From eduard at melnik.org.ua Mon Nov 4 16:47:48 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:47:48 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= Message-ID: ?????? ????! ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) * ?????????????????? * ????????????? ?????? * ????????????? ???? * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range * Inter-carrier connections & NNI * 1/10/100G * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) ???????????? ????????????? ???. ??????? ???????! ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. ?????? ??????? From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon Nov 4 17:01:47 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:01:47 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAg?= =?utf-8?q?2020?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?????? L2 ?????? Dark Fiber - ? ???????? ????? ? 2019-?. ???????? ? DF ???? ?? ???????? ????? DDOS, DF (??? ? L2) ????????? ??????? (?? ??? ????? ????????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????). ? DF ?????? - ??? ???????? ????? ? ????????? (?? ?????? ? ??????? ????, ?? ??? ??????? - ??), ? ? L2 - ??? ????? ???? ?????-?? "?????? ?? ???????" (?? DDOS ??? "????????, ? ??? ????????? ? ??????????? ? ??-?? ??????????? - ?????????"). ?? ? double fault ?? L2 - ??? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ???? ? Tier1. ? ???????????? ????????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????: ????? ?????-?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????-?? (??????? ????????????????) ? ???????? ??? ??????, ?????? ? ???? ??????. ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????????????. ????????? ? ??????? ? ???????????? - ?? ???? ? ?? ??, ?????. ?????? ??? ???? ????? L2 - ??? ????? ? ???????, ??. ? ??? ? L2 ????? ????????? ?????????. ? DF ?? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ?? ? L2 - ?????? ???????? ?? ????. ?.?. ???? ???-?? ???? ????? ????? ???????? endpoint'?? (??????? ?????? ????????) - ??? ???????. popcorn.gif 4 ????????? 2019, 16:48:01, ??? "Eduard M" : ?????? ????! ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) * ?????????????????? * ????????????? ?????? * ????????????? ???? * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range * Inter-carrier connections & NNI * 1/10/100G * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) ???????????? ????????????? ???. ??????? ???????! ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. ?????? ??????? _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eduard at melnik.org.ua Mon Nov 4 17:37:05 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:37:05 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> On 04/11/2019 16:01, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????, ?????? > > ?????? L2 ?????? Dark Fiber - ? ???????? ????? ? 2019-?. ??????????? ????. ????????? ???? ????? ???? ????? - GPON, DF, WIFI, 5G, DSL, COAX, etc ? ???? ????????????? ???? DF (????????? ??? ????? ???????) - ????????????. ????????? ???????????. ??????? L2 + ????????? ?????????? ????????? (???? ??????????? ??????). L3 ?????? ? ??????? ??????. ?? ?????? ????????????? DF ???????? > > ???????? ? DF ???? ?? ???????? ????? DDOS, DF (??? ? L2) ????????? > ??????? (?? ??? ????? ????????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??? > ???????). ? DF ?????? - ??? ???????? ????? ? ????????? (?? ?????? ? > ??????? ????, ?? ??? ??????? - ??), ? ? L2 - ??? ????? ???? ?????-?? > "?????? ?? ???????" (?? DDOS ??? "????????, ? ??? ????????? ? > ??????????? ? ??-?? ??????????? - ?????????"). ?? ? double fault ?? L2 > - ??? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ???? ? Tier1. > ??, ????????, ????? L2 + L2 (?????????????? ???????/?????????????? ????????) AMS-FF ???? ????? ????????????? ;) > ? ???????????? ????????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????: ????? ?????-?? > ??????? ?????? ??????? ????-?? (??????? ????????????????) ? ???????? > ??? ??????, ?????? ? ???? ??????. ? ?? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ?????? ;) ????????? ??????? ????-?? - ?? ????????. ?????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ;) ??????????? ??????????? NNI - ? ?? ?????? ????????. ?????(?) + ????? ???? ??????????? ??????? ? ?????? ??. ??? ??? ????. ????? ???? ???????? ???????? (?? ???????) ? ?????? L2 ????? (EVPN/VXLAN ??? ?????????? ?? VLAN range overlap?). L3 ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ????-?? ? ?????????? ???????. ??????? ??? ??? https://www.ripe.net/participate/forms/uploads/fobi_plugins/file/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/Scaleway-P14-fabric-NCC-Days-Kyiv_7aa43e89-cb42-44c5-81cc-911090a26b75.pdf https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG72/1555/20180219_Steenbergen_Virtualizing_The_Network_v1.pdf https://ripe68.ripe.net/presentations/170-ripe-68-evpn.pdf ? ????????? - ??. ? ??????? ? ?????????, ?????, ?? 2020 ??? ??? ???-?? ????????? ???????? ?? ????? (???? ?? ??? ??????????? ??????? Cisco, Juniper, Mikrotik, etc). ??????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? azure. > > ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????????????. ????????? ? ??????? ? ???????????? - > ?? ???? ? ?? ??, ?????. ?????? ??? ???? ????? L2 - ??? ????? ? > ???????, ??. > ??? ???, ??????, ? ?????. ??, ???? ???????????? ) ? ?????????? > ? ??? ? L2 ????? ????????? ?????????. ? DF ?? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ?? > ? L2 - ?????? ???????? ?? ????. ?.?. ???? ???-?? ???? ????? ????? > ???????? endpoint'?? (??????? ?????? ????????) - ??? ???????. ??, ??? ???? ?????? ??????. ?????. ????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ???????????? ?? ???????? ?????. ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????????. > > popcorn.gif > > /4 ????????? 2019, 16:48:01, ??? "Eduard M" >:/ > > ?????? ????! > > > ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, > software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... > > > ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? > > * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) > > * ?????????????????? > > * ????????????? ?????? > > * ????????????? ???? > > * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range > > * Inter-carrier connections & NNI > > * 1/10/100G > > * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? > > * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, > ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? > ?????? ? ?.?.) > > > ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: > > * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) > > * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI > + virtual edge > > * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) > > * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) > > * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? > > * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU > > * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) > > > ???????????? ????????????? ???. > > > ??????? ???????! > > ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. > > > ?????? ??????? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Nov 4 17:48:51 2019 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:48:51 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Chain BLACKLIST Message-ID: <287675796.20191104174851@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ?????? ??? ??? ???... :-( ??????? ??????? ???????? ?????? SMTP ? 25 ????. ???????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????: Chain BLACKLIST num target prot opt source destination 1 DROP all -- 18.184.58.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 2 DROP all -- 18.194.104.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 3 DROP all -- 23.254.230.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 4 DROP all -- 52.28.70.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 5 DROP all -- 52.29.21.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 6 DROP all -- 52.57.6.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 7 DROP all -- 52.57.177.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 8 DROP all -- 52.58.140.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 9 DROP all -- 52.58.143.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 10 DROP all -- 54.93.152.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 11 DROP all -- 54.93.225.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 12 DROP all -- 78.128.113.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 13 DROP all -- 92.118.38.37 0.0.0.0/0 14 DROP all -- 92.118.38.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 15 DROP all -- 45.82.153.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 16 DROP all -- 45.125.65.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 17 DROP all -- 45.125.66.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 18 DROP all -- 45.142.195.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 19 DROP all -- 46.38.144.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 20 DROP all -- 62.76.40.69 0.0.0.0/0 21 DROP all -- 141.98.10.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 22 DROP all -- 103.89.88.0/22 0.0.0.0/0 23 DROP all -- 103.253.42.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 24 DROP all -- 146.0.246.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 25 DROP all -- 185.36.81.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 26 DROP all -- 185.234.216.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 27 DROP all -- 185.234.217.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 28 DROP all -- 185.234.218.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 29 DROP all -- 193.32.160.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 ?????? ??????? ????????? ???? ? ???????? - ?? ?????? ????? ? ?????????? ???????? ???? ?? ???????. ??? ? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?????-?? ?????????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? ?????????? - ??? ???????? ? ????????? -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From abb at abbon.net Mon Nov 4 18:10:24 2019 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:10:24 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Chain BLACKLIST In-Reply-To: <287675796.20191104174851@euro.net.ua> References: <287675796.20191104174851@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ??????, ? ????? ? ???? ????????? ??????? - ?????? ???? ???????, ?????? ? ??? ?????. ???? ?? ???????????! 04.11.2019 17:48, Alexander V Soroka ?????: > ?????? ! > > ?????? ??? ??? ???... :-( > ??????? ??????? ???????? ?????? SMTP ? 25 ????. > > ???????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????: > Chain BLACKLIST > num target prot opt source destination > 1 DROP all -- 18.184.58.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 2 DROP all -- 18.194.104.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 3 DROP all -- 23.254.230.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 4 DROP all -- 52.28.70.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 5 DROP all -- 52.29.21.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 6 DROP all -- 52.57.6.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 7 DROP all -- 52.57.177.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 8 DROP all -- 52.58.140.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 9 DROP all -- 52.58.143.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 10 DROP all -- 54.93.152.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 11 DROP all -- 54.93.225.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 12 DROP all -- 78.128.113.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 13 DROP all -- 92.118.38.37 0.0.0.0/0 > 14 DROP all -- 92.118.38.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 15 DROP all -- 45.82.153.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 16 DROP all -- 45.125.65.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 17 DROP all -- 45.125.66.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 18 DROP all -- 45.142.195.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 19 DROP all -- 46.38.144.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 20 DROP all -- 62.76.40.69 0.0.0.0/0 > 21 DROP all -- 141.98.10.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 22 DROP all -- 103.89.88.0/22 0.0.0.0/0 > 23 DROP all -- 103.253.42.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 24 DROP all -- 146.0.246.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 25 DROP all -- 185.36.81.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 26 DROP all -- 185.234.216.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 27 DROP all -- 185.234.217.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 28 DROP all -- 185.234.218.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 29 DROP all -- 193.32.160.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > > > ?????? ??????? ????????? ???? ? ???????? - ?? ?????? ????? ? > ?????????? ???????? ???? ?? ???????. > > ??? ? ????? ???????? ? > ??????? ?????-?? ?????????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? > ?????????? - ??? ???????? ? ????????? > > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From doka at xlit.one Mon Nov 4 18:27:53 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:27:53 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> References: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: <7e20cee1-3bd0-9245-0e49-92200d92c8e7@xlit.one> ??? ?????????????????? Nx10/Nx100 - ?????????? ?? ??????????? Mellanox. ??? ????? ???????? (? ???????? ?? ??? ?????????? ??????), ???????????? ?? 512k routes (?? full view ?? ??????, ?? ???? ??????? ?? suboptimal ? ???????????? - ?? ????) ? ????? VXLAN/EVPN ?? ?????. ??? ????? ???????? ??? ????? ????????????? - MLNX OS ??? Cumulus Linux ? ?????? ?????????. ???? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????????????? - ?? MX5 ? ????????? ????????? (?? MX80). ??????????? ??????? ????? Cisco/Juniper ????? ?? ???????? ? ?????? ???????? ?? ???? ????????? ????? (??????? BGP RR), ??? ?????????? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, RR ????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ?? Bird, ???????? - ????????? ?? ???? CPU + 4 ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ??????, ? ?????? ?? ? ?????? RR ???????. ?????????? ?? ???? ??????? - ??? (?) ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ? (?) ? ?????? ??????? ??????????????????. ? ???????????? ?????? ??????????? 100G - ??? ??? ? ?? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????? ????????? ?? ????? ????????. ????? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? DF ? ????????????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? ???? ???????????? IPSec ?????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ???????????, ???, ????????, ???????????? Cisco DMVPN (Nx fullmesh ??? N - ?????????? ???????????? ???????????). ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????, ????? ???????????? Cisco ISR4400 series ? ?????? ????????? DF, ? ????? ISR4400 - IPSec tunnels over L2 VPN. ???? ?????? ? ???? ?? ??????? - ?? Mikrotik RB750Gr3 ???? ????? 450Mbps (? ??? ???????) AES-128 ??? ??????? ???????? 1400 ???? ? ??? ?????????? ?? $60 ??? ????????? ?????????. ??? ??????? ? ??? ???? ?????? ?????????????????? ???? ?????????, ?? 100Mbps, ??? ??? ??????????????, ????????? ??? ????? ?????????. ???? ???? ? ????? ???-?? ????????? - Mikrotik CCR, ?? ??? ?????-?? ???? ?????? ? IPSec offload, ???? ?? ??????? ????????. On 04.11.2019 17:37, Eduard M wrote: > On 04/11/2019 16:01, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ??????, > > > ?????? > > >> >> ?????? L2 ?????? Dark Fiber - ? ???????? ????? ? 2019-?. > > > ??????????? ????. ????????? ???? ????? ???? ????? - GPON, DF, WIFI, > 5G, DSL, COAX, etc > > ? ???? ????????????? ???? DF (????????? ??? ????? ???????) - > ????????????. ????????? ???????????. > > ??????? L2 + ????????? ?????????? ????????? (???? ??????????? ??????). > > L3 ?????? ? ??????? ??????. > > ?? ?????? ????????????? DF ???????? > > >> >> ???????? ? DF ???? ?? ???????? ????? DDOS, DF (??? ? L2) ????????? >> ??????? (?? ??? ????? ????????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??? >> ???????). ? DF ?????? - ??? ???????? ????? ? ????????? (?? ?????? ? >> ??????? ????, ?? ??? ??????? - ??), ? ? L2 - ??? ????? ???? ?????-?? >> "?????? ?? ???????" (?? DDOS ??? "????????, ? ??? ????????? ? >> ??????????? ? ??-?? ??????????? - ?????????"). ?? ? double fault ?? >> L2 - ??? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ???? ? Tier1. >> > > ??, ????????, ????? L2 + L2 (?????????????? ???????/?????????????? > ????????) AMS-FF > > ???? ????? ????????????? ;) > > >> ? ???????????? ????????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????: ????? ?????-?? >> ??????? ?????? ??????? ????-?? (??????? ????????????????) ? ???????? >> ??? ??????, ?????? ? ???? ??????. > > > ? ?? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ?????? ;) > > ????????? ??????? ????-?? - ?? ????????. ?????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ?? > ???? ???????? ??????? ;) > > ??????????? ??????????? NNI - ? ?? ?????? ????????. ?????(?) + ????? > ???? ??????????? ??????? ? ?????? ??. ??? ??? ????. > > ????? ???? ???????? ???????? (?? ???????) ? ?????? L2 ????? > (EVPN/VXLAN ??? ?????????? ?? VLAN range overlap?). L3 ?????? ????? > ???? ????????? ????-?? ? ?????????? ???????. > > > ??????? ??? ??? > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/forms/uploads/fobi_plugins/file/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/Scaleway-P14-fabric-NCC-Days-Kyiv_7aa43e89-cb42-44c5-81cc-911090a26b75.pdf > > https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG72/1555/20180219_Steenbergen_Virtualizing_The_Network_v1.pdf > > https://ripe68.ripe.net/presentations/170-ripe-68-evpn.pdf > > > ? ????????? - ??. ? ??????? ? ?????????, ?????, ?? 2020 ??? ??? ???-?? > ????????? ???????? ?? ????? (???? ?? ??? ??????????? ??????? Cisco, > Juniper, Mikrotik, etc). ??????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? azure. > > > >> >> ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????????????. ????????? ? ??????? ? ???????????? >> - ?? ???? ? ?? ??, ?????. ?????? ??? ???? ????? L2 - ??? ????? ? >> ???????, ??. >> > ??? ???, ??????, ? ?????. ??, ???? ???????????? ) > > ? ?????????? > > >> ? ??? ? L2 ????? ????????? ?????????. ? DF ?? ?? ????? ?????? ????, >> ?? ? L2 - ?????? ???????? ?? ????. ?.?. ???? ???-?? ???? ????? ????? >> ???????? endpoint'?? (??????? ?????? ????????) - ??? ???????. > > > ??, ??? ???? ?????? ??????. ?????. > > ????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ???????????? ?? ???????? > ?????. ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????????. > > >> >> popcorn.gif >> >> /4 ????????? 