From basil at vpm.net.ua Fri Jul 2 18:37:58 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 18:37:58 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0Y3QutGA0LDQvdC40YDQvtCy0LDRgtGMINCy0YvRgNCw?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LjQtQ==?= Message-ID: ???? ?????? ????????????? ??????, ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????????, ????????? work_mem ? ??????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???? ????????? ? ??????????? ? ?????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? postgres ??????????? psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ {print int(($2)*0.25/'$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT current_setting('max_connections')")')}' /proc/meminfo)" ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? sudo -iu postgres psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ {print int(($2)*0.25/'$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT current_setting('max_connections')")')}' /proc/meminfo)" , ?? ???????? ??????, ???? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????, ? ? ??? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ????????? ? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ????????? ????????????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Fri Jul 2 20:14:50 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 20:14:50 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0Y3QutGA0LDQvdC40YDQvtCy0LDRgtGMINCy0YvRgNCw?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LjQtQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c073e7f-b0aa-56ab-ced7-4d0782290b6a@funlab.cc> ??? ?? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????? ????? ????????? ? ?????????? psql, ?? ???????? ??????????????? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ????????? - ??? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????????: ?max_conn=$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT current_setting('max_connections')") \ ?psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ {print int(($2)*0.25/$max_conn)}' /proc/meminfo)" On 02.07.2021 18:37, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > ???? ?????? > > ????????????? ??????, ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ? ?? > ?????, ?? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? > > ???? ????? ?????????, ????????? work_mem ? ??????????? ?? ?????????? > ?????????? ? ???? ??????????? ??????????? ? ?????? ????????? > > ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? postgres ??????????? > psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ {print > int(($2)*0.25/'$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT > current_setting('max_connections')")')}' /proc/meminfo)" > > ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? > sudo -iu postgres psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk > '/MemTotal/ {print int(($2)*0.25/'$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT > current_setting('max_connections')")')}' /proc/meminfo)" > > , ?? ???????? ??????, ???? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????, ? ? ??? > ??????????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ????????? ? ??? ?? ??????? > ??? ??? ????????? ????????????. > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 2 Jul 2021, 20:15 Volodymyr Litovka, wrote: > ??? ?? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????? ????? ????????? ? ?????????? psql, ?? > ???????? ??????????????? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ????????? - ??? ??????? ????? > ????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????????: > > max_conn=$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT current_setting('max_connections')") \ > psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ {print > int(($2)*0.25/$max_conn)}' /proc/meminfo)" > > > On 02.07.2021 18:37, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > ???? ?????? > > ????????????? ??????, ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ? ?? > ?????, ?? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? > > ???? ????? ?????????, ????????? work_mem ? ??????????? ?? ?????????? > ?????????? ? ???? ????????? ? ??????????? ? ?????? ????????? > > ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? postgres ??????????? > psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ {print > int(($2)*0.25/'$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT > current_setting('max_connections')")')}' /proc/meminfo)" > > ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? > sudo -iu postgres psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ > {print int(($2)*0.25/'$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT > current_setting('max_connections')")')}' /proc/meminfo)" > > , ?? ???????? ??????, ???? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????, ? ? ??? > ??????????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ????????? ? ??? ?? ??????? ??? > ??? ????????? ????????????. > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Sat Jul 3 12:19:41 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 12:19:41 +0300 Subject: [uanog] routeros: static route through default gateway Message-ID: <8cafae82-5a0a-7661-8b4c-71189e2755d9@funlab.cc> ??????, ? ???? ? routeros ??????????? ???????????????? ????????? gateway ??? ??????????? ????????? ?? ???????? default gateway _???_ ??????????? 0/0 ? ???-?????? ???? ip route x.x.x.x/y %defgw ??? %defgw ????? ????????????? ????????????? ?? ????? ????????? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????. Rationale: ??? ??????????? ???????? - ? ??????? VPN-????????, ? ????????? ????? ? ???????? - ????????. ???????, ????? ?????????? ???????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ???????????? :) ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vgarnick at gmail.com Sat Jul 3 13:01:54 2021 From: vgarnick at gmail.com (Volodymyr Garnyk) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 13:01:54 +0300 Subject: [uanog] routeros: static route through default gateway In-Reply-To: <8cafae82-5a0a-7661-8b4c-71189e2755d9@funlab.cc> References: <8cafae82-5a0a-7661-8b4c-71189e2755d9@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ????? ????????? ?????? ??? ????????? DHCP lease: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/DHCP_Client#Lease_script_example ??, 3 ???. 2021 ?. ? 12:19, Volodymyr Litovka : > ??????, > > ? ???? ? routeros ??????????? ???????????????? ????????? gateway ??? > ??????????? ????????? ?? ???????? default gateway _???_ ??????????? 0/0 ? > > ???-?????? ???? > > ip route x.x.x.x/y %defgw > > ??? %defgw ????? ????????????? ????????????? ?? ????? ????????? ????? > ???????? ?? ??????????. > > Rationale: ??? ??????????? ???????? - ? ??????? VPN-????????, ? ????????? > ????? ? ???????? - ????????. > > ???????, ????? ?????????? ???????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ? ????? > ???????????? :) > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Vladimir Garnick [nic-hdl: VG-RIPE, VG-UANIC] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Sat Jul 3 16:01:19 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:01:19 +0300 Subject: [uanog] routeros: static route through default gateway In-Reply-To: References: <8cafae82-5a0a-7661-8b4c-71189e2755d9@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ??????? :) On 03.07.2021 13:01, Volodymyr Garnyk wrote: > ????? ????????? ?????? ??? ????????? DHCP lease: > https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/DHCP_Client#Lease_script_example > > > ??, 3 ???. 2021 ?. ? 12:19, Volodymyr Litovka : > > ??????, > > ? ???? ? routeros ??????????? ???????????????? ????????? gateway > ??? ??????????? ????????? ?? ???????? default gateway _???_ > ??????????? 0/0 ? > > ???-?????? ???? > > ip route x.x.x.x/y %defgw > > ??? %defgw ????? ????????????? ????????????? ?? ????? ????????? > ????? ???????? ?? ??????????. > > Rationale: ??? ??????????? ???????? - ? ??????? VPN-????????, ? > ????????? ????? ? ???????? - ????????. > > ???????, ????? ?????????? ???????????, ?? ??????? ?????? ? ????? > ???????????? :) > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > -- > Vladimir Garnick [nic-hdl: VG-RIPE, VG-UANIC] -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basil at vpm.net.ua Sat Jul 3 17:08:50 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 17:08:50 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0Y3QutGA0LDQvdC40YDQvtCy0LDRgtGMINCy0YvRgNCw?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQtdC90LjQtQ==?= In-Reply-To: <5c073e7f-b0aa-56ab-ced7-4d0782290b6a@funlab.cc> References: <5c073e7f-b0aa-56ab-ced7-4d0782290b6a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ??, 2 ???. 2021 ?. ? 20:14, Volodymyr Litovka : > ??? ?? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????? ????? ????????? ? ?????????? psql, ?? > ???????? ??????????????? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ????????? - ??? ??????? ????? > ????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????????: > > max_conn=$(psql -qtAX -c "SELECT current_setting('max_connections')") \ > psql -c "ALTER SYSTEM SET work_mem = $(awk '/MemTotal/ {print > int(($2)*0.25/$max_conn)}' /proc/meminfo)" > ??? ?? ?????????? - ??? ??? ???????, ?? ????? ???????? ????? ; , ? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????????? ? ????, ? ?????? ?? ????. ???????? ????????? ?? ??? ???????, ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ?? ??? ??? ????????? , ??? ?????? ????? ????????????, ? ????????? ? ??????? ??????? ? ??? ???????????. ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ???????? :( -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Sun Jul 4 11:27:57 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:27:57 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JXQv9GW0LfQvtC0INC3IGhlbHBkZXNrIGRlcHQ=?= Message-ID: - Why didn't your specialists answer my question I asked at 9:45 pm on Saturday? - Our specialists fought among themselves for the opportunity to answer your question, asked on Saturday at 9:45 pm. And they will fight all Sunday. The winner will contact you on Monday at 9:00 am. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpodgorny at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 10:28:39 2021 From: vpodgorny at gmail.com (Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:28:39 +0300 Subject: [uanog] DNSSEC vs. .UA ccTLD Message-ID: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> ??????????? ????. ?????????? ???, ???? ?? ? ??????? ??????????? ? .UA (? ?????? - ? ???? ?????????? ? ??? ?????), ??????? ????? DNSSEC "?? ???????"? ??????????????? ? ??????????, ???? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????????? ?????? ????? (?? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????), ? ?? ??????????? - ???. ??????? ?????????. From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 10:30:52 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:30:52 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing Message-ID: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> ??????, ? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ? Softether VPN server? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ? Web-???????? ?? ????? ????? ???, ??? ??? ????? ??????, ???????? OpenVPN ??? ????????? "port sharing"? ? ????? ??? ????? - ??? ? ???? ? ?????????? SSTP? ????? ????? ???? (??? ??????) ???????????? SSTP? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dk at farm.org Mon Jul 5 10:42:54 2021 From: dk at farm.org (Dmitry Kohmanyuk) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:42:54 +0300 Subject: [uanog] DNSSEC vs. .UA ccTLD In-Reply-To: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> References: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8820A459-D311-4055-8151-1B79B68B85C8@farm.org> On 2021-07-05, at 10:28, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi wrote: > > ???????????? ????. > > ?????????? ???, ???? ?? ? ??????? ??????????? ? .UA (? ?????? - ? ???? ?????????? ? ??? ?????), ??????? ????? DNSSEC "?? ???????"? > > ??????????????? ? ??????????, ???? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????????? ?????? ????? (?? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????), ? ?? ??????????? - ???. > ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ??????? ? ???? ??? ?????? - REST API? ????????? CDS? ??? ?????? ?????? (17) ????????????? ? DNSSEC: ?????? ???????????? UA ????????: 123 ?????? ???????????? ? ?????????? ???????. Mnt-by ?????????? ????? DNSSEC UADRP UADRP com.ua ua.rx ??? "????????" ???????? ua.drs ??? "?????? ??????" ?????? ua.freehost ?? "???????" ???? ua.thehost ??? ???????? ????????? ??????????? ?????? ua.trifle ??? ??? "?????? ??., ???" ?????? ua.imena ??? "???????? ??????" ???? ua.qhost ??? "???????" ????? ua.webber ??? "?????" ???? ua.kshost ??? "??-????" ?????? ua.danesco DANESCO TRADING LTD. Limassol,CY ua.ukrnames ??? "????? ????????-???? ???????" ?????? ua.x-host ??? ??????? ?????? ????????????? ???? ua.unlim ??? "?????.???" ?????? ua.parkovka ??? "??????????" ???? ua.volz ??? "???????-????????? ????? "????" ???? ua.ukraine ??? "??????? ???????" ???? ua.gransy Gransy s.r.o. Prague,CZ > ??????? ?????????. > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpodgorny at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 11:22:43 2021 From: vpodgorny at gmail.com (Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:22:43 +0300 Subject: [uanog] DNSSEC vs. .UA ccTLD In-Reply-To: <8820A459-D311-4055-8151-1B79B68B85C8@farm.org> References: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> <8820A459-D311-4055-8151-1B79B68B85C8@farm.org> Message-ID: ??? ?????? - ???? ?? ??????????? ? ????? ???????????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? DS. CDS/CDNSKEY - ?????????, ?? ???? ??????? minimum minimorum (??. ?????). 05.07.2021 10:42, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ?????: > On 2021-07-05, at 10:28, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi > wrote: >> >> ???????????? ????. >> >> ?????????? ???, ???? ?? ? ??????? ??????????? ? .UA (? ?????? - ? >> ???? ?????????? ? ??? ?????), ??????? ????? DNSSEC "?? ???????"? >> >> ??????????????? ? ??????????, ???? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????????? >> ?????? ????? (?? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????), ? ?? ??????????? - >> ???. >> > > ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ??????? ? ???? ??? ?????? - REST API? ????????? > CDS? > > ??? ?????? ?????? (17) ????????????? ? DNSSEC: > > > ?????? ???????????? UA > > ????????: 123 > ?????? ???????????? ? ?????????? ???????. > > Mnt-by ?????????? ????? DNSSEC UADRP UADRP > com.ua > > ua.rx ??? "????????" > ???????? > > ua.drs ??? "?????? ??????" > ?????? > > ua.freehost ?? "???????" > ???? > > ua.thehost ??? ???????? ????????? ??????????? > ?????? > > ua.trifle ??? ??? "?????? ??., ???" > ?????? > > ua.imena ??? "???????? ??????" > ???? > > ua.qhost ??? "???????" > ????? > > ua.webber ??? "?????" > ???? > > ua.kshost ??? "??-????" > ?????? > > ua.danesco DANESCO TRADING LTD. > Limassol,CY > > ua.ukrnames ??? "????? ????????-???? ???????" > ?????? > > ua.x-host ??? ??????? ?????? ????????????? > ???? > > ua.unlim ??? "?????.???" > ??????? > > ua.parkovka ??? "??????????" > ???? > > ua.volz ??? "???????-????????? ????? "????" > ???? > > ua.ukraine ??? "??????? ???????" > ???? > > ua.gransy Gransy s.r.o. > Prague,CZ > > > >> ??????? ?????????. >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From petr at petrovich.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 14:45:30 2021 From: petr at petrovich.kiev.ua (Serge Negodyuck) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:45:30 +0300 Subject: [uanog] DNSSEC vs. .UA ccTLD In-Reply-To: References: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> <8820A459-D311-4055-8151-1B79B68B85C8@farm.org> Message-ID: ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ????? ???-?????????. ??, 5 ???. 2021 ?. ? 11:22, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi : > ??? ?????? - ???? ?? ??????????? ? ????? ???????????? ?????? ??? ?????? > ?????? DS. CDS/CDNSKEY - ?????????, ?? ???? ??????? minimum minimorum > (??. ?????). > > 05.07.2021 10:42, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ?????: > > On 2021-07-05, at 10:28, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi > > wrote: > >> > >> ???????????? ????. > >> > >> ?????????? ???, ???? ?? ? ??????? ??????????? ? .UA (? ?????? - ? > >> ???? ?????????? ? ??? ?????), ??????? ????? DNSSEC "?? ???????"? > >> > >> ??????????????? ? ??????????, ???? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????????? > >> ?????? ????? (?? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????), ? ?? ??????????? - > >> ???. > >> > > > > ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ??????? ? ???? ??? ?????? - REST API? ????????? > > CDS? > > > > ??? ?????? ?????? (17) ????????????? ? DNSSEC: > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 14:49:14 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:49:14 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 10:30:52AM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ? Softether VPN server? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ? > Web-???????? ?? ????? ????? ???, ??? ??? ????? ??????, ???????? OpenVPN ??? > ????????? "port sharing"? ??????????. ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??????? sstpget > ? ????? ??? ????? - ??? ? ???? ? ?????????? SSTP? ????? ????? ???? (??? > ??????) ???????????? SSTP? ????? ??? ???? ????????? - ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????????? ???????. ?? sstp - ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? openvpn. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 15:01:13 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 15:01:13 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> On 05.07.2021 14:49, Igor Grabin wrote: >> ? ????? ??? ????? - ??? ? ???? ? ?????????? SSTP? ????? ????? ???? (??? >> ??????) ???????????? SSTP? > ????? ??? ???? ????????? - ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????????? ???????. > ?? sstp - ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? > ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? openvpn. ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 15:33:38 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 15:33:38 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:01:13PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > On 05.07.2021 14:49, Igor Grabin wrote: > >>? ????? ??? ????? - ??? ? ???? ? ?????????? SSTP? ????? ????? ???? (??? > >>??????) ???????????? SSTP? > >????? ??? ???? ????????? - ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????????? ???????. > >?? sstp - ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? > >??