?? ? ??????????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????????, ??? ????? ??@????, ??? ????????. ???????? ??????? ?????? - ?? ??, ?? ?? ???????????? ? ???? ????? ???? ??????. ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? - ???? ????? ???????? ?????-????? ????????????, ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ? ????? ???? ??????.

???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??-?? ??????? ???? (? ???????? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ???????????????), ????? ?????? ?????????, ??????????? (???????????-???) ? ????????? ??? ??????????.

? ?? ?? ????.

12 ?????? 2019, 09:49:43, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at xlit.one>:

??????,

????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? - ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Tue Dec 17 11:05:11 2019
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:05:11 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <1576251680.404066000.y8uwdokf@frv34.fwdcdn.com>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <1576251680.404066000.y8uwdokf@frv34.fwdcdn.com>
Message-ID: <CA3A10B0-394D-449E-A9CA-035DB306799B@academ.kiev.ua>



> On 13 Dec 2019, at 17:53, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??????????, ?.?. ??? ????? refubrished (? ??? ?????? ??????, ??? manufacturer) - ??????? ??????????.
> 
> ??? ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????? ? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ($$$$$), ? ??? ??? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ???????. ????? ??? ????? ????????????????? ? ????????? ???????? - ??-????? ????? ?????. ???? ??? ???? ???????????, ?? ??????????? ??????? ??. ??????????? ????? 10 ??? ????? ?????? ???, ???? ?? ?????????? (?? 10?? ??????+??????? ? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????). ??????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? - ??? 10 ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????+?????? ?? ?????????? ???? ???, ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ????????. ??? ??????????? - ??????? ?? ???.

????? ?????-?? ???????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ?????? (HDD, ?? SSD). ?????????? ?? ??????????????? ?????? ? ??? ??????
???????. ???? ???????, ?? ????? ????? 40 000 ?????. ???? ????? ?????? ? ??? ???????. ?? ?????? ????? ?? ?????.

> 
> ????????????, ??? ??? ?????? refubrished. ??, ??? ?? ????? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ??????? - ??? ?? ????? ???? ????????. ?? ? ??????????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????????, ??? ????? ??@????, ??? ????????. ???????? ??????? ?????? - ?? ??, ?? ?? ???????????? ? ???? ????? ???? ??????. ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? - ???? ????? ???????? ?????-????? ????????????, ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ? ????? ???? ??????.
> 
> ???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??-?? ??????? ???? (? ???????? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ???????????????), ????? ?????? ?????????, ??????????? (???????????-???) ? ????????? ??? ??????????.
> 
> ? ?? ?? ????.
> 
> 12 ?????? 2019, 09:49:43, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at xlit.one>:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? - ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

--
Taras Heichenko
tasic at academ.kiev.ua






From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Tue Dec 17 11:56:20 2019
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:56:20 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <CA3A10B0-394D-449E-A9CA-035DB306799B@academ.kiev.ua>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <1576251680.404066000.y8uwdokf@frv34.fwdcdn.com>
 <CA3A10B0-394D-449E-A9CA-035DB306799B@academ.kiev.ua>
Message-ID: <1576576247.278987000.pgcwti8p@frv34.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

? ???? ?????????? ????? ??????, ????????????? ?? 7- 10 ???. ? 40? ????? - ??? 53 ??????, ????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? - 60.

????????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ?? ????? - ???????????, ???????????? ?????????????, ????????. ? ?????? mtbf - ? ?????? ??? ?????.

ps: ? ??????????? ?????? 2?? ?????, ????????????? 8 ??? ? ?? ????? ??????, ?????? ????? ???? ????.

17 ?????? 2019, 11:05:21, ??? "Taras Heichenko" < tasic at academ.kiev.ua >:

> On 13 Dec 2019, at 17:53, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??????????, ?.?. ??? ????? refubrished (? ??? ?????? ??????, ??? manufacturer) - ??????? ??????????.
> 
> ??? ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????? ? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ($$$$$), ? ??? ??? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ???????. ????? ??? ????? ????????????????? ? ????????? ???????? - ??-????? ????? ?????. ???? ??? ???? ???????????, ?? ??????????? ??????? ??. ??????????? ????? 10 ??? ????? ?????? ???, ???? ?? ?????????? (?? 10?? ??????+??????? ? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????). ??????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? - ??? 10 ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????+?????? ?? ?????????? ???? ???, ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ????????. ??? ??????????? - ??????? ?? ???.