2019, 16:48:01, ??? "Eduard M" > >:/ >> >> ?????? ????! >> >> >> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, >> software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >> >> >> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >> >> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >> >> * ?????????????????? >> >> * ????????????? ?????? >> >> * ????????????? ???? >> >> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >> >> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >> >> * 1/10/100G >> >> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >> >> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, >> ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? >> ?????? ? ?.?.) >> >> >> ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: >> >> * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) >> >> * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI >> + virtual edge >> >> * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) >> >> * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) >> >> * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? >> >> * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU >> >> * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >> >> >> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >> >> >> ??????? ???????! >> >> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >> >> >> ?????? ??????? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at xlit.one Mon Nov 4 18:32:17 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:32:17 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Chain BLACKLIST In-Reply-To: <287675796.20191104174851@euro.net.ua> References: <287675796.20191104174851@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <8993b218-a529-0320-b57f-32107dcc4ac3@xlit.one> ?????? ????????? ?? ??????????? - ???? ???????? ???????? ?????????. ????? ??????????? ????????? ???? ????????? ? MTA ?? ????, ???????????? SYNPROXY - https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/mitigate-tcp-syn-flood-attacks-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7-beta - ????? Exim/Sendmail ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ? ???????? ?? ??????? ??????????? ????????. On 04.11.2019 17:48, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > ?????? ??? ??? ???... :-( > ??????? ??????? ???????? ?????? SMTP ? 25 ????. > > ???????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????: > Chain BLACKLIST > num target prot opt source destination > 1 DROP all -- 18.184.58.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 2 DROP all -- 18.194.104.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 3 DROP all -- 23.254.230.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 4 DROP all -- 52.28.70.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 5 DROP all -- 52.29.21.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 6 DROP all -- 52.57.6.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 7 DROP all -- 52.57.177.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 8 DROP all -- 52.58.140.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 9 DROP all -- 52.58.143.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 10 DROP all -- 54.93.152.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 11 DROP all -- 54.93.225.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 12 DROP all -- 78.128.113.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 13 DROP all -- 92.118.38.37 0.0.0.0/0 > 14 DROP all -- 92.118.38.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 15 DROP all -- 45.82.153.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 16 DROP all -- 45.125.65.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 17 DROP all -- 45.125.66.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 18 DROP all -- 45.142.195.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 19 DROP all -- 46.38.144.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 20 DROP all -- 62.76.40.69 0.0.0.0/0 > 21 DROP all -- 141.98.10.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 22 DROP all -- 103.89.88.0/22 0.0.0.0/0 > 23 DROP all -- 103.253.42.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 24 DROP all -- 146.0.246.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 25 DROP all -- 185.36.81.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 26 DROP all -- 185.234.216.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 27 DROP all -- 185.234.217.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 28 DROP all -- 185.234.218.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 29 DROP all -- 193.32.160.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > > > ?????? ??????? ????????? ???? ? ???????? - ?? ?????? ????? ? > ?????????? ???????? ???? ?? ???????. > > ??? ? ????? ???????? ? > ??????? ?????-?? ?????????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? > ?????????? - ??? ???????? ? ????????? > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Mon Nov 4 21:46:01 2019 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tuyluk) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:46:01 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86837855-4900-4616-9AA3-C8AACB058D82@tulyuk.com> ? "EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? - ?????? ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????? > On 4 Nov 2019, at 15:47, Eduard M wrote: > > ?????? ????! > > > ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... > > > ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? > > * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) > > * ?????????????????? > > * ????????????? ?????? > > * ????????????? ???? > > * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range > > * Inter-carrier connections & NNI > > * 1/10/100G > > * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? > > * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) > > > ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: > > * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) > > * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge > > * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) > > * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) > > * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? > > * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU > > * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) > > > ???????????? ????????????? ???. > > > ??????? ???????! > > ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. > > > ?????? ??????? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From eduard at melnik.org.ua Mon Nov 4 21:54:52 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:54:52 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <86837855-4900-4616-9AA3-C8AACB058D82@tulyuk.com> References: <86837855-4900-4616-9AA3-C8AACB058D82@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: <05fc6fa0-9131-5955-09b8-6c31ea924a81@melnik.org.ua> ?????? ????? ???. ???? ???????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ?????? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? ????????? (?????? ?????). ??? ? ????? "????????? ?????"? ?????, ???, ?????????? ?????? On 04/11/2019 20:46, Maksym Tuyluk wrote: > ? "EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? - ?????? ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? > > ?????? > >> On 4 Nov 2019, at 15:47, Eduard M wrote: >> >> ?????? ????! >> >> >> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >> >> >> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >> >> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >> >> * ?????????????????? >> >> * ????????????? ?????? >> >> * ????????????? ???? >> >> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >> >> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >> >> * 1/10/100G >> >> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >> >> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) >> >> >> ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: >> >> * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) >> >> * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge >> >> * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) >> >> * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) >> >> * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? >> >> * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU >> >> * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >> >> >> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >> >> >> ??????? ???????! >> >> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >> >> >> ?????? ??????? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Mon Nov 4 23:11:47 2019 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 23:11:47 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> References: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: ??????, ??? ??????? ? ???????? ????????????? ?????? ??????????? DWDM lambda. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ???? ????? ?????, ? ??????????? ?? ??????. ??? ??? ? ????. 04.11.19 17:37, Eduard M ????: > On 04/11/2019 16:01, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ??????, > > > ?????? > > >> >> ?????? L2 ?????? Dark Fiber - ? ???????? ????? ? 2019-?. > > > ??????????? ????. ????????? ???? ????? ???? ????? - GPON, DF, WIFI, 5G, > DSL, COAX, etc > > ? ???? ????????????? ???? DF (????????? ??? ????? ???????) - > ????????????. ????????? ???????????. > > ??????? L2 + ????????? ?????????? ????????? (???? ??????????? ??????). > > L3 ?????? ? ??????? ??????. > > ?? ?????? ????????????? DF ???????? > > >> >> ???????? ? DF ???? ?? ???????? ????? DDOS, DF (??? ? L2) ????????? >> ??????? (?? ??? ????? ????????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??? >> ???????). ? DF ?????? - ??? ???????? ????? ? ????????? (?? ?????? ? >> ??????? ????, ?? ??? ??????? - ??), ? ? L2 - ??? ????? ???? ?????-?? >> "?????? ?? ???????" (?? DDOS ??? "????????, ? ??? ????????? ? >> ??????????? ? ??-?? ??????????? - ?????????"). ?? ? double fault ?? L2 >> - ??? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ???? ? Tier1. >> > > ??, ????????, ????? L2 + L2 (?????????????? ???????/?????????????? > ????????) AMS-FF > > ???? ????? ????????????? ;) > > >> ? ???????????? ????????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????: ????? ?????-?? >> ??????? ?????? ??????? ????-?? (??????? ????????????????) ? ???????? >> ??? ??????, ?????? ? ???? ??????. > > > ? ?? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ?????? ;) > > ????????? ??????? ????-?? - ?? ????????. ?????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ?? > ???? ???????? ??????? ;) > > ??????????? ??????????? NNI - ? ?? ?????? ????????. ?????(?) + ????? > ???? ??????????? ??????? ? ?????? ??. ??? ??? ????. > > ????? ???? ???????? ???????? (?? ???????) ? ?????? L2 ????? (EVPN/VXLAN > ??? ?????????? ?? VLAN range overlap?). L3 ?????? ????? ???? ????????? > ????-?? ? ?????????? ???????. > > > ??????? ??? ??? > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/forms/uploads/fobi_plugins/file/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/Scaleway-P14-fabric-NCC-Days-Kyiv_7aa43e89-cb42-44c5-81cc-911090a26b75.pdf > > https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG72/1555/20180219_Steenbergen_Virtualizing_The_Network_v1.pdf > > https://ripe68.ripe.net/presentations/170-ripe-68-evpn.pdf > > > ? ????????? - ??. ? ??????? ? ?????????, ?????, ?? 2020 ??? ??? ???-?? > ????????? ???????? ?? ????? (???? ?? ??? ??????????? ??????? Cisco, > Juniper, Mikrotik, etc). ??????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? azure. > > > >> >> ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????????????. ????????? ? ??????? ? ???????????? - >> ?? ???? ? ?? ??, ?????. ?????? ??? ???? ????? L2 - ??? ????? ? >> ???????, ??. >> > ??? ???, ??????, ? ?????. ??, ???? ???????????? ) > > ? ?????????? > > >> ? ??? ? L2 ????? ????????? ?????????. ? DF ?? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ?? >> ? L2 - ?????? ???????? ?? ????. ?.?. ???? ???-?? ???? ????? ????? >> ???????? endpoint'?? (??????? ?????? ????????) - ??? ???????. > > > ??, ??? ???? ?????? ??????. ?????. > > ????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ???????????? ?? ???????? > ?????. ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????????. > > >> >> popcorn.gif >> >> /4 ????????? 2019, 16:48:01, ??? "Eduard M" > >:/ >> >> ?????? ????! >> >> >> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, >> software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >> >> >> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >> >> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >> >> * ?????????????????? >> >> * ????????????? ?????? >> >> * ????????????? ???? >> >> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >> >> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >> >> * 1/10/100G >> >> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >> >> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, >> ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? >> ?????? ? ?.?.) >> >> >> ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: >> >> * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) >> >> * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI >> + virtual edge >> >> * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) >> >> * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) >> >> * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? >> >> * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU >> >> * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >> >> >> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >> >> >> ??????? ???????! >> >> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >> >> >> ?????? ??????? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Mon Nov 4 23:13:33 2019 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 23:13:33 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Chain BLACKLIST In-Reply-To: <287675796.20191104174851@euro.net.ua> References: <287675796.20191104174851@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ??????! FAIL2BAN ??? ?????? ? ????????. ? ??, ? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?????????. man ipset. fail2ban ?????. 04.11.19 17:48, Alexander V Soroka ????: > ?????? ! > > ?????? ??? ??? ???... :-( > ??????? ??????? ???????? ?????? SMTP ? 25 ????. > > ???????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????: > Chain BLACKLIST > num target prot opt source destination > 1 DROP all -- 18.184.58.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 2 DROP all -- 18.194.104.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 3 DROP all -- 23.254.230.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 4 DROP all -- 52.28.70.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 5 DROP all -- 52.29.21.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 6 DROP all -- 52.57.6.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 7 DROP all -- 52.57.177.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 8 DROP all -- 52.58.140.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 9 DROP all -- 52.58.143.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 10 DROP all -- 54.93.152.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 11 DROP all -- 54.93.225.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 12 DROP all -- 78.128.113.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 13 DROP all -- 92.118.38.37 0.0.0.0/0 > 14 DROP all -- 92.118.38.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 15 DROP all -- 45.82.153.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 16 DROP all -- 45.125.65.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 17 DROP all -- 45.125.66.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 18 DROP all -- 45.142.195.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 19 DROP all -- 46.38.144.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 20 DROP all -- 62.76.40.69 0.0.0.0/0 > 21 DROP all -- 141.98.10.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 22 DROP all -- 103.89.88.0/22 0.0.0.0/0 > 23 DROP all -- 103.253.42.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 24 DROP all -- 146.0.246.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 25 DROP all -- 185.36.81.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 26 DROP all -- 185.234.216.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 27 DROP all -- 185.234.217.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 28 DROP all -- 185.234.218.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > 29 DROP all -- 193.32.160.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 > > > ?????? ??????? ????????? ???? ? ???????? - ?? ?????? ????? ? > ?????????? ???????? ???? ?? ???????. > > ??? ? ????? ???????? ? > ??????? ?????-?? ?????????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? > ?????????? - ??? ???????? ? ????????? > > From eduard at melnik.org.ua Tue Nov 5 10:19:51 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:19:51 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93576F90-15FF-4FE8-954B-56F2E74FD60E@melnik.org.ua> ?????? ? ???? ???????. ???????! ????. ??? ? ?? ??? ???????. VXLAN ????? ?? ??? ??????????. Mellanox - ??????. ????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ??????????????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ?????? ?? ??? (? ???) ??????? bgp ?????. ????, SDN ?????. Mellanox ?????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??? ?????????????????? ?.?., ???? ????? ? ?? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ? ???? (??????), ????????? (??????? ??????????). ?? ??? ?? ????? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ????? ??????????. ?? ? ?????? ???????????? ???????? ????? ??????. ?? ?????? ????????? ????? ???. ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? :) Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Nov 2019, at 22:07, Max Tulyev wrote: > > ???????, > > ??? ??????? ? ???????? ????????????? ?????? ??????????? DWDM lambda. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ???? ????? ?????, ? ??????????? ?? ??????. ??? ??? ? ????. > > 04.11.19 17:37, Eduard M ????: >>> On 04/11/2019 16:01, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >>> ??????, >> ?????? >>> >>> ?????? L2 ?????? Dark Fiber - ? ???????? ????? ? 2019-?. >> ??????????? ????. ????????? ???? ????? ???? ????? - GPON, DF, WIFI, 5G, DSL, COAX, etc >> ? ???? ????????????? ???? DF (????????? ??? ????? ???????) - ????????????. ????????? ???????????. >> ??????? L2 + ????????? ?????????? ????????? (???? ??????????? ??????). >> L3 ?????? ? ??????? ??????. >> ?? ?????? ????????????? DF ???????? >>> >>> ???????? ? DF ???? ?? ???????? ????? DDOS, DF (??? ? L2) ????????? ??????? (?? ??? ????? ????????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????). ? DF ?????? - ??? ???????? ????? ? ????????? (?? ?????? ? ??????? ????, ?? ??? ??????? - ??), ? ? L2 - ??? ????? ???? ?????-?? "?????? ?? ???????" (?? DDOS ??? "????????, ? ??? ????????? ? ??????????? ? ??-?? ??????????? - ?????????"). ?? ? double fault ?? L2 - ??? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ???? ? Tier1. >>> >> ??, ????????, ????? L2 + L2 (?????????????? ???????/?????????????? ????????) AMS-FF >> ???? ????? ????????????? ;) >>> ? ???????????? ????????? ????? ???? ??????? ????????: ????? ?????-?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????-?? (??????? ????????????????) ? ???????? ??? ??????, ?????? ? ???? ??????. >> ? ?? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ?????? ;) >> ????????? ??????? ????-?? - ?? ????????. ?????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ;) >> ??????????? ??????????? NNI - ? ?? ?????? ????????. ?????(?) + ????? ???? ??????????? ??????? ? ?????? ??. ??? ??? ????. >> ????? ???? ???????? ???????? (?? ???????) ? ?????? L2 ????? (EVPN/VXLAN ??? ?????????? ?? VLAN range overlap?). L3 ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ????-?? ? ?????????? ???????. >> ??????? ??? ??? >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/forms/uploads/fobi_plugins/file/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/Scaleway-P14-fabric-NCC-Days-Kyiv_7aa43e89-cb42-44c5-81cc-911090a26b75.pdf >> https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG72/1555/20180219_Steenbergen_Virtualizing_The_Network_v1.pdf >> https://ripe68.ripe.net/presentations/170-ripe-68-evpn.pdf >> ? ????????? - ??. ? ??????? ? ?????????, ?????, ?? 2020 ??? ??? ???-?? ????????? ???????? ?? ????? (???? ?? ??? ??????????? ??????? Cisco, Juniper, Mikrotik, etc). ??????????? ??????? ???????? ?? ??????? ? azure. >>> >>> ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????????????. ????????? ? ??????? ? ???????????? - ?? ???? ? ?? ??, ?????. ?????? ??? ???? ????? L2 - ??? ????? ? ???????, ??. >>> >> ??? ???, ??????, ? ?????. ??, ???? ???????????? ) >> ? ?????????? >>> ? ??? ? L2 ????? ????????? ?????????. ? DF ?? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ?? ? L2 - ?????? ???????? ?? ????. ?.?. ???? ???-?? ???? ????? ????? ???????? endpoint'?? (??????? ?????? ????????) - ??? ???????. >> ??, ??? ???? ?????? ??????. ?????. >> ????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ???????????? ?? ???????? ?????. ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????????. >>> >>> popcorn.gif >>> >>> /4 ????????? 2019, 16:48:01, ??? "Eduard M" >:/ >>> >>> ?????? ????! >>> >>> >>> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, >>> software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >>> >>> >>> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >>> >>> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >>> >>> * ?????????????????? >>> >>> * ????????????? ?????? >>> >>> * ????????????? ???? >>> >>> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >>> >>> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >>> >>> * 1/10/100G >>> >>> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >>> >>> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? 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(?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >>> >>> >>> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >>> >>> >>> ??????? ???????! >>> >>> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >>> >>> >>> ?????? ??????? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From doka at xlit.one Tue Nov 5 10:22:42 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:22:42 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <93576F90-15FF-4FE8-954B-56F2E74FD60E@melnik.org.ua> References: <93576F90-15FF-4FE8-954B-56F2E74FD60E@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: <3f663675-081f-f489-84da-95e1963815ec@xlit.one> On 05.11.2019 10:19, Eduard M wrote: > ????, SDN ?????. ???? ????????? ???? ?????? :-D ? ??? ?????????? ???????-??? -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eduard at melnik.org.ua Wed Nov 6 01:19:27 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:19:27 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <3f663675-081f-f489-84da-95e1963815ec@xlit.one> References: <93576F90-15FF-4FE8-954B-56F2E74FD60E@melnik.org.ua> <3f663675-081f-f489-84da-95e1963815ec@xlit.one> Message-ID: On 05/11/2019 09:22, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > On 05.11.2019 10:19, Eduard M wrote: > >> ????, SDN ?????. > > ???? ????????? ???? ?????? :-D > > ? ??? ?????????? ???????-??? ???????? ??????. ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? ;) ? ??? ??????? ? ????? ????????? https://www.opendaylight.org/use-cases-and-users/by-function ? https://onosproject.org/use-cases/ ?????????? ) > > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Wed Nov 6 14:42:14 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 14:42:14 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= Message-ID: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ???? ??????, ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: operators -[switch]-route_server ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. ???????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abb at abbon.net Wed Nov 6 15:02:58 2019 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:02:58 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > ???? ??????, > > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? > ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? > ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? > ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > > operators -[switch]-route_server > > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. > > ???????. > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From doka at xlit.one Wed Nov 6 15:08:09 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:08:09 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: /29 ? ??????? ??????????, PC/Bird ??? BGP ? ????????? next-hop ?? ??????? ????? :) On 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ???? ??????, > > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. > full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? > ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? > ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? > ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? ? ??-? > Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? > ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > > operators -[switch]-route_server > > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - > ????????? ???????? ???????. > > ???????. > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Wed Nov 6 17:55:41 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 17:55:41 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: References: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ???????. ? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ?? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??? bird - ??? ???-?? ?? continuity ?????? ?????? ?? named ????????, ?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ????????? ? 6 ????????? 2019, 15:03:09, ??? "Alexandr Baryshnyev" : ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > ???? ??????, > > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? > ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? > ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? > ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > > operators -[switch]-route_server > > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. > > ???????. > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eduard at melnik.org.ua Wed Nov 6 18:20:42 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:20:42 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: ?????? ????????, juniper mx5 ? ????. ???????? ? ????? ???? ???? ????????? ??? ??? ?????????? mikrotik ccr ??????. ?? ???? ??????? ????? ?????????? ?? 3? fullview ? ?????? ???????, ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? pi+as. /29 ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????????? ?????? (????, ????? ??? ? ?? ???????? ?????). Bird ??? ??????????. Quagga (??? ???? ?????) ????????? ? ???????. ???? ??????? - ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? ? ????? ????? ??????) ???? RR (??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? next hop). ? ???? ?? bgp ? ????????? :) ???? ??? - ?????? ? ???? ???????? ???? nat ???? vrrp. ?? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????. Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Nov 2019, at 16:55, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ? > ??????, > > ???????. > > ? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ?? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??? bird - ??? ???-?? ?? continuity ?????? ?????? ?? named ????????, ?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ????????? ? > > 6 ????????? 2019, 15:03:09, ??? "Alexandr Baryshnyev" : > > ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. > ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. > > 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > > ???? ??????, > > > > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > > > > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? > > ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? > > ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > > > > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ????? > > ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > > > > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > > > > operators -[switch]-route_server > > > > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. > > > > ???????. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > -- > Best regards, > Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Wed Nov 6 19:13:07 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 19:13:07 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <7853A5D9-E7A5-40D0-A7FE-E028D48E97ED@melnyk.lu> References: <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <7853A5D9-E7A5-40D0-A7FE-E028D48E97ED@melnyk.lu> Message-ID: <1573060230.952935000.22jmh0i1@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, AS - ???????????, ?? ?? ??? ?????? ? /24 ???? ????. ???? ? ?????, ??? ???? ????? ??????, ??????? ??????? ?? ?????, ? ??????? ????? ???????? ????????/????????? full view ?????? ?? ??????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ??? ????????? ? ??????? ? ??????????????. ???? ? ????? ????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????. ?????? ??? ??? ?????.? 6 ????????? 2019, 18:19:21, ??? "Eduard M" : ?????? ????????, juniper mx5 ? ????. ???????? ? ????? ???? ???? ????????? ??? ??? ?????????? mikrotik ccr ??????. ?? ???? ??????? ????? ?????????? ?? 3? fullview ? ?????? ???????, ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? pi+as. /29 ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????????? ?????? (????, ????? ??? ? ?? ???????? ?????). Bird ??? ??????????. Quagga (??? ???? ?????) ????????? ? ???????. ???? ??????? - ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? ? ????? ????? ??????) ???? RR (??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? next hop). ? ???? ?? bgp ? ????????? :) ???? ??? - ?????? ? ???? ???????? ???? nat ???? vrrp. ?? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Nov 2019, at 16:55, Vladimir Sharun wrote: ??????, ???????. ? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ?? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??? bird - ??? ???-?? ?? continuity ?????? ?????? ?? named ????????, ?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ????????? ? 6 ????????? 2019, 15:03:09, ??? "Alexandr Baryshnyev" : ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > ???? ??????, > > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? > ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? > ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? > ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > > operators -[switch]-route_server > > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. > > ???????. > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abb at abbon.net Wed Nov 6 19:14:09 2019 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:14:09 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <852bea65-7c0d-184e-01bd-29711ef50eee@abbon.net> Bird ??? ??? ?? ????? "???????? ? ?????", ??? ????? ?????? ????????, ???? ?? ???????. ? ???????????? ??? ??????, ???????? ? ??? :) ? ??????-?? - ??, ?????? ?????????????? ???????. ???? ???? AS ? ???? ???? PI ipv4? ???? ???? - ????? ?????? ?????? ?????. ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ??????? ?????????, 100????/?, 1????/?, 10????/?? ???????. ????? ?? ??????. ???? ???? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ????????, ?? ????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ???. ? ???? ?????? ????, ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ? ??????: 50 ????? ??????? ???????????, ????????? ????? ? ???. 06.11.2019 17:55, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > ??????, > > ???????. > > ? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ?? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??? bird - ??? ???-?? ?? continuity ?????? ?????? ?? > named ????????, ?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ????????? ? > > /6 ????????? 2019, 15:03:09, ??? "Alexandr Baryshnyev" >:/ > > ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. > ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. > > 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > > ???? ??????, > > > > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > > > > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? > > ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? > > ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > > > > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? > > ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > > > > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > > > > operators -[switch]-route_server > > > > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. > > > > ???????. -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From eduard at melnik.org.ua Wed Nov 6 20:27:29 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:27:29 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <1573060230.952935000.22jmh0i1@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <7853A5D9-E7A5-40D0-A7FE-E028D48E97ED@melnyk.lu> <1573060230.952935000.22jmh0i1@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <551e26bf-2d8b-e1bf-4896-6a45fc07b05b@melnik.org.ua> On 06/11/2019 18:13, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????, > > AS - ???????????, ?? ?? ??? ?????? ? /24 ???? ????. > AS ???????. > ???? ? ?????, ??? ???? ????? ??????, ??????? ??????? ?? ?????, ? > ??????? ????? ???????? ????????/????????? full view ?????? ?? > ??????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ??? ????????? ? ??????? ? ??????????????. > ???? ? ????? ????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????. ?????? ??? ??? ?????. > ????? ? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ???????? ????? ??? ???????????? - ????????? full view ?????? ?? ????? ????????? ????? (??? ??????) ????????? ?? ???????????????? ??????????. ?.?., ?? ??????? (?? ?????, ? ?????? ???????? ??? ????? ??? RR), ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ? ???, ????? ?????? ?????????? ???? ????????? full view ? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???? ???????? (??? ???????, ?? ????????? ????????). ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????????? IP ... ????, ???? ???? ??? ?????????. ???? BGP ???????? (?? ????). > > /6 ????????? 2019, 18:19:21, ??? "Eduard M" >:/ > > ?????? > > ????????, juniper mx5 ? ????. > ???????? ? ????? > ???? ???? ????????? > > ??? ??? ?????????? mikrotik ccr ??????. ?? ???? ??????? ????? > ?????????? ?? 3? fullview > > ? ?????? ???????, ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? pi+as. /29 > ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????????? > ?????? (????, ????? ??? ? ?? ???????? ?????). > > Bird ??? ??????????. Quagga (??? ???? ?????) ????????? ? ???????. > ???? ??????? - ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? ? ????? ????? ??????) > ???? RR (??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? next hop). ? ???? ?? bgp ? > ????????? :) ???? ??? - ?????? ? ???? ???????? ???? nat ???? vrrp. > ?? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 16:55, Vladimir Sharun > > wrote: >> ??????, >> >> ???????. >> >> ? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ?? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ?????????? >> ??????? ??? bird - ??? ???-?? ?? continuity ?????? ?????? ?? >> named ????????, ?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ????????? ? >> >> /6 ????????? 2019, 15:03:09, ??? "Alexandr Baryshnyev" >> >:/ >> >> ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. >> ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. >> >> 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: >> > ???? ??????, >> > >> > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). >> > >> > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? >> > ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? >> > ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. >> > >> > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? >> > ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. >> > >> > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: >> > >> > operators -[switch]-route_server >> > >> > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. >> > >> > ???????. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > uanog mailing list >> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> > >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Alexandr B. 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URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Wed Nov 6 22:34:03 2019 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 21:34:03 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <05fc6fa0-9131-5955-09b8-6c31ea924a81@melnik.org.ua> References: <86837855-4900-4616-9AA3-C8AACB058D82@tulyuk.com> <05fc6fa0-9131-5955-09b8-6c31ea924a81@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: ??????? ??????????? VXLAN+EVPN ?? DC (data centre) environment. ?.?. ????????? ??? ???? WAN ???? ????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????? ?DC? ?? ??? ??????/?????????, ??? ????????? ???????????? DC ? ??????????????? ????? ????. ??????????????, ??? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? WAN ???? ????????? LAN ??????????. ?????? > On 4 Nov 2019, at 20:54, Eduard M wrote: > > > ?????? ????? > > > ???. ???? ???????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? > > ? ?????? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? ????????? (?????? ?????). > > > ??? ? ????? "????????? ?????"? ?????, ???, ?????????? > > > ?????? > > > On 04/11/2019 20:46, Maksym Tuyluk wrote: >> ? "EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? - ?????? ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? >> >> ?????? >> >>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 15:47, Eduard M wrote: >>> >>> ?????? ????! >>> >>> >>> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >>> >>> >>> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >>> >>> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >>> >>> * ?????????????????? >>> >>> * ????????????? ?????? >>> >>> * ????????????? ???? >>> >>> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >>> >>> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >>> >>> * 1/10/100G >>> >>> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >>> >>> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) >>> >>> >>> ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: >>> >>> * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) >>> >>> * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge >>> >>> * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) >>> >>> * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) >>> >>> * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? >>> >>> * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU >>> >>> * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >>> >>> >>> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >>> >>> >>> ??????? ???????! >>> >>> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >>> >>> >>> ?????? ??????? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From maksym at tulyuk.com Wed Nov 6 22:39:56 2019 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 21:39:56 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: References: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <91963253-698D-4213-905F-2DA2C0AB1395@tulyuk.com> ???????? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ????? ??????????? ? ????? full view. ? ???????? ??????? ??????? 100,000 ?????????. ??????: ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? routing-table? ???-?? ????? ???????????? ????????? ?????? > On 6 Nov 2019, at 14:02, Alexandr Baryshnyev wrote: > > ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. > ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. > > 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: >> ???? ??????, >> ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). >> ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. >> ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ????? ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. >> ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: >> operators -[switch]-route_server >> ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. >> ???????. >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Best regards, > Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From maksym at tulyuk.com Wed Nov 6 22:46:41 2019 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 21:46:41 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= Message-ID: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> ???????, ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? ???????, ?????? From sm at netartgroup.com Wed Nov 6 22:48:51 2019 From: sm at netartgroup.com (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 15:48:51 -0500 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= In-Reply-To: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> References: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: ?? ?? ????? ? ??? ????????????. ?? ??, ???. -- Sergey > On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ???????, > > ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? > > ???????, > ?????? > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From stesin at gmail.com Wed Nov 6 23:05:23 2019 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 23:05:23 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <91963253-698D-4213-905F-2DA2C0AB1395@tulyuk.com> References: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <91963253-698D-4213-905F-2DA2C0AB1395@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: ?????? ?? ???? On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 22:40, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ???????? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ????? ??????????? ? ????? full view. ? ???????? ??????? ??????? 100,000 ?????????. > > ??????: ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? routing-table? ???-?? ????? ???????????? ????????? > > ?????? > > > On 6 Nov 2019, at 14:02, Alexandr Baryshnyev wrote: > > > > ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. > > ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. > > > > 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > >> ???? ??????, > >> ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > >> ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > >> ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ????? ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > >> ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > >> operators -[switch]-route_server > >> ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. > >> ???????. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From eduard at melnik.org.ua Thu Nov 7 00:49:40 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 23:49:40 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20730DE5-9520-4A15-A8F6-3CB9D13384E7@melnik.org.ua> ?? ? ???? ??? ???? ????? ? ?? ????????? - ??????. ???? ?????? ?? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? 98% - ?????? ??/? ????? ? ??????/? ???? ?? ?????. ??? ????? ???? ? ???????? (???????????, ???????? ? ??, ??? ??????? ????). ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? L3 ???? ? ?????? evpn+vxlan. ????????????? ????. ???????????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ?????????. ?? 10-20? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????. ?????? ??????????? ?????, ??? ????????? ? ????????? ?? bgp. ???????????? ?????? ??????, ???????? ??, ?????, ??? ????? ???????????????? ???????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????????. ????? ????????? ??? ????? +1/10g ? ?????????? ????????????? ????? ?? ???? ????????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ????????? jumbo ??????? ???-?? ???? :) ??? ??? ??????? ?????????? SPB Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Nov 2019, at 21:34, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ???????? ??????????? VXLAN+EVPN ?? DC (data centre) environment. ?.?. ????????? ??? ???? WAN ???? ????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????? ?DC? ?? ??? ??????/?????????, ??? ????????? ???????????? DC ? ??????????????? ????? ????. > > ??????????????, ??? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? WAN ???? ????????? LAN ??????????. > > ?????? > >> On 4 Nov 2019, at 20:54, Eduard M wrote: >> >> >> ?????? ????? >> >> >> ???. ???? ???????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? >> >> ? ?????? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? ????????? (?????? ?????). >> >> >> ??? ? ????? "????????? ?????"? ?????, ???, ?????????? >> >> >> ?????? >> >> >>> On 04/11/2019 20:46, Maksym Tuyluk wrote: >>> ? "EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? - ?????? ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? >>> >>> ?????? >>> >>>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 15:47, Eduard M wrote: >>>> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>> >>>> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >>>> >>>> >>>> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >>>> >>>> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >>>> >>>> * ?????????????????? >>>> >>>> * ????????????? ?????? >>>> >>>> * ????????????? ???? >>>> >>>> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >>>> >>>> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >>>> >>>> * 1/10/100G >>>> >>>> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >>>> >>>> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) >>>> >>>> >>>> ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: >>>> >>>> * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) >>>> >>>> * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge >>>> >>>> * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) >>>> >>>> * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) >>>> >>>> * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? >>>> >>>> * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU >>>> >>>> * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >>>> >>>> >>>> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >>>> >>>> >>>> ??????? ???????! >>>> >>>> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >>>> >>>> >>>> ?????? ??????? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Thu Nov 7 01:49:24 2019 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 01:49:24 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= In-Reply-To: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> References: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: <78FCDC7E-6306-4686-B482-D8343FF79675@academ.kiev.ua> > On 6 Nov 2019, at 22:46, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ???????, > > ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? ??? ????????? https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/regional-meetings/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/agenda ??? ?????? ????? ??????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixcoQR2UaRw&list=PLQjY0ot5dt3607Ve7dhZImUUB3GzdDy1Z ???? ?????????, ?????? ????? ? ????? ??? ???????????. > > ???????, > ?????? > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Thu Nov 7 02:02:09 2019 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 02:02:09 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= In-Reply-To: <78FCDC7E-6306-4686-B482-D8343FF79675@academ.kiev.ua> References: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> <78FCDC7E-6306-4686-B482-D8343FF79675@academ.kiev.ua> Message-ID: > On 7 Nov 2019, at 01:49, Taras Heichenko wrote: > > > >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 22:46, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >> >> ???????, >> >> ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? > > ??? ????????? > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/regional-meetings/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/agenda > > ??? ?????? ????? ??????? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixcoQR2UaRw&list=PLQjY0ot5dt3607Ve7dhZImUUB3GzdDy1Z > > ???? ?????????, ?????? ????? ? ????? ??? ???????????. ??? ??????? ?????? ????? ???????, ??? ? ?? youtube ??? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? (?????????? ??????? ???? as is, ????????? ????? ? ???????? ?? ??????????), ?? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ?????, ? ???? ??? ??????? as is ? ??? ????????. ??? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ????????. > >> >> ???????, >> ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Taras Heichenko > tasic at academ.kiev.ua > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Nov 7 19:35:45 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:35:45 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <91963253-698D-4213-905F-2DA2C0AB1395@tulyuk.com> References: <1573043237.370960000.8gamdqcb@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <91963253-698D-4213-905F-2DA2C0AB1395@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: <1573148003.793913000.8ax50p9y@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? ?? ???? ???????, ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????????, ??? ?, ???????? MX960. BGP - ??? ??????, ??????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ???????? bgpd ???????? ????????? ? ?????? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? - ????. ?????? ? fabric - ??? ????? ?? ??, ??? ?????? ? ??????? ????????????? ? ??????. ???????? ??????? ?????????????????? ? ??????????? ????????????? ?????, ????? ????????????, ??? Xeon ? ?????? ? 5??? ??????? ??? ???? ? 3-4 ???????, ??? MX960 ? ?????? 1.3???. 6 ????????? 2019, 22:40:07, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ???????? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ????? ??????????? ? ????? full view. ? ???????? ??????? ??????? 100,000 ?????????. ??????: ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? routing-table? ???-?? ????? ???????????? ????????? ?????? > On 6 Nov 2019, at 14:02, Alexandr Baryshnyev wrote: > > ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. > ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. > > 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: >> ???? ??????, >> ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). >> ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. >> ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ????? ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. >> ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: >> operators -[switch]-route_server >> ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. >> ???????. >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Best regards, > Alexandr B. 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URL: From eduard at melnik.org.ua Mon Nov 11 11:37:11 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:37:11 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtC00YHQutCw0LbQuNGC0LUg0L/QvtC2INGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YPRgtC10YA=?= In-Reply-To: <551e26bf-2d8b-e1bf-4896-6a45fc07b05b@melnik.org.ua> References: <1573055676.395990000.km2s6s0v@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <7853A5D9-E7A5-40D0-A7FE-E028D48E97ED@melnyk.lu> <1573060230.952935000.22jmh0i1@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <551e26bf-2d8b-e1bf-4896-6a45fc07b05b@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: <0d2884ac-4d00-469c-1899-4b6a02e45629@melnik.org.ua> On 06/11/2019 19:27, Eduard M wrote: >> ???? ? ?????, ??? ???? ????? ??????, ??????? ??????? ?? ?????, ? >> ??????? ????? ???????? ????????/????????? full view ?????? ?? >> ??????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ??? ????????? ? ??????? ? >> ??????????????. ???? ? ????? ????? - ??? ????? ???????? ????????. >> ?????? ??? ??? ?????. >> > > ????? ? ?? ?????? ????? ????? > > ???? ???? ?? ???????? ????? ??? ???????????? - ????????? full view > ?????? ?? ????? ????????? ????? (??? ??????) ????????? ?? > ???????????????? ??????????. ?.?., ?? ??????? (?? ?????, ? ?????? > ???????? ??? ????? ??? RR), ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ? ???, ????? > ?????? ?????????? ???? ????????? full view ? ??????? ?????????? ?? > ???? ???????? (??? ???????, ?? ????????? ????????). > > ??????, ? ???? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????????? ??????? ? ???? ???????? (??? ???? ????????????? ?? ?? ????? ???????). >> >> /6 ????????? 2019, 18:19:21, ??? "Eduard M" > >:/ >> >> ?????? >> >> ????????, juniper mx5 ? ????. >> ???????? ? ????? >> ???? ???? ????????? >> >> ??? ??? ?????????? mikrotik ccr ??????. ?? ???? ??????? ????? >> ?????????? ?? 3? fullview >> >> ? ?????? ???????, ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? pi+as. /29 >> ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????????? >> ?????? (????, ????? ??? ? ?? ???????? ?????). >> >> Bird ??? ??????????. Quagga (??? ???? ?????) ????????? ? ???????. >> ???? ??????? - ??? ?????? ?????? (???????? ? ????? ????? ??????) >> ???? RR (??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? next hop). ? ???? ?? bgp >> ? ????????? :) ???? ??? - ?????? ? ???? ???????? ???? nat ???? >> vrrp. ?? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 6 Nov 2019, at 16:55, Vladimir Sharun >>> > wrote: >>> ??????, >>> >>> ???????. >>> >>> ? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ?? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ?????????? >>> ??????? ??? bird - ??? ???-?? ?? continuity ?????? ?????? ?? >>> named ????????, ?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ????????? ? >>> >>> /6 ????????? 2019, 15:03:09, ??? "Alexandr Baryshnyev" >>> >:/ >>> >>> ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. >>> ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. >>> >>> 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: >>> > ???? ??????, >>> > >>> > ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). >>> > >>> > ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? >>> > ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? >>> > ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. >>> > >>> > ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????,??????? ?? ????? ????? >>> > ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. >>> > >>> > ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: >>> > >>> > operators -[switch]-route_server >>> > >>> > ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. >>> > >>> > ???????. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > uanog mailing list >>> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail:abb at abbon.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MX960. > > BGP - ??? ??????, ??????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ? ?????? ???????? bgpd > > ???????? ????????? ? ?????? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? - ????. > > ?????? ? fabric - ??? ????? ?? ??, ??? ?????? ? ??????? ????????????? ? ??????. > > ???????? ??????? ?????????????????? ? ??????????? ????????????? ?????, ????? ????????????, ??? Xeon ? ?????? ? 5??? ??????? ??? ???? ? 3-4 ???????, ??? MX960 ? ?????? 1.3???. > > > 6 ????????? 2019, 22:40:07, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" >: > > ???????? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ????? ??????????? ? ????? full view. ? ???????? ??????? ??????? 100,000 ?????????. > > ??????: ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? routing-table? ???-?? ????? ???????????? ????????? > > ?????? > > > On 6 Nov 2019, at 14:02, Alexandr Baryshnyev > wrote: > > > > ????????? ?????????? ?? ??????, bird ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ? full view ??? ?????? ????????. > > ????????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ???????. > > > > 06.11.2019 14:42, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > >> ???? ??????, > >> ???? ????????? ????-?????? ?????????? (tier1/2/3). > >> ????????????, ??-???????, ????? ????????? ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ????. full view, ?? ?????? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? (?.?. 0/0 ????, ? ?? ??? ?????? ??? - ??????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ??????), ? ?????????? ??? ?????? ????????? ???-?? ?????????. > >> ???????? - ????, ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????. ??-?? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????, ?????? ?? ????? ????? ? ??-? Level3 (CenturyLink) ??? ? ????? ? ?????? ? ??? ????? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????? ??? ? ????????. > >> ?.?. ??????????????? ????????????: > >> operators -[switch]-route_server > >> ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ? ????????, ? ????-?????? - ????????? ???????? ???????. > >> ???????. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Mon Nov 11 18:23:41 2019 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:23:41 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <20730DE5-9520-4A15-A8F6-3CB9D13384E7@melnik.org.ua> References: <20730DE5-9520-4A15-A8F6-3CB9D13384E7@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: <3EB85B39-D8D3-4919-947F-2B5D7FA4269C@tulyuk.com> ?.?. ???? ? ???, ????? ?????? ??? L3 ?????????? ? ?????-???? ??????????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ??????. ?????????? ?????? > On 6 Nov 2019, at 23:49, Eduard M wrote: > > ?? ? ???? ??? ???? ????? ? ?? > ????????? - ??????. ???? ?????? ?? ? ?????? ?????? > ?????? ? 98% - ?????? ??/? ????? ? ??????/? ???? ?? ?????. ??? ????? ???? ? ???????? (???????????, ???????? ? ??, ??? ??????? ????). > > ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? L3 ???? ? ?????? evpn+vxlan. ????????????? ????. > > ???????????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ?????????. ?? 10-20? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????. > ?????? ??????????? ?????, ??? ????????? ? ????????? ?? bgp. > ???????????? ?????? ??????, ???????? ??, ?????, ??? ????? ???????????????? > ???????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????????. ????? ????????? ??? ????? +1/10g ? ?????????? > ????????????? ????? ?? ???? ????????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ????????? jumbo ??????? > > ???-?? ???? :) > > ??? ??? ??????? ?????????? SPB > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 21:34, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >> >> ???????? ??????????? VXLAN+EVPN ?? DC (data centre) environment. ?.?. ????????? ??? ???? WAN ???? ????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????? ?DC? ?? ??? ??????/?????????, ??? ????????? ???????????? DC ? ??????????????? ????? ????. >> >> ??????????????, ??? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? WAN ???? ????????? LAN ??????????. >> >> ?????? >> >>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 20:54, Eduard M wrote: >>> >>> >>> ?????? ????? >>> >>> >>> ???. ???? ???????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? >>> >>> ? ?????? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? ????????? (?????? ?????). >>> >>> >>> ??? ? ????? "????????? ?????"? ?????, ???, ?????????? >>> >>> >>> ?????? >>> >>> >>>> On 04/11/2019 20:46, Maksym Tuyluk wrote: >>>> ? "EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? - ?????? ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? >>>> >>>> ?????? >>>> >>>>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 15:47, Eduard M wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >>>>> >>>>> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >>>>> >>>>> * ?????????????????? >>>>> >>>>> * ????????????? ?????? >>>>> >>>>> * ????????????? ???? >>>>> >>>>> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >>>>> >>>>> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >>>>> >>>>> * 1/10/100G >>>>> >>>>> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >>>>> >>>>> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: >>>>> >>>>> * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) >>>>> >>>>> * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge >>>>> >>>>> * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) >>>>> >>>>> * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) >>>>> >>>>> * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? >>>>> >>>>> * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU >>>>> >>>>> * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ??????? ???????! >>>>> >>>>> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ?????? ??????? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> uanog mailing list >>>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From maksym at tulyuk.com Mon Nov 11 18:44:47 2019 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:44:47 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= In-Reply-To: <78FCDC7E-6306-4686-B482-D8343FF79675@academ.kiev.ua> References: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> <78FCDC7E-6306-4686-B482-D8343FF79675@academ.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <2C73F4F6-D27F-4953-AD18-66A281FC65AC@tulyuk.com> ???????, ?????????. ??????: ? ????? ?????? ?????? DoT ???????????? ??????? OS ???????????? DoT? ??????? ?????????? ? ???????/??????/???? ????????????? DoT? ?????? > On 7 Nov 2019, at 00:49, Taras Heichenko wrote: > > > >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 22:46, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >> >> ???????, >> >> ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? > > ??? ????????? > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/regional-meetings/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/agenda > > ??? ?????? ????? ??????? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixcoQR2UaRw&list=PLQjY0ot5dt3607Ve7dhZImUUB3GzdDy1Z > > ???? ?????????, ?????? ????? ? ????? ??? ???????????. > >> >> ???????, >> ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Taras Heichenko > tasic at academ.kiev.ua > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From maksym at tulyuk.com Mon Nov 11 19:01:48 2019 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:01:48 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= In-Reply-To: References: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: ??????: ? ?-? Vixie ?????? disclaimer ??? ? ??? ??? ? ???? ???? ?????? Farsight Security, Inc, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????? DNS ????????/???? ? ??????????????? DNS over HTTPS ?????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? Farsight Security, Inc? IMHO ? ??? ???????????? ???????????? Conflict of Interests ? ??? ?? ?????? ???????????????? ? ?????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????? > On 6 Nov 2019, at 21:48, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > > > ?? ?? ????? ? ??? ????????????. ?? ??, ???. > > > -- > Sergey > > >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >> >> ???????, >> >> ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? >> >> ???????, >> ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Tue Nov 12 13:41:43 2019 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 13:41:43 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= In-Reply-To: <2C73F4F6-D27F-4953-AD18-66A281FC65AC@tulyuk.com> References: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> <78FCDC7E-6306-4686-B482-D8343FF79675@academ.kiev.ua> <2C73F4F6-D27F-4953-AD18-66A281FC65AC@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: <3275B350-3E67-4155-8F6E-13FFF1311DC1@academ.kiev.ua> > On 11 Nov 2019, at 18:44, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ???????, ?????????. > > ??????: ? ????? ?????? ?????? DoT ???????????? ??????? OS ???????????? DoT? ??????? ?????????? ? ???????/??????/???? ????????????? DoT? ????????? ??? ????????, ?????? DoT ??????????? ?????? ?????????????? ?????????. ???????? ?? ??, ???, ????????? ? ?????, bind, knot ? ???????? ??????, ????? ???????? ?? DoT, ?? ? ?? ????? ????, ????? ?? ?????? ??????? stub ???????? ???? ????????????????? ? ????? "??? ??????????". ? ?????? ??????????? ??????????? stub ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????????? ?????. ? ?????? ? ?????-?? ??????????? ????????? "???????? ?? DoT, ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????????". ?? ????? ??, ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????? ?????????. > > ?????? > >> On 7 Nov 2019, at 00:49, Taras Heichenko wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 6 Nov 2019, at 22:46, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >>> >>> ???????, >>> >>> ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? >> >> ??? ????????? >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/regional-meetings/ripe-ncc-days-kyiv/agenda >> >> ??? ?????? ????? ??????? >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixcoQR2UaRw&list=PLQjY0ot5dt3607Ve7dhZImUUB3GzdDy1Z >> >> ???? ?????????, ?????? ????? ? ????? ??? ???????????. >> >>> >>> ???????, >>> ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> -- >> Taras Heichenko >> tasic at academ.kiev.ua >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Tue Nov 12 13:44:46 2019 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 13:44:46 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KDQtdCz0LjQvtC90LDQu9GM0L3Ri9C5IFJJUEUgTkND?= =?utf-8?q?_meeting_=D0=B8_Paul_Vixie?= In-Reply-To: References: <4F7D70B7-379F-40CA-A349-8579F76297DB@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: > On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:01, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ??????: ? ?-? Vixie ?????? disclaimer ??? ? ??? ??? ? ???? ???? ?????? Farsight Security, Inc, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????? DNS ????????/???? ? ??????????????? DNS over HTTPS ?????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? Farsight Security, Inc? > > IMHO ? ??? ???????????? ???????????? Conflict of Interests ? ??? ?? ?????? ???????????????? ? ?????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????, ????? ?? ???? ????? ? ??? disclaimer'?. :) ??? ? ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ?? ?? ???????? ????? ? ? ??? ???????? (? ??? ? ???????????? ??????????????? ????? ???). ??? ? ???? ???? ???????, ? ?????????????? ????????, ?? ????????? DoH ? DoT (?? DoT ??????? ???? ??????) ? ???? ??????????? > > ?????? > >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 21:48, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >> >> >> ?? ?? ????? ? ??? ????????????. ?? ??, ???. >> >> >> -- >> Sergey >> >> >>> On 6 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >>> >>> ???????, >>> >>> ? ??? ??????, ??? ? ???? ?? ???????????? RIPE NCC meeting ???????? Paul Vixie ? ??????????? ??? ???????? DNS over HTTPS? >>> >>> ???????, >>> ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org Tue Nov 12 21:07:50 2019 From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:07:50 -0800 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?SVNQL05TUCDTxdTYINMgztXM0SDXIDIwMjA=?= In-Reply-To: <7e20cee1-3bd0-9245-0e49-92200d92c8e7@xlit.one> References: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> <7e20cee1-3bd0-9245-0e49-92200d92c8e7@xlit.one> Message-ID: <20191112190750.GH99291@rabbit.smph.nest.org> hi, On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 06:27:53PM +0200, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ?????????? ?? ???? ??????? - ??? (?) ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ? (?) ? > ?????? ??????? ??????????????????. ? ???????????? ?????? ??????????? MACsec ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??????????????????, ? ????????????? ? ????????. ???? ????? Nx10G, ?? ? ?????????? Juniper EX4600; ???? ???? 100G, ?? Arista 7050 etc. ?? ???? ???????? ? ??????????????????? IPsec, ?? ??? :) MACsec ??????? ??????????? L2, ?? dark fiber + CWDM ??????? ??? ???????, ? ?? ????? L2 ?????? ???????? (????????? ethertypes ?????? ?????????). --igor From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Tue Nov 12 21:12:10 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:12:10 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAg?= =?utf-8?q?2020?= In-Reply-To: <20191112190750.GH99291@rabbit.smph.nest.org> References: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> <7e20cee1-3bd0-9245-0e49-92200d92c8e7@xlit.one> <20191112190750.GH99291@rabbit.smph.nest.org> Message-ID: <1573585888.557406000.dx0kb62a@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?? ??????? ???????????????? ??????? ?? ???????? Macsec ??? EX - ???? ????????? ???? ??????.? 12 ????????? 2019, 21:08:10, ??? "Igor Sviridov" : hi, On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 06:27:53PM +0200, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ?????????? ?? ???? ??????? - ??? (?) ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ? (?) ? > ?????? ??????? ??????????????????. ? ???????????? ?????? ??????????? MACsec ???????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??????????????????, ? ????????????? ? ????????. ???? ????? Nx10G, ?? ? ?????????? Juniper EX4600; ???? ???? 100G, ?? Arista 7050 etc. ?? ???? ???????? ? ??????????????????? IPsec, ?? ??? :) MACsec ??????? ??????????? L2, ?? dark fiber + CWDM ??????? ??? ???????, ? ?? ????? L2 ?????? ???????? (????????? ethertypes ?????? ?????????). --igor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Tue Nov 12 22:37:52 2019 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 22:37:52 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLQviDRliDRjyDQt9Cw0L/QuNGC0LDRji4uLiDQn9GA?= =?utf-8?q?=D0=BE_VPN_masquerading_etc=2E=2E?= Message-ID: ??????? ???? ??????. ???? ? ????? ??????????. Help, please. ? ?????? ? ????? ????????? ?? (?????????, 1.1.1.1), ???? ??? ?????? ?? 1.1.1.1:443 ?????????? ?? ?????????? Apache2 reverse proxy server (192.168.X1.Y1) , ?????? ? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ??????????? ???????? (??? ??????? ????? CNAME ?? 1.1.1.1 ??? ????????? ?? "????????" ????????? 192.168.0.0/16 ? ????????-???????????? 172.16.0.0/12). ????? ?? ??? ??????? ? VPN openconnect server, ?? ?????? ????? VPN-???????? ??-?????? 192.168.X3.0/24. ?????? - ??????? ????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ??? ?????????. ?????, ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ? 192.168.0.0/16 ?? 172.16.0.0/12 ???????? ? ????, ??, ????? ????, ?? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ????????? https-????? ?? src-address proxy-??????? 192.168.X1.Y1 ????????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?????, ?? ? ?????????. ????? ?????? ??????????? VPN-???????? ? ????? https-??????? ?? ??????, ? ?? Apache proxy ?????? ???????? ???????? (??????) src-address VPN-??????? (? ???????? ????????? ???? - ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??-?????? ????????? ????? ??????). ????? ??????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ???? ??????? ???? ??????? ??????? ?????. -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petr at petrovich.kiev.ua Tue Nov 12 23:08:55 2019 From: petr at petrovich.kiev.ua (Serge Negodyuck) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:08:55 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLQviDRliDRjyDQt9Cw0L/QuNGC0LDRji4uLiDQn9GA?= =?utf-8?q?=D0=BE_VPN_masquerading_etc=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ???????? - ?????? ??? acl ?? ????? 192.168.X1.Y1 - ?? 192.168.X1.Y1 ?????? ssl offload, ?????? ?????????? plain http (? X-Forwarded-For, X-Forwarded-Proto) ??, ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ???????? apache. ? ???? ???? https ??????????? ???? ??????? ???? ??, ?? ?????? ? ?? https ????? ???????? X-Forwarded-For ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????????? remoteip_module (apache), mod-rpaf (nginx) ? ? ? > ????? ?????? ??????????? VPN-???????? ? ????? https-??????? ?? ??????, ? ?? Apache proxy ?????? ???????? ???????? (??????) src-address VPN-??????? (? ???????? ????????? ???? - ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??-?????? ????????? ????? ??????). ??? ? ?????? ?? ? ???????, ???? ???. ?? ????????, ????? ??? ???? ??????? IP ??? ???????. ??, ????? ??????? ???? ?????????? DNS ??? ???-????????, ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???????? 192.168.X1.Y1 ?????? 1.1.1.1. ??, 12 ????. 2019 ?. ? 22:38, Oleh Hrynchuk : > ??????? ???? ??????. > > ???? ? ????? ??????????. Help, please. > > ? ?????? ? ????? ????????? ?? (?????????, 1.1.1.1), ???? ??? ?????? ?? > 1.1.1.1:443 ?????????? ?? ?????????? Apache2 reverse proxy server > (192.168.X1.Y1) , ?????? ? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ??????????? > ???????? (??? ??????? ????? CNAME ?? 1.1.1.1 ??? ????????? ?? "????????" > ????????? 192.168.0.0/16 ? ????????-???????????? 172.16.0.0/12). > > ????? ?? ??? ??????? ? VPN openconnect server, ?? ?????? ????? > VPN-???????? ??-?????? 192.168.X3.0/24. > > ?????? - ??????? ????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ??? ?????????. ?????, ???? > ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ? 192.168.0.0/16 ?? 172.16.0.0/12 > > ???????? ? ????, ??, ????? ????, ?? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ????????? > https-????? ?? src-address proxy-??????? 192.168.X1.Y1 ????????? ??? ???? > ?? ????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?????, ?? ? ?????????. > > ????? ?????? ??????????? VPN-???????? ? ????? https-??????? ?? ??????, ? > ?? Apache proxy ?????? ???????? ???????? (??????) src-address VPN-??????? > (? ???????? ????????? ???? - ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????? > ??-?????? ????????? ????? ??????). > > ????? ??????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ???? ??????? ???? ??????? > > ??????? ?????. > > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petr at petrovich.kiev.ua Tue Nov 12 23:19:00 2019 From: petr at petrovich.kiev.ua (Serge Negodyuck) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:19:00 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLQviDRliDRjyDQt9Cw0L/QuNGC0LDRji4uLiDQn9GA?= =?utf-8?q?=D0=BE_VPN_masquerading_etc=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ??, 12 ????. 2019 ?. ? 23:08, Serge Negodyuck : > ???????? > > - ?????? ??? acl ?? ????? 192.168.X1.Y1 > - ?? 192.168.X1.Y1 ?????? ssl offload, ?????? ?????????? plain http (? > X-Forwarded-For, X-Forwarded-Proto) > ??, ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ???????? apache. ? ???? ???? https ??????????? > ???? ??????? ???? ??, ?? ?????? ? ?? https ????? ???????? X-Forwarded-For > ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????????? remoteip_module (apache), mod-rpaf > (nginx) ? ? ? > ??????, ngx_http_realip_module (nginx). > > > ????? ?????? ??????????? VPN-???????? ? ????? https-??????? ?? ??????, > ? ?? Apache proxy ?????? ???????? ???????? (??????) src-address VPN-??????? > (? ???????? ????????? ???? - ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????? > ??-?????? ????????? ????? ??????). > ??? ? ?????? ?? ? ???????, ???? ???. ?? ????????, ????? ??? ???? > ??????? IP ??? ???????. > ?? ???? ????????? ??? vpn ??????? ???-?? ?????, ????? ???????, ? ??????? ip. ?? ? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ??????. ??, ????? ??????? ???? ?????????? DNS ??? ???-????????, ??????? ????? ??? > ?????? ??? ???????? 192.168.X1.Y1 ?????? 1.1.1.1. > > > ??, 12 ????. 2019 ?. ? 22:38, Oleh Hrynchuk : > >> ??????? ???? ??????. >> >> ???? ? ????? ??????????. Help, please. >> >> ? ?????? ? ????? ????????? ?? (?????????, 1.1.1.1), ???? ??? ?????? ?? >> 1.1.1.1:443 ?????????? ?? ?????????? Apache2 reverse proxy server >> (192.168.X1.Y1) , ?????? ? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ??????????? >> ???????? (??? ??????? ????? CNAME ?? 1.1.1.1 ??? ????????? ?? "????????" >> ????????? 192.168.0.0/16 ? ????????-???????????? 172.16.0.0/12). >> >> ????? ?? ??? ??????? ? VPN openconnect server, ?? ?????? ????? >> VPN-???????? ??-?????? 192.168.X3.0/24. >> >> ?????? - ??????? ????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ??? ?????????. ?????, ???? >> ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ? 192.168.0.0/16 ?? 172.16.0.0/12 >> >> ???????? ? ????, ??, ????? ????, ?? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ????????? >> https-????? ?? src-address proxy-??????? 192.168.X1.Y1 ????????? ??? ???? >> ?? ????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?????, ?? ? ?????????. >> >> ????? ?????? ??????????? VPN-???????? ? ????? https-??????? ?? ??????, ? >> ?? Apache proxy ?????? ???????? ???????? (??????) src-address VPN-??????? >> (? ???????? ????????? ???? - ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????? >> ??-?????? ????????? ????? ??????). >> >> ????? ??????, ?? ????????? ??????????? ???? ??????? ???? ??????? >> >> ??????? ?????. >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> /oleh hrynchuk >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Wed Nov 13 07:20:24 2019 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 07:20:24 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLQviDRliDRjyDQt9Cw0L/QuNGC0LDRji4uLiDQn9GA?= =?utf-8?q?=D0=BE_VPN_masquerading_etc=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?????, ??????. ????????? ????? ??? ? ????????. ???????? ? ?????. ???. ???????? ???-???????? - ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ??? Comodo. ?? ????? - ?? ??? ?? ???? ????????.. ? ???? - ??????? ?? ??????????? SSL (??????? ?? ??? ?? http). ??, 12 ????. 2019 ? 23:09 Serge Negodyuck ????: > ???????? > > - ?????? ??? acl ?? ????? 192.168.X1.Y1 > - ?? 192.168.X1.Y1 ?????? ssl offload, ?????? ?????????? plain http (? > X-Forwarded-For, X-Forwarded-Proto) > ??, ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ???????? apache. ? ???? ???? https ??????????? > ???? ??????? ???? ??, ?? ?????? ? ?? https ????? ???????? X-Forwarded-For > ?? ???????? ??????????? ???????????? remoteip_module (apache), mod-rpaf > (nginx) ? ? ? > > > ????? ?????? ??????????? VPN-???????? ? ????? https-??????? ?? ??????, > ? ?? Apache proxy ?????? ???????? ???????? (??????) src-address VPN-??????? > (? ???????? ????????? ???? - ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????? > ??