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? openvpn. > ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? > ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? > ??? ???????. ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? ??????????? ????? ????. ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, push'? ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???????????? mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From vpodgorny at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 15:43:32 2021 From: vpodgorny at gmail.com (Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 15:43:32 +0300 Subject: [uanog] DNSSEC vs. .UA ccTLD In-Reply-To: References: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> <8820A459-D311-4055-8151-1B79B68B85C8@farm.org> Message-ID: <564ea4a9-9be0-ec1d-6a8d-737961c411d8@gmail.com> ??? ???????, ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ????? 05.07.2021 14:45, Serge Negodyuck ?????: > ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ????? ???-?????????. > > ??, 5 ???. 2021 ?. ? 11:22, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi > >: > > ??? ?????? - ???? ?? ??????????? ? ????? ???????????? ?????? ??? > ?????? > ?????? DS. CDS/CDNSKEY - ?????????, ?? ???? ??????? minimum minimorum > (??. ?????). > > 05.07.2021 10:42, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ?????: > > On 2021-07-05, at 10:28, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi > > > > wrote: > >> > >> ???????????? ????. > >> > >> ?????????? ???, ???? ?? ? ??????? ??????????? ? .UA (? ?????? - ? > >> ???? ?????????? ? ??? ?????), ??????? ????? DNSSEC "?? ???????"? > >> > >> ??????????????? ? ??????????, ???? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????????? > >> ?????? ????? (?? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????), ? ?? > ??????????? - > >> ???. > >> > > > > ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ??????? ? ???? ??? ?????? - REST API? > ????????? > > CDS? > > > > ??? ?????? ?????? (17) ????????????? ? DNSSEC: > > > From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 15:58:33 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 15:58:33 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 15:33, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:01:13PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> On 05.07.2021 14:49, Igor Grabin wrote: >>>> ? ????? ??? ????? - ??? ? ???? ? ?????????? SSTP? ????? ????? ???? (??? >>>> ??????) ???????????? SSTP? >>> ????? ??? ???? ????????? - ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????????? ???????. >>> ?? sstp - ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? >>> ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? openvpn. >> ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? >> ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? >> ??? ???????. > ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. > ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? ??? ??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? (?????? ?????+??????, ???????? ????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?? ????????). ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ??????????: $ /interface ovpn-client add auth= md5 null sha1 ????? ????? ????? ???????? ?????? ????????????? (?????????? md5 ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ????????). $ /interface ovpn-client add cipher= aes128 aes192 aes256 blowfish128 null ????? ??????????? ??????. 7?? ????? ???????, ????? ??? udp ??? ???????... ???? ??? wireguard ??? ????. > ??????????? ????? ????. ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, push'? ?? ?????? > ??? ?????, ? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????????, ? openvpn 2.5 ??? ??? ???????? ??? deprecated. > mbr, > -- > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 15:58:41 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 15:58:41 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <08ab3ab1-f626-de9d-f804-8fbc8b453e01@funlab.cc> On 05.07.2021 15:33, Igor Grabin wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:01:13PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> On 05.07.2021 14:49, Igor Grabin wrote: >>>> ? ????? ??? ????? - ??? ? ???? ? ?????????? SSTP? ????? ????? ???? (??? >>>> ??????) ???????????? SSTP? >>> ????? ??? ???? ????????? - ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????????? ???????. >>> ?? sstp - ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? >>> ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? openvpn. >> ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? >> ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? >> ??? ???????. > ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. > ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? > ??????????? ????? ????. ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, push'? ?? ?????? > ??? ?????, ? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???????????? ?? ???? ??? ? ????? ???? ???, ?? ???? ????? ???????????: push routes ???? ?? ??????, ?????? ??? OSPF; ?????????? - ?? ????, ? UDP - ?? ?????, ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????? ???????????????? ????? ?????? ?????????? "???????????? ??? ????? ????????????" ????? ???????????? ?????? TCP/443 :) ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 16:00:47 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:00:47 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: On 05.07.2021 15:58, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >> ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? > > ??? ??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? (?????? ?????+??????, > ???????? ????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?? > ????????). ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ??????????: > > $ /interface ovpn-client add auth= > md5 ?null ?sha1 ??????..... ??? ???? epic fail ?????-??... -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bag-uanog at zurbagan.org Mon Jul 5 16:11:30 2021 From: bag-uanog at zurbagan.org (Andrey Blochintsev) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:11:30 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <08ab3ab1-f626-de9d-f804-8fbc8b453e01@funlab.cc> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <08ab3ab1-f626-de9d-f804-8fbc8b453e01@funlab.cc> Message-ID: Hi! On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 15:58 +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > On 05.07.2021 15:33, Igor Grabin wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:01:13PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> On 05.07.2021 14:49, Igor Grabin wrote: > >>>> ? ????? ??? ????? - ??? ? ???? ? ?????????? SSTP? ????? ????? ???? (??? > >>>> ??????) ???????????? SSTP? > >>> ????? ??? ???? ????????? - ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????????? ???????. > >>> ?? sstp - ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? > >>> ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? openvpn. > >> ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? > >> ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? > >> ??? ???????. > > ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. > > ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? > > ??????????? ????? ????. ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, push'? ?? ?????? > > ??? ?????, ? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???????????? > > ?? ???? ??? ? ????? ???? ???, ?? ???? ????? ???????????: push routes > ???? ?? ??????, ?????? ??? OSPF; ?????????? - ?? ????, ? UDP - ?? ?????, > ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????? ???????????????? ????? ?????? ?????????? > "???????????? ??? ????? ????????????" ????? ???????????? ?????? TCP/443 :) ? ospf ?????? openvpn ?? ?????, ?? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ???? ?????? (??? tun ??????). ??, ??? ????????? ospf ? ????? ????????? fib, ?? ????, ??? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????? openvpn-?. ?? ????, ??, ??? ??????? ? ???? ?????????? ? opvpn-?????? tun ?????????, ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ???????... ??? ?????? ???? ????????? ? openvpn ?????? "iroute" ??? ????? push-??... From petr at petrovich.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 16:13:37 2021 From: petr at petrovich.kiev.ua (Serge Negodyuck) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:13:37 +0300 Subject: [uanog] DNSSEC vs. .UA ccTLD In-Reply-To: <564ea4a9-9be0-ec1d-6a8d-737961c411d8@gmail.com> References: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> <8820A459-D311-4055-8151-1B79B68B85C8@farm.org> <564ea4a9-9be0-ec1d-6a8d-737961c411d8@gmail.com> Message-ID: ??. ??, 5 ???. 2021 ?. ? 15:43, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi : > ??? ???????, ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????????????, ? ????? ?? ????? > ????? > > 05.07.2021 14:45, Serge Negodyuck ?????: > > ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ????? ???-?????????. > > > > ??, 5 ???. 2021 ?. ? 11:22, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi > > >: > > > > ??? ?????? - ???? ?? ??????????? ? ????? ???????????? ?????? ??? > > ?????? > > ?????? DS. CDS/CDNSKEY - ?????????, ?? ???? ??????? minimum minimorum > > (??. ?????). > > > > 05.07.2021 10:42, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ?????: > > > On 2021-07-05, at 10:28, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi > > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ???????????? ????. > > >> > > >> ?????????? ???, ???? ?? ? ??????? ??????????? ? .UA (? ?????? - ? > > >> ???? ?????????? ? ??? ?????), ??????? ????? DNSSEC "?? ???????"? > > >> > > >> ??????????????? ? ??????????, ???? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????????? > > >> ?????? ????? (?? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????), ? ?? > > ??????????? - > > >> ???. > > >> > > > > > > ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ??????? ? ???? ??? ?????? - REST API? > > ????????? > > > CDS? > > > > > > ??? ?????? ?????? (17) ????????????? ? DNSSEC: > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petr at petrovich.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 16:16:33 2021 From: petr at petrovich.kiev.ua (Serge Negodyuck) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 16:16:33 +0300 Subject: [uanog] DNSSEC vs. .UA ccTLD In-Reply-To: References: <72107d25-9704-86ec-920f-eea017ec614a@gmail.com> <8820A459-D311-4055-8151-1B79B68B85C8@farm.org> <564ea4a9-9be0-ec1d-6a8d-737961c411d8@gmail.com> Message-ID: ??????, ????????? ? ????, ?????? com.ua ??, 5 ???. 2021 ?. ? 16:13, Serge Negodyuck : > ??. > > ??, 5 ???. 2021 ?. ? 15:43, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi : > >> ??? ???????, ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ????????????????, ? ????? ?? ????? >> ????? >> >> 05.07.2021 14:45, Serge Negodyuck ?????: >> > ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????? ??????????? ????? ???-?????????. >> > >> > ??, 5 ???. 2021 ?. ? 11:22, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi >> > >: >> > >> > ??? ?????? - ???? ?? ??????????? ? ????? ???????????? ?????? ??? >> > ?????? >> > ?????? DS. CDS/CDNSKEY - ?????????, ?? ???? ??????? minimum >> minimorum >> > (??. ?????). >> > >> > 05.07.2021 10:42, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ?????: >> > > On 2021-07-05, at 10:28, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> ???????????? ????. >> > >> >> > >> ?????????? ???, ???? ?? ? ??????? ??????????? ? .UA (? ?????? - ? >> > >> ???? ?????????? ? ??? ?????), ??????? ????? DNSSEC "?? ???????"? >> > >> >> > >> ??????????????? ? ??????????, ???? ????? ???????? - ??? >> ?????????? >> > >> ?????? ????? (?? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ? ???? ?? ?????), ? ?? >> > ??????????? - >> > >> ???. >> > >> >> > > >> > > ?? ?????? ???????, ??? ??????? ? ???? ??? ?????? - REST API? >> > ????????? >> > > CDS? >> > > >> > > ??? ?????? ?????? (17) ????????????? ? DNSSEC: >> > > >> > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 17:20:56 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 17:20:56 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <08ab3ab1-f626-de9d-f804-8fbc8b453e01@funlab.cc> Message-ID: On 05.07.2021 16:11, Andrey Blochintsev wrote: >> ?? ???? ??? ? ????? ???? ???, ?? ???? ????? ???????????: push routes >> ???? ?? ??????, ?????? ??? OSPF; ?????????? - ?? ????, ? UDP - ?? ?????, >> ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????? ???????????????? ????? ?????? ?????????? >> "???????????? ??? ????? ????????????" ????? ???????????? ?????? TCP/443 :) > ? ospf ?????? openvpn ?? ?????, ?? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ???? ?????? (??? tun ??????). > ??, ??? ????????? ospf ? ????? ????????? fib, ?? ????, ??? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????? openvpn-?. > ?? ????, ??, ??? ??????? ? ???? ?????????? ? opvpn-?????? tun ?????????, ??? ?? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????????? > ?? ????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ???????... > ??? ?????? ???? ????????? ? openvpn ?????? "iroute" ??? ????? push-??... ??-??... ? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????????, ?? ?????? SSTP-???????? OSPF ???????? ??? ????????. ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basil at vpm.net.ua Mon Jul 5 18:08:20 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:08:20 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: > > ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? > ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? > ??? ???????. > ?? ?????? tcp ?????, ??? ?????????? ??????????? ??????, ????? ???-?????? ??????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? - ?? ???????, ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ????? 3000 ? 2000 ?????????, ?.?. ?? ?????? ???????? ? ????? ??????????????????. ? 7-?? ?????? ??????? udp ?.?. ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????/?????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 18:14:22 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:14:22 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <52ae099e-3bbc-4be4-6fca-98d3a4966af7@funlab.cc> ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ?????? IPSec, ?? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ???????? - ? ??? ??? ????????? VTI, ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??? ?????????????? feature request. ??????????????, ?????? policy-based ? ???????? OSPF/BGP. ?? ????????? ?????? ???????? ????? ????????? openwrt ? ??? ????????? ??????, ? ???, ??? ????? ???????? ?????? ??? routeros - ??? ??? pure CPE ??? ? ??????. On 05.07.2021 18:08, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? > ?????, ?? ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? > ? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????. > > ?? ?????? tcp ?????, ??? ?????????? ??????????? ??????, ????? > ???-?????? ??????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? - ?? > ???????, ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ????? 3000 ? 2000 ?????????, > ?.?. ?? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????????????????. > > ? 7-?? ?????? ??????? udp > > ?.?. ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????/?????? > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 18:18:07 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:18:07 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:08, VASYL MELNYK ???????(?): > > ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????. > > ?? ?????? tcp ?????, ??? ?????????? ??????????? ??????, ????? ???-?????? ??????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? - ?? ???????, ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ????? 3000 ? 2000 ?????????, ?.?. ?? ?????? ???????? ? ????? ??????????????????. > > ? 7-?? ?????? ??????? udp ? ????? ??????????, ??? ???? ??? ? tcp/udp. Openvpn ????????? ??? ?? ????, ??? ???? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????. ? ????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??????, ?? ? openvpn ?? ?????????????. ???? 7?? ????, ??? ???? openvpn over udp, ?? ???? ???????? ??, ?? ????? ????????? ? ??????????, ???? ???? ?? ???. ???? ?? ???? 7?? ????????, ???? ?? ??? ??????????, ???????. > ?.?. ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????/?????? -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 18:19:07 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:19:07 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ? ??? openvpn ?????? ???????????? AES-NI ??? ????? ?????? ???????? On 05.07.2021 18:18, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > Hi! > >> 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:08, VASYL MELNYK ???????(?): >> >> ? ???? ??????? - ???????. ??? ???? OpenVPN - ? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ??? _????????_, ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????????????? ? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????. >> >> ?? ?????? tcp ?????, ??? ?????????? ??????????? ??????, ????? ???-?????? ??????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? - ?? ???????, ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ????? 3000 ? 2000 ?????????, ?.?. ?? ?????? ???????? ? ????? ??????????????????. >> >> ? 7-?? ?????? ??????? udp > ? ????? ??????????, ??? ???? ??? ? tcp/udp. Openvpn ????????? ??? ?? ????, ??? ???? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????. ? ????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??????, ?? ? openvpn ?? ?????????????. > ???? 7?? ????, ??? ???? openvpn over udp, ?? ???? ???????? ??, ?? ????? ????????? ? ??????????, ???? ???? ?? ???. ???? ?? ???? 7?? ????????, ???? ?? ??? ??????????, ???????. > >> ?.?. ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????/?????? -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 18:20:23 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:20:23 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:19, Volodymyr Litovka ???????(?): > > ? ??? openvpn ?????? ???????????? AES-NI ??? ????? ?????? ???????? ??, ??-?????, ?? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ;-) > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 18:25:01 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:25:01 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> ??? ??... ?????? ??????????? ????? - ???? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?? ????????????? openssl ? ?????? ????????? ????????? "??? ?? ???????? - ????? ?? ???????", ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????, ???? ?????? ? ????? ???? ?????????, ?????? ???? ???????? ? ?????, ? ??? - ???? ??????, ???? - "??????, ??????, ???? ? ???????!" ? ????? ?? ??????. ? ?? ???? ???? ?????????. ?????? ???????????, ???????? ?? ???? ? ???? - "?? ?? ???????, ?????. ?? ??????." On 05.07.2021 18:20, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > Hi! > >> 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:19, Volodymyr Litovka ???????