????? ?????-?? ???????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ?????? (HDD, ?? SSD). ?????????? ?? ??????????????? ?????? ? ??? ??????
???????. ???? ???????, ?? ????? ????? 40 000 ?????. ???? ????? ?????? ? ??? ???????. ?? ?????? ????? ?? ?????.

> 
> ????????????, ??? ??? ?????? refubrished. ??, ??? ?? ????? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ??????? - ??? ?? ????? ???? ????????. ?? ? ??????????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????????, ??? ????? ??@????, ??? ????????. ???????? ??????? ?????? - ?? ??, ?? ?? ???????????? ? ???? ????? ???? ??????. ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? - ???? ????? ???????? ?????-????? ????????????, ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ? ????? ???? ??????.
> 
> ???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??-?? ??????? ???? (? ???????? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ???????????????), ????? ?????? ?????????, ??????????? (???????????-???) ? ????????? ??? ??????????.
> 
> ? ?? ?? ????.
> 
> 12 ?????? 2019, 09:49:43, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at xlit.one>:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? - ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Tue Dec 17 16:45:59 2019
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:45:59 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <CA3A10B0-394D-449E-A9CA-035DB306799B@academ.kiev.ua>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <1576251680.404066000.y8uwdokf@frv34.fwdcdn.com>
 <CA3A10B0-394D-449E-A9CA-035DB306799B@academ.kiev.ua>
Message-ID: <1576593159.44123000.hifdfu4k@frv34.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

??? ???????? ?? ?????????, 102 ?????? ? ?????? (73434 ????), ???? ???-?? ? ??? ?????? ????? ? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????:
# smartctl -a /dev/da2
smartctl 6.6 2017-11-05 r4594 [FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-17, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: ? ? Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000
Device Model: ? ? Hitachi HDS723020BLA642
Serial Number: ? ?MN1220F313NSXD
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 369cfc297
Firmware Version: MN6OA580
User Capacity: ? ?2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Size: ? ? ?512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate: ? ?7200 rpm
Form Factor: ? ? ?3.5 inches
Device is: ? ? ? ?In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ? ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is: ?SATA 2.6, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 1.5 Gb/s)
Local Time is: ? ?Tue Dec 17 15:53:11 2019 EET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED


?9 Power_On_Hours ? ? ? ? ?0x0012 ? 090 ? 090 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 73434
10 Spin_Retry_Count ? ? ? ?0x0013 ? 100 ? 100 ? 060 ? ?Pre-fail ?Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count ? ? ? 0x0032 ? 100 ? 100 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 13
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 ? 099 ? 099 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 1315
193 Load_Cycle_Count ? ? ? ?0x0012 ? 099 ? 099 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 1315
194 Temperature_Celsius ? ? 0x0002 ? 206 ? 206 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 29 (Min/Max 20/46)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 ? 100 ? 100 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector ?0x0022 ? 100 ? 100 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable ? 0x0008 ? 100 ? 100 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Offline ? ? ?- ? ? ? 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count ? ?0x000a ? 200 ? 200 ? 000 ? ?Old_age ? Always ? ? ? - ? ? ? 0

????? ???????????? ????? - ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????: ?????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????.

????? ? ?????? ?? ??????????? (???????? ?????? 25 ??? ???? 17) ? ???????? (?? ?????? ???? ??????). ? ???? ?????? (??????????????? ??????????) ???? ????? ???????????? SSD.

??? 40 ??? ????? - ??? ?????-?? ??????? ??????????? ???? ? ??????? ? ?? ???? ???????? ? ??? ?? ????????????. ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????????: ??? ???????, ??? ??????? ??????? ???????? 5 ??? ??? +35 - ??? ?? ? ????? ?????? ? ??????. ? ???????? ??????5 ???. ???? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????????.?

?? ? ???? ????? 12?? ???????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????. ????? ??? ????. ? ????? ? ???, ??? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ????????????? Seagate & Toshiba. ?????????? ???? ??????????, ?????? ???????? ??????/?????? ? ??????: SMART status FAILING NOW.

