From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 15:17:55 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:17:55 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/RltC00LrQsNC20ZbRgtGMINCyINGH0L7QvNGDINGA?= =?utf-8?b?0ZbQt9C90LjRhtGPINC80ZbQtiBTRlAgbmV0d29yayBtb2R1bGUgUy1S?= =?utf-8?b?SjAxINGC0LAg0ZbQvdGC0LXQs9GA0L7QstCw0L3QuNC8IEV0aGVyLdC/?= =?utf-8?b?0L7RgNGC0L7QvCDQsiBNaWtyb3RpayBSQjc2MWlHUw==?= Message-ID: ???? ??????? ??? ? ?????? ????! ????? ????? ????? ???????? TP-Link 842ND ?? ???? ????????? ??? ???????? Mikrotik RB761 iGS. ? ????????? ? ????????? ???????? ether-?????? ?? ISP. ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ? SFP network module S-RJ01 (ethernet), ???????, ?? ????????, MAC-address ?? ??????? ether-????? ???????? - ? ??????. ???????? ? data-?????? ????????????, dhcp-?????? ISP ?? ????? ??????? ?????? IP (??????? ISP ? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ????????), ? ??? dhcp-?????? ???? ?? ??????. ? ???, ? ??? ?????? ??? - ??. ???????? ??????????? ? ????????? "??????????" ether-???? ??????? (??????, ?????????? ????? ????????? ?? ????? ????? ???-??????) - ? ??? ?? ??????? ?????????. ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ????? ?????? ????? ?? ?. ??? ?? ? ?? ????... ??????? ISP ?? ??????, ?? ? ???? ???????, ?? ????????? ???? ???????? ??????????. ?? SFP S-RJ01 ????? ? ???? ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ???? ???????. ????????? ?? ???? ????. ?? ????? ?? ???? :) ???????????? ?? SFP-module, ?? "???????????" ether-????? ??? ???? ????????? ?? ????????. ?????? ?? ??????? ? LAN ?????. ?????? ??????? ? WAN-?????. ?????? ?? ????????? ? bridge, ?? ??"???????? ????-????? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ???????????. ?????? ?? ?????????? ? Firewall/NAT... ?? ???? ?????? ?????????? policy etc. -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Sun Jan 3 15:30:07 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:30:07 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/RltC00LrQsNC20ZbRgtGMINCyINGH0L7QvNGDINGA?= =?utf-8?b?0ZbQt9C90LjRhtGPINC80ZbQtiBTRlAgbmV0d29yayBtb2R1bGUgUy1S?= =?utf-8?b?SjAxINGC0LAg0ZbQvdGC0LXQs9GA0L7QstCw0L3QuNC8IEV0aGVyLdC/?= =?utf-8?b?0L7RgNGC0L7QvCDQsiBNaWtyb3RpayBSQjc2MWlHUw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ????? ????????: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=126074 ??, 3 ???. 2021 ? 15:17 Oleh Hrynchuk ????: > ???? ??????? ??? ? ?????? ????! > > ????? ????? ????? ???????? TP-Link 842ND ?? ???? ????????? ??? > ???????? Mikrotik RB761 iGS. > ? ????????? ? ????????? ???????? ether-?????? ?? ISP. > > ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ? SFP network module S-RJ01 (ethernet), > ???????, ?? ????????, MAC-address ?? ??????? ether-????? ???????? - ? > ??????. ???????? ? data-?????? ????????????, dhcp-?????? ISP ?? ????? > ??????? ?????? IP (??????? ISP ? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ????????), ? ??? > dhcp-?????? ???? ?? ??????. ? ???, ? ??? ?????? ??? - ??. > ???????? ??????????? ? ????????? "??????????" ether-???? ??????? (??????, > ?????????? ????? ????????? ?? ????? ????? ???-??????) - ? ??? ?? ??????? > ?????????. ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ????? ?????? ????? ?? ?. ??? ?? ? > ?? ????... > > ??????? ISP ?? ??????, ?? ? ???? ???????, ?? ????????? ???? ???????? > ??????????. ?? SFP S-RJ01 ????? ? ???? ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ???? > ???????. > > ????????? ?? ???? ????. ?? ????? ?? ???? :) > ???????????? ?? SFP-module, ?? "???????????" ether-????? ??? ???? > ????????? ?? ????????. > ?????? ?? ??????? ? LAN ?????. ?????? ??????? ? WAN-?????. ?????? ?? > ????????? ? bridge, ?? ??"???????? ????-????? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? > ???????????. ?????? ?? ?????????? ? Firewall/NAT... ?? ???? ?????? > ?????????? policy etc. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 07:45:07 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:45:07 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/RltC00LrQsNC20ZbRgtGMINCyINGH0L7QvNGDINGA?= =?utf-8?b?0ZbQt9C90LjRhtGPINC80ZbQtiBTRlAgbmV0d29yayBtb2R1bGUgUy1S?= =?utf-8?b?SjAxINGC0LAg0ZbQvdGC0LXQs9GA0L7QstCw0L3QuNC8IEV0aGVyLdC/?= =?utf-8?b?0L7RgNGC0L7QvCDQsiBNaWtyb3RpayBSQjc2MWlHUw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ??? ???? ??????? ?????????? SFP ?????? S-RJ01 ??? ???????: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik_SFP_module_compatibility_table#S-RJ01 ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? Mikrotik R760iGS (aka hEX S model) ?? ?????????? ??????, ???? 1 ??/???. ?????... ??, 3 ???. 2021 ? 15:30 Oleh Hrynchuk ????: > ????? ????????: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=126074 > > > ??, 3 ???. 2021 ? 15:17 Oleh Hrynchuk ????: > >> ???? ??????? ??? ? ?????? ????! >> >> ????? ????? ????? ???????? TP-Link 842ND ?? ???? ????????? ??? >> ???????? Mikrotik RB761 iGS. >> ? ????????? ? ????????? ???????? ether-?????? ?? ISP. >> >> ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ? SFP network module S-RJ01 (ethernet), >> ???????, ?? ????????, MAC-address ?? ??????? ether-????? ???????? - ? >> ??????. ???????? ? data-?????? ????????????, dhcp-?????? ISP ?? ????? >> ??????? ?????? IP (??????? ISP ? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ????????), ? ??? >> dhcp-?????? ???? ?? ??????. ? ???, ? ??? ?????? ??? - ??. >> ???????? ??????????? ? ????????? "??????????" ether-???? ??????? (??????, >> ?????????? ????? ????????? ?? ????? ????? ???-??????) - ? ??? ?? ??????? >> ?????????. ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ????? ?????? ????? ?? ?. ??? ?? ? >> ?? ????... >> >> ??????? ISP ?? ??????, ?? ? ???? ???????, ?? ????????? ???? ???????? >> ??????????. ?? SFP S-RJ01 ????? ? ???? ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ???? >> ???????. >> >> ????????? ?? ???? ????. ?? ????? ?? ???? :) >> ???????????? ?? SFP-module, ?? "???????????" ether-????? ??? ???? >> ????????? ?? ????????. >> ?????? ?? ??????? ? LAN ?????. ?????? ??????? ? WAN-?????. ?????? ?? >> ????????? ? bridge, ?? ??"???????? ????-????? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? >> ???????????. ?????? ?? ?????????? ? Firewall/NAT... ?? ???? ?????? >> ?????????? policy etc. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> /oleh hrynchuk >> > > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basil at vpm.net.ua Thu Jan 7 19:17:02 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 19:17:02 +0200 Subject: [uanog] systemd security Message-ID: Hi all ??? ??? ????????????, ? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ? ?? ?????. ???? rsync, ?????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ?????? 7, ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????. ???????? /var/lib , ????? ? ???????, ??????? ????? ????? - ? ??? ????? ???????, ?? ???? ? ???, ??? ?????-?? ?????????? ?? ??????, ? ?????-?? ???. rsync rsync://db65/var_lib/ rsync: readlink_stat("pgsql" (in var_lib)) failed: Permission denied (13) drwxr-xr-x 4,096 2017/08/03 03:45:38 cs drwxr-xr-x 4,096 2020/11/03 03:01:28 initramfs rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1837) [generator=3.2.3] ??? ??? ??????????, ???? rsync ??????????? ?? systemd , ???? ????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??????? - ?? ?? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ? ?????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? ??????? ? ????? ???????. ? ???????, ??? ??? ?????-?? ???????????? ?????????????? systemd, ?????-?? ??????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ? /var/lib , ?? ??? ??????? rsync ? /var/lib ? ??? ? ?? ??????????. ?.?. ???????, ??? ????? ? ???? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ??????, ?? ??? ?? ???????? ?? ?????? - ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ??????????? ? ???????? ????????? ???????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yz at yz.kiev.ua Thu Jan 7 22:56:19 2021 From: yz at yz.kiev.ua (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:56:19 +0200 Subject: [uanog] systemd security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20210107205619.GY65029@yz.kiev.ua> Hello! On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 at 19:17:02 (+0200), VASYL MELNYK wrote: > ? ???????, ??? ??? ?????-?? ???????????? ?????????????? systemd, ?????-?? > ??????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ? /var/lib , ?? ??? ??????? rsync ? > /var/lib ? ??? ? ?? ??????????. ??????? ? ????: selinux? -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From basil at vpm.net.ua Sat Jan 9 08:44:52 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 08:44:52 +0200 Subject: [uanog] systemd security In-Reply-To: <20210107205619.GY65029@yz.kiev.ua> References: <20210107205619.GY65029@yz.kiev.ua> Message-ID: ??, 7 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:56, George L. Yermulnik : > Hello! > > On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 at 19:17:02 (+0200), VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > > ? ???????, ??? ??? ?????-?? ???????????? ?????????????? systemd, ?????-?? > > ??????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ? /var/lib , ?? ??? ??????? rsync ? > > /var/lib ? ??? ? ?? ??????????. > > ??????? ? ????: selinux? > ? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? - ????????. ?? ???????, ???? ???. ? ???? ???????? ?? ???, ?? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???. ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? - ? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpodgorny at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:37:31 2021 From: vpodgorny at gmail.com (Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:37:31 +0200 Subject: [uanog] systemd security In-Reply-To: References: <20210107205619.GY65029@yz.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <41037efa-92a2-5bc8-c3a6-f0b0bd869a1f@gmail.com> ???????????. ?? ????? ???????? ??? ???????. ?????????? ??????? ???? ? selinux=0 (??. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ? /etc/sysconfig/grub). ? ???????? ??? ??? ????????????? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?????. 09.01.2021 08:44, VASYL MELNYK ?????: > > > ??, 7 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:56, George L. Yermulnik >: > > Hello! > > On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 at 19:17:02 (+0200), VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > > ? ???????, ??? ??? ?????-?? ???????????? ?????????????? systemd, > ?????-?? > > ??????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ? /var/lib , ?? ??? ??????? > rsync ? > > /var/lib ? ??? ? ?? ??????????. > > ??????? ? ????: selinux? > > > ? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? - ????????. > > ?? ???????, ???? ???. ? ???? ???????? ?? ???, ?? ?????????? ?? > ?????????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???. ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? > - ? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????. > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From doka at xlit.one Tue Jan 12 18:55:09 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:55:09 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? Message-ID: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> ??????, ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????????: +-----------+ | REST API | +--+-----+--+ | | PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) | | v v +---+-----+---+ UDP | | Output --------->+ MyApp +-----------> | | +-------------+ ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: * multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? o ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? ????????????? o ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ;-) * multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: o ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????, ?????????????? UDP? o ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? * python asyncio o ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? o ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????! -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Tue Jan 12 19:12:32 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:12:32 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> Message-ID: <1610470996.960569000.xte76fq6@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????. ???? ????????: ?? ?????? UDP ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????????? ?? ????????? ?? ????/????????_?_???? ? ??? ??? ? ????? ????? UDP ???????/?, ???????, ???? ???-?? ???????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ??? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ? ???? ? ? ???? ? ????, ?????? ??? ??? ??? "????????? ?????? ? ??? ???????? ?????" - ????? ?????? ??????????????? (???? ???@????, ???? ?? ??? ????????????????????? ? ?.?.) ? ? ???? ????, ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? -? ?++/????????/???????, ???????? ?????? ??? - nginx. ??, ? inram cache - ??? ???? ????? ? ????. 12 ????? 2021, 18:55:22, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ??????, ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????????: +-----------+ | REST API | +--+-----+--+ | | PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) | | v v +---+-----+---+ UDP | | Output --------->+ MyApp +-----------> | | +-------------+ ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? ????????????? ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ;-) multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????, ?????????????? UDP? ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? python asyncio ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????! -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lystor at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 19:19:44 2021 From: lystor at gmail.com (Mykola Ulianytskyi) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:19:44 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> Message-ID: > ??? ???????? C++ / C# / Java Multithreading ? ?????? - ??? ????????????? https://wiki.python.org/moin/GlobalInterpreterLock -- Best regards, Mykola On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:55 PM Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ??????, > > ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? > > ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? > ??????????: > > +-----------+ > | REST API | > +--+-----+--+ > | | > PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) > | | > v v > +---+-----+---+ > UDP | | Output > --------->+ MyApp +-----------> > | | > +-------------+ > > > ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? ????????? > ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? SQL - ??? ??????? > ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs > > ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????, > ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? > REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP > (PUSH NFYs) > > ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????????? > ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - > > 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? ?? > ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? > ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) > 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? UDP > (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? ??? ???? ?? > ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs > > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? > ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: > > - multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? > - ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU > resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? ????????????? > - ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? > ;-) > - multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? > "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: > - ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? TCP > listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????, > ?????????????? UDP? > - ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? > multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? > - python asyncio > - ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? > ??????????? ?????????? > - ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? > > ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? > ????????? ??? ??????? > > ???????! > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at xlit.one Tue Jan 12 22:47:24 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 22:47:24 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <1610470996.960569000.xte76fq6@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <1610470996.960569000.xte76fq6@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <4de7e6b0-0518-59e0-b690-f1e6166d8db0@xlit.one> ??????, On 12.01.2021 19:12, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????. ???? ????????: > > 1. ?? ?????? UDP ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????????? ?? > ????????? ?? ????/????????_?_???? ? ??? ??? ? > ?????? ????? - ??? ????????? ??????, ????????? ?? 4-? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? if ? ??????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?, ?????????? ??????????? ?? local cache, ?????? ? output ???