(?): >> >> ? ??? openvpn ?????? ???????????? AES-NI ??? ????? ?????? ???????? > ??, ??-?????, ?? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ;-) > >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 18:26:49 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:26:49 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <1E3F18F9-CFF9-4F8A-A1B7-A78648205D95@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:25, Volodymyr Litovka ???????(?): > > ??? ??... ?????? ??????????? ????? - ???? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?? ????????????? openssl ? ?????? ????????? ????????? "??? ?? ???????? - ????? ?? ???????", ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????, ???? ?????? ? ????? ???? ?????????, ?????? ???? ???????? ? ?????, ? ??? - ???? ??????, ???? - "??????, ??????, ???? ? ???????!" ? ????? ?? ??????. ? ?? ???? ???? ?????????. ?????? ???????????, ???????? ?? ???? ? ???? - "?? ?? ???????, ?????. ?? ??????." ? ????? ??????? openvpn ?????????? aesni? ? ???? ???? ???????? ? ????.. ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????. > On 05.07.2021 18:20, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >> Hi! >> >> >>> 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:19, Volodymyr Litovka >>> ???????(?): >>> >>> ? ??? openvpn ?????? ???????????? AES-NI ??? ????? ?????? ???????? >>> >> ??, ??-?????, ?? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ;-) >> >>> -- >>> Volodymyr Litovka >>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>> > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 5 18:30:18 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:30:18 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1E3F18F9-CFF9-4F8A-A1B7-A78648205D95@vc.org.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> <1E3F18F9-CFF9-4F8A-A1B7-A78648205D95@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: On 05.07.2021 18:26, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > Hi! > >> 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:25, Volodymyr Litovka ???????(?): >> >> ??? ??... ?????? ??????????? ????? - ???? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?? ????????????? openssl ? ?????? ????????? ????????? "??? ?? ???????? - ????? ?? ???????", ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ???????, ???? ?????? ? ????? ???? ?????????, ?????? ???? ???????? ? ?????, ? ??? - ???? ??????, ???? - "??????, ??????, ???? ? ???????!" ? ????? ?? ??????. ? ?? ???? ???? ?????????. ?????? ???????????, ???????? ?? ???? ? ???? - "?? ?? ???????, ?????. ?? ??????." > ? ????? ??????? openvpn ?????????? aesni? ? ???? ???? ???????? ? ????.. ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????. ? ??????? openvpn ?? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ???? ????. ?? ? ????, ??? openssl ????? AES-NI ? ??, ??? ???????? openssl, ????????????? ???????? AES-NI. ????????, ?? ?? ????? ????? ? ??? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????? ????? - OpenSSL can delegate execution of crypto operations to a variety of hardware devices through the engine interface. On top of this interface is implemented the engine cryptodev which is used to offload crypto operations to hardware devices under the control of the operating system kernel. Cryptodev engine was originally developed for OpenBSD and later the same API was ported to GNU/Linux operating system by several drivers like OCF and cryptodev-linux. Cryptodev-linux is a Linux kernel driver that exposes the internal crypto API to user-space via the device file /dev/crypto. User-space applications use ioctl system calls to ask the Linux kernel to perform crypto operations on their behalf. The Linux kernel supports a multitude of crypto algorithms with software implementations running on CPU. Drivers for hardware accelerators are installed with higher priority and override software implementations with no further configuration. > >> On 05.07.2021 18:20, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> >>>> 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:19, Volodymyr Litovka >>>> ???????(?): >>>> >>>> ? ??? openvpn ?????? ???????????? AES-NI ??? ????? ?????? ???????? >>>> >>> ??, ??-?????, ?? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ;-) >>> >>>> -- >>>> Volodymyr Litovka >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 18:41:07 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:41:07 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:58:33PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > > ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. > > ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? > ??? ??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? (?????? ?????+??????, ???????? ????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?? ????????). ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ??????????: ??? ? ?????? ????????? ? ???? ????????. ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????-?? ????, ??? ??. ?? ????? ????????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 18:47:49 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:47:49 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> <1E3F18F9-CFF9-4F8A-A1B7-A78648205D95@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <20210705154749.GL7301@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 06:30:18PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ? ??????? openvpn ?? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ???? ????. ?? ? ????, ??? openssl > ????? AES-NI ? ??, ??? ???????? openssl, ????????????? ???????? AES-NI. > ????????, ?? ?? ????? ????? ? ??? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????? ????? - ?????, ??????? ? ? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????. 20% ????????? ?? ???. ?? ? ????. ??? ??????????? ?? openvpn - ???????? 100-120 ??????? ?? pc hardware ? ????? ???????, ???? ????? ?????? - ?? ?????????? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ?????. ?? ???????? - ? ????? ???????, ??????, ??????????????? ???????, ??????????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? rdp ????? ???????????. ??. ? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ????????. ???? ??????? vpn+?????-???? ?????? ?? ???????? - ipsec ??????????? ??? ?????????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 18:58:13 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:58:13 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:41, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:58:33PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >>> ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. >>> ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? >> ??? ??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? (?????? ?????+??????, ???????? ????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?? ????????). ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ??????????: > > ??? ? ?????? ????????? ? ???? ????????. ?????????? ?????????? ????? > ?????-?? ????, ??? ??. ?? ????? ????????. ?? ?????????, ??????????? ??? ??????/???????, ?????? ?? ???????????? ? ???? ?????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ???-?? ??????: Couldn't add New Interface - wrong user name (6) ??? ??? ???????, ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???????. > mbr, > -- > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 19:06:42 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:06:42 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705154749.GL7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> <1E3F18F9-CFF9-4F8A-A1B7-A78648205D95@vc.org.ua> <20210705154749.GL7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:47, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 06:30:18PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> ? ??????? openvpn ?? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ???? ????. ?? ? ????, ??? openssl >> ????? AES-NI ? ??, ??? ???????? openssl, ????????????? ???????? AES-NI. >> ????????, ?? ?? ????? ????? ? ??? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????? ????? - > ?????, ??????? ? ? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????. 20% ????????? ?? ???. > ?? ? ????. ???? ???? ??? aesni ??????, ?? ??? ???? ?????? 20%: c -evp: type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes 16384 bytes aes-128-cbc 639528.40k 689724.67k 697062.74k 696455.51k 711824.73k 686402.51k ??? -evp: aes-128 cbc 180269.01k 201220.95k 207307.35k 206788.61k 205395.29k 205023.91k ??????? ?????, ? ??? ?????? ?? 20%. ???? ?? ?? ?????. ????????? ?????? ? ???, ??? openvpn ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ????????. ipsec ??? wireguard -- ??? ??? ????????. -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 22:09:35 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 22:09:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 06:58:13PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:41, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:58:33PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > >>> ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. > >>> ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? > >> ??? ??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? (?????? ?????+??????, ???????? ????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?? ????????). ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ??????????: > > ??? ? ?????? ????????? ? ???? ????????. ?????????? ?????????? ????? > > ?????-?? ????, ??? ??. ?? ????? ????????. > ?? ?????????, ??????????? ??? ??????/???????, ?????? ?? ???????????? ? ???? ?????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ???-?? ??????: > Couldn't add New Interface - wrong user name (6) > ??? ??? ???????, ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???????. ?? ??? ??? ?????????-??? ;-). ????????? ??? ?????, ???????? openvpn client'?. ????????. ?? ? /export ????? ?????? ???: /interface ovpn-client add certificate=dacha01.crt_0 connect-to=hehe.death.kiev.ua mac-address=\ 02:12:7B:A9:03:B9 name=death user=dem0n board-name: hAP ac model: RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT firmware-type: qca9550L factory-firmware: 6.44 current-firmware: 6.45.1 ? ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ? ??????????? CA. ? ??????-?????? ?? ???????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 22:12:56 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 22:12:56 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> <1E3F18F9-CFF9-4F8A-A1B7-A78648205D95@vc.org.ua> <20210705154749.GL7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20210705191256.GN7301@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 07:06:42PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 06:30:18PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> ? ??????? openvpn ?? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ???? ????. ?? ? ????, ??? openssl > >> ????? AES-NI ? ??, ??? ???????? openssl, ????????????? ???????? AES-NI. > >> ????????, ?? ?? ????? ????? ? ??? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????? ????? - > > ?????, ??????? ? ? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????. 20% ????????? ?? ???. > > ?? ? ????. [...skip...] > ??????? ?????, ? ??? ?????? ?? 20%. ???? ?? ?? ?????. ? ??? ?? ???? ????? ?? openvpn. ? ???? ?????-?? ????? ??? openssl, ?????????? ?? ??. iperf ? ?????? ;-). > ????????? ?????? ? ???, ??? openvpn ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ????????. ipsec ??? wireguard -- ??? ??? ????????. wireguard ???????? ?????????. ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???????? - ??? ????????? ;-) mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 22:50:42 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 22:50:42 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705191256.GN7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <64296DAE-C2AE-4DF5-8B3B-4E2A1D7C63DC@vc.org.ua> <488fa69b-cf6e-1967-ca53-116083678d70@funlab.cc> <1E3F18F9-CFF9-4F8A-A1B7-A78648205D95@vc.org.ua> <20210705154749.GL7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705191256.GN7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <576EAE2D-09F9-4257-B14F-1155E683A138@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 22:12, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 07:06:42PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 06:30:18PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>>> ? ??????? openvpn ?? ?????? ? ?????? ??? ???? ????. ?? ? ????, ??? openssl >>>> ????? AES-NI ? ??, ??? ???????? openssl, ????????????? ???????? AES-NI. >>>> ????????, ?? ?? ????? ????? ? ??? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????? ????? - >>> ?????, ??????? ? ? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????. 20% ????????? ?? ???. >>> ?? ? ????. > [...skip...] >> ??????? ?????, ? ??? ?????? ?? 20%. ???? ?? ?? ?????. > ? ??? ?? ???? ????? ?? openvpn. ? ???? ?????-?? ????? ??? openssl, > ?????????? ?? ??. > iperf ? ?????? ;-). ? ??? aesni ? openssl ;-) openvpn ? ?? ??????. ?? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???????, ??? openvpn ??? ??? ??? openssl. >> ????????? ?????? ? ???, ??? openvpn ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ????????. ipsec ??? wireguard -- ??? ??? ????????. > wireguard ???????? ?????????. ??? ??????????????? ? ?????? ?? ??? ??? > ???????? - ??? ????????? ;-) ?? ??? -- ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ??? ????? ?????????. ? ????????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ????+????? ? ???????? ??????? -- ????????, ?????????? ??????????? ?? ?????????? (? ?????? ? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?????????????????? ?????), ?? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ? sia@ (???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????) ???? ??? ???????? ??????. > mbr, > -- > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From vc at vc.org.ua Mon Jul 5 22:57:16 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 22:57:16 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 22:09, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 06:58:13PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >>> 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 18:41, Igor Grabin ???????(?): >>> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:58:33PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >>>>> ??????????, ??? sstp ????? ?????, ???????? ? ?????????? softether. >>>>> ???????? ????????? ? openvpn ?? ??????? - ??????????? udp, ?? ? ?? >>>> ??? ??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? (?????? ?????+??????, ???????? ????????????? ? ????? ??????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?? ????????). ?? ?????? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ??????????: >>> ??? ? ?????? ????????? ? ???? ????????. ?????????? ?????????? ????? >>> ?????-?? ????, ??? ??. ?? ????? ????????. >> ?? ?????????, ??????????? ??? ??????/???????, ?????? ?? ???????????? ? ???? ?????? ???????????? ??? ?????? ???-?? ??????: >> Couldn't add New Interface - wrong user name (6) >> ??? ??? ???????, ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???????. > ?? ??? ??? ?????????-??? ;-). ????????? ??? ?????, ???????? openvpn > client'?. ????????. ?? ? /export ????? ?????? ???: > /interface ovpn-client > add certificate=dacha01.crt_0 connect-to=hehe.death.kiev.ua > mac-address=\ > 02:12:7B:A9:03:B9 name=death user=dem0n > board-name: hAP ac > model: RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT > firmware-type: qca9550L > factory-firmware: 6.44 > current-firmware: 6.45.1 > > ? ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ? ??????????? CA. ? > ??????-?????? ?? ???????. ??? user ???????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ???? ????????. ??? ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ????????. > mbr, > -- > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon Jul 5 23:37:46 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 23:37:46 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 10:57:16PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > > ? ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ? ??????????? CA. ? > > ??????-?????? ?? ???????. > ??? user ???????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ???? ????????. ??? ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ????????. ???-?? ?? ??? ?????. ??? ?????? ? ???, ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????????. ????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ? ??????????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ?????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????????, ? ??? ?????? ??? ??????-?????-?????? ????? ???. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From edigarov at qarea.com Wed Jul 7 09:55:40 2021 From: edigarov at qarea.com (Gregory Edigarov) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 09:55:40 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0Y8g0L3QtSDRgdC70LjRiNC60L7QvCDRgdGC0YDQsNC9?= =?utf-8?b?0L3QvtCz0L4g0YXQvtGH0YM/?= Message-ID: <7532d6fa-9b5d-a3e1-67b1-bda1fde69bb9@qarea.com> ???? ??????. ???? ???????? ?????? ???????????? ? ???? ????????? ???????????, ????? CRUD.local, ? ?????????? ??????? OpenSSH-Server ???? ??? ????, ??????????? ? ProgramData\ssh\administrators_authorized_keys ??????? ???????? - ? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ssh Administrator at 192.168.15.64 ssh administrator at 192.168.15.64 10286? ssh -vv administrator at 192.168.15.64 10290? ssh -vv administrator at 192.168.15.64 10291? ssh -vv Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10292? ssh -vv CRUD\\Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10293? ssh -vv Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10294? ssh -vv CRUD\\administrator at 192.168.15.64 10295? ssh -vv CRUD\\\\administrator at 192.168.15.64 10296? ssh -vv CRUD\\\\Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10297? ssh -vv Administrator at CRUD.locak 192.168.15.64 10298? ssh -vv -l Administrator at CRUD.local 192.168.15.64 10299? ssh -vv -l Administrator:CRUD.local 192.168.15.64 10300? ssh -vv -l Administrator:CRUD 192.168.15.64 10302? ssh -vv -l Administrator:CRUD 192.168.15.64 10311? ssh -vv -l Administrator:CRUD 192.168.15.64 10313? ssh -vv -l Administrator/CRUD 192.168.15.64 10314? ssh -vv -l Administrator//CRUD 192.168.15.64 10315? ssh -vv -l Administrator\\CRUD 192.168.15.64 10316? ssh -vv -l Administrator\\\\CRUD 192.168.15.64 10317? ssh -vv -l Administrator\\\\\\CRUD 192.168.15.64 10318? ssh -vv Administrator\\\\\\CRUD at 192.168.15.64 10319? ssh -vv Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10320? ssh -vv crud.local/Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10321? ssh -vv crud.local\\Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10322? ssh -vv crud.local\\\\Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10323? ssh -vv crud.local\Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10324? ssh -vv crud.local\\Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10325? ssh -vv crud.local/Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10326? ssh -vv crud.local//Administrator at 192.168.15.64 10327? ssh -vv crud.local\\Administrator at 192.168.15.64 ????? ?????? ????. ???????. From violent at death.kiev.ua Wed Jul 7 10:03:30 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 10:03:30 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?0SDOxSDTzMnby8/NINPU0sHOzs/HzyDIz97VPw==?