17 ?????? 2019, 11:05:21, ??? "Taras Heichenko" <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>:

> On 13 Dec 2019, at 17:53, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??? ??????????, ?.?. ??? ????? refubrished (? ??? ?????? ??????, ??? manufacturer) - ??????? ??????????.
> 
> ??? ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????? ? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ($$$$$), ? ??? ??? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ???????. ????? ??? ????? ????????????????? ? ????????? ???????? - ??-????? ????? ?????. ???? ??? ???? ???????????, ?? ??????????? ??????? ??. ??????????? ????? 10 ??? ????? ?????? ???, ???? ?? ?????????? (?? 10?? ??????+??????? ? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????). ??????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? - ??? 10 ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????+?????? ?? ?????????? ???? ???, ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ????????. ??? ??????????? - ??????? ?? ???.

????? ?????-?? ???????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ?????? (HDD, ?? SSD). ?????????? ?? ??????????????? ?????? ? ??? ??????
???????. ???? ???????, ?? ????? ????? 40 000 ?????. ???? ????? ?????? ? ??? ???????. ?? ?????? ????? ?? ?????.

> 
> ????????????, ??? ??? ?????? refubrished. ??, ??? ?? ????? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ??????? - ??? ?? ????? ???? ????????. ?? ? ??????????? ????? ??? ????????? ??????????, ??? ????? ??@????, ??? ????????. ???????? ??????? ?????? - ?? ??, ?? ?? ???????????? ? ???? ????? ???? ??????. ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? - ???? ????? ???????? ?????-????? ????????????, ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ? ????? ???? ??????.
> 
> ???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??-?? ??????? ???? (? ???????? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ???????????????), ????? ?????? ?????????, ??????????? (???????????-???) ? ????????? ??? ??????????.
> 
> ? ?? ?? ????.
> 
> 12 ?????? 2019, 09:49:43, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at xlit.one>:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? - ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?
> _______________________________________________
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From doka at xlit.one  Sun Dec 22 14:00:27 2019
From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 14:00:27 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
Message-ID: <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>

????? ?? ????????????, ???????? ?? ???? - ?? ????? ????????? ????? ????? 
?????????????? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???????, ??? - ????? :-)

???? ???????? ???? 2Tb (????????? ? RAID1, ?????????? ????????? ??????) 
?? ???? ?? 0.5-1Tb ??? ??????? ?????? (?????????? ????????????).

Seagate, WD, Toshiba? ???? ?????

?????.

On 12.12.2019 09:49, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? 
> "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, 
> ??????? - ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? 
> ??????????_ ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? 
> ??? ?????? ? refurbished?
>
> ?????.
>
> -- 
> Volodymyr Litovka
>    "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison

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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sun Dec 22 14:57:39 2019
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 14:57:39 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
Message-ID: <1577019136.127949000.l9rm8sz1@frv34.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

??????? ??????? ? ???? ????????. ????? ??????? ?? ???????????? (?????? ???????, ?????? ???????????, ????????), ???? ??????? ?? ???????????????? ?????? ?????? ??????.

??? 24/7 ???????????? ???? ????? NAS ?????. ?????????? ????? ? NAS ?????????? ?????????: ? ?????????, ? ????????? ? ??????. ????? ??? video surveillance - ??? ?????? ??? ??????, ???? ???? ?????? ?????, ?????? ????? ?? ????, ? ?????? - ?????????.

22 ?????? 2019, 14:01:28, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at xlit.one>:

????? ?? ????????????, ???????? ?? ???? - ?? ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?????????????? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???????, ??? - ????? :-)

???? ???????? ???? 2Tb (????????? ? RAID1, ?????????? ????????? ??????) ?? ???? ?? 0.5-1Tb ??? ??????? ?????? (?????????? ????????????).

Seagate, WD, Toshiba? ???? ?????

?????.

On 12.12.2019 09:49, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:

??????,

????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? - ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?

?????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison 
-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org  Sun Dec 22 22:06:46 2019
From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:06:46 -0800
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
Message-ID: <20191222200646.GA97917@rabbit.smph.nest.org>

hi,
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 02:00:27PM +0200, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
 
> ????? ?? ????????????, ???????? ?? ???? - ?? ????? ????????? ????? ????? 
> ?????????????? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???????, ??? - ????? :-)
 
???? ?? ???????????? ?? ???????, ?? HGST (Hitachi -> WD), Toshiba:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html

???? ???i HGST ??? ?? ?????? - ??? ????? ?i? ?????? WD :-(

> ???? ???????? ???? 2Tb (????????? ? RAID1, ?????????? ????????? ??????) 
> ?? ???? ?? 0.5-1Tb ??? ??????? ?????? (?????????? ????????????).
 