-?????? ????????? ????? ??????). > ??? ? ?????? ?? ? ???????, ???? ???. ?? ????????, ????? ??? ???? > ??????? IP ??? ???????. > ??, ????? ??????? ???? ?????????? DNS ??? ???-????????, ??????? ????? > ??? ?????? ??? ???????? 192.168.X1.Y1 ?????? 1.1.1.1. > > > ??, 12 ????. 2019 ?. ? 22:38, Oleh Hrynchuk : > >> ??????? ???? ??????. >> >> ???? ? ????? ??????????. Help, please. >> >> ? ?????? ? ????? ????????? ?? (?????????, 1.1.1.1), ???? ??? ?????? ?? >> 1.1.1.1:443 ?????????? ?? ?????????? Apache2 reverse proxy server >> (192.168.X1.Y1) , ?????? ? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ??????????? >> ???????? (??? ??????? ????? CNAME ?? 1.1.1.1 ??? ????????? ?? "????????" >> ????????? 192.168.0.0/16 ? ????????-???????????? 172.16.0.0/12). >> >> ????? ?? ??? ??????? ? VPN openconnect server, ?? ?????? ????? >> VPN-???????? ??-?????? 192.168.X3.0/24. >> >> ?????? - ??????? ????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ??? ?????????. ?????, ???? >> ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ? 192.168.0.0/16 ?? 172.16.0.0/12 >> >> ???????? ? ????, ??, ????? ????, ?? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ????????? >> https-????? ?? src-address proxy-??????? 192.168.X1.Y1 ????????? ??? ???? >> ?? ????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?????, ?? ? ?????????. >> >> ????? ?????? ??????????? VPN-???????? ? ????? https-??????? ?? ??????, ? >> ?? Apache proxy ?????? ???????? ???????? 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URL: From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org Thu Nov 14 01:19:57 2019 From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:19:57 -0800 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?SVNQL05TUCDTxdTYINMgztXM0SDXIDIwMjA=?= In-Reply-To: <1573585888.557406000.dx0kb62a@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1572878967.35423000.dwa9dbq4@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <375d6d98-d056-5901-6414-3023c927309a@melnik.org.ua> <7e20cee1-3bd0-9245-0e49-92200d92c8e7@xlit.one> <20191112190750.GH99291@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <1573585888.557406000.dx0kb62a@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <20191113231957.GI99291@rabbit.smph.nest.org> hi, On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 09:12:10PM +0200, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ?? ??????? ???????????????? ??????? ?? ???????? Macsec ??? EX - ???? ????????? ???? ??????. ??????? ???? ?????? ?? 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L2 ?????? ???????? > (????????? ethertypes ?????? ?????????). > > --igor From doka at xlit.one Mon Nov 25 12:10:39 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:10:39 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: References: <93576F90-15FF-4FE8-954B-56F2E74FD60E@melnik.org.ua> <3f663675-081f-f489-84da-95e1963815ec@xlit.one> Message-ID: <10e5b845-1ac0-435a-9d11-cec83c30eda1@xlit.one> ? ?? ?????? ???: ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ??????. ? ?????? ?????????? ??????, ????? ??????? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ? ???? ???????????, ????? "??? _?????_ SDN" (???????? - ?? 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"Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abb at abbon.net Mon Nov 25 13:31:48 2019 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 13:31:48 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrRgtC+INGC0LDQutC+0Lkg0LTQtdCy0L7Qv9GBID8g?= =?utf-8?b?Oik=?= Message-ID: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> ??????? ???? ???, ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ????????? ?????, DevOps ? ? ??????? ?????? ???????, ?????? ????????? ???? ??????????? ?????????, ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ? "??????? ????????", ??????? ????????????? ?? ?????????? ??? ????? ? ??????? ?? ??? ?????????????? ????????? (? ???????? ?? ??????? ????????????). ??? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? IT ?????. ???? ? ??? ?????-?? ??????? ??? ????? ? ???? ????????? ??? ???????????? ???? ????????. ????? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ?? ??? ???? ????????, ?? ? ???? ????? ???????, ????????? ????? ????? ??? ? ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????, ?? ?????, ? ?? ?????. ?????? ???????? ? ??? ?????????? ?????????????? ???? ?? ?????? IT, ??????? ?? ?????? ???? ??????????? ???????? ?, ??? ????? ??????????, ?? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? 50, ??????? ????? ?????? :) . ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ?? ??? ???? ????????? ??? ???????, ?? ???? ????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ? ???????, ???????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ? ?????????? ?? ???????, ?? ???? ???????? ??? ?????? :). ? ??????? - ??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????????. ?? ? ???, ????????? ?, ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????, ??? ????, ???? ??? ?????. ? ?????? :) ? ?????? ??????, ???? ??? ???? ?????????????? ??????, ?? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ????, ???? ? ??? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ?????????? ? ?????????????? ? ??? ??? ? ???? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????????? :) -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From doka at xlit.one Mon Nov 25 13:59:38 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 13:59:38 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrRgtC+INGC0LDQutC+0Lkg0LTQtdCy0L7Qv9GBID8g?= =?utf-8?b?Oik=?= In-Reply-To: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> References: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> Message-ID: <99a7571b-f362-791f-5cfa-de8fc58b08b2@xlit.one> Devops - ??? development operations. ????????? ????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ????????????? ? ????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????????? ???????. ??? ? ?????, ??? ???????????????, ????? ??? ?????, ??? ??? ????????, ??? ?????????, ?????? ????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ???? ???? ???????????? ???? specifics ??????? ??????????? ????????. ???? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ????????????, ?? ? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ?????. On 25.11.2019 13:31, Alexandr Baryshnyev wrote: > ??????? ???? ???, > > ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ????????? ?????, > DevOps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est regards, > ?? Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hunter at comsys.com.ua Mon Nov 25 14:10:52 2019 From: hunter at comsys.com.ua (Sergii Smitiienko) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:10:52 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrRgtC+INGC0LDQutC+0Lkg0LTQtdCy0L7Qv9GBID8g?= =?utf-8?b?Oik=?= In-Reply-To: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> References: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> Message-ID: ??????. ?? ???? ?????? DevOps ? Cloud-????????. Cloud-??????? ??? ??? ??? ???, ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ??????, ??????? ??????, ????????? ?????? ? ??????-??????. ???????? ??? ???????. DevOps ??? ???????, ??????? ????????? ?????? ????? software development life cycle (?? ???????? ?? Google), ? ?????????? ???? ???? ???????? ???????. ?? ???????? DevOps ????????????? ???????? self-manage-?????, ?? ???? ???????? ??? ??????????, ?? ? ?????????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ????????????????, ????????, ???????? ? ????????????. ??? ? ??????? ????????? ? ?? ??????? ????????. ?????? ?????? ??????? ??? ??????? junior devops ? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ????? ?? ??????? ???? DevOps ? Cloud-??????? ????? ?????? ? devops-?? ???????? ???? ?? ??????. ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????????, ??????? ????? ?????? ???, ?? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ? ??? ?? ???????????, ??? ?? ??????????? ? ??????? ???????????? ? ???????? ???????. ? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ???????????. ??????? ????????? ????? ??? ??????????? ?? devops. ??? ? ??????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ????????? ??????????? ?? ??????????, ??????? ????? devops ??? ?????? ?????????. ?? ??????????? ??? ???-?? ????? ????? ? ? ??????? ??????????, ? ?? ?? ????. > ??????? ???? ???, > > ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ????????? ?????, > DevOps ? > > ? ??????? ?????? ???????, ?????? ????????? ???? ??????????? ?????????, > ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ? "??????? ????????", ??????? ????????????? > ?? ?????????? ??? ????? ? ??????? ?? ??? ?????????????? ????????? (? > ???????? ?? ??????? ????????????). ??? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????? > ?????? ????? ???? ??????? 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ergey Smitienko From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon Nov 25 14:41:42 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:41:42 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrRgtC+INGC0LDQutC+0Lkg0LTQtdCy0L7Qv9GBID8g?= =?utf-8?b?Oik=?= In-Reply-To: <99a7571b-f362-791f-5cfa-de8fc58b08b2@xlit.one> References: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> <99a7571b-f362-791f-5cfa-de8fc58b08b2@xlit.one> Message-ID: <1574685089.594641000.pnwah9l9@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, >????? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ????????????, ?? ? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ?????. ??? ? ??? ?????. ?????????? ???????????? ????????. ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ???????????? ??,???????? - ???????? ? ???? ????????????. ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ??????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ? ???? ??????? - ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ? ?????????????. ?????? ???????? ??????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ????? ????????????? ???????????? ??????????. ? ?????? ???????, ??? ??: ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?????????, ?????? ???: ??? ??????? ?????????????, ????? - ??????? ????????? ????? ????????, ??? ???????? ??? 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"Volodymyr Litovka" : Devops - ??? development operations. ????????? ????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ????????????? ? ????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????????? ???????. ??? ? ?????, ??? ???????????????, ????? ??? ?????, ??? ??? ????????, ??? ?????????, ?????? ????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????????, ??? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ???? ???? ???????????? ???? specifics ??????? ??????????? ????????. ???? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ????????????, ?? ? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ?????. On 25.11.2019 13:31, Alexandr Baryshnyev wrote: ??????? ???? ???, ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ????????? ?????, DevOps ? ? ??????? ?????? ???????, ?????? ????????? ???? ??????????? ?????????, ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ? "??????? ????????", ??????? ????????????? ?? ?????????? ??? ????? ? ??????? ?? ??? ?????????????? ????????? (? ???????? ?? ??????? ????????????). ??? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? 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"Volodymyr Litovka" : On 25.11.2019 14:41, Vladimir Sharun wrote: ??????, >????? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ????????????, ?? ? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ?????. ??? ? ??? ?????. ?????????? ???????????? ????????. ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ???????????? ??,???????? - ???????? ? ???? ????????????. ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ??????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ? ???? ??????? - ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ? ?????????????. ????????? ??????? ??????????? - ??? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????. ? ? ???, ??? ?????? "??????" ?????? ?????????????? ???????????????? ??????????????? ????????. ???? ??? "? ??????????? FreeBSD, Exim ? MPPP ? ?? ???????? ??? ??????, ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????????" - ?? ??? ???????????? 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URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Nov 25 16:41:48 2019 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:41:48 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?cp1251?b?y+j25e3n6PDu4uDt6OUgyO3m5e3l8O7iIOIg0djAID8=?= Message-ID: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> ?????? ???? ! ?????? ? ??? ??? ? ????? - ? ??? ?????? ???????? - ??? ???, ??????? ??????????????? ??? ? ????? ? ?????: FOREIGN-EDUCATED APPLICANTS All foreign educated applicants holding a bachelor of science in engineering degree not accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET) are required to submit a favorable evaluation report completed by NCEES Credentials Evaluations. The application for evaluation of an engineering degree may be obtained by accessing NCEES Credentials Evaluations; www.ncees.org or you may call 864-654-6824. Once you have satisfied the requirements, you may complete the standard application form and submit it to the Board office for consideration. ????? : https://ncees.org/ ... Professional licensure protects the public by enforcing standards that restrict practice to qualified individuals who have met specific qualifications in education, work experience, and exams. ... In the United States, licensure for the engineering and surveying professions is regulated by state. Candidates interested in pursuing licensure are encouraged to check the requirements in the state or territory where they plan to practice, as the requirements vary. ... ?? ????, ?????????? ???? ???-?? ?? ??? (???????) ????? ???????? ????????? ? ???, ?? ??? ???? "???" ????????? ??????? ? ??????????????? ??? ? ????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ??? ? ???-?? ???????? ??? ? ????? ??????? ? -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at xlit.one Mon Nov 25 16:49:29 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:49:29 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JvQuNGG0LXQvdC30LjRgNC+0LLQsNC90LjQtSDQmNC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LXRgNC+0LIg0LIg0KHQqNCQID8=?= In-Reply-To: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> References: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ???????? ?????? ??????. ?????? ? ?????, ??? ?????? ??????? ? ?????????? ??? ???????? ? ????? ????? ? ?????????? - ????????, ? ?????????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ?????????-????????? ??????. On 25.11.2019 16:41, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ???? ! > > ?????? ? ??? ??? ? ????? - ? ??? ?????? ???????? - ??? ???, ??????? > ??????????????? ??? ? ????? ? > > ?????: > > FOREIGN-EDUCATED APPLICANTS > > All foreign educated applicants holding a bachelor of science in > engineering degree not accredited by the Accreditation Board for > Engineering and Technology (ABET) are required to submit a favorable > evaluation report completed by NCEES Credentials Evaluations. The > application for evaluation of an engineering degree may be obtained by > accessing NCEES Credentials Evaluations; www.ncees.org or you may call > 864-654-6824. Once you have satisfied the requirements, you may > complete the standard application form and submit it to the Board > office for consideration. > > ????? : https://ncees.org/ > ... > Professional licensure protects the public by enforcing standards that > restrict practice to qualified individuals who have met specific > qualifications in education, work experience, and exams. > ... > In the United States, licensure for the engineering and surveying > professions is regulated by state. Candidates interested in pursuing > licensure are encouraged to check the requirements in the state or > territory where they plan to practice, as the requirements vary. > ... > > ?? ????, ?????????? ???? ???-?? ?? ??? (???????) ????? ???????? > ????????? ? ???, ?? ??? ???? "???" ????????? ??????? ? ??????????????? > > ??? ? ????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? > > ??? ? ???-?? ???????? > ??? ? ????? ??????? ? > > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Nov 25 17:15:27 2019 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:15:27 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?cp1251?b?y+j25e3n6PDu4uDt6OUgyO3m5e3l8O7iIOIg0djAID8=?= In-Reply-To: References: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <3110636567.20191125171527@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ? ?? ?????? ???????? "??? ??? ? ?????" :-) ???? ? ???, ??? ??? ??? "?? ?????? ? ??????????" ???? ????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?????????? ?? ????????? ????????, ??????? ?????(?????, ??????????) ???????? ? ???. ? ?????? ????????, ????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ??? (?????? ????) ?????? ? ?????????, ??? ??????? ? ?????. ??? ???? ???????, ??? ? ???, ??? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ? ?? ?? ????? ? ???? "????? ?? ??????" ?????????? ????? ??????. ??? ? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???, ? ???????????. Monday, November 25, 2019, 4:49:29 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at xlit.one you wrote: VL> ???????? ?????? ??????. ?????? ? ?????, ??? ?????? ??????? ? ?????????? VL> ??? ???????? ? ????? ????? ? ?????????? - ????????, ? ?????????????? VL> ??????? ??? ???????? ?????????-????????? ??????. VL> On 25.11.2019 16:41, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> ?????? ???? ! >> >> ?????? ? ??? ??? ? ????? - ? ??? ?????? ???????? - ??? ???, ??????? >> ??????????????? ??? ? ????? ? >> >> ?????: >> >> FOREIGN-EDUCATED APPLICANTS >> >> All foreign educated applicants holding a bachelor of science in >> engineering degree not accredited by the Accreditation Board for >> Engineering and Technology (ABET) are required to submit a favorable >> evaluation report completed by NCEES Credentials Evaluations. The >> application for evaluation of an engineering degree may be obtained by >> accessing NCEES Credentials Evaluations; www.ncees.org or you may call >> 864-654-6824. Once you have satisfied the requirements, you may >> complete the standard application form and submit it to the Board >> office for consideration. >> >> ????? : https://ncees.org/ >> ... >> Professional licensure protects the public by enforcing standards that >> restrict practice to qualified individuals who have met specific >> qualifications in education, work experience, and exams. >> ... >> In the United States, licensure for the engineering and surveying >> professions is regulated by state. Candidates interested in pursuing >> licensure are encouraged to check the requirements in the state or >> territory where they plan to practice, as the requirements vary. >> ... >> >> ?? ????, ?????????? ???? ???-?? ?? ??? (???????) ????? ???????? >> ????????? ? ???, ?? ??? ???? "???" ????????? ??????? ? ??????????????? >> >> ??? ? ????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? >> >> ??? ? ???