= In-Reply-To: <7532d6fa-9b5d-a3e1-67b1-bda1fde69bb9@qarea.com> References: <7532d6fa-9b5d-a3e1-67b1-bda1fde69bb9@qarea.com> Message-ID: <20210707070330.GR7301@death.kiev.ua> On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 09:55:40AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > ???? ???????? ?????? ???????????? ? ???? ????????? ???????????, ????? > CRUD.local, ? ?????????? ??????? OpenSSH-Server > ???? ??? ????, ??????????? ? ProgramData\ssh\administrators_authorized_keys > ??????? ???????? - ? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ? ssh ???? ????????????????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? authorized_keys, ??? ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????. ??? ??? - sshd -D, ? ssh -v. ????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????. 90% ??????? - ???? ????????? ???????? ? ???? ? ??????-?? ?????, ???? ???-?? ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ???? ?? ??. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From alex at euro.net.ua Wed Jul 7 10:04:59 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 10:04:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ??? ? ???? ?????? ???????? ? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ? ??????????????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ???? ?????? ? "???????? ???"! ? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ????-?????????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????????? ???? ? ?????? "?? ?????". ????? ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????. ????????????: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vu38kVVQxQ ??????? ?? NanoPi NEO2. ????? 2: ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5hVDt7S2U ?????????????? ?????????: 1) ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ?? Linux: http://cluster.linux-ekb.info/ 2) ????? MPI: http://www.ccas.ru/mmes/educat/lab04k/01/basics.html 3) ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? OpenMPI: https://habrahabr.ru/post/142218/ 4) OpenMOSIX HowTo: https://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/openMozix_howto/ 5) ??? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ?? OpenMOSIX: http://www.openmosixview.com/screens.html 6) ????? ?????????? ???????? ? BOINC: https://geektimes.ru/post/271288/ 7) ?????? ??? ??????????? BOINC: https://developer.ibm.com/technologies/linux/ 8) ???. ???? Docker: https://www.docker.com/ 9) ?????? ??? ????? ??? ? Docker: https://habr.com/ru/company/redmadrobot/blog/318866/ 10) ??? ???? ???? ???????? ?? NanoPi ? ????????? ?????: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4xTT2bnRc Monday, July 5, 2021, 11:37:46 PM, Igor Grabin violent at death.kiev.ua you wrote: IG> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 10:57:16PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >> > ? ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ? ??????????? CA. ? >> > ??????-?????? ?? ???????. >> ??? user ???????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ???? ????????. ??? ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ????????. IG> ???-?? ?? ??? ?????. ??? ?????? ? ???, ???????? ?? ?????? ?? IG> ????????????. ????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ? IG> ??????????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ?????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????????, ? IG> ??? ?????? ??? ??????-?????-?????? ????? ???. IG> mbr, -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at funlab.cc Wed Jul 7 10:11:04 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 10:11:04 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <55895e38-18f2-19ee-60e6-144ad4778d67@funlab.cc> ??????, ?????? ????????? ? ?????, ? ??? - ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????. ? ?????? - ? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????, ? ??????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ?, ??? ????, ????????? ? ??????? ? ??????????? ???????. ? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? Openwrt - ??? ??? ?????????? ??????? :) On 07.07.2021 10:04, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > ? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ??? ? ???? ?????? ???????? ? > > ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ? ??????????????????? ? ??????? > ?????????? > ?? ??? ????????? ??? ???? ?????? ? "???????? ???"! > ? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ????-?????????? ? ?????? ???????? > ????????????? ???? ? ?????? "?? ?????". > > ????? ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????. > > ????????????: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vu38kVVQxQ > ??????? ?? NanoPi NEO2. ????? 2: ?? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5hVDt7S2U > > ?????????????? ?????????: > 1) ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ?? Linux: http://cluster.linux-ekb.info/ > 2) ????? MPI: http://www.ccas.ru/mmes/educat/lab04k/01/basics.html > 3) ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? OpenMPI: https://habrahabr.ru/post/142218/ > 4) OpenMOSIX HowTo: https://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/openMozix_howto/ > 5) ??? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ?? OpenMOSIX: http://www.openmosixview.com/screens.html > 6) ????? ?????????? ???????? ? BOINC: https://geektimes.ru/post/271288/ > 7) ?????? ??? ??????????? BOINC: https://developer.ibm.com/technologies/linux/ > 8) ???. ???? Docker: https://www.docker.com/ > 9) ?????? ??? ????? ??? ? Docker: https://habr.com/ru/company/redmadrobot/blog/318866/ > 10) ??? ???? ???? ???????? ?? NanoPi ? ????????? ?????: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4xTT2bnRc > > > Monday, July 5, 2021, 11:37:46 PM, Igor Grabin violent at death.kiev.ua you wrote: > IG> On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 10:57:16PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >>>> ? ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ? ??????????? CA. ? >>>> ??????-?????? ?? ???????. >>> ??? user ???????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ???? ????????. ??? ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ????????. > IG> ???-?? ?? ??? ?????. ??? ?????? ? ???, ???????? ?? ?????? ?? > IG> ????????????. ????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ? > IG> ??????????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ?????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????????, ? > IG> ??? ?????? ??? ??????-?????-?????? ????? ???. > > IG> mbr, > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From violent at death.kiev.ua Wed Jul 7 10:34:55 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 10:34:55 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> References: <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <20210707073455.GS7301@death.kiev.ua> On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 10:04:59AM +0300, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ??? ? ???? ?????? ???????? ? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? open-source, ? ??? ???? ??????? ????? ? ??????????-????? "???? ? ?????, ???????, ????????". > ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ? ??????????????????? ? ??????? > ?????????? > ?? ??? ????????? ??? ???? ?????? ? "???????? ???"! > ? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ????-?????????? ? ?????? ???????? > ????????????? ???? ? ?????? "?? ?????". ???? ??, ?? ??? ???????????. ?? ???? ?????? "???? ? ????? 30 ????, ?????? ?? ??? ??????????? ???????" ???????? "???????? ????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????????....". ?? ? ?????? ????????. ? ??? ?? ??????? ?????????, ??? ? *pi, ?? ??????? - hex ($60) ???? hex lite ($40). ?? *pi ????? ??????? ???????????, ????? ? ??????? (??????, ????????, ??, ???????????? ????????) ?????? ? ?? ?? ??????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From vc at vc.org.ua Wed Jul 7 20:34:18 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 20:34:18 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <552DD80E-AE76-4459-9071-CB0C6017A43A@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 5 ???? 2021 ?., ? 23:37, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 10:57:16PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >>> ? ??? ????? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ? ??????????? CA. ? >>> ??????-?????? ?? ???????. >> ??? user ???????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ???? ????????. ??? ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ????????. > > ???-?? ?? ??? ?????. ??? ?????? ? ???, ???????? ?? ?????? ?? > ????????????. ????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ? > ??????????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ?????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????????, ? > ??? ?????? ??? ??????-?????-?????? ????? ???. Ok, ????? ??????? ??? ???????? -- ??? ????? ? ????????? ?????? ??? ?? ????... ???? ????? ????? ? ???? ??????? auth ???? ???????? ?? md5 ? sha1 ??????????? ????????. > mbr, > -- > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From vc at vc.org.ua Wed Jul 7 22:10:14 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 22:10:14 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: Hi! > 7 ???? 2021 ?., ? 10:04, Alexander V Soroka ???????(?): > > ?????? ! > > ? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ??? ? ???? ?????? ???????? ? ???????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ????????. ?? ??? ???????????, ?? ??? ??. > ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ? ??????????????????? ? ??????? > ?????????? > ?? ??? ????????? ??? ???? ?????? ? "???????? ???"! RouterOS -- ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ;-) > ? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ????-?????????? ? ?????? ???????? > ????????????? ???? ? ?????? "?? ?????". ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?????????? "????-??????????" ? "???????", ??? ????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? (?? ? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ???????? ?????????). ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????. ? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ???????? ?? ? ?????-?????? ??????, ?????? ???????.. ????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????? ? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???????? -- ??? ???????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?????. > ????? ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????. > > ????????????: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vu38kVVQxQ > ??????? ?? NanoPi NEO2. ????? 2: ?? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5hVDt7S2U ????? ????????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ?.?. -- ?????? ???????. ?? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?? ?????????. ????? ??????? -- ??? ??? ???, ???? ????????? ??????????, ? ?? ????? "???????? ? ????????", ?? ?????? ??? ? ???, ????? ???-?? ??? ?? ????? ??????? -- ????? ???? ?????? RIPE ??????, ? ?? ??? ????? (?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??? ?? wifi, ?? ????? ??????). ???? ? ???? raspberry pi. WiFi ???, ????? ??????, ?? ?????, ? ???? ?? ???????? ???????????? ? 2.4 ? 5??? ?????????, ??? ??????????, ?? ?? ????? (?.?. ??????????????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????). Ethernet ????? ????, ??? ? ? ??????????? ????????, ????? ?????????? PoE -- ????? ???????? ??? ?????? (??????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?????? raspberry). ?????? ? ???, raspberry pi 4b ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????????? ? athlon64 x2 4800+, ?????? ???? ? 10 ??? ??????. ??? ???????? ?????? -- ?????? ????? ????? ?? ?????????????, ??? ?? vpn, web ??? ???????, ???????? ??????, dlna, ????????.. ????? ???? ?????? ? ????????????? ??? ???????????? ????. ?????? ????? ???????, ??? ??? ????? ??????? "????????", ??? ??????? ? ????? ?????????? (????? ?? ????? ????? ???????????), ?? ? ? ????? ?????????, ?.?. ?? sd-????? ????? ?? ????????, ???? ???? ????? ????? ????????? ???-?? ?????? (???????? ????). > -- > Best regards, > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ > AS106-RIPE > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From alex at euro.net.ua Sat Jul 10 09:38:03 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:38:03 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> ???????????? ! Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 10:10:14 PM, Viktor Cheburkin vc at vc.org.ua you wrote: >> 7 ???? 2021 ?., ? 10:04, Alexander V Soroka ???????(?): >> ? ??? ?? ?????, ?? ?? ??? ? ???? ?????? ???????? ? VC> ???????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ????????. ?? ??? ???????????, ?? ??? ??. ??????? ?????????? - ??? ????????????? ?????????????????? ??????. ??? ??? ????? ???????? ? ????????????? - ????????????? ???????? ?? ???? ? ???????????. >> ? ?????? ???? ???? ????????? ????-?????????? ? ?????? ???????? >> ????????????? ???? ? ?????? "?? ?????". VC> ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?????????? "????-??????????" ? "???????", ??? VC> ????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? (?? ? ??????????? VC> ?????? ??????? ???????? ?????????). ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????. VC> ? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ???????? ?? ? ?????-?????? ??????, ?????? VC> ???????.. ????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????? ? ??? ???? VC> ????? ????? ????? ???????? -- ??? ???????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?????. ??? (???????? ??) ????? ????? ?? ???????. ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) ??? ????? ??? ????????. >> ????? ???? ??????? ???????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????. >> ????????????: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vu38kVVQxQ >> ??????? ?? NanoPi NEO2. ????? 2: ?? >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5hVDt7S2U VC> ????? ????????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ?.?. -- ?????? ???????. VC> ?? ??? ??? ???????? ? ?? ?????????. VC> ????? ??????? -- ??? ??? ???, ???? ????????? ??????????, ? ?? VC> ????? "???????? ? ????????", ?? ?????? ??? ? ???, ????? ???-?? ??? VC> ?? ????? ??????? -- ????? ???? ?????? RIPE ??????, ? ?? ??? ????? VC> (?.?. ?? ?? ????? ??? ?? wifi, ?? ????? ??????). "???????? ? ????????" ?????????? ?? ???? ??? ? ??? ?????? ?????-???? ???, ??? ???-?? ??????? ? ???????? "????? ???????? ?? ???????". ????? ?????? ??????????? + ???????? ? ???????? ???? ????????????. ?? ???????? ?? ????. VC> ???? ? ???? raspberry pi. WiFi ???, ????? ??????, ?? ?????, ? ???? VC> ?? ???????? ???????????? ? 2.4 ? 5??? ?????????, ??? ??????????, VC> ?? ?? ????? (?.?. ??????????????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????). ???-?? ????? ??? ???????? :-) ?????? ??? ????? ? ??????????, ? ????????? ?? ??????? ????, ? ??? ??? ? ?????. ?? ???????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?????. ??? ???. ???: ?????? ?? 2.4??? ? 5??? ????? ??????! ?????? ??? ?????? ??????. ??? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? - ???????? ?? 2.4??? ? ???????? ?? 5??? ??? ???-?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????????? 5??? ? ????? 2.4???. ?? ???? ??? ???????. VC> Ethernet ????? ????, ??? ? ? ??????????? ????????, ????? VC> ?????????? PoE -- ????? ???????? ??? ?????? (??????? ????? ???? ?? VC> ??? ?????? raspberry). ?? ? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????? - ???????? ???? ???????? - ?????? ? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????, ??????? ?????????? ??? ??? "?????????? ? IoT" ? ?? ??? ?????? ???????... ???????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?????? :) ??????????? ?? ???????????, ???????? ?????? ???????, ? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? ?? ??????. VC> ?????? ? ???, raspberry pi 4b ?????? ?????????? ?? VC> ?????????????????? ? athlon64 x2 4800+, ?????? ???? ? 10 ??? VC> ??????. ??? ???? ????????????! ??? ????????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ???????! VC> ??? ???????? ?????? -- ?????? ????? ????? ?? ?????????????, ??? ?? VC> vpn, web ??? ???????, ???????? ??????, dlna, ????????.. ????? ???? VC> ?????? ? ????????????? ??? ???????????? ????. ?????? ????? VC> ???????, ??? ??? ????? ??????? "????????", ??? ??????? ? ????? VC> ?????????? (????? ?? ????? ????? ???????????), ?? ? ? ????? VC> ?????????, ?.?. ?? sd-????? ????? ?? ????????, ???? ???? ????? VC> ????? ????????? ???-?? ?????? (???????? ????). ??? ??? ???????. ????????????? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? "????" ???? ??? ??? ?????, ? ????????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ???? ?? ???????. -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at funlab.cc Sat Jul 10 13:28:50 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 13:28:50 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? > ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? -? ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? 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Saturday, July 10, 2021, 1:28:50 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: VL> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? >> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. VL> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? VL> ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? VL> ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? VL> ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? VL> ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, VL> ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? VL> ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? VL> ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? VL> ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? VL> ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. :-) ??? ??? ??? 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"?" ???? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????. ???????. ?? ????? ???? ???????? ????????. ??? ?? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ???????? ??????... ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ??????? ??????????? ??????, ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ????: ? ??? ????????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????????? ? ???????? :-) ... >> ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? >> ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) >> ??? ????? ??? ????????. VL> "????? ?????" ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????-????? ????????????? ? VL> ????????? ????? 95% ??????. ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????, VL> ??? ?? ?? ?????????, "?????? ?????", ?? ????? ? ??? 100 ????????? VL> ??????? - ? ??? (?) ?????? ? (?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? VL> ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. ????? ????????????????... ??????? ???? ???? ???????? ???????????? ??????????????, ? ?? ??????? ??? vendor lock-in ??? ????????? ? ??? ????? ???????????, ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ? ?????? ????. ???? ???????? ??????, ? ?? ?????? ????. ? "??????? ??????????" ?? ??????? ????????? ???????????, ???????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ??? - ??? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ??????, ????? ???? ??? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ????????? ??????. ??? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ?? ????????? vendor lock-in ??? ??? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ? ?????????????? ????????? - ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ????????. ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ???? ? ????????? ? ?????? ??????: ?????????????? ?????????. "??? ????????????". ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????? - ?????? ????? ??? ??????. VL> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, VL> ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? VL> ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? VL> ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? VL> ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? VL> ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? VL> ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? VL> ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. VL> ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ???????????? ??????????. ? ???????? ??? ????? ??????. ? ?? ??????, ??? ?????????, ??????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ????, ????????? ?????????, ??? "??????? ???????", ?????????? ?? ???????? ?????????????? ? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ???????. ??, ???? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???? ????? ?? ???-?? ???????, ????????????????, ??? ???? ???????? ??? ? ??, ? ??? ????? ?? ?????????????? ???? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From alex at euro.net.ua Sat Jul 10 14:14:44 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 14:14:44 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <405440185.20210710141110@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <405440185.20210710141110@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1422561459.20210710141444@euro.net.ua> ? ???????? ? ????? ??????. ?????????: ??? ??? ????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ????? :) https://interestingengineering.com/israel-just-used-fully-ai-controlled-drone-swarms-in-a-world-first Saturday, July 10, 2021, 2:11:10 PM, Alexander V Soroka alex at euro.net.ua you wrote: AVS> ?????? ! 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AVS> ?????????????? ???? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at funlab.cc Sat Jul 10 14:31:13 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 14:31:13 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <405440185.20210710141110@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <405440185.20210710141110@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: On 10.07.2021 14:11, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > VL> ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? > VL> ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? > VL> ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. > > :-) ??? ??? ??? 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URL: From doka at funlab.cc Sat Jul 10 14:33:00 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 14:33:00 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1422561459.20210710141444@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <405440185.20210710141110@euro.net.ua> <1422561459.20210710141444@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <6a7b46ba-dfd9-233f-3b33-c71370a3a1e0@funlab.cc> ???????, ?????????? ?? ?? ???????? :) On 10.07.2021 14:14, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ? ???????? ? ????? ??????. > ?????????: > ??? ??? ????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ????? :) > https://interestingengineering.com/israel-just-used-fully-ai-controlled-drone-swarms-in-a-world-first > > > Saturday, July 10, 2021, 2:11:10 PM, Alexander V Soroka alex at euro.net.ua you wrote: > AVS> ?????? ! > > AVS> Saturday, July 10, 2021, 1:28:50 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: > VL>> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>>> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? >>>> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. > VL>> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? > VL>> ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? > VL>> ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? > VL>> ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? > VL>> ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, > VL>> ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? > VL>> ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? > VL>> ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? > VL>> ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? > VL>> ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. > > AVS> :-) ??? ??? ??? 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TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????. > > ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? > > ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) > > ??? ????? ??? ????????. > "????? ?????" ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????-????? ????????????? ? ????????? ????? 95% ??????. ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?? ?????????, "?????? ?????", ?? ????? ? ??? 100 ????????? ??????? - ? ??? (?) ?????? ? (?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(?????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? "? ?????? ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ???? ???????" ? ??? ????????? ??????? ????????????????? ?????). ? ? ???? ???? - ??? ?????, ??????/????? - ??? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????????. ??????, ? ?? ?? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ????? IT ? ?????????? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ?????? :) On 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ??????. > > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? > _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? > ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? > ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? > ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? > ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? > ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? > > ;) > > ???????, > ?????? > On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> >> >> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? >>> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. >> >> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? >> ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? >> ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? >> ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? >> ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? >> ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? >> ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? >> ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? >> ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? >> ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. >> >> ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? >> ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? >> ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? >> ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? >> ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? >> ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? >> ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????. >> >>> ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? >>> ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) >>> ??? ????? ??? ????????. >> >> "????? ?????" ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????-????? ????????????? ? >> ????????? ????? 95% ??????. ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????, >> ??? ?? ?? ?????????, "?????? ?????", ?? ????? ? ??? 100 ????????? >> ??????? - ? ??? (?) ?????? ? (?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? >> ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. >> >> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, >> ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? >> ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? >> ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? >> ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? >> ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? >> ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? >> ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. >> ?????? ?????. >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(?????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? "? ?????? ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ???? ???????" ? ??? ????????? ??????? ????????????????? ?????). ? ? ???? ???? - ??? ?????, ??????/????? - ??? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????????. > > ??????, ? ?? ?? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ????? IT ? ?????????? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ?????? :) > > On 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ??????. > > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? > > ;) > > ???????, > ?????? > On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > > On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > > ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? > ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. > > ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. > > ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????. > > ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? > ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) > ??? ????? ??? ????????. > > "????? ?????" ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????-????? ????????????? ? ????????? ????? 95% ??????. ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?? ?????????, "?????? ?????", ?? ????? ? ??? 100 ????????? ??????? - ? ??? (?) ?????? ? (?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > > ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Pavlo Narozhnyy +380 95 276 31 46 https://www.techniqtrading.com/ From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Mon Jul 12 10:23:26 2021 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:23:26 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> Message-ID: <34E78149-54E7-4097-8491-0E909334BD3A@academ.kiev.ua> > On 11 Jul 2021, at 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ??????. > > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ?? ??????? c? ?????? ????? ????????. ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ????. ????? ?? ????? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ??? ????????????. ?????? ? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????. > > ;) > > ???????, > ?????? > On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> >> >> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? >>> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. >>> >> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. >> >> ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????. >> >>> ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? >>> ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) >>> ??? ????? ??? ????????. >>> >> "????? ?????" ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????-????? ????????????? ? ????????? ????? 95% ??????. ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?? ?????????, "?????? ?????", ?? ????? ? ??? 100 ????????? ??????? - ? ??? (?) ?????? ? (?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. >> >> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From maksym at tulyuk.com Mon Jul 12 10:42:14 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 09:42:14 +0200 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX = ZERO. ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) ?????? On 12 Jul 2021, 08:44 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote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n 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ??????. > > > > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? 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Monday, July 12, 2021, 9:57:35 AM, Pavlo Narozhnyy paveln at gmail.com you wrote: PN> ? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??????? ???????? ???????? PN> ??????? ????, ?????? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????, PN> ???? ???????. ?????? :) ??? ? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???????. ? ???? ??????? - ?????????. ? ?? ? ????? "???? ???????????" ??????? ???????? ? ????? ?? ?? "????? ?? ?????" ??? ??? ?????? ??????????. ?????? (?????? ??????) ?? ????? ??????? ????????? ? ???????. ?????? ?? ???????, ?????? ???????. ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ????????????? - ???? ??????? ????????????, ? ???? ????? ?? ????? ? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ????????? ???????? ??????????, ??? ? ????? ???????? ????? ????? "??????? ??????" ?? ???????? ?? ????????????. ?? ???????? ????????????? ?????? ??? ???????. ? ???? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? ????????? ?????? ? ??????????? :) ?.?. ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?????(???????) ??????? ?????? ??? ????????. ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? 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"?????? ?????????" ?????? ? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????? :) PN> ??, 12 ???. 2021 ? 09:44 Volodymyr Litovka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n 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >> >> ??????. >> >> ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? >> >> ;) >> >> ???????, >> ?????? >> On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> >> >> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> >> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? >> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. >> >> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. >> >> ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????. >> >> ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? >> ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) >> ??? ????? ??? ????????. >> >> "????? ?????" ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????-????? ????????????? ? ????????? ????? 95% ??????. ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?? ?????????, "?????? ?????", ?? ????? ? ??? 100 ????????? ??????? - ? ??? (?) ?????? ? (?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. >> >> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Jul 12 11:07:14 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:07:14 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <699888146.20210712110714@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ??????, ??? ????? :) ? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????-????-????... ???????? ???? ? ???? ????? ???? ? ??????????? ?? ??????-? ??????. ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ??????, ????? ??? ?????? ? ???????? , ?????? ????????????????. ?????? ??? ???? ????, ? ??????? ??? ????????? ????? ? ??????-??????? ??? ?????... ? ????? ??? ????? 35 ????? :) ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????????? :) ? ??????? ??????, ? ????? ????????? ? ????? ????? :) Monday, July 12, 2021, 10:42:14 AM, Maksym Tulyuk maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote: MT> ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? MT> ????? ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? MT> ?.?. ?? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX = ZERO. MT> ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? MT> ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? MT> ???? ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge MT> ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) MT> ?????? MT> On 12 Jul 2021, 08:44 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote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n 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >> > ??????. >> > >> > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? >> > >> > ;) >> > >> > ???????, >> > ?????? >> > On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> > > >> > > On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> > > > ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? >> > > > ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. >> > > ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. >> > > ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. >> > > ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. >> > > -- >> > > Volodymyr Litovka >> > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > uanog mailing list >> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > uanog mailing list >> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From paveln at gmail.com Mon Jul 12 11:46:35 2021 From: paveln at gmail.com (Pavlo Narozhnyy) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:46:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1524429303.20210712110251@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <1524429303.20210712110251@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ?????? ???????? ???????????? ?????? ???? ????? ???????. ?????? ?????? - "???? ???????" ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????. ? ????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?????? - ?????, ??????? ???. ??, 12 ???. 2021 ? 11:03 Alexander V Soroka ????: > > ?????? ! > > Monday, July 12, 2021, 9:57:35 AM, Pavlo Narozhnyy paveln at gmail.com you wrote: > PN> ? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??????? ???????? ???????? > PN> ??????? ????, ?????? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????, > PN> ???? ???????. > > ?????? :) ??? ? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???????. > ? ???? ??????? - ?????????. ? ?? ? ????? 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"?????? ?????????" ?????? ? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? > ??????????? ?????? :) > > > PN> ??, 12 ???. 2021 ? 09:44 Volodymyr Litovka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n 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > >> > >> ??????. > >> > >> ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? > >> > >> ;) > >> > >> ???????, > >> ?????? > >> On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > >> > >> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? > >> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. > >> > >> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. > >> > >> ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > >> > >> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > >> > >> -- > >> Volodymyr Litovka > >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> -- > >> Volodymyr Litovka > >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ > AS106-RIPE > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Pavlo Narozhnyy +380 95 276 31 46 https://www.techniqtrading.com/ From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 12 11:50:34 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:50:34 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <90d258b6-e1da-bea0-fe74-4fa796ddb59a@funlab.cc> On 12.07.2021 09:57, Pavlo Narozhnyy wrote: > ? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????, ??????? ???????? ???????? > ??????? ????, ?????? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????, > ???? ???????. ????????, ?? ?????? ??? ???????. ????? ????, ???????, ??? ??? ??????????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????, ? ? ???? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ? ???????-???????? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 12.07.2021 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? > ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, > CAPEX = ZERO. > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? > ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) > > ?????? > On 12 Jul 2021, 08:44 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> >> ????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ? ???????? ???????????? ??????? >> ??????, ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ??????? >> ? ?????? ?, ??? ?????????, ????????????????? ???????? (?????? ????? >> ?????? ? ??????? 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? >>>> ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. >>>> >>>> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, >>>> ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? >>>> ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? >>>> ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, >>>> ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? >>>> ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? >>>> ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? >>>> ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? >>>> ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Volodymyr Litovka >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 12 13:19:52 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:19:52 +0300 Subject: [uanog] GSM repeater Message-ID: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> ??????, ???? ??? ??????????: "? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? ????????, ?? ???????? ????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ?? 5-7 ??????????, ?? ???-?? ????????????? ??????, ?? ???????, ????? ???????? ??? ???, ??? ???????????". ??? ???-?? ? ?????? ????????? (?? ??????????) - ???????, ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? ????, ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ?????. ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ???? :) ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????????? ??????????? "5 ?????????? - ????????????? ??????" ?/??? ???????????? GSM ???????? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Jul 12 13:25:29 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:25:29 +0300 Subject: [uanog] GSM repeater In-Reply-To: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> References: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <1327581410.20210712132529@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ??? ??????? ??? ???????????? ???????. ???? ??? ??? ?????? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????????... ??? ?? ??????, ??? ???????? 500-800 ???????? ????? ??????? ? ?????. ?????? ? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? (????? ???) ?? ????????????????????? ? ?????????? GSM. ???????? ????? ? ??????????? - :) ???????? ?? "????? ?????????" ?? ???????? ??????? ???????. ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ????????. ???????? ??? ?????? ?????... :-( Monday, July 12, 2021, 1:19:52 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: VL> ???? ??? ??????????: "? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? VL> ????????, ?? ???????? ????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ?? 5-7 VL> ??????????, ?? ???-?? ????????????? ??????, ?? ???????, ????? VL> ???????? ??? ???, ??? ???????????". ??? ???-?? ? ?????? ????????? VL> (?? ??????????) - ???????, ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? ????, ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ?????. VL> ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ???? :) ?????? ??????????? ??? VL> ???????????? ??????????? "5 ?????????? - ????????????? ??????" ?/??? ???????????? GSM ???????? VL> ???????. -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 12 13:27:32 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:27:32 +0300 Subject: [uanog] GSM repeater In-Reply-To: <1327581410.20210712132529@euro.net.ua> References: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> <1327581410.20210712132529@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <39930659-46ba-c219-c820-3ddfb82213b8@funlab.cc> ? ????? ?????-?? ????? ??? ??????, ??? ?????? ????? ????????? ???????, ??? ?????? ?????????-????????, ???-?? ?? ????? ?????? ??????????????? ?????? ?? ????? ? ?????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ???? ? ?????????. ??? ??????? On 12.07.2021 13:25, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > ??? ??????? ??? ???????????? ???????. ???? ??? ??? ?????? ????????? ?? > ??????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????????... > ??? ?? ??????, ??? ???????? 500-800 ???????? ????? ??????? ? ?????. > ?????? ? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????????????. > > ?? ? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? (????? ???) ?? ????????????????????? > ? ?????????? GSM. > ???????? ????? ? ??????????? - :) ???????? ?? "????? ?????????" ?? > ???????? ??????? ???????. ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ????????. > ???????? ??? ?????? ?????... :-( > > > Monday, July 12, 2021, 1:19:52 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: > VL> ???? ??? ??????????: "? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? > VL> ????????, ?? ???????? ????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ?? 5-7 > VL> ??????????, ?? ???-?? ????????????? ??????, ?? ???????, ????? > VL> ???????? ??? ???, ??? ???????????". ??? ???-?? ? ?????? ????????? > VL> (?? ??????????) - ???????, ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? ????, ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ?????. > > VL> ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ???? :) ?????? ??????????? ??? > VL> ???????????? ??????????? "5 ?????????? - ????????????? ??????" ?/??? ???????????? GSM ???????? > > VL> ???????. > > > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oles at uar.net Mon Jul 12 13:29:58 2021 From: oles at uar.net (Oles Girniak) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:29:58 +0300 Subject: [uanog] GSM repeater In-Reply-To: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> References: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> Message-ID: Lifecell ??? ?????????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? IP (BiP ??????) ??????? ????? ? ???? ? ??? ? ???? ?????????? ? ? Kyivstar, ? ? Vodafone ? PS. ????????, ?? ???????? ??? ???? ???????. ???? ???? ?????, ?? ??????..... On 12.07.2021 13:19, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ??????, > > ???? ??? ??????????: "? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? ????????, > ?? ???????? ????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ?? 5-7 ??????????, ?? > ???-?? ????????????? ??????, ?? ???????, ????? ???????? ??? ???, ??? > ???????????". ??? ???-?? ? ?????? ????????? (?? ??????????) - ???????, > ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? ????, ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ?????. > > ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ???? :) ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????????? > ??????????? "5 ?????????? - ????????????? ??????" ?/??? ???????????? > GSM ???????? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Jul 12 13:41:05 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:41:05 +0300 Subject: [uanog] GSM repeater In-Reply-To: <39930659-46ba-c219-c820-3ddfb82213b8@funlab.cc> References: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> <1327581410.20210712132529@euro.net.ua> <39930659-46ba-c219-c820-3ddfb82213b8@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <576671594.20210712134105@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ??? ??? ?????? ?????????: https://dalsvyaz.ru/articles/chto-takoe-gsm-repiter https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80_GSM ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ??????? ? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? (????? ?? ??????). ??? ??? ??????? ? ????????? ? ????? ? ???????. "... ??? ??????????? ???????????????? ???????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ???????????????? ???????? ????? ???????? ? ????????? ?????????, ??? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???????????????, ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ????????, ??????????? ? ????? ???????? ?? ?????????, ?????????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????. ?????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ?? ??????? ???????????? ? ????????? ? ???????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ????????????? ?????????. ..." Monday, July 12, 2021, 1:27:32 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: VL> ? ????? ?????-?? ????? ??? ??????, ??? ?????? ????? ????????? VL> ???????, ??? ?????? ?????????-????????, ???-?? ?? ????? ?????? VL> ??????????????? ?????? ?? ????? ? ?????? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ???? ? ?????????. VL> ??? ??????? VL> On 12.07.2021 13:25, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> ?????? ! >> >> ??? ??????? ??? ???????????? ???????. ???? ??? ??? ?????? ????????? ?? >> ??????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????????... >> ??? ?? ??????, ??? ???????? 500-800 ???????? ????? ??????? ? ?????. >> ?????? ? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????????????. >> >> ?? ? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? (????? ???) ?? ????????????????????? >> ? ?????????? GSM. >> ???????? ????? ? ??????????? - :) ???????? ?? "????? ?????????" ?? >> ???????? ??????? ???????. ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ????????. >> ???????? ??? ?????? ?????... :-( >> >> >> Monday, July 12, 2021, 1:19:52 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: >> VL> ???? ??? ??????????: "? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? >> VL> ????????, ?? ???????? ????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ?? 5-7 >> VL> ??????????, ?? ???-?? ????????????? ??????, ?? ???????, ????? >> VL> ???????? ??? ???, ??? ???????????". ??? ???-?? ? ?????? ????????? >> VL> (?? ??????????) - ???????, ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? ????, ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ?????. >> >> VL> ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ???? :) ?????? ??????????? ??? >> VL> ???????????? ??????????? "5 ?????????? - ????????????? ??????" ?/??? ???????????? GSM ???????? >> >> VL> ???????. >> >> >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Mon Jul 12 13:42:12 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:42:12 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> ? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ??????? ????? ?? ??????, ???????, ? ???????". ? ??????? "????? ????? ???????? ???". 12.07.21 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? > ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX > = ZERO. > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? > ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon Jul 12 13:57:04 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:57:04 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?? ??? ? ???, ? ????? ? ? ???????. ?????? ??????? ??. ????? ??????? ????? ? ??????????. ?? ??? ??? - "?? ????". ? ??? ? ???????? ??????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?/??? ? ???????????? ???, ????? "? ??????" ??????????? ??????????. ? ??? ? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ????????? ? ?????????? ???????, ? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????????????? ?? ????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? ????: ??? ?????? ????? ? ????????, ??? ? ?????? ?????????. ?? ????? ?? - ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ? ?????????. ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? :) 12 ????? 2021, 13:42:21, ??? "Max Tulyev" : ? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ??????? ????? ?? ??????, ???????, ? ???????". ? ??????? "????? ????? ???????? ???". 12.07.21 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? > ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX > = ZERO. > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? > ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Mon Jul 12 14:03:05 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:03:05 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <40e1af21-cc69-2663-4774-567f85d05ba2@netassist.kiev.ua> ? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????. ?? ??????? "???" - ??? ??????? ? ????????. ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??? ? ?????????. 12.07.21 13:57, Vladimir Sharun ????: > ?? ????? ?? - ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ? > ?????????. ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? :) From doka at funlab.cc Mon Jul 12 14:04:31 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:04:31 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: On 12.07.2021 13:57, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ?? ????? ?? - ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ? > ?????????. ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? :) ????? ?????? ???? - "? ???? ????? ?????? ?????, ?????? 2400 ?? ???????????, ??? ????? ???????? ???? ??????? - ? ?????" :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon Jul 12 14:08:19 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:08:19 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <40e1af21-cc69-2663-4774-567f85d05ba2@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <40e1af21-cc69-2663-4774-567f85d05ba2@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1469894122.20210712140819@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ? ??? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ? ???????: ? ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ? ?????? ???? ?????????? :-) Monday, July 12, 2021, 2:03:05 PM, Max Tulyev maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua you wrote: MT> ? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????. MT> ?? ??????? "???" - ??? ??????? ? ????????. MT> ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??? ? ?????????. MT> 12.07.21 13:57, Vladimir Sharun ????: >> ?? ????? ?? - ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ? > ?????????. ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? :) MT> _______________________________________________ MT> uanog mailing list MT> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua MT> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Mon Jul 12 15:30:39 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:30:39 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1469894122.20210712140819@euro.net.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <40e1af21-cc69-2663-4774-567f85d05ba2@netassist.kiev.ua> <1469894122.20210712140819@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <7a5947f2-46e7-5f51-acf2-6d8180c13e1e@netassist.kiev.ua> ??????! ??? ?????, ??? ? ??????????? ???? ? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ???????? (? ???? ?? ??????????? ? ????, ? ? ????? ?????? ????? ????). 12.07.21 14:08, Alexander V Soroka ????: > ?????? ! > > ? ??? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ? ???????: ? ????? ???????? ???? ????-?? ? > ?????? ???? ?????????? :-) > > > Monday, July 12, 2021, 2:03:05 PM, Max Tulyev maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua you wrote: > MT> ? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????. > MT> ?? ??????? "???" - ??? ??????? ? ????????. > MT> ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ??? ? ?????????. > > MT> 12.07.21 13:57, Vladimir Sharun ????: >>> ?? ????? ?? - ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ? > ?????????. ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? :) > MT> _______________________________________________ > MT> uanog mailing list > MT> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > MT> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > From imc at fap.com.ua Mon Jul 12 15:45:26 2021 From: imc at fap.com.ua (Fedienko Alexandr WORK) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:45:26 +0300 Subject: [uanog] GSM repeater In-Reply-To: <1327581410.20210712132529@euro.net.ua> References: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> <1327581410.20210712132529@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <254328205.20210712154526@fap.com.ua> ????, ?? ??? ??? ?????? ????????. ???? ??????????? ??? ???????? ?? 150 ?.?. ?????? ??? ?????????????. ????? ???????? ??????? ???, ???? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ????? (???????????) ????? ????? ??????. ? ????????? ??? ??????. ???????????? ??????? ???????????? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ?????, ?????? ???? ??????? ????? ???????????????. ????????????, Alexander. ?? ?????? 12 ???? 2021 ?., 13:25:29: AVS> ?????? ! AVS> ??? ??????? ??? ???????????? ???????. ???? ??? ??? ?????? ????????? ?? AVS> ??????