???? ????i?? ??? ?? mainstream ??? HDD. ??? ????? 4TB-8TB, ??? SSD.

--igor

From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Mon Dec 23 16:39:04 2019
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:39:04 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
Message-ID: <AAAAC2B7-ED36-468A-9629-9E2195FED90D@academ.kiev.ua>



> On 22 Dec 2019, at 14:00, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at xlit.one> wrote:
> 
> ????? ?? ????????????, ???????? ?? ???? - ?? ????? ????????? ????? ????? ?????????????? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???????, ??? - ????? :-)
> 
> ???? ???????? ???? 2Tb (????????? ? RAID1, ?????????? ????????? ??????) ?? ???? ?? 0.5-1Tb ??? ??????? ?????? (?????????? ????????????).
> 
> Seagate, WD, Toshiba? ???? ?????

? ? ???????????? WD RE ?????. ?? ? ??? ???? ???? RAID edition, ??????????? ?? ?? ????????, ? ?? ?????? 24/7.

> 
> ?????.
> 
> On 12.12.2019 09:49, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
>> ??????,
>> 
>> ????????? ? - ????? ?? hotline HDD ? ???? ??????? ? ????????? "refurbished". ?????????? ?? repaired by manufacturer, ??, ????, ??????? - ???????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ?? ?? ??????? _? ??????????_ ????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ?????? ? refurbished?
>> 
>> ?????.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Volodymyr Litovka
>>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Volodymyr Litovka
>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> 
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

--
Taras Heichenko
tasic at academ.kiev.ua






From basil at vpm.net.ua  Mon Dec 23 20:21:51 2019
From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 20:21:51 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <AAAAC2B7-ED36-468A-9629-9E2195FED90D@academ.kiev.ua>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
 <AAAAC2B7-ED36-468A-9629-9E2195FED90D@academ.kiev.ua>
Message-ID: <CAMPJU7AFu55vAgzO3pB0-QSwuAVHxCH2T_LOEsZHh1wVMaZ9nQ@mail.gmail.com>

> ? ? ???????????? WD RE ?????. ?? ? ??? ???? ???? RAID edition, ??????????? ?? ?? ????????, ? ?? ?????? 24/7.

? ? ?? ??????????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??? ????-????????????, ?
??????? ?????? ? ???????? ??????????: ? ??? SCT ? ???? ????????? ??? ?
???????.

https://habr.com/ru/post/92701/

From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Tue Dec 24 11:03:28 2019
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 11:03:28 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <CAMPJU7AFu55vAgzO3pB0-QSwuAVHxCH2T_LOEsZHh1wVMaZ9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
 <AAAAC2B7-ED36-468A-9629-9E2195FED90D@academ.kiev.ua>
 <CAMPJU7AFu55vAgzO3pB0-QSwuAVHxCH2T_LOEsZHh1wVMaZ9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4C4BB66-54A9-4819-9006-5AA18D5496DF@academ.kiev.ua>



> On 23 Dec 2019, at 20:21, VASYL MELNYK <basil at vpm.net.ua> wrote:
> 
>> ? ? ???????????? WD RE ?????. ?? ? ??? ???? ???? RAID edition, ??????????? ?? ?? ????????, ? ?? ?????? 24/7.
> 
> ? ? ?? ??????????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??? ????-????????????, ?
> ??????? ?????? ? ???????? ??????????: ? ??? SCT ? ???? ????????? ??? ?
> ???????.

? ???????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??? ???? ????? ??? RAID1?