-?? ???????? >> ??? ? ????? ??????? ? >> >> >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon Nov 25 17:43:48 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 17:43:48 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JvQuNGG0LXQvdC30LjRgNC+0LLQsNC90LjQtSDQmNC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LXRgNC+0LIg0LIg0KHQqNCQID8=?= In-Reply-To: <3110636567.20191125171527@euro.net.ua> References: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> <3110636567.20191125171527@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1574696243.995097000.us6pym5b@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?? ????? ??? ???, ?? ? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ??? ????????? ?????? - ????????????? ??? ????????????. ??? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????????? 230? ???, ?? ??? ???, ??? ???????? ?????????? - ????????????? ????????????? ????.? ???????? ?????????? ????????? ? ??????? - ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? (!), ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???????????? ????? ????? ???? ????: termin ???? ?????. ? ??????????? ?? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ?????? ???????? ??? ???????????. ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? (???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ? ???????) - ????????????? ??? ????????????. ??? ?? ?????? ??????. ?? ??? - ?????? ??????? ???????????? ?, ????????, ????????? ????????, ??????? ??? 1/2 ???????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????, ? ???? ??? - ?????????? ???????, ??? ??? ?? ?? ??@???, ??????? ???????? ????????. 25 ????????? 2019, 17:15:37, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! ? ?? ?????? ???????? "??? ??? ? ?????" :-) ???? ? ???, ??? ??? ??? "?? ?????? ? ??????????" ???? ????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?????????? ?? ????????? ????????, ??????? ?????(?????, ??????????) ???????? ? ???. ? ?????? ????????, ????? ??? ????? ???????, ????? ??? (?????? ????) ?????? ? ?????????, ??? ??????? ? ?????. ??? ???? ???????, ??? ? ???, ??? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ? ?? ?? ????? ? ???? "????? ?? ??????" ?????????? ????? ??????. ??? ? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ???, ? ???????????. Monday, November 25, 2019, 4:49:29 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at xlit.one you wrote: VL> ???????? ?????? ??????. ?????? ? ?????, ??? ?????? ??????? ? ?????????? VL> ??? ???????? ? ????? ????? ? ?????????? - ????????, ? ?????????????? VL> ??????? ??? ???????? ?????????-????????? ??????. VL> On 25.11.2019 16:41, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> ?????? ???? ! >> >> ?????? ? ??? ??? ? ????? - ? ??? ?????? ???????? - ??? ???, ??????? >> ??????????????? ??? ? ????? ? >> >> ?????: >> >> FOREIGN-EDUCATED APPLICANTS >> >> All foreign educated applicants holding a bachelor of science in >> engineering degree not accredited by the Accreditation Board for >> Engineering and Technology (ABET) are required to submit a favorable >> evaluation report completed by NCEES Credentials Evaluations. The >> application for evaluation of an engineering degree may be obtained by >> accessing NCEES Credentials Evaluations; www.ncees.org or you may call >> 864-654-6824. Once you have satisfied the requirements, you may >> complete the standard application form and submit it to the Board >> office for consideration. >> >> ????? : https://ncees.org/ >> ... >> Professional licensure protects the public by enforcing standards that >> restrict practice to qualified individuals who have met specific >> qualifications in education, work experience, and exams. >> ... >> In the United States, licensure for the engineering and surveying >> professions is regulated by state. Candidates interested in pursuing >> licensure are encouraged to check the requirements in the state or >> territory where they plan to practice, as the requirements vary. >> ... >> >> ?? ????, ?????????? ???? ???-?? ?? ??? (???????) ????? ???????? >> ????????? ? ???, ?? ??? ???? "???" ????????? ??????? ? ??????????????? >> >> ??? ? ????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? >> >> ??? ? ???-?? ???????? >> ??? ? ????? ??????? ? >> >> >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stesin at gmail.com Mon Nov 25 18:14:46 2019 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:14:46 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JvQuNGG0LXQvdC30LjRgNC+0LLQsNC90LjQtSDQmNC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LXRgNC+0LIg0LIg0KHQqNCQID8=?= In-Reply-To: <1574696243.995097000.us6pym5b@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> <3110636567.20191125171527@euro.net.ua> <1574696243.995097000.us6pym5b@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 17:45, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????????? 230? ???, ?? ??? ???, ??? ???????? ?????????? - ????????????? ????????????? ????.??? ????????, ?? ???. ???????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????????????? ?? ?????? ??????????, ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ? ???????? ?????????. ?????? ??? ????????? ?? ????. > ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? (???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ? ???????) - ????????????? ??? ????????????. ??, ?????????????? ???? ?????? ????? ??????????????? ???. ??????????. ?????? ??????, ??? ???????????? (??? ? ???????????) ??? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ?? ??? ???? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???????????? ???????? (??? ????? ? ??????? ?????). ??? ????. ???????????? ?????? "?????? ??????????" - ???-???????, ??? ??????. > >> ?????: > >> > >> FOREIGN-EDUCATED APPLICANTS > >> > >> All foreign educated applicants holding a bachelor of science in > >> engineering degree not accredited by the Accreditation Board for > >> Engineering and Technology (ABET) are required to submit a favorable > >> evaluation report completed by NCEES Credentials Evaluations. The > >> application for evaluation of an engineering degree may be obtained by > >> accessing NCEES Credentials Evaluations; www.ncees.org or you may call > >> 864-654-6824. Once you have satisfied the requirements, you may > >> complete the standard application form and submit it to the Board > >> office for consideration. ?? ??? ??? ???????: ???? ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????? ? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? - ???????? ? ???????????????? ?????????? ? ??????????? ???????. > >> ????? : https://ncees.org/ > >> ... > >> Professional licensure protects the public by enforcing standards that > >> restrict practice to qualified individuals who have met specific > >> qualifications in education, work experience, and exams. > >> ... > >> In the United States, licensure for the engineering and surveying > >> professions is regulated by state. ???????? ?????????. ?????? ??????????, ????? ????????. > >> Candidates interested in pursuing > >> licensure are encouraged to check the requirements in the state or > >> territory where they plan to practice, as the requirements vary. ??, ? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????. > >> ?? ????, ?????????? ???? ???-?? ?? ??? 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S> ? ??., ? -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon Nov 25 18:42:10 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:42:10 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JvQuNGG0LXQvdC30LjRgNC+0LLQsNC90LjQtSDQmNC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LXRgNC+0LIg0LIg0KHQqNCQID8=?= In-Reply-To: <1352160263.20191125182511@euro.net.ua> References: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> <3110636567.20191125171527@euro.net.ua> <1574696243.995097000.us6pym5b@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <1352160263.20191125182511@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1574699525.626711000.tppyqscx@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??? ??????? ?????????????, ? ?? - ?????????. ?????? ? ??-????? ? ???????? ????, ??? ???????, ???? ?????? - ???? ?? ??????????? ??????? ????????, ????? ???????? ?? ?????? ??? ???????????. ??????????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ???????, ????? ???????, ????? ??? ??????????? ??????? 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Monday, November 25, 2019, 6:14:46 PM, Stesin stesin at gmail.com you wrote: S> On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 17:45, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ??? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????????? 230? ???, ?? ??? ???, ??? ???????? ?????????? - ????????????? ????????????? ????.??? S> ????????, ?? ???. ???????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????????????? ?? S> ?????? ??????????, ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ? ???????? ?????????. ?????? S> ??? ????????? ?? ????. >> ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? (???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ? ???????) - ????????????? ??? ????????????. S> ??, ?????????????? ???? ?????? ????? ??????????????? ???. ??????????. S> ?????? ??????, ??? ???????????? (??? ? ???????????) ??? ???????? S> ?????????? ?????????. S> ?? ??? ???? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???????????? ???????? (??? ????? ? S> ??????? ?????). ??? ????. ???????????? ?????? "?????? ??????????" - S> ???-???????, ??? ??????. >> >> ?????: >> >> >> >> FOREIGN-EDUCATED APPLICANTS >> >> >> >> All foreign educated applicants holding a bachelor of science in >> >> engineering degree not accredited by the Accreditation Board for >> >> Engineering and Technology (ABET) are required to submit a favorable >> >> evaluation report completed by NCEES Credentials Evaluations. The >> >> application for evaluation of an engineering degree may be obtained by >> >> accessing NCEES Credentials Evaluations; www.ncees.org or you may call >> >> 864-654-6824. Once you have satisfied the requirements, you may >> >> complete the standard application form and submit it to the Board >> >> office for consideration. S> ?? ??? ??? ???????: ???? ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????? ? ?? ?????? S> ????? ??? ???????? - ???????? ? ???????????????? ?????????? ? S> ??????????? ???????. >> >> ????? : https://ncees.org/ >> >> ... >> >> Professional licensure protects the public by enforcing standards that >> >> restrict practice to qualified individuals who have met specific >> >> qualifications in education, work experience, and exams. >> >> ... >> >> In the United States, licensure for the engineering and surveying >> >> professions is regulated by state. S> ???????? ?????????. ?????? ??????????, ????? ????????. >> >> Candidates interested in pursuing >> >> licensure are encouraged to check the requirements in the state or >> >> territory where they plan to practice, as the requirements vary. S> ??, ? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????. >> >> ?? ????, ?????????? ???? ???-?? ?? ??? (???????) ????? ???????? >> >> ????????? ? ???, ?? ??? ???? "???" ????????? ??????? ? ??????????????? S> ??????????, ??? ??. ?????? ??????????? ? ?? ??????????, ? ?? S> mechanical engineering, electrical engineering ? ???????? civil S> engineering - 100% ??? ??. S> ? ??., ? -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon Nov 25 18:53:34 2019 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:53:34 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JvQuNGG0LXQvdC30LjRgNC+0LLQsNC90LjQtSDQmNC9?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LXRgNC+0LIg0LIg0KHQqNCQID8=?= In-Reply-To: References: <762772181.20191125164148@euro.net.ua> <3110636567.20191125171527@euro.net.ua> <1574696243.995097000.us6pym5b@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1574698620.522284000.1num1p6m@frv34.fwdcdn.com> ??????, 25 ????????? 2019, 18:15:26, ??? 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URL: From eduard at melnik.org.ua Mon Nov 25 23:12:18 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:12:18 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <10e5b845-1ac0-435a-9d11-cec83c30eda1@xlit.one> References: <93576F90-15FF-4FE8-954B-56F2E74FD60E@melnik.org.ua> <3f663675-081f-f489-84da-95e1963815ec@xlit.one> <10e5b845-1ac0-435a-9d11-cec83c30eda1@xlit.one> Message-ID: <6c619636-8808-4172-d29d-167410f020a7@melnik.org.ua> ?????? ????? ????????? ????????. ????????? ? ???????????. ? ?????, ? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ???????: * ?? SDN ????? ?????? (??? ????? ??????) ????? ???? vCPE (??????? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ???????????) ? ?????? (??-?????????????) NFV + ?????? ??? ?????????? ????????? (??? ???????) * ??????????: MPLS+VPLS, EVPN-VXLAN, SPB(PBB). ???-?? ????? ? ???? ?? ?????? - ?????? ????? MPLS+VPLS. ???? ????? - ?????? ????? SPB. ?????? * ??????? ????????????? ???????! ?????? On 25/11/2019 11:10, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ? ?? ?????? ???: ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????? ?????????? > ???????? ?????????? ??????. > > ? ?????? ?????????? ??????, ????? ??????? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ? ???? > ???????????, ????? "??? _?????_ SDN" (???????? - ?? "?????") ???? > ????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ? ?????????? ? ???-????, ?????? ??? ??? > ????? ????????? ???? ????? ?????-?? ?????????????? ??????????? :) > > On 06.11.2019 01:19, Eduard M wrote: >> >> On 05/11/2019 09:22, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>> >>> On 05.11.2019 10:19, Eduard M wrote: >>> >>>> ????, SDN ?????. >>> >>> ???? ????????? ???? ?????? :-D >>> >>> ? ??? ?????????? ???????-??? >> >> >> ???????? ??????. ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? ;) >> >> >> ? ??? ??????? ? ????? ????????? >> >> https://www.opendaylight.org/use-cases-and-users/by-function >> >> ? >> >> https://onosproject.org/use-cases/ >> >> >> ?????????? ) >> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Volodymyr Litovka >>> ?? "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From eduard at melnik.org.ua Mon Nov 25 23:33:14 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:33:14 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <3EB85B39-D8D3-4919-947F-2B5D7FA4269C@tulyuk.com> References: <20730DE5-9520-4A15-A8F6-3CB9D13384E7@melnik.org.ua> <3EB85B39-D8D3-4919-947F-2B5D7FA4269C@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: ???? ???????? ???? * ??????? ??????????????? * ???????? ?????????? * ???????? ?????????? ????? ????? * ?????????????????? ? ?????????? * ????????? L2VPN (??????????? ??????????? ????????), L3VPN * ???????? ?????? * ??????????? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? (????????, ???????????????). ??, ??????? ?????????????? ????????????? ??????????? ??????????????? ??? ?????????? ?????? ?????. ??, ? ??. ??? ????? ???????? ???? ???????? (????????, L2VPN, L3VPN). SPB ?? Extreme ???????????. ????????? - BGP ?? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????? (??? ????? ? ?? ??????????? ???????). ????????? ??????? (??-?????????????) - ??????????? ?????????? ????????????? - ???? ?????? ?? ?????. ??????, ??????? ?????? On 11/11/2019 17:23, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ?.?. ???? ? ???, ????? ?????? ??? L3 ?????????? ? ?????-???? ??????????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ??????. ?????????? > > ?????? > >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 23:49, Eduard M wrote: >> >> ?? ? ???? ??? ???? ????? ? ?? >> ????????? - ??????. ???? ?????? ?? ? ?????? ?????? >> ?????? ? 98% - ?????? ??/? ????? ? ??????/? ???? ?? ?????. ??? ????? ???? ? ???????? (???????????, ???????? ? ??, ??? ??????? ????). >> >> ??????????, ? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? L3 ???? ? ?????? evpn+vxlan. ????????????? ????. >> >> ???????????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??? ?????????. ?? 10-20? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????. >> ?????? ??????????? ?????, ??? ????????? ? ????????? ?? bgp. >> ???????????? ?????? ??????, ???????? ??, ?????, ??? ????? ???????????????? >> ???????? ? ?????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????????. ????? ????????? ??? ????? +1/10g ? ?????????? >> ????????????? ????? ?? ???? ????????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ????????? jumbo ??????? >> >> ???-?? ???? :) >> >> ??? ??? ??????? ?????????? SPB >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 6 Nov 2019, at 21:34, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >>> >>> ???????? ??????????? VXLAN+EVPN ?? DC (data centre) environment. ?.?. ????????? ??? ???? WAN ???? ????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????? ?DC? ?? ??? ??????/?????????, ??? ????????? ???????????? DC ? ??????????????? ????? ????. >>> >>> ??????????????, ??? ????????? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? WAN ???? ????????? LAN ??????????. >>> >>> ?????? >>> >>>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 20:54, Eduard M wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> ?????? ????? >>>> >>>> >>>> ???. ???? ???????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? >>>> >>>> ? ?????? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? ????????? (?????? ?????). >>>> >>>> >>>> ??? ? ????? "????????? ?????"? ?????, ???, ?????????? >>>> >>>> >>>> ?????? >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 04/11/2019 20:46, Maksym Tuyluk wrote: >>>>> ? "EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????????? - ?????? ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? >>>>> >>>>> ?????? >>>>> >>>>>> On 4 Nov 2019, at 15:47, Eduard M wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ???????, 2019 ??? (??????, SDN, virtual edge, containers, software-centric networks ? ?.?.)... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ??? ?? ?? ??????? ISP/NSP ???? ? 2020 ???? ? ????? >>>>>> >>>>>> * ??????????? ?????????? BER (Big Expensive Routers) >>>>>> >>>>>> * ?????????????????? >>>>>> >>>>>> * ????????????? ?????? >>>>>> >>>>>> * ????????????? ???? >>>>>> >>>>>> * L2/L3 ???????. ? ????????, L2 + VLAN range >>>>>> >>>>>> * Inter-carrier connections & NNI >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1/10/100G >>>>>> >>>>>> * OAM ? ?????????????? ???????? >>>>>> >>>>>> * ???????????? ????????????? ???? ? ????? (??????? API ???-???????, ???????????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ?.?.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ???? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?????: >>>>>> >>>>>> * ?????????? ??????????? ??? PoPs (?????? ??? ?????????????) >>>>>> >>>>>> * ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? (BGP ? ????????? ? ?????????) + NNI + virtual edge >>>>>> >>>>>> * ?????? L2 (???? ??? ????? ??????) >>>>>> >>>>>> * ????????????? L3 (???? ??? L2) >>>>>> >>>>>> * EVPN-VXLAN ??? ???????? ?????????? >>>>>> >>>>>> * ?? ???? ??? ? MTU >>>>>> >>>>>> * ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? (?????? ? ??????????? ???????) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ???????????? ????????????? ???. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ??????? ???????! >>>>>> >>>>>> ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????? - ?????? ? ?????. ???????????. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ?????? ??????? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> uanog mailing list >>>>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> uanog mailing list >>>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From eduard at melnik.org.ua Mon Nov 25 23:47:07 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:47:07 +0100 Subject: [uanog] CIsco 1841 MPLS aware ios Message-ID: <2a5a78c5-f603-5457-7bda-ad84260e0c17@melnik.org.ua> ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ????????? Cisco 1841 ? advancedip 12.4 (25a), ??, ?????? ??????? mpls ?? ???? :( ????????? ???? ??????????, ???, Cisco 1841 ????? ???? LSR ? LER. ??????? ???????! ?????? From doka at xlit.one Tue Nov 26 10:17:45 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:17:45 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: <6c619636-8808-4172-d29d-167410f020a7@melnik.org.ua> References: <93576F90-15FF-4FE8-954B-56F2E74FD60E@melnik.org.ua> <3f663675-081f-f489-84da-95e1963815ec@xlit.one> <10e5b845-1ac0-435a-9d11-cec83c30eda1@xlit.one> <6c619636-8808-4172-d29d-167410f020a7@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: <14a9147d-8529-d521-8379-b5be18116178@xlit.one> ??? ???? ??? NfV :-) https://blogs.cisco.com/sp/enabling-rakuten-cloud-platform-with-cisco-nfvi-and-orchestration-solutions On 25.11.2019 23:12, Eduard M wrote: > > ?????? ????? > > > ????????? ????????. ????????? ? ???????????. > > > ? ?????, ? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ???????: > > > * ?? SDN ????? ?????? (??? ????? ??????) ????? ???? vCPE (??????? > ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ???????????) ? ?????? (??-?????????????) > NFV + ?????? ??? ?????????? ????????? (??? ???????) > > * ??????????: MPLS+VPLS, EVPN-VXLAN, SPB(PBB). ???-?? ????? ? ???? ?? > ?????? - ?????? ????? MPLS+VPLS. ???? ????? - ?????? ????? SPB. ?????? > > * ??????? ????????????? > > > ???????! > > > ?????? > > > On 25/11/2019 11:10, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> ? ?? ?????? ???: ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? ????? ?????????? >> ???????? ?????????? ??????. >> >> ? ?????? ?????????? ??????, ????? ??????? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ? ???? >> ???????????, ????? "??? _?????_ SDN" (???????? - ?? "?????") ???? >> ????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ? ?????????? ? ???-????, ?????? ??? ??? >> ????? ????????? ???? ????? ?????-?? ?????????????? ??????????? :) >> >> On 06.11.2019 01:19, Eduard M wrote: >>> >>> On 05/11/2019 09:22, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>>> >>>> On 05.11.2019 10:19, Eduard M wrote: >>>> >>>>> ????, SDN ?????. >>>> >>>> ???? ????????? ???? ?????? :-D >>>> >>>> ? ??? ?????????? ???????-??? >>> >>> >>> ???????? ??????. ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? ;) >>> >>> >>> ? ??? ??????? ? ????? ????????? >>> >>> https://www.opendaylight.org/use-cases-and-users/by-function >>> >>> ? >>> >>> https://onosproject.org/use-cases/ >>> >>> >>> ?????????? ) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Volodymyr Litovka >>>> ?? "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> ?? "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zorick.ua at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 11:43:10 2019 From: zorick.ua at gmail.com (Andrii Zarechanskyi) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:43:10 +0100 Subject: [uanog] CIsco 1841 MPLS aware ios In-Reply-To: <2a5a78c5-f603-5457-7bda-ad84260e0c17@melnik.org.ua> References: <2a5a78c5-f603-5457-7bda-ad84260e0c17@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: ??????, ???????? ??????? "tag-switching ip". ?? ????? ??????? IOS ????? ??????, ????? ???????????? ???????????? ????????????. ? ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? LDP, ? ?? TDP: "mpls label protocol ldp" https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios-xml/ios/mp_basic/configuration/12-4t/mp-basic-12-4t-book.pdf On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:47 PM Eduard M wrote: > ?????? > > > ??? ????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? > > ???? ????????? Cisco 1841 ? advancedip 12.4 (25a), ??, ?????? ??????? > mpls ?? ???? :( > > ????????? ???? ??????????, ???, Cisco 1841 ????? ???? LSR ? LER. > > > ??????? ???????! > > > ?????? > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpodgorny at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 17:14:42 2019 From: vpodgorny at gmail.com (Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:14:42 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?SVNQL05TUCDRgdC10YLRjCDRgSDQvdGD0LvRjyDQsiAy?= =?utf-8?q?020?= In-Reply-To: References: <20730DE5-9520-4A15-A8F6-3CB9D13384E7@melnik.org.ua> <3EB85B39-D8D3-4919-947F-2B5D7FA4269C@tulyuk.com> Message-ID: ? ???????? ???? RESTful API, ? ????? - NETCONF. ??????? NMS-? ?????? ??? ??? ????????. > > ????????????? - ???? ?????? ?? ?????. ??????, ??????? > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From doka at xlit.one Tue Nov 26 18:31:32 2019 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:31:32 +0200 Subject: [uanog] CIsco 1841 MPLS aware ios In-Reply-To: <2a5a78c5-f603-5457-7bda-ad84260e0c17@melnik.org.ua> References: <2a5a78c5-f603-5457-7bda-ad84260e0c17@melnik.org.ua> Message-ID: <0c5bd5e2-d513-a2ca-a5a8-b5a8a1f6382a@xlit.one> ??????, ????? ??? ????? ?????-?? ios, ? ??? ?? rutracker.org ? ???, ?? ????? IOS ? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? IOS'??. ????? ????, ??????? ????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? Google, ?? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? http directories ??? ????????? ??, ??? ????? :) On 25.11.2019 23:47, Eduard M wrote: > ?????? > > > ??? ????? ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? > > ???? ????????? Cisco 1841 ? advancedip 12.4 (25a), ??, ?????? ??????? > mpls ?? ???? :( > > ????????? ???? ??????????, ???, Cisco 1841 ????? ???? LSR ? LER. > > > ??????? ???????! > > > ?????? > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org Tue Nov 26 20:48:35 2019 From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:48:35 -0800 Subject: [uanog] CIsco 1841 MPLS aware ios In-Reply-To: <0c5bd5e2-d513-a2ca-a5a8-b5a8a1f6382a@xlit.one> References: <2a5a78c5-f603-5457-7bda-ad84260e0c17@melnik.org.ua> <0c5bd5e2-d513-a2ca-a5a8-b5a8a1f6382a@xlit.one> Message-ID: <20191126184835.GB42060@rabbit.smph.nest.org> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 06:31:32PM +0200, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ????? ??? ????? ?????-?? ios, ? ??? ?? rutracker.org ? ???, ?? ????? IOS > ? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? IOS'??. ????? ????, > ??????? ????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? Google, ?? ??????? ????? > ????????? ???????? http directories ??? ????????? ??, ??? ????? :) ? ???? ???? ???????? - ????? ????????? IOS ? ?????????????????? ??????. ??? ???? ???????? ok. ?? ? ????? ???????? ???????????? SHA1 ?????? ??? ????????. --igor From eduard at melnik.org.ua Wed Nov 27 14:14:02 2019 From: eduard at melnik.org.ua (Eduard M) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:14:02 +0100 Subject: [uanog] CIsco 1841 MPLS aware ios In-Reply-To: <20191126184835.GB42060@rabbit.smph.nest.org> References: <2a5a78c5-f603-5457-7bda-ad84260e0c17@melnik.org.ua> <0c5bd5e2-d513-a2ca-a5a8-b5a8a1f6382a@xlit.one> <20191126184835.GB42060@rabbit.smph.nest.org> Message-ID: <76fe2edb-54ec-4d27-745f-f7d6b9f5fda0@melnik.org.ua> ????? http://tfr.org/cisco-ios/ ??? ???? ?????? ???????! On 26/11/2019 19:48, Igor Sviridov wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 06:31:32PM +0200, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> ????? ??? ????? ?????-?? ios, ? ??? ?? rutracker.org ? ???, ?? ????? IOS >> ? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? IOS'??. ????? ????, >> ??????? ????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? Google, ?? ??????? ????? >> ????????? ???????? http directories ??? ????????? ??, ??? ????? :) > > ? ???? ???? ???????? - ????? ????????? IOS ? ?????????????????? ??????. > ??? ???? ???????? ok. ?? ? ????? ???????? ???????????? SHA1 ?????? ??? ????????. > > --igor > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From abb at abbon.net Thu Nov 28 13:25:11 2019 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:25:11 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrRgtC+INGC0LDQutC+0Lkg0LTQtdCy0L7Qv9GBID8g?= =?utf-8?b?Oik=?= In-Reply-To: <1574688567.86787000.9gft52p2@frv34.fwdcdn.com> References: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> <99a7571b-f362-791f-5cfa-de8fc58b08b2@xlit.one> <1574685089.594641000.pnwah9l9@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <3895106e-5e50-df9f-dee9-988913275e1c@xlit.one> <1574688567.86787000.9gft52p2@frv34.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <3f928a15-b0d5-309f-a6a4-217c3d2893cd@abbon.net> ??????? ???? ???, ???????, ?? ???? ????? ?????-????? ???????. ??????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???, ???????, ????? ?????? ??????. ?? ????????? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????? ???? :) . ??? ??? ? ??????????: "?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????????????? (????????)". ???, ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????: ????? 4% ??-???????????? ??????????? ? ????????? ?????? ????????????? ??????????? ??????????? ?????????: https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/128642 25.11.2019 15:33, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > ??????, > >> ??, ?????? - ??? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ???????, ? ?? "human on a stick". > > ? ?? ?????? ????: ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????????????.?? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ?? ????? > ???? ? ????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????? ?????? ??? ????????. ? ??? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????? ???????????? - > ???????????????? ??????? ???? ???, ??? ??? ?????? ??????. > > /25 ????????? 2019, 14:48:40, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" >:/ > > > > On 25.11.2019 14:41, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ??????, >> >> > ???? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ????????????, ?? ? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ?????. >> >> ??? ? ??? ?????. ?????????? ???????????? ????????. ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ???????????? ??,???????? - >> ???????? ? ???? ????????????. ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ??????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ???????? >> ? ???? ??????? - ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ? ?????????????. > > ????????? ??????? ??????????? - ??? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????. ? ? ???, ??? ?????? "??????" ?????? > ?????????????? ???????????????? ??????????????? ????????. ???? ??? "? ??????????? FreeBSD, Exim ? MPPP ? ?? ???????? > ??? ??????, ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????????" - ?? ??? ???????????? (?? ???? ??????? ????? ?????) ???????? :-) > >> ?????? ???????? ??????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ????? ????????????? ???????????? ??????????. >> >> ? ?????? ???????, ??? ??: ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?????????, ?????? ???: >> >> 1. ??? ??????? ?????????????, ????? - ??????? ????????? ????? ????????, ??? ???????? ??? "?????? ????" ? ????? >> ??? ???? ???????? - ??? ????? ??????? ??????? ?????????, ????? ?????, ??? ?????????? >> 2. ?? ????? ??? ???????????? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ???????, ??????? ? ??????? >> 3. ?? ????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????????? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ????????? >> (??????-??), ????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ???????? >> 4. ?? ????????? ????????, ????????? ????????????? ? ???????????? "???????" ?????/??????? >> 5. ???? ????? ???????? ????, ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????, ????? ??? "????", ?????????????? ????? ????? >> "?????? ?? ????????" ? ????? ?????????? ? ??????????? ???????????????? ???????????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ?? >> ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ? ?-??. >> > > ??, ?????? - ??? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ???????, ? ?? "human on a stick". > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From basil at vpm.net.ua Thu Nov 28 19:55:06 2019 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:55:06 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrRgtC+INGC0LDQutC+0Lkg0LTQtdCy0L7Qv9GBID8g?= =?utf-8?b?Oik=?= In-Reply-To: <3f928a15-b0d5-309f-a6a4-217c3d2893cd@abbon.net> References: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> <99a7571b-f362-791f-5cfa-de8fc58b08b2@xlit.one> <1574685089.594641000.pnwah9l9@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <3895106e-5e50-df9f-dee9-988913275e1c@xlit.one> <1574688567.86787000.9gft52p2@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <3f928a15-b0d5-309f-a6a4-217c3d2893cd@abbon.net> Message-ID: ???, ?????? ????? ??????? !!! - ??????????? ? ???????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????... ??, 28 ????. 2019 ?. ? 13:25, Alexandr Baryshnyev : > > ??????? ???? ???, > > ???????, ?? ???? ????? ?????-????? ???????. > ??????? ??????, ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ???, ???????, ????? ?????? ??????. ?? ????????? ?? > ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????? ???? :) . > ??? ??? ? ??????????: "?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ????????????? (????????)". > > ???, ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????: > ????? 4% ??-???????????? ??????????? ? ????????? ?????? ????????????? ??????????? ??????????? > ?????????: https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/128642 > > 25.11.2019 15:33, Vladimir Sharun ?????: > > ??????, > > > >> ??, ?????? - ??? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ???????, ? ?? "human on a stick". > > > > ? ?? ?????? ????: ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????????????. ? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ?? ????? > > ???? ? ????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????? ?????? ??? ????????. ? ??? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????? ???????????? - > > ??? ???????????? ??????? ???? ???, ??? ??? ?????? ??????. > > > > /25 ????????? 2019, 14:48:40, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" >:/ > > > > > > > > On 25.11.2019 14:41, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > >> ??????, > >> > >> > ???? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ????????????, ?? ? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ?????. > >> > >> ??? ? ??? ?????. ?????????? ???????????? ????????. ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ???????????? ??,???????? - > >> ???????? ? ???? ????????????. ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ??????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ???????? > >> ? ???? ??????? - ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ? ?????????????. > > > > ????????? ??????? ??????????? - ??? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????. ? ? ???, ??? ?????? "??????" ?????? > > ?????????????? ???????????????? ??????????????? ????????. ???? ??? "? ??????????? FreeBSD, Exim ? MPPP ? ?? ???????? > > ??? ??????, ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????????" - ?? ??? ???????????? (?? ???? ??????? ????? ?????) ???????? :-) > > > >> ?????? ???????? ??????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ????? ????????????? ???????????? ??????????. > >> > >> ? ?????? ???????, ??? ??: ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?????????, ?????? ???: > >> > >> 1. ??? ??????? ?????????????, ????? - ??????? ????????? ????? ????????, ??? ???????? ??? "?????? ????" ? ????? > >> ??? ???? ???????? - ??? ????? ??????? ??????? ?????????, ????? ?????, ??? ?????????? > >> 2. ?? ????? ??? ???????????? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ???????, ??????? ? ??????? > >> 3. ?? ????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????????? ?? ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ????????? > >> (??????-??), ????? ???????????? ?????? ??????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ???????? > >> 4. ?? ????????? ????????, ????????? ????????????? ? ???????????? "???????" ?????/??????? > >> 5. ???? ????? ???????? ????, ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????, ????? ??? "????", ?????????????? ????? ????? > >> "?????? ?? ????????" ? ????? ?????????? ? ??????????? ???????????????? ???????????? ??? ??????????, ?????? ?? > >> ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ? ?-??. > >> > > > > ??, ?????? - ??? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ???????, ? ?? "human on a stick". > > > > -- > > Volodymyr Litovka > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > -- > Best regards, > Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From hunter at comsys.com.ua Thu Nov 28 20:14:51 2019 From: hunter at comsys.com.ua (Sergii Smitiienko) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 20:14:51 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JrRgtC+INGC0LDQutC+0Lkg0LTQtdCy0L7Qv9GBID8g?= =?utf-8?b?Oik=?= In-Reply-To: <3f928a15-b0d5-309f-a6a4-217c3d2893cd@abbon.net> References: <1be76341-e5c6-e7f5-996b-be20d130d705@abbon.net> <99a7571b-f362-791f-5cfa-de8fc58b08b2@xlit.one> <1574685089.594641000.pnwah9l9@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <3895106e-5e50-df9f-dee9-988913275e1c@xlit.one> <1574688567.86787000.9gft52p2@frv34.fwdcdn.com> <3f928a15-b0d5-309f-a6a4-217c3d2893cd@abbon.net> Message-ID: <6d2e556f-c8e4-a7c7-309e-7b77a6e3af64@comsys.com.ua> ??????. ??????? ?? ??????????. ? ????????? https://news.microsoft.com/europe/features/up-skilling-is-crucial-to-maintain-digital-transformation-acceleration-a-new-central-and-eastern-europe-survey-finds/ ??????? "only 3.5% of employees in CEE today fully meet digital skills needs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https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/128642 > > 25.11.2019 15:33, Vladimir Sharun ?????: >> ??????, >> >>> ??, ?????? - ??? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ???????, ? ?? "human on a stick". >> >> ? ?? ?????? ????: ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????????????. ? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ?? ????? ???? ? ????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????? ?????? ??? ????????. ? ??? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????? ???????????? - ??? ???????????? ??????? ???? ???, ??? ??? ?????? ??????. >>>???? ??????, >>> >>>???? > ???? ? ??????? ??? ??????? ????????????, ?? ? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ?????. >>> >>>???? ??? ? ??? ?????. ?????????? ???????????? ????????. ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ???????????? ??,???????? - >>>???? ???????? ? ???? ????????????. ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ????? ???? ?? ????????? ??????, ???? ?? ??????? ? ???????? >>>???? ? ???? ??????? - ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ? ?????????????. >> >>???? ????????? ??????? ??????????? - ??? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????. ? ? ???, ??? ?????? "??????" ?????? >>???? ?????????????? ???????????????? ??????????????? ????????. ???? ??? "? ??????????? FreeBSD, Exim ? 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