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????????... AVS> ??? ?? ??????, ??? ???????? 500-800 ???????? ????? ??????? ? ?????. AVS> ?????? ? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?????????????. AVS> ?? ? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? (????? ???) ?? ????????????????????? AVS> ? ?????????? GSM. AVS> ???????? ????? ? ??????????? - :) ???????? ?? "????? ?????????" ?? AVS> ???????? ??????? ???????. ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ????????. AVS> ???????? ??? ?????? ?????... :-( AVS> Monday, July 12, 2021, 1:19:52 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: VL>> ???? ??? ??????????: "? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? VL>> ????????, ?? ???????? ????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ?? 5-7 VL>> ??????????, ?? ???-?? ????????????? ??????, ?? ???????, ????? VL>> ???????? ??? ???, ??? ???????????". ??? ???-?? ? ?????? ????????? VL>> (?? ??????????) - ???????, ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? ????, ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ?????. VL>> ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ???? :) ?????? ??????????? ??? VL>> ???????????? ??????????? "5 ?????????? - ????????????? ??????" ?/??? ???????????? GSM ???????? VL>> ???????. -- ? ?????????, Fedienko mailto:imc at fap.com.ua From basil at vpm.net.ua Mon Jul 12 17:08:27 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:08:27 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: ???????? ? ?????? ? ???????? ??, 12 ???. 2021 ?. ? 13:42, Max Tulyev : > ? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? > ?????? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ??????? ????? ?? ??????, ???????, ? > ???????". ? ??????? "????? ????? ???????? ???". > > 12.07.21 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? > > ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX > > = ZERO. > > > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? > > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? > > ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pa3op at tsua.net Tue Jul 13 00:46:25 2021 From: pa3op at tsua.net (Anton Turygin) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 23:46:25 +0200 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: ? - ??????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????????? ??????. ???????????? ? ????????? ??????????. ?????? ????????? ????? ? ???????, ? ?? ?????? ????????? ???????? "??????? ?????? ????????". ?? ? ??????? ? ????? ????????? ????????????? ??? ??????? ? ???????. ????? - ?????? ? ???????, ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? :-) ??????? ?? ????? :-) On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 at 12:57, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????, > > ?? ??? ? ???, ? ????? ? ? ???????. ?????? ??????? ??. ????? ??????? ????? > ? ??????????. ?? ??? ??? - "?? ????". > > ? ??? ? ???????? ??????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?/??? > ? ???????????? ???, ????? "? ??????" ??????????? ??????????. > > ? ??? ? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???? > ????? ????????? ? ?????????? ???????, ? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? > ?? ?????????????? ?? ????????. > > ??? ?? ??????????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? ????: ??? ?????? ????? ? > ????????, ??? ? ?????? ?????????. > > ?? ????? ?? - ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ? > ?????????. ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? :) > > > *12 ????? 2021, 13:42:21, ??? "Max Tulyev" >:* > > ? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? > ?????? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ??????? ????? ?? ??????, ???????, ? > ???????". ? ??????? "????? ????? ???????? ???". > > 12.07.21 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? > > ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX > > = ZERO. > > > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? > > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? > > ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Tue Jul 13 10:10:35 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 10:10:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1626157610.103192000.movz2lrz@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, 13 ????? 2021, 00:46:45, ??? "Anton Turygin" : ? - ??????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????????? ??????.? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ????????? ? ???????. ??? ???????????? ???????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????????. ???????????? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? ???????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????: ??????? ???????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????? ?? ?????????. ?????? ????????? ????? ? ???????, ? ?? ?????? ????????? ???????? "??????? ?????? ????????". 800 ??? ???????, ???? ? ????? ????????????? ? ????? ?? ???????????? ??????. ?????????? ? NY, ????????, ?????????. ???? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ??? ? ?????. ?????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????. ??? ? ??????? ? ????? ????????? ????????????? ??? ??????? ? ???????.? ???????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ? ????? ? ????? - ?????? ? ???????, ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? :-) ??????? ?? ????? :-) ????? ?????. On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 at 12:57, Vladimir Sharun wrote: ??????, ?? ??? ? ???, ? ????? ? ? ???????. ?????? ??????? ??. ????? ??????? ????? ? ??????????. ?? ??? ??? - "?? ????". ? ??? ? ???????? ??????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?/??? ? ???????????? ???, ????? "? ??????" ??????????? ??????????. ? ??? ? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ????????? ? ?????????? ???????, ? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????????????? ?? ????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? ????: ??? ?????? ????? ? ????????, ??? ? ?????? ?????????. ?? ????? ?? - ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ? ?????????. ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? :) 12 ????? 2021, 13:42:21, ??? "Max Tulyev" : ? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ??????? ????? ?? ??????, ???????, ? ???????". ? ??????? "????? ????? ???????? ???". 12.07.21 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? > ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX > = ZERO. > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? > ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paveln at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 10:31:40 2021 From: paveln at gmail.com (Pavlo Narozhnyy) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 10:31:40 +0300 Subject: [uanog] GSM repeater In-Reply-To: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> References: <90668210-0f2a-74cf-025b-3c00a23c0cc3@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ? ????? ??????? ? ????????????, ?????? ????? 9 ??? ?????. ??????? ??? ????????? ??????? ? ???. ???????? ????? ?????, ??? ?? ?????????, ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?????. ??, 12 ???. 2021 ? 13:20 Volodymyr Litovka ????: > > ??????, > > ???? ??? ??????????: "? ???? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? ????????, ?? ???????? ????????? ????? ????????? ????????? ?? 5-7 ??????????, ?? ???-?? ????????????? ??????, ?? ???????, ????? ???????? ??? ???, ??? ???????????". ??? ???-?? ? ?????? ????????? (?? ??????????) - ???????, ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? ????, ?? ????? ? ??? ????? ????? ?????. > > ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ???? :) ?????? ??????????? ??? ???????????? ??????????? "5 ?????????? - ????????????? ??????" ?/??? ???????????? GSM ???????? > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Pavlo Narozhnyy +380 95 276 31 46 https://www.techniqtrading.com/ From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Tue Jul 13 10:46:16 2021 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 10:46:16 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1626157610.103192000.movz2lrz@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1626157610.103192000.movz2lrz@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <3EBA21C2-2763-4345-A7DC-CE6E83A2BE80@academ.kiev.ua> Hi, > On 13 Jul 2021, at 10:10, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ??????, > > > ???????????? ? ????????? ??????????. > > ?? ?????? ???????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????: ??????? ???????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????? ?? ?????????. ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????? ? ??????. ?? ???, ?? ???????? ? ??? ??????? ???-?? ??????, ????? ?????? ????? ?????. > > ?????? ????????? ????? ? ???????, ? ?? ?????? ????????? ???????? 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"Maksym Tulyuk" : ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ? ?????: ? ?? ???????? ??????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ????????? ? ??? ??? ??? ??????????; ? ?????? ???? ???? ?????; ? ????? ? ??????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????????; ??? ???? ????????, ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???? 20?????? WV ???????? ???????? ??????? ????????? Fast&Furious ? ?.?. ? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ISP ??????: ????? ?? ?????? ???? (??? ???????????? ?????????, ??? ??????) ? ???????? ?? ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??????. ?????? On 13 Jul 2021, 09:10 +0200, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: ??????, 13 ????? 2021, 00:46:45, ??? "Anton Turygin" : ? - ??????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????????? ??????.? ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ????????? ? ???????. ??? ???????????? ???????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????????. ???????????? ? ????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? ???????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????: ??????? ???????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????? ?? ?????????. ?????? ????????? ????? ? ???????, ? ?? ?????? ????????? ???????? 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > > > > > > ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > > > > > > -- > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > -- > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ > AS106-RIPE > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. >>>> >>>> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Volodymyr Litovka >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Volodymyr Litovka >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ >> AS106-RIPE >> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From paveln at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 14:32:37 2021 From: paveln at gmail.com (Pavlo Narozhnyy) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:32:37 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <1524429303.20210712110251@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ???, ??? ????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?? ?????, ???????? ???????????., ???????. ???? ?????? ?????, ?? 3 000 ????????, ? ??????????? ?? ????????????? ? ??????. ? ??????? ?????????? ????, ????? ??????????? ?? ????? ????. ????? ????? ??????????? ??????????. ?????? ?????? ???? ????????????, ????????? ??? ?????. ? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ??????? ??????????????, ????????, ???? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????. ??, 13 ???. 2021 ? 14:14 Taras Heichenko ????: > > > > > On 13 Jul 2021, at 13:28, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > ?????? ????? ????????? ???? ? ????????? ??????? - ??????? ????? ? ??????????. ?? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? ?????? > > > > ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? :( > > ?? ????. ???? ????????, ??? ? ????????????? ??????? ????????? 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TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? > >>>> > >>>> ;) > >>>> > >>>> ???????, > >>>> ?????? > >>>> On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? > >>>> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. > >>>> > >>>> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. > >>>> > >>>> ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > >>>> > >>>> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Volodymyr Litovka > >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> uanog mailing list > >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> uanog mailing list > >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Volodymyr Litovka > >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> uanog mailing list > >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ > >> AS106-RIPE > >> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Taras Heichenko > tasic at academ.kiev.ua > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Pavlo Narozhnyy +380 95 276 31 46 https://www.techniqtrading.com/ From pa3op at tsua.net Tue Jul 13 13:56:48 2021 From: pa3op at tsua.net (Anton Turygin) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:56:48 +0200 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <1626157610.103192000.movz2lrz@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <7b078ae5-5a35-02a7-558b-6d358deac0af@netassist.kiev.ua> <1626086755.794021000.c5gw3gpt@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1626157610.103192000.movz2lrz@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: ??????, > ???????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? 25 ?????. ??????? ????? ??????? ??. 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > > > > > ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > > > > > -- > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > -- > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"????? ????". ?? ????????? ? ???????? ??????, ??????? ? "IaaS vs ??????????? ????? ????????" ??????????? ???????????. $150k "?????" ? "?? 25 ???" - ??? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? (?? ????????, ???????? ????) - "???? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???, ?? ??????????" - ?????? ? ????????? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????. ? ?? ????. On 13.07.2021 18:12, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ?? ? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???????: ????? 25 ??? ?? 1) ??????????? > ??????? ?????? ? 2) ?????? ??????????? ????-??, ??? ????? 150,000; ? > ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????? 1) ???????? 500*12*25 ? 2) ?? ???????? ????? > ???????????? ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ? ???????: ??, ??? > ???????? ?? Microsoft Office 150 ?????? ????? ???????????? ???? > ???????, ??????? ???????, ? ?????????? Microsoft Office 365 ?? 2 ???? > ???????? ? 140 ?, ????????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? ????. > > ??, ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? 2 ???? ??? 90% ????????? > ? 90% ?????????? ??? ??????????? ??????. > > ?????? > On 12 Jul 2021, 11:15 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> >> ?????? ??, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????????. ????-?????? ????????? >> 90% ????????????, ?? ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? >> ???? ????? ? 3-????????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ?? >> ???? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ? ???? ????? ? >> ???? ? ??????, ??, ????????, ??????? 7-??????? ????? - ??????? >> ????????: ?? "??????????" ?? "????? ?????? 40 ?????". >> >> ?? ??? ???? ? ???? _??????_ ?????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ?? >> ?????/????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????????. ?????? ??? >> ??????? $500/month ?? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? >> ??????????? $150,000 ?? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? (25 (!!!) ??? >> ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????). ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? >> - ???-?? ?? ????????, ????? ???????? - ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. >> >> ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????: ??? ??? ????? >> ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ????????? $3500 ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??? >> ????????????? $200,000 ?? ?????/??? (60 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? >> ??????????? ????). ? ?? ?? ????? - ???? ??? ????????? ??????, ?? ?? >> ????????? ??? ? ???????? ????? ????. >> >> ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? - ????? >> ? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????. >> -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Tue Jul 13 19:16:10 2021 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:16:10 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <0d8ebe65-8887-4800-b5f3-ba733b84e7f8@Spark> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <0d8ebe65-8887-4800-b5f3-ba733b84e7f8@Spark> Message-ID: <36A8F541-86F5-4B2A-B7C2-3D53B12B2A6D@academ.kiev.ua> > On 13 Jul 2021, at 18:12, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ?? ? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???????: ????? 25 ??? ?? 1) ??????????? ??????? ?????? ? 2) ?????? ??????????? ????-??, ??? ????? 150,000; ? ???? ??? ???????? ? ????????????. ?? ????? ???????, "?? ??? ? ?????????? ????????? 1500,000 25 ??? ?????". ? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????, ? ??? ?? ??? ???-?? ?????????? ??????? ?????????, ????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ????????? ? ?? ?? ????. > ? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????? 1) ???????? 500*12*25 ? 2) ?? ???????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ? ???????: ??, ??? ???????? ?? Microsoft Office 150 ?????? ????? ???????????? ???? ???????, ??????? ???????, ? ?????????? Microsoft Office 365 ?? 2 ???? ???????? ? 140 ?, ????????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? ????. > > ??, ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? 2 ???? ??? 90% ????????? ? 90% ?????????? ??? ??????????? ??????. > > ?????? > On 12 Jul 2021, 11:15 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> ?????? ??, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????????. ????-?????? ????????? 90% ????????????, ?? ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ????? ? 3-????????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ? ???? ????? ? ???? ? ??????, ??, ????????, ??????? 7-??????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ?? "??????????" ?? "????? ?????? 40 ?????". >> >> ?? ??? ???? ? ???? _??????_ ?????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ?? ?????