> 
> https://habr.com/ru/post/92701/

--
Taras Heichenko
tasic at academ.kiev.ua






From stesin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 24 17:51:48 2019
From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:51:48 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <E4C4BB66-54A9-4819-9006-5AA18D5496DF@academ.kiev.ua>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
 <AAAAC2B7-ED36-468A-9629-9E2195FED90D@academ.kiev.ua>
 <CAMPJU7AFu55vAgzO3pB0-QSwuAVHxCH2T_LOEsZHh1wVMaZ9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E4C4BB66-54A9-4819-9006-5AA18D5496DF@academ.kiev.ua>
Message-ID: <CAGNmsFtY5o7fs_-Kf34Tw1shSEBsrF_0+HgpdQUsiFV9oOV3iw@mail.gmail.com>

??? RAID1 ???? ????? 2 ?????? ?????? ?????, ?????? ??????????????
??????. ???? ???? ????, ? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ?????????, ?
?????????? ??? ????.

?? ?? ???, ???? ????? 6 ????????? ? ??????? ? ZFS raidz2 (????? 8 ?????????)

?????? ?? 8 ???? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ??????? ??????????? ???? ??? ?????????.

???????? 2 hitachi, 2 samsung, 2 WD, 2 seagate

???????? ??? 8 ? raidz2. ????? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ???? ?????????.
????? ??? ????? ???. ????? ??? ????? ???.

????? ?????????? ???????, ??? ?????-?? 2 ???????? ????????????? ?
????? ?????????? ? ????????, ???????? ??? ???, ?????????? ?????? ?????
? ??????, ?? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? - ?????
?????????????? ?? ???????????, ???????? ??????. ?????? ????? ??? ?
???? ??? ?????, ??? ? ???????? ??????.

????? ??? ????????? ???????????. ????? ?????, ??? ??? 2 ????????
?????? ????????, ????? ????? ????? ???, ? ?????? ?? ??????.

??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????. ????????? ZFS

From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Tue Dec 24 18:22:23 2019
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:22:23 +0200
Subject: [uanog] refurbished hdd
In-Reply-To: <CAGNmsFtY5o7fs_-Kf34Tw1shSEBsrF_0+HgpdQUsiFV9oOV3iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f42ca715-cc0d-e6fc-2483-357a226dd255@xlit.one>
 <e2f4f135-9e34-9891-633e-cca1bcb276a9@xlit.one>
 <AAAAC2B7-ED36-468A-9629-9E2195FED90D@academ.kiev.ua>
 <CAMPJU7AFu55vAgzO3pB0-QSwuAVHxCH2T_LOEsZHh1wVMaZ9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <E4C4BB66-54A9-4819-9006-5AA18D5496DF@academ.kiev.ua>
 <CAGNmsFtY5o7fs_-Kf34Tw1shSEBsrF_0+HgpdQUsiFV9oOV3iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1577203855.657146000.5aooh8hr@frv34.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

Don't matter ??? ?????. ? ?????? ? ????????? ? ? ???????? - ?????????????. ?????????: ??? ??? ? ? ?????? ???????? ?????. ?? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????????. zfs-? ?????????, ? ? "??????????? ?????????" - ??? ???????.

???? (??? ? ???) - ????? ?????(10+ ??? ?????) ???????? ????????? ? ?????????. ?? ???????? ????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ???????????, ??? ? ??? ?????. ? SSD - ????????????? ??????????? wearout (?????? ????? ? ????????????) ? ?????? ??????? reserved space (??? ?? ??????????). ?.?. ??? ?? ????????? SMART "FAILING NOW", ????? ??? ????????? ??????????? ?? ???/?????? ? ?????????? ???????? ????/???.

PS: ????? ???? ??? ???? ???????? ? ? ?? ??????, ??? ???? ???? ????? ???+, ?? ????? ?????? ????????? ? ?? ?? ?????????/??_??????????? then ? :)

PPS: ?????? ????????????? ???????? ??? ?????? - ????? ??????, ????? - WD (HGST, ?????? ??? ????? WD). ????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????, WD - ?????????. ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ?????? ????????? 16?? ????????? ????.


24 ?????? 2019, 17:59:49, ??? "Stesin" <stesin at gmail.com>:

??? RAID1 ???? ????? 2 ?????? ?????? ?????, ?????? ??????????????
??????. ???? ???? ????, ? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ?????????, ?
?????????? ??? ????.

?? ?? ???, ???? ????? 6 ????????? ? ??????? ? ZFS raidz2 (????? 8 ?????????)

?????? ?? 8 ???? ????????? ?? ???????? ? ??????? ??????????? ???? ??? ?????????.