-?? ???? while True: data, address = lsock.recvfrom(1024) try: a, b, c, d = [i.strip()) for i in data.decode().split(',)] a = int(a) if a == 255: if not b.isnumeric(): continue va = memcached.get(b) if va: ?IPAddress(c) d = int(d) # we're here because no exception above data = b.decode() + socket.inet_aton(c) + d.from_bytes(2, 'big) + va for r in remotes: rsock.send(data, r) # output UDP elif a in [3, 5, 7]: # smth else ... except: pass ??????? - ??? ??????????? ??? ??? ? ?????????, ?????? ??????? ? ?????????????, ?????? ... > 1. ????? ????? UDP ???????/?, ???????, ???? ???-?? ???????? ??????? ? > ? (???????) ???????, ??? ????????? ????? pps ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????? (? ???? ??? ????????? ????? ? ????????????? ?? ?? ????), ? ????? ???? ?? - > On 12.01.2021 19:19, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote: >> ? > ??? ???????? >> >> C++ / C# / Java ???? ?? Java > ???????? ????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ??? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? > ?????? ???????? ? ???? ? ? ???? ? ????, ?????? ??? ??? ??? "????????? > ?????? ? ??? ???????? ?????" - ????? ?????? ??????????????? (???? > ???@????, ???? ?? ??? ????????????????????? ? ?.?.) ? ? ???? ????, ? > ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ??????? > ???? ??? ????? ??????? - ?++/????????/???????, ???????? ?????? ??? - > nginx. ?? nginx - ??? ??????-?????-???????? ????????? ?? ????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ???? :) > ??, ? inram cache - ??? ???? ????? ? ????. ? ????? ???????? ????????????? > > /12 ????? 2021, 18:55:22, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" >:/ > > ??????, > ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? > ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? > ?????????? ??????????: > > +-----------+ > | REST API | > +--+-----+--+ > | | > PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) > | | > v v > +---+-----+---+ > UDP | | Output > --------->+ MyApp +-----------> > | | > +-------------+ > > ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? > ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? > ? SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs > ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? > ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, > ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? > ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) > ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? > ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? > ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - > 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? > ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? > ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) > 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? > ????? UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), > ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? > ??????????? ? ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: > > * multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? > o ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? > CPU resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? > ????????????? > o ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? > ??????? ;-) > * multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? > "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? > ????????), ??: > o ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? > TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? > ?????? ?????, ?????????????? UDP? > o ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? > multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? > * python asyncio > o ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? > ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? > o ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? > > ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? > ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? > ???????! > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lystor at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 09:11:39 2021 From: lystor at gmail.com (Mykola Ulianytskyi) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:11:39 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <4de7e6b0-0518-59e0-b690-f1e6166d8db0@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <1610470996.960569000.xte76fq6@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <4de7e6b0-0518-59e0-b690-f1e6166d8db0@xlit.one> Message-ID: > ? ????? ???????? ????????????? Redis -- Best regards, Mykola -- Best regards, Mykola On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:47 PM Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ??????, > > On 12.01.2021 19:12, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????. ???? ????????: > > ?? ?????? UDP ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????????? ?? ????????? ?? ????/????????_?_???? ? ??? ??? ? > > ?????? ????? - ??? ????????? ??????, ????????? ?? 4-? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? if ? ??????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?, ?????????? ??????????? ?? local cache, ?????? ? output > > ???-?? ???? > > while True: > data, address = lsock.recvfrom(1024) > try: > a, b, c, d = [i.strip()) for i in data.decode().split(',)] > a = int(a) > if a == 255: > if not b.isnumeric(): > continue > va = memcached.get(b) > if va: > IPAddress(c) > d = int(d) > # we're here because no exception above > data = b.decode() + socket.inet_aton(c) + d.from_bytes(2, 'big) + va > for r in remotes: > rsock.send(data, r) # output UDP > elif a in [3, 5, 7]: > # smth else > ... > except: > pass > > ??????? - ??? ??????????? ??? ??? ? ?????????, ?????? ??????? ? ?????????????, ?????? ... > > ????? ????? UDP ???????/?, ???????, ???? ???-?? ???????? ??????? ? > > ? (???????) ???????, ??? ????????? ????? pps ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????? (? ???? ??? ????????? ????? ? ????????????? ?? ?? ????), ? ????? ???? ?? - > > On 12.01.2021 19:19, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote: > > > ??? ???????? > > C++ / C# / Java > > ???? ?? Java > > > ???????? ????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ??? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ? ???? ? ? ???? ? ????, ?????? ??? ??? ??? "????????? ?????? ? ??? ???????? ?????" - ????? ?????? ??????????????? (???? ???@????, ???? ?? ??? ????????????????????? ? ?.?.) ? ? ???? ????, ? ?????? ?????? > > ???? ????? ?????, ??????? > > > ???? ??? ????? ??????? - ?++/????????/???????, ???????? ?????? ??? - nginx. > > ?? nginx - ??? ??????-?????-???????? ????????? ?? ????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ???? :) > > > ??, ? inram cache - ??? ???? ????? ? ????. > > ? ????? ???????? ????????????? > > > > 12 ????? 2021, 18:55:22, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : > > ??????, > ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? > ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????????: > > +-----------+ > | REST API | > +--+-----+--+ > | | > PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) > | | > v v > +---+-----+---+ > UDP | | Output > --------->+ MyApp +-----------> > | | > +-------------+ > > ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs > ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) > ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - > 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) > 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: > > multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? > > ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? ????????????? > ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ;-) > > multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: > > ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????, ?????????????? UDP? > ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? > > python asyncio > > ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? > ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? > > ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? > ???????! > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From doka at xlit.one Wed Jan 13 09:18:57 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:18:57 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E74EB78-83DB-43DC-A386-1BE3AA9A7BD7@xlit.one> > On 13 Jan 2021, at 09:11, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote: > >> ? ????? ???????? ????????????? > > Redis ?????... ?? ??, ???? ?? ????????? :-) > > -- > Best regards, > Mykola > > -- > Best regards, > Mykola > > >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:47 PM Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> ??????, >> >> On 12.01.2021 19:12, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> >> ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????. ???? ????????: >> >> ?? ?????? UDP ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????????? ?? ????????? ?? ????/????????_?_???? ? ??? ??? ? >> >> ?????? ????? - ??? ????????? ??????, ????????? ?? 4-? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? if ? ??????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?, ?????????? ??????????? ?? local cache, ?????? ? output >> >> ???-?? ???? >> >> while True: >> data, address = lsock.recvfrom(1024) >> try: >> a, b, c, d = [i.strip()) for i in data.decode().split(',)] >> a = int(a) >> if a == 255: >> if not b.isnumeric(): >> continue >> va = memcached.get(b) >> if va: >> IPAddress(c) >> d = int(d) >> # we're here because no exception above >> data = b.decode() + socket.inet_aton(c) + d.from_bytes(2, 'big) + va >> for r in remotes: >> rsock.send(data, r) # output UDP >> elif a in [3, 5, 7]: >> # smth else >> ... >> except: >> pass >> >> ??????? - ??? ??????????? ??? ??? ? ?????????, ?????? ??????? ? ?????????????, ?????? ... >> >> ????? ????? UDP ???????/?, ???????, ???? ???-?? ???????? ??????? ? >> >> ? (???????) ???????, ??? ????????? ????? pps ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????? (? ???? ??? ????????? ????? ? ????????????? ?? ?? ????), ? ????? ???? ?? - >> >>> On 12.01.2021 19:19, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote: >>> >>> ??? ???????? >> >> C++ / C# / Java >> >> ???? ?? Java >> >> >> ???????? ????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ??? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ? ???? ? ? ???? ? ????, ?????? ??? ??? ??? "????????? ?????? ? ??? ???????? ?????" - ????? ?????? ??????????????? (???? ???@????, ???? ?? ??? ????????????????????? ? ?.?.) ? ? ???? ????, ? ?????? ?????? >> >> ???? ????? ?????, ??????? >> >> >> ???? ??? ????? ??????? - ?++/????????/???????, ???????? ?????? ??? - nginx. >> >> ?? nginx - ??? ??????-?????-???????? ????????? ?? ????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ???? :) >> >> >> ??, ? inram cache - ??? ???? ????? ? ????. >> >> ? ????? ???????? ????????????? >> >> >> >> 12 ????? 2021, 18:55:22, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : >> >> ??????, >> ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? >> ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????????: >> >> +-----------+ >> | REST API | >> +--+-----+--+ >> | | >> PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) >> | | >> v v >> +---+-----+---+ >> UDP | | Output >> --------->+ MyApp +-----------> >> | | >> +-------------+ >> >> ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs >> ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) >> ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - >> 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) >> 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs >> ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: >> >> multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? >> >> ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? ????????????? >> ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ;-) >> >> multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: >> >> ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????, ?????????????? UDP? >> ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? >> >> python asyncio >> >> ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? >> ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? >> >> ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? >> ???????! >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Wed Jan 13 11:26:12 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:26:12 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <4de7e6b0-0518-59e0-b690-f1e6166d8db0@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <1610470996.960569000.xte76fq6@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <4de7e6b0-0518-59e0-b690-f1e6166d8db0@xlit.one> Message-ID: <1610525518.533964000.ddaxh9ul@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, 12 ????? 2021, 22:47:34, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ??????, On 12.01.2021 19:12, Vladimir Sharun wrote: ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????. ???? ????????: ?? ?????? UDP ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????????? ?? ????????? ?? ????/????????_?_???? ? ??? ??? ? ?????? ????? - ??? ????????? ??????, ????????? ?? 4-? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? if ? ??????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?, ?????????? ??????????? ?? local cache, ?????? ? output ???-?? ???? while True: data, address = lsock.recvfrom(1024) try: a, b, c, d = [i.strip()) for i in data.decode().split(',)] a = int(a) if a == 255: if not b.isnumeric(): continue va = memcached.get(b) if va: ?IPAddress(c) d = int(d) # we're here because no exception above data = b.decode() + socket.inet_aton(c) + d.from_bytes(2, 'big) + va for r in remotes: rsock.send(data, r) # output UDP elif a in [3, 5, 7]: # smth else ... except: pass memcache - ??? TCP, ????? ????? ???? ??????????????, ????? ? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? - ???????? ??????, ???????, ?????????, ??????????. ?.?. ??? ?????? ???? ?????-?? pipeline, ? ??????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????. ??????? ?????, ???????-?????????-?????????? - ??? ?? 50-60??? ?? ???????. ???????????? ? ??????????? - ??? ???? ??????????? ??????. ?.?. ???????????? ??? - ??? ?? ??????. ??, ? inram cache - ??? ???? ????? ? ????. ? ????? ???????? ????????????? ??? ?? ? ????????????, ? ? ??????????. ?????? ???????? ????? ????????? (?? ????????????, ? ???????????) ? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at xlit.one Wed Jan 13 11:47:45 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:47:45 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <1610525518.533964000.ddaxh9ul@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <1610470996.960569000.xte76fq6@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <4de7e6b0-0518-59e0-b690-f1e6166d8db0@xlit.one> <1610525518.533964000.ddaxh9ul@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <3481a81d-1f1e-2b6f-81ad-4960dd9531e4@xlit.one> ??????, On 13.01.2021 11:26, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????????. ???? ????????: >> >> 1. ?? ?????? UDP ????? ???? ????????? ???????, ??????????? ?? >> ????????? ?? ????/????????_?_???? ? ??? ??? ? >> > ?????? ????? - ??? ????????? ??????, ????????? ?? 4-? ?????, ?? > ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? if ? ??????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????? > ???????? ?? ?????????? ?, ?????????? ??????????? ?? local cache, > ?????? ? output > ???-?? ???? > > while True: > data, address = lsock.recvfrom(1024) > try: > a, b, c, d = [i.strip()) for i in data.decode().split(',)] > a = int(a) > if a == 255: > if not b.isnumeric(): > continue > va = memcached.get(b) > if va: > ?IPAddress(c) > d = int(d) > # we're here because no exception above > data = b.decode() + socket.inet_aton(c) + d.from_bytes(2, 'big) + va > for r in remotes: > rsock.send(data, r) # output UDP > elif a in [3, 5, 7]: > # smth else > ... > except: > pass > > > memcache - ??? *TCP*, ????? ????? ???? ??????????????, ????? ? ???? ?? > ??? ?????? ?????? - ???????? ??????, ???????, ?????????, ??????????. > ?.?. ??? ?????? ???? ?????-?? pipeline, ? ??????? ????????? ?????? > ??????? ? ???????. ??????? ?????, ???????-?????????-?????????? - ??? > ?? 50-60??? ?? ???????. ??, ?? ??? (?) ? ???? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ? (?) ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? ????? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_in-memory_databases - ? Redis ???? ?? ???, ?? > ???????????? ? ??????????? - ??? ???? ??????????? ??????. ?.?. > ???????????? ??? - ??? ?? ??????. ??? ?????, ? ??? ???? int - ????? :) ???? ?? ??? ?????? "IPAddress(c)", ?? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ???????? ???????????? ????????? - ????? ????? ???????, ?? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???: ipa = IPAddress(c) af = socket.AF_INET6 if ipa.version == 6 else socket.AF_INET ... socket.inet_atop(af, c), ... ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??? match: if re.match(v4, ...): ? af = socket.AF_INET elif re.match(v6, ...) ? af = socket.AF_INET6 else: ? continue ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? :) >> ??, ? inram cache - ??? ???? ????? ? ????. > ? ????? ???????? ????????????? > > > ??? ?? ? ????????????, ? ? ??????????. ?????? ???????? ????? ????????? > (?? ????????????, ? ???????????) ? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?????? in-ram :) ?, ??????????, ?????? ??????? ? ???????????? ?????? ??????? "??? ?????? ????????? in-ram cache" - ?????? ??? ??? ?? memcached :) ???? ?? ???????? ? "??? ?? ????? ?????? ??????", ?? ? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ?? ??????? ? memcached.service ???-?? ?? ?????? PostExec = "myapp restart" :-) ??????????, ??????????? ? ????????? ??????: * ???? ?? ? ???? ????? ???????? ????????? kpps ????? ?????? ?? ??????? * ??? ????????? ?????????????? ??? ??????: o ??????? computing + ????????????? Net I/O o ????? ??????? Net I/O + ????????????? Net I/O + ????? select() ?????? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Wed Jan 13 11:57:32 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:57:32 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <3481a81d-1f1e-2b6f-81ad-4960dd9531e4@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <1610470996.960569000.xte76fq6@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <4de7e6b0-0518-59e0-b690-f1e6166d8db0@xlit.one> <1610525518.533964000.ddaxh9ul@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <3481a81d-1f1e-2b6f-81ad-4960dd9531e4@xlit.one> Message-ID: <1610531461.95387000.ryfw9dsc@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??????????, ??????????? ? ????????? ??????: ???? ?? ? ???? ????? ???????? ????????? kpps ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????????????? ??? ??????: ??????? computing + ????????????? Net I/O ????? ??????? Net I/O + ????????????? Net I/O ????? select() ?????? ?? ? ???? ?????? proof of concept: ???????? ???????, ????????? ? ???????, ???? ??????-?????? ????, ?? ? ? dtrace probe'???. ????? ??????????? ???????? ? ????????? ????? ?? ???? ??????. ????? ???????? PoC, ????? ????? ??? ?? ?????????. ?? ???? ???? ??????? ? ?????????? ????: ?? ??????? PoC (????????), ? ??? ? ??? ? ??? ?????? ? ) ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????????? ??????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Wed Jan 13 16:55:48 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 15:55:48 +0100 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> Message-ID: ??????! ???? ????? ???-?? ?????? ??? 1) ???? ???????? ???????? ?? REST? ? ???? 2) "?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API?, ?? ??? ??????? ? ???????????? ??????????? ??????? ?/??? REST API. ??, ?????? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ?????????. ???????, ? ?????? ????????, ? ?? ??? 1) ????????????? REST API ??? ??????????, ??? 2) ??????? ???? ???????" REST API ? ???????? ???? ????????? ???????????. ? ?????? ??????????? multiprocess ??????? ?.?. unix ??????? kill/top/nice/renice ??? ?????????? ??????? ???, ????????? ???????? ? ?????? complexity ????? ?? ?????. ????????? ????????? ? ??????????????/????????????? ??????? ????????? ??? locks, shared memory, stateful objects, mutable variables ? ?.?. ??????? ?????? ? ???????, ??????? ???? ? ????? ?????? ???-?? ?????????????. ???????, ???? ????? functional programming ???????? ?????? ?????????? ??????, ?? ????? ???? ? ?? ????????. ?????? On 12 Jan 2021, 17:55 +0100, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > ??????, > ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? > ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????????: > +-----------+ > | REST API | > +--+-----+--+ > | | > PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) > | | > v v > +---+-----+---+ > UDP | | Output > --------->+ MyApp +-----------> > | | > +-------------+ > > ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs > ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) > ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - > 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) > 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: > > ? multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? > ? ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? ????????????? > ? ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ;-) > ? multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: > ? ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????, ?????????????? UDP? > ? ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? > ? python asyncio > ? ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? > ? ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? > > ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? > ???????! > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at xlit.one Wed Jan 13 19:02:20 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:02:20 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> Message-ID: <6020bb1a-fa0f-812f-f794-cc3ce546e2be@xlit.one> On 13.01.2021 16:55, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ??????! > > ???? ????? ???-?? ?????? ??? 1) ???? ???????? ???????? ?? REST? ? ???? > 2) "?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API?, ?? ??? ??????? ? > ???????????? ??????????? ??????? ?/??? REST API. ??, ?????? > ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ?????????. ???????, ? ?????? ????????, ? > ?? ??? 1) ????????????? REST API ??? ??????????, ??? 2) ??????? ???? > ???????" REST API ? ???????? ???? ????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ???? "???????" ? ???????? in-memory db. ????? ??????? ???????. > > ?????? > On 12 Jan 2021, 17:55 +0100, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> >> ??????, >> >> ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? >> >> ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? >> ?????????? ??????????: >> >> +-----------+ >> | REST API | >> +--+-----+--+ >> | | >> PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) >> | | >> v v >> +---+-----+---+ >> UDP | | Output >> --------->+ MyApp +-----------> >> | | >> +-------------+ >> >> ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? >> ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? >> SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs >> >> ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? >> ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? >> ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? >> ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) >> >> ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? >> ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? >> ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - >> >> 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? >> ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? >> ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) >> 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? >> UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? >> ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs >> >> ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? >> ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: >> >> * multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? >> o ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU >> resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? >> ????????????? >> o ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? >> ??????? ;-) >> * multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? >> "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: >> o ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? >> TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? >> ?????, ?????????????? UDP? >> o ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? >> multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? >> * python asyncio >> o ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? >> ????? ??????????? ?????????? >> o ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? >> >> ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? >> ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? >> >> ???????! >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(: ???, ????????, ?? ?? ???? ???? ???????. ?? ? ??????? ?? ???????????? ???????. ? ????? ???????, ? ?????????? ???? ?????? ???????????. ? ?? ????? ????????? ??????? ? google maps ? ???????? ???? timeline: https://www.google.com/maps/timeline Best regards Alex On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 8:54 AM Oleh Hrynchuk wrote: > ??????? ???, ??????? ??????. > > ???????? ??????? Android App ?? ???????? ??????? GPS tracker. ?????, ? > ????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ???????, ???????? ??????? ???? > ????????-?????? etc. > ? ???? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? > ????????? - ??????? ?????? ????. > ?? ???? ????????? ? ???????????... > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Osmand ??? 9 ?????, ???? ??????? > ????, ?? ?? ????? ???? ???? - ???? ? ???? ? ????? ?? ??????. > > ?? ?????????? ??????????????? - ?? ???????: ?????, ????, ???????? ???? ? > > ? ?????????? ??? ???? ??????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????? ?? ????????????. > > ????????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? (????????? > ?? ????? ???? ??????????, ??????? ?????? ????????, ?? ??????, ?? ??????), > ??????? ??? ??? ?? ???, ???? ?? ?????. ????? ??? ??? ?????? - ? ????? ??? > ???? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ??????, ?? ? ????, ??? ??????? ??? ??? ? ???? > - ????? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ???? ?????. ???? ?????? "??????? ?? ???????", > ?? ? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? (google fit), ?????? ??????. ???? ????? > ????????, ??? ?????? ???????? - ?? ?? ???? ??????? (????? ???????? ? > ??????? ?????). > > *16 ????? 2021, 08:53:56, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" >:* > > ??????? ???, ??????? ??????. > > ???????? ??????? Android App ?? ???????? ??????? GPS tracker. ?????, ? > ????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ???????, ???????? ??????? ???? > ????????-?????? etc. > ? ???? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? > ????????? - ??????? ?????? ????. > ?? ???? ????????? ? ???????????... > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Sat Jan 16 16:16:14 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:16:14 +0100 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <6020bb1a-fa0f-812f-f794-cc3ce546e2be@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <6020bb1a-fa0f-812f-f794-cc3ce546e2be@xlit.one> Message-ID: <91af6952-639a-4293-8104-7b37aa770b27@Spark> ????????, ??? ????? ?????? ?????????/????????? ????????? ????? ?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???????: 1) upgrade 2) troubleshooting 3) monitoring 4) etc? ?????? On 13 Jan 2021, 18:02 +0100, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > On 13.01.2021 16:55, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ??????! > > > > ???? ????? ???-?? ?????? ??? 1) ???? ???????? ???????? ?? REST? ? ???? 2) "?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API?, ?? ??? ??????? ? ???????????? ??????????? ??????? ?/??? REST API. ??, ?????? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ?? ?????????. ???????, ? ?????? ????????, ? ?? ??? 1) ????????????? REST API ??? ??????????, ??? 2) ??????? ???? ???????" REST API ? ???????? ???? ????????? ???????????. > ??? ?? ???? "???????" ? ???????? in-memory db. ????? ??????? ???????. > > > > > ?????? > > On 12 Jan 2021, 17:55 +0100, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > > ??????, > > > ? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????????? ??????? > > > ???? ?????????? (e.g. MyApp), ??????? ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????????: > > > +-----------+ > > > | REST API | > > > +--+-----+--+ > > > | | > > > PUSH (TCP) | | GET (HTTP) > > > | | > > > v v > > > +---+-----+---+ > > > UDP | | Output > > > --------->+ MyApp +-----------> > > > | | > > > +-------------+ > > > > > > ????? UDP ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????????? RAW data. ??? ????????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????, ?????????? ? SQL - ??? ??????? ?? REST API, ? ?????????? - ?? TCP PUSH NFYs > > > ??? ???????? ???????? ?? REST ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????, ??? ?????? MyApp ????????? in-ram cache, ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? REST API ? ?????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? TCP (PUSH NFYs) > > > ????? ???????, ? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????????? ????????, ???? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ???????? - > > > 1) ????? - ?????????? ????? ????? ???? ?? REST API, ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs (??? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????) > > > 2) ???????? ???? ?????? - ?????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ????? UDP (? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???????????), ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????????????? TCP PUSH NFYs > > > ???? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????????. ??? ????????, ????? ? ????: > > > > > > ? multiprocess - ??? ????????? ?????????? > > > ? ??? ?????-????? ??????? - ??????? ???? ????? ???????????? CPU resources ????? ???????????? ?? ?????????? + ??????? ????????????? > > > ? ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ;-) > > > ? multithreading - ??? ????? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ??? ????? "????? ? ?????????" (???? ?????? ????????????? ??????? ????????), ??: > > > ? ????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? TCP listener upon packet arrival ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?????, ?????????????? UDP? > > > ? ? ?????/??????, ??? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ? multi-threading, ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? > > > ? python asyncio > > > ? ??? ?????? - ???? ??????????, ??????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? > > > ? ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? > > > > > > ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????? > > > ???????! > > > -- > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Sat Jan 16 18:44:49 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:44:49 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLRg9GA0LjRgdGC0Lgt0LzQsNC90LTRgNGW0LLQvdC4?= =?utf-8?b?0LrQuCwg0L/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSBBbmRyb2lkIEFwcCwgcGxlYXNlIQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <1610785262.902157000.o1nkp82b@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1610814371.500784000.zvnpqh0l@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ???, ???????? ????? (???????????? ? ????????? ?? ????????? ? ???????) ??? ???????? + ??????, ? ????'?????? ?? ?????????? waypoint'???. ???????. ???????? ????????? ?? ????????. ????????? ???? ?????. ? ????? ? ???????? - ???? ?????????, ?? ??????????? ?? ????????, ?? ??????? ?? ?? ???????? ???????? ? ?.?. ? ? ??? ??????. ? ? ???? ????????? ? ????????? "?????? ????????????????" ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????. ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?????????. ? ???? ??? ?? ???, 300-400? ??? ???????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????. ? ? ????????????, ?? ??? ???? ??????????? (? ???? ??? ? ??????? ????). 16 ????? 2021, 15:12:49, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" : ?????!! ?????? - ?????? ? ????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ??????? ???????, ???????? ????? ??????? ?????, ?????? ??? ????? ???????-??? ?????? ????? ?????????. ???? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ? ???? ????? ??? ?????. ???? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? (?? ?? ??????? ? ???? ????????) ?????????????? ??? ???????. ??, 16 ???. 2021 ? 10:34 Vladimir Sharun ????: ???????, ??? ? ???????? ??????. ?? ?????????? Osmand ??? 9 ?????, ???? ??????? ????, ?? ?? ????? ???? ???? - ???? ? ???? ? ????? ?? ??????. ?? ?????????? ??????????????? - ?? ???????: ?????, ????, ???????? ???? ? ? ?????????? ??? ???? ??????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????? ?? ????????????. ????????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? (????????? ?? ????? ???? ??????????, ??????? ?????? ????????, ?? ??????, ?? ??????), ??????? ??? ??? ?? ???, ???? ?? ?????. ????? ??? ??? ?????? - ? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ??????, ?? ? ????, ??? ??????? ??? ??? ? ???? - ????? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ???? ?????. ???? ?????? "??????? ?? ???????", ?? ? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? (google fit), ?????? ??????. ???? ????? ????????, ??? ?????? ???????? - ?? ?? ???? ??????? (????? ???????? ? ??????? ?????). 16 ????? 2021, 08:53:56, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" : ??????? ???, ??????? ??????. ???????? ??????? Android App ?? ???????? ??????? GPS tracker. ?????, ? ????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ???????, ???????? ??????? ???? ????????-?????? etc.? ? ???? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? ????????? - ??????? ?????? ????. ?? ???? ????????? ? ???????????... ?????. -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pseudo at avalon.org.ua Sat Jan 16 20:50:10 2021 From: pseudo at avalon.org.ua (Max Krasilnikov) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:50:10 +0000 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLRg9GA0LjRgdGC0Lgt0LzQsNC90LTRgNGW0LLQvdC4?= =?utf-8?b?0LrQuCwg0L/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSAgQW5kcm9pZCBBcHAsIHBsZWFzZSE=?= In-Reply-To: <1610814371.500784000.zvnpqh0l@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <1610785262.902157000.o1nkp82b@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1610814371.500784000.zvnpqh0l@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <20210116185010.GK23713@avalon.org.ua> ???? ??????! Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 06:44:49PM +0200, vladimir.sharun wrote: > ???, > > ???????? ????? (???????????? ? ????????? ?? ????????? ? ???????) ??? ???????? + ??????, ? ????'?????? ?? ?????????? waypoint'???. ???????. ???????? ????????? ?? ????????. ????????? ???? ?????. ? ????? ? ???????? - ???? ?????????, ?? ??????????? ?? ????????, ?? ??????? ?? ?? ???????? ???????? ? ?.?. > > ? ? ??? ??????. > > ? ? ???? ????????? ? ????????? "?????? ????????????????" ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????. ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?????????. ? ???? ??? ?? ???, 300-400? ??? ???????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????. > > ? ? ????????????, ?? ??? ???? ??????????? (? ???? ??? ? ??????? ????). ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????? ?? OSM _??????_ ????? ????????, ??? ?? ??????, ????????. ???????? ? OSM, ??? ????? ???????? ????????. ???? ???? Osmand, ??? ? ????? ???????? OSM Map Creator'??, ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??????????. ??? ???, ?????????: ?????, ??????, ?????? ? ???????, ??? ?????? ?????. ? ? ????????? OSM+???????? ??? ????????? ?????. > 16 ????? 2021, 15:12:49, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" : > > ?????!! > > ?????? - ?????? ? ????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ??????? ???????, ???????? ????? ??????? ?????, ?????? ??? ????? ???????-??? ?????? ????? ?????????. > ???? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ? ???? ????? ??? ?????. ???? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? (?? ?? ??????? ? ???? ????????) ?????????????? ??? ???????. > > ??, 16 ???. 2021 ? 10:34 Vladimir Sharun ????: > ???????, > > ??? ? ???????? ??????. ?? ?????????? Osmand ??? 9 ?????, ???? ??????? ????, ?? ?? ????? ???? ???? - ???? ? ???? ? ????? ?? ??????. > > ?? ?????????? ??????????????? - ?? ???????: ?????, ????, ???????? ???? ? > > ? ?????????? ??? ???? ??????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????? ?? ????????????. > > ????????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? (????????? ?? ????? ???? ??????????, ??????? ?????? ????????, ?? ??????, ?? ??????), ??????? ??? ??? ?? ???, ???? ?? ?????. ????? ??? ??? ?????? - ? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ??????, ?? ? ????, ??? ??????? ??? ??? ? ???? - ????? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ???? ?????. ???? ?????? "??????? ?? ???????", ?? ? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? (google fit), ?????? ??????. ???? ????? ????????, ??? ?????? ???????? - ?? ?? ???? ??????? (????? ???????? ? ??????? ?????). > > 16 ????? 2021, 08:53:56, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" : > > ??????? ???, ??????? ??????. > > ???????? ??????? Android App ?? ???????? ??????? GPS tracker. ?????, ? ????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ???????, ???????? ??????? ???? ????????-?????? etc.? > ? ???? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? ????????? - ??????? ?????? ????. > ?? ???? ????????? ? ???????????... > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 07:49:50 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 07:49:50 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLRg9GA0LjRgdGC0Lgt0LzQsNC90LTRgNGW0LLQvdC4?= =?utf-8?b?0LrQuCwg0L/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSBBbmRyb2lkIEFwcCwgcGxlYXNl?= =?utf-8?q?!?= In-Reply-To: <1610814371.500784000.zvnpqh0l@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <1610785262.902157000.o1nkp82b@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1610814371.500784000.zvnpqh0l@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: ?????. ?????. ???? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ???????. ??, 16 ???. 2021 ? 18:44 Vladimir Sharun ????: > ???, > > ???????? ????? (???????????? ? ????????? ?? ????????? ? ???????) ??? > ???????? + ??????, ? ????'?????? ?? ?????????? waypoint'???. ???????. > ???????? ????????? ?? ????????. ????????? ???? ?????. ? ????? ? ???????? - > ???? ?????????, ?? ??????????? ?? ????????, ?? ??????? ?? ?? ???????? > ???????? ? ?.?. > > ? ? ??? ??????. > > ? ? ???? ????????? ? ????????? "?????? ????????????????" ?? ???? ?????? > ????? ?? ????????????. ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?????????. ? > ???? ??? ?? ???, 300-400? ??? ???????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????. > > ? ? ????????????, ?? ??? ???? ??????????? (? ???? ??? ? ??????? ????). > > > > *16 ????? 2021, 15:12:49, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" >:* > > ?????!! > > ?????? - ?????? ? ????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ??????? ???????, > ???????? ????? ??????? ?????, ?????? ??? ????? ???????-??? ?????? ????? > ?????????. > ???? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ? ???? ????? ??? ?????. ???? ????? ??? ??? > ??????? ?? ???????? (?? ?? ??????? ? ???? ????????) ?????????????? ??? > ???????. > > > > ??, 16 ???. 2021 ? 10:34 Vladimir Sharun ????: > > ???????, > > ??? ? ???????? ??????. ?? ?????????? Osmand ??? 9 ?????, ???? ??????? > ????, ?? ?? ????? ???? ???? - ???? ? ???? ? ????? ?? ??????. > > ?? ?????????? ??????????????? - ?? ???????: ?????, ????, ???????? ???? ? > > ? ?????????? ??? ???? ??????? ? ??? ????? ? ?????? ?? ????????????. > > ????????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? (????????? > ?? ????? ???? ??????????, ??????? ?????? ????????, ?? ??????, ?? ??????), > ??????? ??? ??? ?? ???, ???? ?? ?????. ????? ??? ??? ?????? - ? ????? ??? > ???? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ??????, ?? ? ????, ??? ??????? ??? ??? ? ???? > - ????? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ???? ?????. ???? ?????? "??????? ?? ???????", > ?? ? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? (google fit), ?????? ??????. ???? ????? > ????????, ??? ?????? ???????? - ?? ?? ???? ??????? (????? ???????? ? > ??????? ?????). > > *16 ????? 2021, 08:53:56, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" >:* > > ??????? ???, ??????? ??????. > > ???????? ??????? Android App ?? ???????? ??????? GPS tracker. ?????, ? > ????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ???????, ???????? ??????? ???? > ????????-?????? etc. > ? ???? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? > ????????? - ??????? ?????? ????. > ?? ???? ????????? ? ???????????... > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tav at imc.org.ua Mon Jan 18 09:54:41 2021 From: tav at imc.org.ua (Alexandr Turovsky) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:54:41 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KLRg9GA0LjRgdGC0Lgt0LzQsNC90LTRgNGW0LLQvdC4?= =?utf-8?b?0LrQuCwg0L/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSBBbmRyb2lkIEFwcCwgcGxlYXNlIQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70aa490a-12fe-fd88-f408-e028c1e7d335@imc.org.ua> ?????? ????. ???? ??? ????????? ???????? Locus Map(???????), ????? ??? ?????? ???????????? ???????? ? ???????, ?? ????? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ????, ????? ?? ??????? ???????????? ???????. Oleh Hrynchuk wrote: > ??????? ???, ??????? ??????. > > ???????? ??????? Android App ?? ???????? ??????? GPS tracker. ?????, ? > ????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????????? ???????, ???????? ??????? ???? > ????????-?????? etc. > ? ???? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? > ????????? - ??????? ?????? ????. > ?? ???? ????????? ? ???????????... > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- ? ?????????, ????????? ????????? ???????????????????? ?????? "???" +38 050 469 97 11 ?????? ??? ? Boryspil.Net ? Telegram: ??? - https://t.me/imcua Boryspil.Net - https://t.me/boryspilnet From doka at xlit.one Mon Jan 18 15:40:44 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 15:40:44 +0200 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <91af6952-639a-4293-8104-7b37aa770b27@Spark> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <6020bb1a-fa0f-812f-f794-cc3ce546e2be@xlit.one> <91af6952-639a-4293-8104-7b37aa770b27@Spark> Message-ID: <092643bf-80e8-dd54-5fd3-632343514f4a@xlit.one> On 16.01.2021 16:16, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >>> ???????, ? ?????? ????????, ? ?? [ ... ] ??? ??????? ???? ???????" >>> REST API ? ???????? ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> ??? ?? ???? "???????" ? ???????? in-memory db. ????? ??????? ???????. >> > ????????, ??? ????? ?????? ?????????/????????? ????????? ????? ?? > ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???????: 1) upgrade 2) troubleshooting 3) > monitoring 4) etc? ? ????????? ?????, ??? ?? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ?? ???????? ? ???? ????????? :-) ? ???????, ?????? ?????? ?? ????????. ?????? ??? ????? ? real time ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ????????. ?????? - ?????????? ? ?? ????????? ???? ? ?????? (??? ????? ??, ???????? ??????????), ?????? batching ?? ??????. ?????? ?????, ???????, ?????? ??? ??? - 1) ask local 2) ask api (long delay) 3) store data locally (delay) ?? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????, ???????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????????. ?????? - ??????? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ?????? (????????? ????? ???????), ????????? ?????? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????? ? ????????? in ram DB. ? ???? ?????????? ??? inramdb ????????? - ????????? ????????? ?????????????. ??? ?? ???????, ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????????????? ???????? ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Mon Jan 18 18:13:43 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:13:43 +0100 Subject: [uanog] Parallel processing - which one to use? In-Reply-To: <092643bf-80e8-dd54-5fd3-632343514f4a@xlit.one> References: <3c17e7fa-4fc5-fb70-e511-430bde1b9c55@xlit.one> <6020bb1a-fa0f-812f-f794-cc3ce546e2be@xlit.one> <91af6952-639a-4293-8104-7b37aa770b27@Spark> <092643bf-80e8-dd54-5fd3-632343514f4a@xlit.one> Message-ID: <8e1d242f-65d9-41de-99be-67569c50e4b0@Spark> ????? ?????????: ? ?????? ???????? ? ???, ????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ???????. ??? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ???????, ??? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ???????????: 1) upgrade 2) troubleshooting 3) monitoring ?? ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ???? ?????? On 18 Jan 2021, 14:40 +0100, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > On 16.01.2021 16:16, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > ???????, ? ?????? ????????, ? ?? [ ... ] ??? ??????? ???? ???????" REST API ? ???????? ???? ????????? ???????????. > > > ??? ?? ???? "???????" ? ???????? in-memory db. ????? ??????? ???????. > > ????????, ??? ????? ?????? ?????????/????????? ????????? ????? ?? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???????: 1) upgrade 2) troubleshooting 3) monitoring 4) etc? > ? ????????? ?????, ??? ?? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ?? ???????? ? ???? ????????? :-) > ? ???????, ?????? ?????? ?? ????????. ?????? ??? ????? ? real time ?? ??????? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ????????. ?????? - ?????????? ? ?? ????????? ???? ? ?????? (??? ????? ??, ???????? ??????????), ?????? batching ?? ??????. ?????? ?????, ???????, ?????? ??? ??? - > 1) ask local > 2) ask api (long delay) > 3) store data locally (delay) > > ?? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????, ???????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????????. ?????? - ??????? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ?????? (????????? ????? ???????), ????????? ?????? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????? ? ????????? in ram DB. > ? ???? ?????????? ??? inramdb ????????? - ????????? ????????? ?????????????. ??? ?? ???????, ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????????????? ???????? ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Mon Jan 18 18:26:08 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:26:08 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B0_=D0=B4=D0=BB=D1=8F_?=Jira References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> Message-ID: <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> ???????, ?????????? ??????????, ? ????????????/???????????? ?? ???-?? ???????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????? ? Atlassian Jira/Confluence ?? ???-?? ??????? ????? ??? ???? Atlassian ?????????? ????????? 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(???????? ?? ?????? ???, ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?-????), ? ?? ???-???-?????-??-??????-??????-??????? ?? ????? ???????. ?????? ?????? ?? ????????. PS: ? ? ??? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????????? ? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???????? ? ? ????? ????? ??? ????????? ? ??? ??? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ?????? ?????????? ??????????.? 19 ????? 2021, 14:54:03, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ?????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? Trello, ?? ? ??? ????? ?????? JIRA ???????????: ????? ?? ???????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????? ??????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ???? ????? - ?????? ???? ? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? Redmine+Agile Plugin? ????????? ?????? On 18 Jan 2021, 17:30 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: ??????, On premises ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? - ??? ?????????? ?? ?????. ? ??? ? ?????????? ?????? Zoom-? ??? Jira-?. ???? ??????????? - ????. ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ? ?????? ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ??????????????. 18 ????? 2021, 18:26:27, ??? 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On 19 Jan 2021, 14:06 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: > ??????, > > ? ???????? ?????? redmine ? ? ????? ??????? ? ??? ????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ???. ??? ????????? - ??. ?????? ?? ???????. ??????????? - ???????????. > > ??-?????? ??? bird view c ??????????. ???-???? ???????? ??????????? - ????. > > ??-?????? ?? ????? workflow: ??? ? ???? ? ???????, ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ? ???????, ??? ? ?? ???????????, ????? ???????? ?? ???????????? ? ????? ?????? ??????. ? ??? ?????? ????-?-????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????-???? ? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ? ??????? ?? ??. > > ??? ????????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ????? ??? ??? ??????????, ????? ??????? ????????????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ???????, ????? ??????? ??????, ????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????????? ???????? (???????? ?? ?????? ???, ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?-????), ? ?? ???-???-?????-??-??????-??????-??????? ?? ????? ???????. > > ?????? ?????? ?? ????????. > > PS: ? ? ??? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????????? ? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???????? ? ? ????? ????? ??? ????????? ? ??? ??? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ?????? ?????????? ??????????. > > > 19 ????? 2021, 14:54:03, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : > > > ?????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? Trello, ?? ? ??? ????? ?????? JIRA ???????????: ????? ?? ???????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????? ??????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ???? ????? - ?????? ???? ? ?? ??????? ?????? > > > > ? ??? ?????? Redmine+Agile Plugin? ????????? > > > > ?????? > > On 18 Jan 2021, 17:30 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: > > > ??????, > > > > > > On premises ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? - ??? ?????????? ?? ?????. ? ??? ? ?????????? ?????? Zoom-? ??? 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Cloud. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??????? ??? ???????????? ? ????? ???????? requirement: a bug tracking system with wiki for agile project management > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???????, > > > > > > > ?????? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Tue Jan 19 22:20:52 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 22:20:52 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1611087201.168734000.hko8p7p0@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, > ?????????/????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?, ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ???????, ????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ? > ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? 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"Maksym Tulyuk" : ????????: ???????????? ?????? ? ???, ??? "??? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. ?? ??? short-term gain. ? long-term ? ??????? ?????: 1) ?????????/????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?, ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? 2) ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? Project Manager, ??????? ???????, ??? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ? ??????????, ???????????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????. ? ?????? ? JIRA ??? ???????: ??????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ?????/???? ?? ??????? 3) ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ????? ? ???? ? ???? ?????? Sprint Retrospective c ???????????? ??????? ??? Roadmap Review? ??????????? ? ?????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????/????????? ??? ???????? On premises - ??? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ????? ? ?????. ?? ??? ????? ?????????????, ? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ????, ??? ??????????? ????????, ??? ???-?? ??????????. ?????? On 19 Jan 2021, 15:59 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: ??????, ? ?????? ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??????????? ??????. ??? ??????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??????????, ???? ???????? ???? ?????, ??? ? ???????? ?? ? -. GDPR - ??????????????? ????????, ???????? ??? ?? ????? (???????) ???-?? ? 17?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????????????? ???????? ??? wait, ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ?????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ? ????? ? 19 ????? 2021, 15:31:29, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ?????? ?????????: 1) ????? ????? ?????? ?????? 2) ?? ??? ??????? ?????????????? 3) GDPR: ?? ??? ???????????? ????? ?? ???? ??????????????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? 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URL: From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Wed Jan 20 14:15:05 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:15:05 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> Message-ID: <78ffd6d2-86a6-03a4-f16b-c77e3896b1c1@netassist.kiev.ua> Hi, 19.01.21 22:06, Igor Sviridov ????: >> ?? ??? short-term gain. ? long-term ? ??????? ?????: >> 1) ?????????/????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?, ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? >> 2) ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? 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URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Wed Jan 20 20:27:08 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:27:08 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B0_=D0=B4=D0=BB=D1=8F_?=Jira In-Reply-To: <1611087201.168734000.hko8p7p0@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611087201.168734000.hko8p7p0@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <0a326d42-4c5e-4662-933e-a72e6fb5588c@Spark> ??????! ????? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????: a cross-site scripting vulnerability in JIRA led to the compromise of two Apache Software Foundation servers. The database contained unsalted password hashes: https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/apache_org_04_09_2010 ???? ??? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ???????????. ????? ??, ??? ????? ??????: ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????, ???? ?????? ?? ??????????, ??????????? ??? ????? ?? ????????. ???????, ? ???? ?????????????? mission-critical processes, data, etc ? ? ??????, ??? ? ?? ??????: "approximately 75% of all paying users still use at least one on-premises deployment? (?) Atlassian, Shareholder Letter Q1 FY21 | October 29, 2020 ?????? On 19 Jan 2021, 21:20 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: > ??????, > > > ?????????/????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?, ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? > > ???????? ???????, ????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ? > > > ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? 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"Maksym Tulyuk" : > > > ????????: ???????????? ?????? ? ???, ??? "??? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. > > > > ?? ??? short-term gain. ? long-term ? ??????? ?????: > > 1) ?????????/????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?, ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? > > 2) ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? Project Manager, ??????? ???????, ??? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ? ??????????, ???????????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????. ? ?????? ? JIRA ??? ???????: > > ??????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ?????/???? ?? ??????? > > 3) ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? > > ??????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ????? > > ? ???? ? ???? ?????? Sprint Retrospective c ???????????? ??????? ??? Roadmap Review? ??????????? ? ?????? ????????? > > > > ??? ????? ??????/????????? ??? ???????? On premises - ??? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ????? ? ?????. ?? ??? ????? ?????????????, ? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ????, ??? ??????????? ????????, ??? ???-?? ??????????. > > > > ?????? > > On 19 Jan 2021, 15:59 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: > > > ??????, > > > > > > ? ?????? ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??????????? ??????. > > > > > > ??? ??????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??????????, ???? ???????? ???? ?????, ??? ? ???????? ?? ? -. > > > > > > GDPR - ??????????????? ????????, ???????? ??? ?? ????? (???????) ???-?? ? 17?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????????????? ???????? ??? wait, ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ?????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ? ????? ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 ????? 2021, 15:31:29, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : > > > > > > > ?????? ?????????: > > > > 1) ????? ????? ?????? ?????? > > > > 2) ?? ??? ??????? ?????????????? > > > > 3) GDPR: ?? ??? ???????????? ????? ?? ???? ??????????????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? Atlassian ?? ?? ??? ?? ????????; ????? ????, ?? ????? ???? ?????????????, ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 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URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Wed Jan 20 20:32:02 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:32:02 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <0a326d42-4c5e-4662-933e-a72e6fb5588c@Spark> References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611087201.168734000.hko8p7p0@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <0a326d42-4c5e-4662-933e-a72e6fb5588c@Spark> Message-ID: <1611167486.310546000.cpb4b6ja@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?????? ? ??????????????, ??????? ??? ?????????? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ? ???? ????? ????????? ? ?????. 20 ????? 2021, 20:27:37, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ??????! ????? ?????? ? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ? ?????????? ???????????? ??????: a cross-site scripting vulnerability in JIRA led to the compromise of two Apache Software Foundation servers. The database contained unsalted password hashes: https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/apache_org_04_09_2010 ???? ??? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ???????????. ????? ??, ??? ????? ??????: ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????, ???? ?????? ?? ??????????, ??????????? ??? ????? ?? ????????. ???????, ? ???? ?????????????? mission-critical processes, data, etc ? ? ??????, ??? ? ?? ??????: "approximately 75% of all paying users still use at least one on-premises deployment? (?) Atlassian, Shareholder Letter Q1 FY21 | October 29, 2020 ?????? On 19 Jan 2021, 21:20 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: ??????, > ?????????/????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?, ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ???????, ????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ? > ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? Project Manager, ??????? ???????, ??? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ? ??????????, ???????????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????. ??? ?????? ? "???????? ? ????????? ??????" :) ??????, ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????. > ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ? ?????? ?????? - ??? ???????? ???? ??????. ??? ??????, ???? ? ??? outage, ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ??????. ? ? 2020 ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ??????? (???? ?????? ????? "??????? ???????" ? ????????? ? ???????, ???? ??????? my ass), ??? ?????????? - ?????? ???? ?? ???????: ? ?????? ????????? ????/??????????_????? ?? ????? ???????? ? ?? ????? ??? ??. ?? ? ?????? ? on premises ?????? ?? ?? ????? ? ?????? ?? ?????????????. ? ????? ??? ????? ?????????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ????? ?? ? ???, ???? ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ???-?? ? ??????, ?????? ????? ???????? ?? ???, ????? ???????? ??????. ? ????? ??????????? ? ??? ? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? AMD EPYC ??????? ?????????, ??????? ???? ??????????? ??????? ? ??? ??? ????????, ?????????? ??? ??????????? ?????, ???? ? ? ????????, ?????????? ??? ? ????????? ????????? ???????? (? ???? ??). ? ????? ?????????? ???-?? ????? ?????? ? ??? ? ?????-?? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ????? ?? ???? ? ????? ??????. ?? ? ??????? ????????? ? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? - ?? ??, ? ????????? ?? ?????-?? ????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ???????????. 19 ????? 2021, 21:40:12, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ????????: ???????????? ?????? ? ???, ??? "??? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. ?? ??? short-term gain. ? long-term ? ??????? ?????: 1) ?????????/????????? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?, ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? 2) ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? Project Manager, ??????? ???????, ??? ????????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ? ??????????, ???????????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????. ? ?????? ? JIRA ??? ???????: ??????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ?????/???? ?? ??????? 3) ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ????? ? ???? ? ???? ?????? Sprint Retrospective c ???????????? ??????? ??? Roadmap Review? ??????????? ? ?????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????/????????? ??? ???????? On premises - ??? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ????? ? ?????. ?? ??? ????? ?????????????, ? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ????, ??? ??????????? ????????, ??? ???-?? ??????????. ?????? On 19 Jan 2021, 15:59 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: ??????, ? ?????? ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??????????? ??????. ??? ??????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??????????, ???? ???????? ???? ?????, ??? ? ???????? ?? ? -. GDPR - ??????????????? ????????, ???????? ??? ?? ????? (???????) ???-?? ? 17?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????????????? ???????? ??? wait, ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ?????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ? ????? ? 19 ????? 2021, 15:31:29, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ?????? ?????????: 1) ????? ????? ?????? ?????? 2) ?? ??? ??????? ?????????????? 3) GDPR: ?? ??? ???????????? ????? ?? ???? ??????????????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? Atlassian ?? ?? ??? ?? ????????; ????? ????, ?? ????? ???? ?????????????, ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????? EU ?? ? ???? ??? ?????? ????????, ?? ?? ??, ??? ????????, ? ?? ?? ??????????? :) ?????? On 19 Jan 2021, 14:06 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: ??????, ? ???????? ?????? redmine ? ? ????? ??????? ? ??? ????????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ???. ??? ????????? - ??. ?????? ?? ???????. ??????????? - ???????????. ??-?????? ??? bird view c ??????????. ???-???? ???????? ??????????? - ????. ??-?????? ?? ????? workflow: ??? ? ???? ? ???????, ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ? ???????, ??? ? ?? ???????????, ????? ???????? ?? ???????????? ? ????? ?????? ??????. ? ??? ?????? ????-?-????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????-???? ? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ? ??????? ?? ??. ??? ????????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ????? ??? ??? ??????????, ????? ??????? ????????????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ???????, ????? ??????? ??????, ????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????????? ???????? (???????? ?? ?????? ???, ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?-????), ? ?? ???-???-?????-??-??????-??????-??????? ?? ????? ???????. ?????? ?????? ?? ????????. PS: ? ? ??? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????????? ? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???????? ? ? ????? ????? ??? ????????? ? ??? ??? ? ?????? ?????, ????? ?????? ?????????? ??????????.? 19 ????? 2021, 14:54:03, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ?????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? Trello, ?? ? ??? ????? ?????? JIRA ???????????: ????? ?? ???????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????? ??????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ???? ????? - ?????? ???? ? ?? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? Redmine+Agile Plugin? ????????? ?????? On 18 Jan 2021, 17:30 +0100, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: ??????, On premises ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? - ??? ?????????? ?? ?????. ? ??? ? ?????????? ?????? Zoom-? ??? Jira-?. ???? ??????????? - ????. ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ? ?????? ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ??????????????. 18 ????? 2021, 18:26:27, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ???????, ?????????? ??????????, ? ????????????/???????????? ?? ???-?? ???????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????? ? Atlassian Jira/Confluence ?? ???-?? ??????? ????? ??? ???? Atlassian ?????????? ????????? On Premises ??????? ? ???????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? 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GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ? /etc/sysconfig/grub). >> >> ? ???????? ??? ??? ????????????? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?????. >> >> 09.01.2021 08:44, VASYL MELNYK ?????: >>> >>> > ? ???????, ??? ??? ?????-?? ???????????? ?????????????? systemd, >>> ?????-?? >>> > ??????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ? /var/lib , ?? ??? ??????? >>> rsync ? >>> > /var/lib ? ??? ? ?? ??????????. >>> >>> ??????? ? ????: selinux? >>> >>> >>> ? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? - ????????. >>> >>> ?? ???????, ???? ???. ? ???? ???????? ?? ???, ?? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???. ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? - ? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????. From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 09:09:55 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 09:09:55 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSDQvNC+0LTQtdC70YwgM0cv?= =?utf-8?b?NEcgVVNCLSLRgdCy0LjRgdGC0LrQsCIg0LTQu9GPINCc0ZbQutGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YLQsCBSQjc2MGlHUw==?= Message-ID: ???? ??????? ?????, ??????? ??????. ?????? ?????. ????????????? ????. ??? ??????????? ????????? on-demand ?????????a. ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????? USB-???????? ? ????????. ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? HUAWEI E1550, ??? ??? ???? 4G. ? ????????... ?????. -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Sat Jan 23 12:21:14 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 12:21:14 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSDQvNC+0LTQtdC70YwgM0cv?= =?utf-8?b?NEcgVVNCLSLRgdCy0LjRgdGC0LrQsCIg0LTQu9GPINCc0ZbQutGA0L7RgtCw?= =?utf-8?q?_RB760iGS?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1611397122.636633000.exvr4dml@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ???, ? ??????, ????? ?????? ? ????????? ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ??????? ???????. ???? ???????? ???, ?? ??? ?? ?? ??????? - ????. 23 ????? 2021, 11:37:53, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" < oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com >: ?????, ????????? ?? ??????:?https://rozetka.com.ua/ua/huawei_e3372h_153_white/p227702341/ ??, 23 ???. 2021 ? 09:09 Oleh Hrynchuk ????: ???? ??????? ?????, ??????? ??????. ?????? ?????. ????????????? ????. ??? ??????????? ????????? on-demand ?????????a. ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????? USB-???????? ? ????????. ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? HUAWEI E1550, ??? ??? ?????4G. ? ????????... ?????. -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at xlit.one Sat Jan 23 12:24:57 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 12:24:57 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSDQvNC+0LTQtdC70YwgM0cv?= =?utf-8?b?NEcgVVNCLSLRgdCy0LjRgdGC0LrQsCIg0LTQu9GPINCc0ZbQutGA0L7RgtCw?= =?utf-8?q?_RB760iGS?= In-Reply-To: <1611397122.636633000.exvr4dml@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <1611397122.636633000.exvr4dml@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <9a8eb228-c63b-df7f-f337-a907b4bbadc8@xlit.one> ??? ??????? TTL ?? ??????? :) On 23.01.2021 12:21, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ???, > > ? ??????, ????? ?????? ? ????????? ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ??????? > ???????. ???? ???????? ???, ?? ??? ?? ?? ??????? - ????. > > /23 ????? 2021, 11:37:53, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" >: / > > ?????, ????????? ?? ??????: > https://rozetka.com.ua/ua/huawei_e3372h_153_white/p227702341/ > > > > ??, 23 ???. 2021 ? 09:09 Oleh Hrynchuk > ????: > > ???? ??????? ?????, ??????? ??????. > > ?????? ?????. ????????????? ????. ??? ??????????? ????????? > on-demand ?????????a. > ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????? > USB-???????? ? ????????. > > ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? > HUAWEI E1550, ??? ??? ?????4G. ? ????????... > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 13:23:50 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 13:23:50 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QvtGA0LDQtNGM0YLQtSDQvNC+0LTQtdC70YwgM0cv?= =?utf-8?b?NEcgVVNCLSLRgdCy0LjRgdGC0LrQsCIg0LTQu9GPINCc0ZbQutGA0L4=?= =?utf-8?b?0YLQsCBSQjc2MGlHUw==?= In-Reply-To: <9a8eb228-c63b-df7f-f337-a907b4bbadc8@xlit.one> References: <1611397122.636633000.exvr4dml@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <9a8eb228-c63b-df7f-f337-a907b4bbadc8@xlit.one> Message-ID: ?????! ?? ?????? ???????... ??, 23 ???. 2021 ? 12:25 Volodymyr Litovka ????: > ??? ??????? TTL ?? ??????? :) > On 23.01.2021 12:21, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ???, > > ? ??????, ????? ?????? ? ????????? ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ??????? > ???????. ???? ???????? ???, ?? ??? ?? ?? ??????? - ????. > > * 23 ????? 2021, 11:37:53, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" < oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com > >: * > > ?????, ????????? ?? ??????: > https://rozetka.com.ua/ua/huawei_e3372h_153_white/p227702341/ > > > ??, 23 ???. 2021 ? 09:09 Oleh Hrynchuk ????: > > ???? ??????? ?????, ??????? ??????. > > ?????? ?????. ????????????? ????. ??? ??????????? ????????? on-demand > ?????????a. > ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????? USB-???????? ? > ????????. > > ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? 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"Oleh Hrynchuk" >: / > > ?????, ????????? ?? ??????: > https://rozetka.com.ua/ua/huawei_e3372h_153_white/p227702341/ > > > > ??, 23 ???. 2021 ? 09:09 Oleh Hrynchuk > ????: > > ???? ??????? ?????, ??????? ??????. > > ?????? ?????. ????????????? ????. ??? ??????????? ????????? > on-demand ?????????a. > ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????? USB-???????? > ? ????????. > > ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? > HUAWEI E1550, ??? ??? ?????4G. ? ????????... > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > From doka at xlit.one Tue Jan 26 20:17:02 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:17:02 +0200 Subject: [uanog] GCC-devel only during container building Message-ID: <2e3f9b62-f8af-607f-09e8-317089572858@xlit.one> ??????, ? ?????? ??? ? ????? ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????, ????????? ??????????, ?????? ;-) ) ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????????. ? ???????? pip install ????????? gcc ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ?????????? ????????? ??????????? ???????? (??????? ? requirements.txt) ? ????? ??? ????? Dockerfile: FROM alpine FROM python:3.9-alpine RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev RUN mkdir /opt/contapp WORKDIR /opt/contapp COPY requirements.txt . RUN pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt RUN rm requirements.txt # Cleanup RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev COPY core core COPY base base ENV PYTHONPATH "${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] ??? ?????? ??????? ????????? - ????? ???????? alpine ???????? 224Mb ? ???????? (????????), ????? ???????? - ???????? 15Mb ? ???????? (it's ok): Step 4/14 : RUN apk add build-base libffi libffi-dev openssl-dev ---> Running in bafd9776ce4d fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz (1/24) Installing libgcc (9.3.0-r2) (2/24) Installing libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) (3/24) Installing binutils (2.34-r1) (4/24) Installing libmagic (5.38-r0) (5/24) Installing file (5.38-r0) (6/24) Installing gmp (6.2.0-r0) (7/24) Installing isl (0.18-r0) (8/24) Installing libgomp (9.3.0-r2) (9/24) Installing libatomic (9.3.0-r2) (10/24) Installing libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) (11/24) Installing mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) (12/24) Installing mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) (13/24) Installing gcc (9.3.0-r2) (14/24) Installing musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) (15/24) Installing libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) (16/24) Installing g++ (9.3.0-r2) (17/24) Installing make (4.3-r0) (18/24) Installing fortify-headers (1.1-r0) (19/24) Installing patch (2.7.6-r6) (20/24) Installing build-base (0.5-r2) (21/24) Installing linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) (22/24) Installing pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) (23/24) Installing libffi-dev (3.3-r2) (24/24) Installing openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger *OK: 224 MiB in 60 packages* [ ... ] Step 10/14 : RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev ---> Running in 709a88c5f43d (1/24) Purging build-base (0.5-r2) (2/24) Purging file (5.38-r0) (3/24) Purging g++ (9.3.0-r2) (4/24) Purging gcc (9.3.0-r2) (5/24) Purging binutils (2.34-r1) (6/24) Purging libatomic (9.3.0-r2) (7/24) Purging libgomp (9.3.0-r2) (8/24) Purging libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) (9/24) Purging libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) (10/24) Purging make (4.3-r0) (11/24) Purging libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) (12/24) Purging musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) (13/24) Purging fortify-headers (1.1-r0) (14/24) Purging patch (2.7.6-r6) (15/24) Purging libffi-dev (3.3-r2) (16/24) Purging linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) (17/24) Purging openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) (18/24) Purging libgcc (9.3.0-r2) (19/24) Purging libmagic (5.38-r0) (20/24) Purging isl (0.18-r0) (21/24) Purging mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) (22/24) Purging mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) (23/24) Purging gmp (6.2.0-r0) (24/24) Purging pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger *OK: 15 MiB in 36 packages* ??, ?? ?????, ??? ?????-?????-?????? ?????????? ???????? 300+Mb, ?? ????????? ? 6+45Mb ??????? ???????: root at gk:/opt/tlspx# docker image list REPOSITORY TAG IMAGE ID CREATED SIZE contapp latest af34adc59bfa 8 seconds ago 328MB python 3.9-alpine 03c59395ddea 17 hours ago 44.9MB alpine latest 7731472c3f2a 11 days ago 5.61MB ???????: - ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????? ? ????????, ????? devel set ????? ?????? ? ???????? ??????? - ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????, ??????????????? ??? ?????? ? ?? ??????? ? runtime (????? ? ????? apk del --purge, ?? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????, ??? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??????)? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petr at petrovich.kiev.ua Tue Jan 26 20:44:05 2021 From: petr at petrovich.kiev.ua (Serge Negodyuck) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:44:05 +0200 Subject: [uanog] GCC-devel only during container building In-Reply-To: <2e3f9b62-f8af-607f-09e8-317089572858@xlit.one> References: <2e3f9b62-f8af-607f-09e8-317089572858@xlit.one> Message-ID: True way: https://docs.docker.com/develop/develop-images/multistage-build/ ?????? ??????? RUN, COPY, ... ??????? ????? ????. ?? ??? quick & dirty ????? ????????????? ? ??????? build-depends ? ????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????: FROM alpin FROM python:3.9-alpine RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev && \ mkdir /opt/contapp && \ cp requirements.txt /opt/contapp && \ cd /opt/contapp && \ pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt && \ rm requirements.txt && \ apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev COPY core core COPY base base ??, 26 ???. 2021 ?. ? 20:17, Volodymyr Litovka : > ??????, > > ? ?????? ??? ? ????? ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????, ????????? > ??????????, ?????? ;-) ) ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????????. ? ???????? pip > install ????????? gcc ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ?????????? ????????? > ??????????? ???????? (??????? ? requirements.txt) > > ? ????? ??? ????? Dockerfile: > > FROM alpine > FROM python:3.9-alpine > RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > RUN mkdir /opt/contapp > WORKDIR /opt/contapp > > COPY requirements.txt . > RUN pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt > RUN rm requirements.txt > # Cleanup > RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > > COPY core core > COPY base base > > ENV PYTHONPATH "${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" > ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] > > ??? ?????? ??????? ????????? - ????? ???????? alpine ???????? 224Mb ? > ???????? (????????), ????? ???????? - ???????? 15Mb ? ???????? (it's ok): > > Step 4/14 : RUN apk add build-base libffi libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in bafd9776ce4d > fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > (1/24) Installing libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (2/24) Installing libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (3/24) Installing binutils (2.34-r1) > (4/24) Installing libmagic (5.38-r0) > (5/24) Installing file (5.38-r0) > (6/24) Installing gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (7/24) Installing isl (0.18-r0) > (8/24) Installing libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Installing libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Installing libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (11/24) Installing mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (12/24) Installing mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (13/24) Installing gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (14/24) Installing musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (15/24) Installing libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (16/24) Installing g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (17/24) Installing make (4.3-r0) > (18/24) Installing fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (19/24) Installing patch (2.7.6-r6) > (20/24) Installing build-base (0.5-r2) > (21/24) Installing linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (22/24) Installing pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > (23/24) Installing libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (24/24) Installing openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger*OK: 224 MiB in 60 packages* > [ ... ] > Step 10/14 : RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in 709a88c5f43d > (1/24) Purging build-base (0.5-r2) > (2/24) Purging file (5.38-r0) > (3/24) Purging g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (4/24) Purging gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (5/24) Purging binutils (2.34-r1) > (6/24) Purging libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (7/24) Purging libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (8/24) Purging libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Purging libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Purging make (4.3-r0) > (11/24) Purging libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (12/24) Purging musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (13/24) Purging fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (14/24) Purging patch (2.7.6-r6) > (15/24) Purging libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (16/24) Purging linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (17/24) Purging openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > (18/24) Purging libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (19/24) Purging libmagic (5.38-r0) > (20/24) Purging isl (0.18-r0) > (21/24) Purging mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (22/24) Purging mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (23/24) Purging gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (24/24) Purging pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger*OK: 15 MiB in 36 packages* > > ??, ?? ?????, ??? ?????-?????-?????? ?????????? ???????? 300+Mb, ?? > ????????? ? 6+45Mb ??????? ???????: > > root at gk:/opt/tlspx# docker image list > REPOSITORY TAG IMAGE ID CREATED SIZE > contapp latest af34adc59bfa 8 seconds ago 328MB > python 3.9-alpine 03c59395ddea 17 hours ago 44.9MB > alpine latest 7731472c3f2a 11 days ago 5.61MB > > ???????: > - ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????? ? ????????, ????? devel set ????? > ?????? ? ???????? ??????? > - ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????, ??????????????? ??? ?????? ? ?? > ??????? ? runtime (????? ? ????? apk del --purge, ?? ?????? ?????? ???????? > ?????, ??? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??????)? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dockerfile ?????? ???????? ????????? ???????: FROM ubuntu AS compiler RUN apt update RUN apt -y install python3 python3-pip python3-venv RUN python3 -m venv --system-site-packages /opt/venv ENV PATH="/opt/venv/bin:$PATH" COPY requirements.txt . RUN pip3 install --ignore-installed --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt RUN rm requirements.txt FROM ubuntu AS builder RUN apt update RUN apt -y install python3 RUN mkdir /opt/contapp WORKDIR? /opt/contapp COPY --from=compiler /opt/venv /opt/venv COPY core core COPY base base ENV PATH="/opt/venv/bin:$PATH" ENV PYTHONPATH="${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ? network queues ??? ??????? ? ?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??? ??????? ??[1]: - ?? ?????? ???? (as compiler) ?????????? ???????, ?????????? ??? ??????, ???????????? ? venv, ????? ????????? ????? ? ????? ???? (builder) - ????? ???? (builder), ??????????????, ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ????????? ???????????? ????? - ????? 200M. ?? 400, ??????? (??? ????? ?? ?????????? ??? ???? builder), ?? ? ?? ???? ?? 100 :) ??????????, ??????: ? ???? ?????-?? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????????? ?????(?) ??? ?????????????? "???????????" ?????? ???? (???????? ????????? :-) ) FROM ubuntu:glibc FROM ubuntu:python-3.x as builder [ ... ] COPY --from=compiler /opt/venv /opt/venv [ ... ] ???????. [1] === ???????? ???????????? alpine ? ????: FROM alpine FROM python:3.9-alpine AS compiler [ ... compile stuff ... ] FROM alpine FROM python:3.9-alpine AS builder COPY --from=compiler /opt/venv /opt/venv [ ... rest stuff ... ] ?? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ??????: ImportError: Error relocating /opt/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/fnfqueue/_fnfqueue.abi3.so: be64toh: symbol not found ???, ? ?????-??, ???????. On 26.01.2021 20:44, Serge Negodyuck wrote: > > True way: > https://docs.docker.com/develop/develop-images/multistage-build/ > > > ?????? ??????? RUN, COPY, ...? ??????? ????? ????. > ?? ??? quick & dirty? ????? ??????????????? ??????? build-depends ? > ????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????: > FROM alpin > FROM python:3.9-alpine > RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev && \ > mkdir /opt/contapp && \ > cp requirements.txt /opt/contapp && \ > cd /opt/contapp && \ > pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt && \ > rm requirements.txt && \ > apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > > COPY core core > COPY base base > > ??, 26 ???. 2021 ?. ? 20:17, Volodymyr Litovka : > > ??????, > > ? ?????? ??? ? ????? ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????, > ????????? ??????????, ?????? ;-) ) ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????????. > ? ???????? pip install ????????? gcc ??? ?????? ????????? ??? > ?????????? ????????? ??????????? ???????? (??????? ? requirements.txt) > > ? ????? ??? ????? Dockerfile: > > FROM alpine > FROM python:3.9-alpine > RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > RUN mkdir /opt/contapp > WORKDIR /opt/contapp > > COPY requirements.txt . > RUN pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt > RUN rm requirements.txt > # Cleanup > RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > > COPY core core > COPY base base > > ENV PYTHONPATH "${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" > ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] > > ??? ?????? ??????? ????????? - ????? ???????? alpine ???????? > 224Mb ? ???????? (????????), ????? ???????? - ???????? 