???????? 2 hitachi, 2 samsung, 2 WD, 2 seagate

???????? ??? 8 ? raidz2. ????? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ???? ?????????.
????? ??? ????? ???. ????? ??? ????? ???.

????? ?????????? ???????, ??? ?????-?? 2 ???????? ????????????? ?
????? ?????????? ? ????????, ???????? ??? ???, ?????????? ?????? ?????
? ??????, ?? ??????? ? ??? ?? ??. ?? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? - ?????
?????????????? ?? ???????????, ???????? ??????. ?????? ????? ??? ?
???? ??? ?????, ??? ? ???????? ??????.

????? ??? ????????? ???????????. ????? ?????, ??? ??? 2 ????????
?????? ????????, ????? ????? ????? ???, ? ?????? ?? ??????.

??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????. ????????? ZFS
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From doka at xlit.one  Fri Dec 27 12:30:12 2019
From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 12:30:12 +0200
Subject: [uanog] Fwd: Help EFF save .ORG
In-Reply-To: <20191226212347.A80E9966DD8@civismtp.uas.coop>
References: <20191226212347.A80E9966DD8@civismtp.uas.coop>
Message-ID: <589c19f6-7781-fdc9-a979-c611a3d20a99@xlit.one>


??????,

? ?? ??????? ????????????, ??? ? ??????

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Date: 	Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:29:40 -0800
From: 	Aaron Jue | Electronic Frontier Foundation <membership at eff.org>



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From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org  Sat Dec 28 06:18:32 2019
From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 20:18:32 -0800
Subject: [uanog] Fwd: Help EFF save .ORG
In-Reply-To: <589c19f6-7781-fdc9-a979-c611a3d20a99@xlit.one>
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hi,
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 12:30:12PM +0200, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
> 
> ??????,
> ? ?? ??????? ????????????, ??? ? ??????
 
https://drewdevault.com/2019/11/29/dotorg.html
https://savedotorg.org/
http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/

TLDR: 
- ICANN ?? ??????? PIR ????? ??????????? ?? ???? ??? ??? .ORG
- PIR ??????? .ORG ???????????? ??????? (Ethos Capital) ?? $1B+
- ??????????? Ethos Capital - ? ?????? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ICANN ? PIR; ??? ????????? ?????? ? ????????? ?????????

--igor

> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	Help EFF save .ORG
> Date: 	Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:29:40 -0800
> From: 	Aaron Jue | Electronic Frontier Foundation <membership at eff.org>
> 
> 
> 
> This is a friendly message from the Electronic Frontier Foundation. 
> <https://supporters.eff.org/civicrm/mailing/view?reset=1&id=9948>
> 
> Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) <https://eff.org/r.eu0p>
> 
> *Hi Supporter of Digital Freedom,*
> 
> The .ORG domain registry???home to groups around the world working for the 
> public good, many of which hold governments and corporations 
> accountable???is on the verge of being sold off to a newly-formed private 
> equity firm in a $1.1 billion deal.
> 
> We at EFF, with hundreds of other major organizations and over 18,000 
> individuals, have spoken out to oppose the .ORG registry???s sale to the 
> firm. Yet this is far from over. Will you donate to EFF this year and 
> help us fight back? <https://eff.org/r.2mbw>
> 
> <https://eff.org/r.2mbw>
> 
> The announcement came right after the registry was granted the authority 
> to make major changes to how .ORG is run without consulting the .ORG 
> community. With the new rules in place, the registry???s sale means danger 
> for the millions of individuals and organizations using a .ORG website, 
> subjecting them to real threats of censorship and increased fees. But we 
> won???t let this happen quietly.
> 
> As a member of EFF, you have funded expert technical evaluation, legal 
> analysis, and vocal advocacy to ensure threats to Internet rights don???t 
> go unanswered. *And right now, any donation made by December 31 will 
> help EFF receive special grants in our Year End Challenge 
> <https://eff.org/r.2mbw>???every supporter matters.*
> 
> You can amplify our collective power and send the message that the 
> nonprofit and NGO community is not for sale. Will you lend your support 
> to EFF today? <https://eff.org/r.2mbw>
> 
> For digital freedom,
> 
> Aaron Jue
> EFF Development Director
> 
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