15Mb ? > ???????? (it's ok): > > Step 4/14 : RUN apk add build-base libffi libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in bafd9776ce4d > fetchhttp://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > fetchhttp://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > (1/24) Installing libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (2/24) Installing libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (3/24) Installing binutils (2.34-r1) > (4/24) Installing libmagic (5.38-r0) > (5/24) Installing file (5.38-r0) > (6/24) Installing gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (7/24) Installing isl (0.18-r0) > (8/24) Installing libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Installing libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Installing libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (11/24) Installing mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (12/24) Installing mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (13/24) Installing gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (14/24) Installing musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (15/24) Installing libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (16/24) Installing g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (17/24) Installing make (4.3-r0) > (18/24) Installing fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (19/24) Installing patch (2.7.6-r6) > (20/24) Installing build-base (0.5-r2) > (21/24) Installing linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (22/24) Installing pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > (23/24) Installing libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (24/24) Installing openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger > *OK: 224 MiB in 60 packages* > [ ... ] > Step 10/14 : RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in 709a88c5f43d > (1/24) Purging build-base (0.5-r2) > (2/24) Purging file (5.38-r0) > (3/24) Purging g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (4/24) Purging gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (5/24) Purging binutils (2.34-r1) > (6/24) Purging libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (7/24) Purging libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (8/24) Purging libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Purging libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Purging make (4.3-r0) > (11/24) Purging libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (12/24) Purging musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (13/24) Purging fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (14/24) Purging patch (2.7.6-r6) > (15/24) Purging libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (16/24) Purging linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (17/24) Purging openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > (18/24) Purging libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (19/24) Purging libmagic (5.38-r0) > (20/24) Purging isl (0.18-r0) > (21/24) Purging mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (22/24) Purging mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (23/24) Purging gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (24/24) Purging pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger > *OK: 15 MiB in 36 packages* > > ??, ?? ?????, ??? ?????-?????-?????? ?????????? ???????? 300+Mb, > ?? ????????? ? 6+45Mb ??????? ???????: > > root at gk:/opt/tlspx# docker image list > REPOSITORY TAG IMAGE ID CREATED SIZE > contapp latest af34adc59bfa 8 seconds ago 328MB > python 3.9-alpine 03c59395ddea 17 hours ago 44.9MB > alpine latest 7731472c3f2a 11 days ago 5.61MB > > ???????: > - ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????? ? ????????, ????? devel set > ????? ?????? ? ???????? ??????? > - ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????, ??????????????? ??? ?????? ? > ?? ??????? ? runtime (????? ? ????? apk del --purge, ?? ?????? > ?????? ???????? ?????, ??? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??????)? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yz at yz.kiev.ua Wed Jan 27 12:00:05 2021 From: yz at yz.kiev.ua (George L. Yermulnik) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:00:05 +0200 Subject: [uanog] GCC-devel only during container building In-Reply-To: <739a796a-5cc8-eac0-95db-40e5f1b06885@xlit.one> References: <2e3f9b62-f8af-607f-09e8-317089572858@xlit.one> <739a796a-5cc8-eac0-95db-40e5f1b06885@xlit.one> Message-ID: <20210127095953.GA67430@yz.kiev.ua> Hello! On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 10:46:20 (+0200), Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ???????, ????????. ? ???? ? ???????? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ???????????? > - https://pythonspeed.com/articles/multi-stage-docker-python/ > ? ??? ??????, ?? ??? ????? ?????????????. ??? Dockerfile ?????? ???????? > ????????? ???????: ??? ??? ???????????????, ?????????? ??? RUN ?? ??????????? ? ???? ??? ???????? ?????????, ?.?. ?????? ?? ??? ????????? ????????? layer, ??? ??????, ? ??? ?????, ?? ?????? ???????? image. > ??????????, ??????: ? ???? ?????-?? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????????? > ?????(?) ??? ?????????????? "???????????" ?????? ???? (???????? > ????????? :-) ) ???????? hadolint ????????? ?? ???? Dockerfile - ?? ?????? ??, ? ??? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????? ?????????????? ??? Dockerfile -- George L. Yermulnik [YZ-RIPE] From petr at petrovich.kiev.ua Wed Jan 27 12:25:47 2021 From: petr at petrovich.kiev.ua (Serge Negodyuck) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:25:47 +0200 Subject: [uanog] GCC-devel only during container building In-Reply-To: <739a796a-5cc8-eac0-95db-40e5f1b06885@xlit.one> References: <2e3f9b62-f8af-607f-09e8-317089572858@xlit.one> <739a796a-5cc8-eac0-95db-40e5f1b06885@xlit.one> Message-ID: ??? ??????? ????????? ???? ??? alpine ??????? ???? glibc. ( https://github.com/sgerrand/alpine-pkg-glibc). ?? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? :) ?? ???? python:slim (?? ?? ???? debian), ?? ?? ??? 114M ?????. ??, 27 ???. 2021 ?. ? 10:46, Volodymyr Litovka : > ???????, ????????. ? ???? ? ???????? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ???????????? - > https://pythonspeed.com/articles/multi-stage-docker-python/ > > ? ??? ??????, ?? ??? ????? ?????????????. ??? Dockerfile ?????? ???????? > ????????? ???????: > > FROM ubuntu AS compiler > RUN apt update > RUN apt -y install python3 python3-pip python3-venv > RUN python3 -m venv --system-site-packages /opt/venv > ENV PATH="/opt/venv/bin:$PATH" > COPY requirements.txt . > RUN pip3 install --ignore-installed --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt > RUN rm requirements.txt > > FROM ubuntu AS builder > RUN apt update > RUN apt -y install python3 > RUN mkdir /opt/contapp > WORKDIR /opt/contapp > COPY --from=compiler /opt/venv /opt/venv > COPY core core > COPY base base > > ENV PATH="/opt/venv/bin:$PATH" > ENV PYTHONPATH="${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" > ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] > > ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ? network queues ??? ??????? ? > ?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??? ??????? ??[1]: > > - ?? ?????? ???? (as compiler) ?????????? ???????, ?????????? ??? ??????, > ???????????? ? venv, ????? ????????? ????? ? ????? ???? (builder) > - ????? ???? (builder), ??????????????, ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ??????, > ?????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??????? ????????? ????????? > > ???????????? ????? - ????? 200M. ?? 400, ??????? (??? ????? ?? ?????????? > ??? ???? builder), ?? ? ?? ???? ?? 100 :) > > ??????????, ??????: ? ???? ?????-?? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????????? > ?????(?) ??? ?????????????? "???????????" ?????? ???? (???????? ????????? > :-) ) > > FROM ubuntu:glibc > FROM ubuntu:python-3.x as builder > [ ... ] > COPY --from=compiler /opt/venv /opt/venv > [ ... ] > > ???????. > > [1] === ???????? ???????????? alpine ? ????: > > FROM alpine > FROM python:3.9-alpine AS compiler > [ ... compile stuff ... ] > > FROM alpine > FROM python:3.9-alpine AS builder > COPY --from=compiler /opt/venv /opt/venv > [ ... rest stuff ... ] > > ?? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ??????: > > ImportError: Error relocating > /opt/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/fnfqueue/_fnfqueue.abi3.so: > be64toh: symbol not found > > ???, ? ?????-??, ???????. > On 26.01.2021 20:44, Serge Negodyuck wrote: > > > True way: https://docs.docker.com/develop/develop-images/multistage-build/ > > ?????? ??????? RUN, COPY, ... ??????? ????? ????. > ?? ??? quick & dirty ????? ????????????? ? ??????? build-depends ? ????? > ? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????: > > FROM alpin > FROM python:3.9-alpine > RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev && \ > mkdir /opt/contapp && \ > cp requirements.txt /opt/contapp && \ > cd /opt/contapp && \ > pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt && \ > rm requirements.txt && \ > apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > > COPY core core > COPY base base > > > ??, 26 ???. 2021 ?. ? 20:17, Volodymyr Litovka > : > >> ??????, >> >> ? ?????? ??? ? ????? ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????, ????????? >> ??????????, ?????? ;-) ) ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????????. ? ???????? pip >> install ????????? gcc ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ?????????? ????????? >> ??????????? ???????? (??????? ? requirements.txt) >> >> ? ????? ??? ????? Dockerfile: >> >> FROM alpine >> FROM python:3.9-alpine >> RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev >> RUN mkdir /opt/contapp >> WORKDIR /opt/contapp >> >> COPY requirements.txt . >> RUN pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt >> RUN rm requirements.txt >> # Cleanup >> RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev >> >> COPY core core >> COPY base base >> >> ENV PYTHONPATH "${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" >> ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] >> >> ??? ?????? ??????? ????????? - ????? ???????? alpine ???????? 224Mb ? >> ???????? (????????), ????? ???????? - ???????? 15Mb ? ???????? (it's ok): >> >> Step 4/14 : RUN apk add build-base libffi libffi-dev openssl-dev >> ---> Running in bafd9776ce4d >> fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz >> fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz >> (1/24) Installing libgcc (9.3.0-r2) >> (2/24) Installing libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) >> (3/24) Installing binutils (2.34-r1) >> (4/24) Installing libmagic (5.38-r0) >> (5/24) Installing file (5.38-r0) >> (6/24) Installing gmp (6.2.0-r0) >> (7/24) Installing isl (0.18-r0) >> (8/24) Installing libgomp (9.3.0-r2) >> (9/24) Installing libatomic (9.3.0-r2) >> (10/24) Installing libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) >> (11/24) Installing mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) >> (12/24) Installing mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) >> (13/24) Installing gcc (9.3.0-r2) >> (14/24) Installing musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) >> (15/24) Installing libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) >> (16/24) Installing g++ (9.3.0-r2) >> (17/24) Installing make (4.3-r0) >> (18/24) Installing fortify-headers (1.1-r0) >> (19/24) Installing patch (2.7.6-r6) >> (20/24) Installing build-base (0.5-r2) >> (21/24) Installing linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) >> (22/24) Installing pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) >> (23/24) Installing libffi-dev (3.3-r2) >> (24/24) Installing openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) >> Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger*OK: 224 MiB in 60 packages* >> [ ... ] >> Step 10/14 : RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev >> ---> Running in 709a88c5f43d >> (1/24) Purging build-base (0.5-r2) >> (2/24) Purging file (5.38-r0) >> (3/24) Purging g++ (9.3.0-r2) >> (4/24) Purging gcc (9.3.0-r2) >> (5/24) Purging binutils (2.34-r1) >> (6/24) Purging libatomic (9.3.0-r2) >> (7/24) Purging libgomp (9.3.0-r2) >> (8/24) Purging libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) >> (9/24) Purging libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) >> (10/24) Purging make (4.3-r0) >> (11/24) Purging libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) >> (12/24) Purging musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) >> (13/24) Purging fortify-headers (1.1-r0) >> (14/24) Purging patch (2.7.6-r6) >> (15/24) Purging libffi-dev (3.3-r2) >> (16/24) Purging linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) >> (17/24) Purging openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) >> (18/24) Purging libgcc (9.3.0-r2) >> (19/24) Purging libmagic (5.38-r0) >> (20/24) Purging isl (0.18-r0) >> (21/24) Purging mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) >> (22/24) Purging mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) >> (23/24) Purging gmp (6.2.0-r0) >> (24/24) Purging pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) >> Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger*OK: 15 MiB in 36 packages* >> >> ??, ?? ?????, ??? ?????-?????-?????? ?????????? ???????? 300+Mb, ?? >> ????????? ? 6+45Mb ??????? ???????: >> >> root at gk:/opt/tlspx# docker image list >> REPOSITORY TAG IMAGE ID CREATED SIZE >> contapp latest af34adc59bfa 8 seconds ago 328MB >> python 3.9-alpine 03c59395ddea 17 hours ago 44.9MB >> alpine latest 7731472c3f2a 11 days ago 5.61MB >> >> ???????: >> - ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????? ? ????????, ????? devel set ????? >> ?????? ? ???????? ??????? >> - ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????, ??????????????? ??? ?????? ? ?? >> ??????? ? runtime (????? ? ????? apk del --purge, ?? ?????? ?????? ???????? >> ?????, ??? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??????)? >> >> ???????. >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(??????? ? requirements.txt) > ? ????? ??? ????? Dockerfile: > FROM alpine > FROM python:3.9-alpine > RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > RUN mkdir /opt/contapp > WORKDIR /opt/contapp > > COPY requirements.txt . > RUN pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt > RUN rm requirements.txt > # Cleanup > RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > > COPY core core > COPY base base > > ENV PYTHONPATH "${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" > ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] > ??? ?????? ??????? ????????? - ????? ???????? alpine ???????? 224Mb ? ???????? (????????), ????? ???????? - ???????? 15Mb ? ???????? (it's ok): > Step 4/14 : RUN apk add build-base libffi libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in bafd9776ce4d > fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > (1/24) Installing libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (2/24) Installing libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (3/24) Installing binutils (2.34-r1) > (4/24) Installing libmagic (5.38-r0) > (5/24) Installing file (5.38-r0) > (6/24) Installing gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (7/24) Installing isl (0.18-r0) > (8/24) Installing libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Installing libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Installing libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (11/24) Installing mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (12/24) Installing mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (13/24) Installing gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (14/24) Installing musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (15/24) Installing libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (16/24) Installing g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (17/24) Installing make (4.3-r0) > (18/24) Installing fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (19/24) Installing patch (2.7.6-r6) > (20/24) Installing build-base (0.5-r2) > (21/24) Installing linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (22/24) Installing pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > (23/24) Installing libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (24/24) Installing openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger > OK: 224 MiB in 60 packages > [ ... ] > Step 10/14 : RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in 709a88c5f43d > (1/24) Purging build-base (0.5-r2) > (2/24) Purging file (5.38-r0) > (3/24) Purging g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (4/24) Purging gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (5/24) Purging binutils (2.34-r1) > (6/24) Purging libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (7/24) Purging libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (8/24) Purging libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Purging libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Purging make (4.3-r0) > (11/24) Purging libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (12/24) Purging musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (13/24) Purging fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (14/24) Purging patch (2.7.6-r6) > (15/24) Purging libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (16/24) Purging linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (17/24) Purging openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > (18/24) Purging libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (19/24) Purging libmagic (5.38-r0) > (20/24) Purging isl (0.18-r0) > (21/24) Purging mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (22/24) Purging mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (23/24) Purging gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (24/24) Purging pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger > OK: 15 MiB in 36 packages > ??, ?? ?????, ??? ?????-?????-?????? ?????????? ???????? 300+Mb, ?? ????????? ? 6+45Mb ??????? ???????: > root at gk:/opt/tlspx# docker image list > REPOSITORY TAG IMAGE ID CREATED SIZE > contapp latest af34adc59bfa 8 seconds ago 328MB > python 3.9-alpine 03c59395ddea 17 hours ago 44.9MB > alpine latest 7731472c3f2a 11 days ago 5.61MB > ???????: > - ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????? ? ????????, ????? devel set ????? ?????? ? ???????? ??????? > - ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????, ??????????????? ??? ?????? ? ?? ??????? ? runtime (????? ? ????? apk del --purge, ?? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????, ??? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??????)? > ???????. > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at xlit.one Wed Jan 27 18:43:46 2021 From: doka at xlit.one (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:43:46 +0200 Subject: [uanog] GCC-devel only during container building In-Reply-To: <2e3f9b62-f8af-607f-09e8-317089572858@xlit.one> References: <2e3f9b62-f8af-607f-09e8-317089572858@xlit.one> Message-ID: <841fdbf2-a978-a09b-15f7-733ba47558fd@xlit.one> ??????? ???? ??????????, ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? ???? :) On 26.01.2021 20:17, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ??????, > > ? ?????? ??? ? ????? ??????? ????????? (?????????? ?????, ????????? > ??????????, ?????? ;-) ) ?? ?????? ? ???????? ????????. ? ???????? pip > install ????????? gcc ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ?????????? ????????? > ??????????? ???????? (??????? ? requirements.txt) > > ? ????? ??? ????? Dockerfile: > > FROM alpine > FROM python:3.9-alpine > RUN apk add build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > RUN mkdir /opt/contapp > WORKDIR /opt/contapp > > COPY requirements.txt . > RUN pip install --no-cache-dir -r requirements.txt > RUN rm requirements.txt > # Cleanup > RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > > COPY core core > COPY base base > > ENV PYTHONPATH "${PYTHONPATH}:/opt/contapp" > ENTRYPOINT ["python3", "/opt/contapp/core/daemon.py"] > ??? ?????? ??????? ????????? - ????? ???????? alpine ???????? 224Mb ? > ???????? (????????), ????? ???????? - ???????? 15Mb ? ???????? (it's ok): > Step 4/14 : RUN apk add build-base libffi libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in bafd9776ce4d > fetchhttp://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > fetchhttp://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz > (1/24) Installing libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (2/24) Installing libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (3/24) Installing binutils (2.34-r1) > (4/24) Installing libmagic (5.38-r0) > (5/24) Installing file (5.38-r0) > (6/24) Installing gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (7/24) Installing isl (0.18-r0) > (8/24) Installing libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Installing libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Installing libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (11/24) Installing mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (12/24) Installing mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (13/24) Installing gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (14/24) Installing musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (15/24) Installing libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (16/24) Installing g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (17/24) Installing make (4.3-r0) > (18/24) Installing fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (19/24) Installing patch (2.7.6-r6) > (20/24) Installing build-base (0.5-r2) > (21/24) Installing linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (22/24) Installing pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > (23/24) Installing libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (24/24) Installing openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger > *OK: 224 MiB in 60 packages* > [ ... ] > Step 10/14 : RUN apk del --purge build-base libffi-dev openssl-dev > ---> Running in 709a88c5f43d > (1/24) Purging build-base (0.5-r2) > (2/24) Purging file (5.38-r0) > (3/24) Purging g++ (9.3.0-r2) > (4/24) Purging gcc (9.3.0-r2) > (5/24) Purging binutils (2.34-r1) > (6/24) Purging libatomic (9.3.0-r2) > (7/24) Purging libgomp (9.3.0-r2) > (8/24) Purging libgphobos (9.3.0-r2) > (9/24) Purging libstdc++ (9.3.0-r2) > (10/24) Purging make (4.3-r0) > (11/24) Purging libc-dev (0.7.2-r3) > (12/24) Purging musl-dev (1.1.24-r10) > (13/24) Purging fortify-headers (1.1-r0) > (14/24) Purging patch (2.7.6-r6) > (15/24) Purging libffi-dev (3.3-r2) > (16/24) Purging linux-headers (5.4.5-r1) > (17/24) Purging openssl-dev (1.1.1i-r0) > (18/24) Purging libgcc (9.3.0-r2) > (19/24) Purging libmagic (5.38-r0) > (20/24) Purging isl (0.18-r0) > (21/24) Purging mpc1 (1.1.0-r1) > (22/24) Purging mpfr4 (4.0.2-r4) > (23/24) Purging gmp (6.2.0-r0) > (24/24) Purging pkgconf (1.7.2-r0) > Executing busybox-1.31.1-r19.trigger > *OK: 15 MiB in 36 packages* > > ??, ?? ?????, ??? ?????-?????-?????? ?????????? ???????? 300+Mb, ?? > ????????? ? 6+45Mb ??????? ???????: > > root at gk:/opt/tlspx# docker image list > REPOSITORY TAG IMAGE ID CREATED SIZE > contapp latest af34adc59bfa 8 seconds ago 328MB > python 3.9-alpine 03c59395ddea 17 hours ago 44.9MB > alpine latest 7731472c3f2a 11 days ago 5.61MB > > ???????: > - ??? ?????? ????????? ??????????? ? ????????, ????? devel set ????? > ?????? ? ???????? ??????? > - ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????, ??????????????? ??? ?????? ? ?? > ??????? ? runtime (????? ? ????? apk del --purge, ?? ?????? ?????? > ???????? ?????, ??? ????? ? ?? ?????? ??????)? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 21:39:50 2021 From: alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com (Oleksandr Moskalenko) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:39:50 +0100 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QsNC90LLQvtC1LCDRhdGC0L4g0LzQsNCyINGB0L8=?= =?utf-8?b?0YDQsNCy0YMg0LcgQXBhY2hlIEd1YWNhbW9sZT8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ???? ?? ???????????? ??? ????? ???????? ? Docker ? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? (PostgreSQL/MySQL) ??? ??????? ????? ????????????: 1. NLB 2. ECS Fargate + AutoScaling based on target tracking 3. Aurora Serverless ??? ???? ?? ???????? On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 8:18 AM Oleh Hrynchuk wrote: > ?????? ????. > > ??? ?????? ??????????? ? AWS ????? ?????: https://guacamole.apache.org/ > > ???????? - ???? EC2-??????? ??????????? (RAM, nCPU) ??? ?????????? > ?????????? ??????, ???????, 200 RDP-????????? ???????????. ???????, ?? > ???????? (25-50%) ? ??? - ??????????? ? Learning Management Systems ???? > Coursera, Blackboard, Moodle... > > ? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??????? > ?? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? standalone ?? docker > ????????????? > > ?????. > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 09:06:28 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:06:28 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0J/QsNC90LLQvtC1LCDRhdGC0L4g0LzQsNCyINGB0L8=?= =?utf-8?b?0YDQsNCy0YMg0LcgQXBhY2hlIEd1YWNhbW9sZT8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ???, ?????. ? AWS Marketplace ??????????? ??? "????????? AWS" ????????: 1. Apache Guacamole image ? ???????????? ?????????? SAML 2.0 ?? AWS API ?? ???? AWS Linux. ????? ???????. 2. "?????" Apache Guacamole image ??? Bitnami. ????????????. ????-?? ?????? ?.2 ? ????????? ???? ?? AWS ??2 t3a.large. ??? ???? ?? ???????? ??? "?????". ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ? 1 vCPU ?? 4 Gb RAM. ??, ???????? ????... ? ????????? ???? ????????? ? ????????? connections etc. P.S. ??????????, ?? ? ?.2 (??? ?.1 ?? ????, ?? ?????????????) ??????????? ??????? Apache as reverse proxy. ?? ????? "????-???????????" ????? ?????????? ????? Tomcat ?? front webserver. ?? ??????? ??????????????? ????? ???? ??????, ??????????? ??????? ??????????? Sakai (LMS ????, ?? ???? Tomcat) HTTPS ?? ???? ??????? ????? ? ?????????. ????? ????? ????????? ???????, ??????, ??????, ?????? ???????????? ? ???? ???????? nginx as reverse proxy. ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 21:40 Oleksandr Moskalenko < alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com> ????: > ???? ?? ???????????? ??? ????? ???????? ? Docker ? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? > ???? (PostgreSQL/MySQL) > > ??? ??????? ????? ????????????: > 1. NLB > 2. ECS Fargate + AutoScaling based on target tracking > 3. Aurora Serverless > > ??? ???? ?? ???????? > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 8:18 AM Oleh Hrynchuk > wrote: > >> ?????? ????. >> >> ??? ?????? ??????????? ? AWS ????? ?????: https://guacamole.apache.org/ >> >> ???????? - ???? EC2-??????? ??????????? (RAM, nCPU) ??? ?????????? >> ?????????? ??????, ???????, 200 RDP-????????? ???????????. ???????, ?? >> ???????? (25-50%) ? ??? - ??????????? ? Learning Management Systems ???? >> Coursera, Blackboard, Moodle... >> >> ? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??????? >> ?? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? standalone ?? docker >> ????????????? >> >> ?????. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> /oleh hrynchuk >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"?????". ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ? 1 vCPU ?? 4 Gb RAM. > ??, ???????? ????... > ? ????????? ???? ????????? ? ????????? connections etc. > > P.S. ??????????, ?? ? ?.2 (??? ?.1 ?? ????, ?? ?????????????) ??????????? > ??????? Apache as reverse proxy. ?? ????? "????-???????????" ????? > ?????????? ????? Tomcat ?? front webserver. > ?? ??????? ??????????????? ????? ???? ??????, ??????????? ??????? > ??????????? Sakai (LMS ????, ?? ???? Tomcat) HTTPS ?? ???? ??????? ????? ? > ?????????. ????? ????? ????????? ???????, ??????, ??????, ?????? > ???????????? ? ???? ???????? nginx as reverse proxy. > > > ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 21:40 Oleksandr Moskalenko < > alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com> ????: > >> ???? ?? ???????????? ??? ????? ???????? ? Docker ? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? >> ???? (PostgreSQL/MySQL) >> >> ??? ??????? ????? ????????????: >> 1. NLB >> 2. ECS Fargate + AutoScaling based on target tracking >> 3. Aurora Serverless >> >> ??? ???? ?? ???????? >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 8:18 AM Oleh Hrynchuk >> wrote: >> >>> ?????? ????. >>> >>> ??? ?????? ??????????? ? AWS ????? ?????: https://guacamole.apache.org/ >>> >>> ???????? - ???? EC2-??????? ??????????? (RAM, nCPU) ??? ?????????? >>> ?????????? ??????, ???????, 200 RDP-????????? ???????????. ???????, ?? >>> ???????? (25-50%) ? ??? - ??????????? ? Learning Management Systems ???? >>> Coursera, Blackboard, Moodle... >>> >>> ? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??????? >>> ?? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? standalone ?? docker >>> ????????????? >>> >>> ?????. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> /oleh hrynchuk >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name Server: NS1-109.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-11.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-73.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-90.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-93.AKAM.NET Name Server: USE1.AKAM.NET ? ???? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?????, ?? ???????? ?? ???????????. -- Sergey > On 31 Jan 2021, at 15:12, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ??????, > > Spamcop.net ????? ?????????????, ?????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? *.spamcop.net > > ????? ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???????? - ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????. > > $ host gwhe5r0hg3q4089hg398p4h.bl.spamcop.net DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Using domain server: > Name: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Address: 98.124.243.1#53 > Aliases: > > gwhe5r0hg3q4089hg398p4h.bl.spamcop.net has address 91.195.240.87 > > $ host bl.spamcop.net DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Using domain server: > Name: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Address: 98.124.243.1#53 > Aliases: > > bl.spamcop.net has address 91.195.240.87 > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Sun Jan 31 18:54:08 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 18:54:08 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?U3BhbWNvcCDQtNC+0LzQtdC9INC30LDRjdC60YHQv9Cw?= =?utf-8?b?0LnRgNC40LvRgdGP?= In-Reply-To: <3FEA477D-9F55-4D84-A4A2-2210DF039CA6@netartgroup.com> References: <1612102159.348730000.2ivbb4bz@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <3FEA477D-9F55-4D84-A4A2-2210DF039CA6@netartgroup.com> Message-ID: <1612111942.919037000.mb5licmz@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ???, ???????? ? ??????? ???? ????? ) ? ???? ???? ??????????? ????. ???? ??? ???: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET [.] (198.41.0.4) |\___ m.gtld-servers.net [net] (2001:0501:b1f9:0000:0000:0000:0000:0030) Not queried |\___ m.gtld-servers.net [net] (192.55.83.30) | ? ? |\___ dns2.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (64.98.151.1) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ dns2.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (2604:4000:4000:0000:0064:0098:0151:0001) Not queried | ? ? |\___ dns3.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (98.124.243.2) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ dns3.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (2620:010f:5000:5002:0098:0124:0243:0002) Not queried | ? ? |\___ dns4.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (64.98.151.2) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ dns4.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (2604:4000:4000:0000:0064:0098:0151:0002) Not queried | ? ? |\___ dns5.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (98.124.243.3) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ dns5.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (2620:010f:5000:5002:0098:0124:0243:0003) Not queried | ? ? ?\___ dns1.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (98.124.243.1) Got authoritative answer | ? ? ?\___ dns1.name-services.com [spamcop.net] (2620:010f:5000:5002:0098:0124:0243:0001) Not queried ????? ??? ???: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET [.] (198.41.0.4) |\___ d.gtld-servers.net [net] (2001:0500:856e:0000:0000:0000:0000:0030) Not queried |\___ d.gtld-servers.net [net] (192.31.80.30) | ? ? |\___ ns1-11.akam.net [spamcop.net] (2600:1401:0002:0000:0000:0000:0000:000b) Not queried | ? ? |\___ ns1-11.akam.net [spamcop.net] (193.108.91.11) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ ns1-73.akam.net [spamcop.net] (2600:1401:0002:0000:0000:0000:0000:0049) Not queried | ? ? |\___ ns1-73.akam.net [spamcop.net] (193.108.91.73) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ ns1-90.akam.net [spamcop.net] (2600:1401:0002:0000:0000:0000:0000:005a) Not queried | ? ? |\___ ns1-90.akam.net [spamcop.net] (193.108.91.90) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ ns1-93.akam.net [spamcop.net] (2600:1401:0002:0000:0000:0000:0000:005d) Not queried | ? ? |\___ ns1-93.akam.net [spamcop.net] (193.108.91.93) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ use1.akam.net [spamcop.net] (72.246.46.64) Got authoritative answer | ? ? |\___ ns1-109.akam.net [spamcop.net] (2600:1401:0002:0000:0000:0000:0000:006d) Not queried | ? ? ?\___ ns1-109.akam.net [spamcop.net] (193.108.91.109) Got authoritative answer 31 ????? 2021, 18:49:49, ??? "Sergey Myasoedov" : ??????, ???????? ?? ? ??? ?????, ??????. Domain Name: spamcop.net ... Name Server: NS1-109.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-11.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-73.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-90.AKAM.NET Name Server: NS1-93.AKAM.NET Name Server: USE1.AKAM.NET ? ???? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?????, ?? ???????? ?? ???????????. -- Sergey > On 31 Jan 2021, at 15:12, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ??????, > > Spamcop.net ????? ?????????????, ?????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? *.spamcop.net > > ????? ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? ???????? - ?? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????. > > $ host gwhe5r0hg3q4089hg398p4h.bl.spamcop.net DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Using domain server: > Name: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Address: 98.124.243.1#53 > Aliases: > > gwhe5r0hg3q4089hg398p4h.bl.spamcop.net has address 91.195.240.87 > > $ host bl.spamcop.net DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Using domain server: > Name: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM > Address: 98.124.243.1#53 > Aliases: > > bl.spamcop.net has address 91.195.240.87 > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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