/????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ??????? $500/month ?? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????????? $150,000 ?? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? (25 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????). ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? - ???-?? ?? ????????, ????? ???????? - ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. >> >> ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????: ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ????????? $3500 ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ????????????? $200,000 ?? ?????/??? (60 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????). ? ?? ?? ????? - ???? ??? ????????? ??????, ?? ?? ????????? ??? ? ???????? ????? ????. >> >> ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? - ????? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????. >> >> On 12.07.2021 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >>> ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX = ZERO. >>> >>> ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge >>> >>> ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) >>> >>> ?????? >>> On 12 Jul 2021, 08:44 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >>>> ????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ? ???????? ???????????? ??????? ??????, ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ?, ??? ?????????, ????????????????? ???????? (?????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? "? ?????? ????????, ? ??????? ?????? ???? ???????" ? ??? ????????? ??????? ????????????????? ?????). ? ? ???? ???? - ??? ?????, ??????/????? - ??? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????????. >>>> >>>> ??????, ? ?? ?? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ????? IT ? ?????????? ? ????????????? ? ?????????? ?????? :) >>>> >>>> On 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: >>>>> ??????. >>>>> >>>>> ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ???????: ? ????????/??? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? >>>>> >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> ???????, >>>>> ?????? >>>>> On 10 Jul 2021, 12:29 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10.07.2021 09:38, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>>>>>> ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? >>>>>>> ??????????. ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ????? ?? ?????. >>>>>>> >>>>>> ????, ?? ????? ??, ?????? ??? ?????. ??? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ???-?? ?? ???? ??????????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ?????? ?????????? ? - ?????? ???? ? ???, ??? ????. ??? ??????. ??????, ? ????? ?????? ????????? - ??? ????? ????? ???? ? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ????????? ????????? ???????. ? ??? ?? ????? ???????? - ? ??? ?????? ??? ???, ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??? ??????. ??? ???? - ? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????, ??????? ? ??????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????-???????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ????? ????? ? ????? ? ?????. >>>>>> >>>>>> ? ??? ????? ????? - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ? 3rd party, ??? ????????????? ????. ??????????, ???? ??? ??? ?????? - ??? ?? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????. ??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ ???????????????? TCO, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????. >>>>>> >>>>>>> ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? >>>>>>> ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (??????????????) >>>>>>> ??? ????? ??? ????????. >>>>>>> >>>>>> "????? ?????" ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?????-????? ????????????? ? ????????? ????? 95% ??????. ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?? ?????????, "?????? ?????", ?? ????? ? ??? 100 ????????? ??????? - ? ??? (?) ?????? ? (?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. >>>>>> >>>>>> ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Volodymyr Litovka >>>>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> uanog mailing list >>>>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> uanog mailing list >>>>> >>>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>> -- >>>> Volodymyr Litovka >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From basil at vpm.net.ua Tue Jul 13 21:01:49 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:01:49 +0300 Subject: [uanog] SoftEther port sharing In-Reply-To: <0d8ebe65-8887-4800-b5f3-ba733b84e7f8@Spark> References: <3a66fbe7-6062-07b4-520a-9f4833b5d78b@funlab.cc> <20210705114914.GH7301@death.kiev.ua> <3f2aa4c8-1873-02c3-48ff-952511c47c0a@funlab.cc> <20210705123338.GI7301@death.kiev.ua> <99C480D9-947E-491F-B045-AB5105271CF8@vc.org.ua> <20210705154107.GK7301@death.kiev.ua> <20210705190935.GM7301@death.kiev.ua> <833606A6-4D09-4CE8-98AC-CD2F5879F7D1@vc.org.ua> <20210705203746.GO7301@death.kiev.ua> <1696776259.20210707100459@euro.net.ua> <77875404.20210710093803@euro.net.ua> <66b17b78-4356-f65c-d853-2578e562b1e3@funlab.cc> <1aed9d8c-b550-4d19-ac5e-04371a5b803f@Spark> <694cf8f2-c9cf-c856-25c7-d47757e0f95f@funlab.cc> <0d8ebe65-8887-4800-b5f3-ba733b84e7f8@Spark> Message-ID: ???? ?????? ????? ??? 5 ??? ?? 365-??, ???????? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????. ??? ???????? ????? ????????? "???? ?????? ????????" - ??? ???? ???????? ?????????, ??? ?????????? ???????????? ????????? ???????????? ?????? ???, ? ??? ???? ?????-?? 100-200 ???????? ? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ????????, ??? ??????? ?????? ????, ? ?????? ??? ???????? ?? ???. ?? ? ????? ???? ??-??????? ???????? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??????, ? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ?????????. ??, 13 ???. 2021 ?. ? 18:12, Maksym Tulyuk : > ?? ? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???????: ????? 25 ??? ?? 1) ??????????? ??????? > ?????? ? 2) ?????? ??????????? ????-??, ??? ????? 150,000; ? ?? ????? ??? > ???? ?????? 1) ???????? 500*12*25 ? 2) ?? ???????? ????? ???????????? > ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ? ???????: ??, ??? ???????? ?? Microsoft > Office 150 ?????? ????? ???????????? ???? ???????, ??????? ???????, ? > ?????????? Microsoft Office 365 ?? 2 ???? ???????? ? 140 ?, ????????????, > ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? ????. > > ??, ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? 2 ???? ??? 90% ????????? ? > 90% ?????????? ??? ??????????? ??????. > > ?????? > On 12 Jul 2021, 11:15 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > ?????? ??, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????????. ????-?????? ????????? 90% > ????????????, ?? ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ????? ? > 3-????????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ?? ???? ??????? ?? > ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ? ???? ????? ? ???? ? ??????, ??, > ????????, ??????? 7-??????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ?? "??????????" ?? > "????? ?????? 40 ?????". > > ?? ??? ???? ? ???? _??????_ ?????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ?? > ?????/????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ??????? > $500/month ?? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????????? > $150,000 ?? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? (25 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? > ????????). ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? - ???-?? ?? ????????, ????? > ???????? - ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. > > ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????: ??? ??? ????? ??? > ?????? ? ???? ? ????????? $3500 ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ????????????? > $200,000 ?? ?????/??? (60 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????). ? ?? ?? > ????? - ???? ??? ????????? ??????, ?? ?? ????????? ??? ? ???????? ????? > ????. > > ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? - ????? ? > ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????. > On 12.07.2021 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? ?????? > ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX = ZERO. > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? ??????? > ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? ??? > ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) > > ?????? > On 12 Jul 2021, 08:44 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka > , wrote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n 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ??????. > > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? "??, ? ??????????? 3-5 ??? ?????? _????? > ?????_ (?? ? ?? - ?? ????) ?????? ??????????? assets, ?? ??????????? > ????????? ??????? ??????? - ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? _????????_ > ???????????????? 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On 13 Jul 2021, 18:16 +0200, Taras Heichenko , wrote: > > > > On 13 Jul 2021, at 18:12, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > ?? ? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???????: ????? 25 ??? ?? 1) ??????????? ??????? ?????? ? 2) ?????? ??????????? ????-??, ??? ????? 150,000; > > ? ???? ??? ???????? ? ????????????. ?? ????? ???????, "?? ??? ? ?????????? ????????? 1500,000 25 ??? ?????". ? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????, ? ??? ?? ??? ???-?? ?????????? ??????? ?????????, ????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ????????? ? ?? ?? ????. > > > ? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????? 1) ???????? 500*12*25 ? 2) ?? ???????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ? ???????: ??, ??? ???????? ?? Microsoft Office 150 ?????? ????? ???????????? ???? ???????, ??????? ???????, ? ?????????? Microsoft Office 365 ?? 2 ???? ???????? ? 140 ?, ????????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? ????. > > > > ??, ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? 2 ???? ??? 90% ????????? ? 90% ?????????? ??? ??????????? ??????. > > > > ?????? > > On 12 Jul 2021, 11:15 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > > ?????? ??, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????????. ????-?????? ????????? 90% ????????????, ?? ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ????? ? 3-????????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ? ???? ????? ? ???? ? ??????, ??, ????????, ??????? 7-??????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ?? "??????????" ?? "????? ?????? 40 ?????". > > > > > > ?? ??? ???? ? ???? _??????_ ?????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ?? ?????/????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ??????? $500/month ?? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????????? $150,000 ?? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? (25 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????). ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? - ???-?? ?? ????????, ????? ???????? - ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. > > > > > > ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????: ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ????????? $3500 ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ????????????? $200,000 ?? ?????/??? (60 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????). ? ?? ?? ????? - ???? ??? ????????? ??????, ?? ?? ????????? ??? ? ???????? ????? ????. > > > > > > ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? - ????? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????. > > > > > > On 12.07.2021 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX = ZERO. > > > > > > > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > > > > > > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) > > > > > > > > ?????? > > > > On 12 Jul 2021, 08:44 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote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n 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > > > ??????. > > > > > > > > > > > > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > -- > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > -- > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Taras Heichenko > tasic at academ.kiev.ua > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Maksym Tulyuk" : > > > ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ? ?????: ? ?? ???????? ??????? ? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ????????? ? ??? ??? ??? ??????????; ? ?????? ???? ???? ?????; ? ????? ? ??????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????????; ??? ???? ????????, ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???? 20?????? WV ???????? ???????? ??????? ????????? Fast&Furious ? ?.?. > > > > ? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ISP ??????: ????? ?? ?????? ???? (??? ???????????? ?????????, ??? ??????) ? ???????? ?? ??????? ???????? - ??????? ??????. > > > > ?????? > > On 13 Jul 2021, 09:10 +0200, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: > > > ??????, > > > > > > 13 ????? 2021, 00:46:45, ??? "Anton Turygin" : > > > > > > > ? - ??????????? > > > > > > > > ??? ??????? ?? ????????????? ??????. > > > > > > ??? ?? ???????? ????????, ????????? ? ???????. ??? ???????????? ???????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????????. > > > > > > > > > > > ???????????? ? ????????? ??????????. > > > > > > ?? ?????? ???????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????: ??????? ???????? ????????, ??????? ? ??????? ?? ?????????. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?????? ????????? ????? ? ???????, ? ?? ?????? ????????? ???????? "??????? ?????? ????????". > > > > > > 800 ??? ???????, ???? ? ????? ????????????? ? ????? ?? ???????????? ??????. ?????????? ? NY, ????????, ?????????. ???? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ??? ? ?????. > > > > > > ?????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????. > > > > > > > > > > > ??? ? ??????? ? ????? ????????? ????????????? ??? ??????? ? ???????. > > > > > > ???????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ? ????? ? > > > > > > > > > > > ????? - ?????? ? ???????, ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? :-) > > > > > > > > ??????? ?? ????? :-) > > > > > > > > > ????? ?????. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 at 12:57, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > > > > ??????, > > > > > > > > > > ?? ??? ? ???, ? ????? ? ? ???????. ?????? ??????? ??. ????? ??????? ????? ? ??????????. ?? ??? ??? - "?? ????". > > > > > > > > > > ? ??? ? ???????? ??????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?/??? ? ???????????? ???, ????? 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"????? ????? ???????? ???". > > > > > > > > > > > > 12.07.21 10:42, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > > > > > > > ??? ??? ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ????: ??????? ??????? - ????? ????? > > > > > > > ?????? ? ?????? ???, ??????? ??????? ???? - ???? ? ??????, ? ?.?. ?? > > > > > > > ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????: OPEX = minimum, CAPEX > > > > > > > = ZERO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? ??????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ???. "? ?????????? > > > > > > > ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? > > > > > > > ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CAPEX ? ????? ????? ? ??? ??? 1) Investment ??? 2) Expenditure - ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????. ??????? ?????? ? OPEX ? ????? ???? ????? ????? ? ??? 2) Expenditure, ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????? ?? CAPEX ???? ?? ? ???? ????. ?????? On 13 Jul 2021, 17:40 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > ?? ???-?? ????????? ??? ?? ?????? "????? ????". > ?? ????????? ? ???????? ??????, ??????? ? "IaaS vs ??????????? ????? ????????" ??????????? ???????????. > $150k "?????" ? "?? 25 ???" - ??? ??????????? ?????? ????????. > ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? (?? ????????, ???????? ????) - "???? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???, ?? ??????????" - ?????? ? ????????? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????. ? ?? ????. > On 13.07.2021 18:12, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ?? ? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???????: ????? 25 ??? ?? 1) ??????????? ??????? ?????? ? 2) ?????? ??????????? ????-??, ??? ????? 150,000; ? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????? 1) ???????? 500*12*25 ? 2) ?? ???????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ? ???????: ??, ??? ???????? ?? Microsoft Office 150 ?????? ????? ???????????? ???? ???????, ??????? ???????, ? ?????????? Microsoft Office 365 ?? 2 ???? ???????? ? 140 ?, ????????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? ????. > > > > ??, ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? 2 ???? ??? 90% ????????? ? 90% ?????????? ??? ??????????? ??????. > > > > ?????? > > On 12 Jul 2021, 11:15 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > > ?????? ??, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????????. ????-?????? ????????? 90% ????????????, ?? ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ????? ? 3-????????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ? ???? ????? ? ???? ? ??????, ??, ????????, ??????? 7-??????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ?? "??????????" ?? "????? ?????? 40 ?????". > > > ?? ??? ???? ? ???? _??????_ ?????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ?? ?????/????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ??????? $500/month ?? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????????? $150,000 ?? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? (25 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????). ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? - ???-?? ?? ????????, ????? ???????? - ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. > > > ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????: ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ????????? $3500 ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ????????????? $200,000 ?? ?????/??? (60 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????). ? ?? ?? ????? - ???? ??? ????????? ??????, ?? ?? ????????? ??? ? ???????? ????? ????. > > > ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? - ????? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????. > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(?????? ???). ??? ???. 14 ????? 2021, 23:01:18, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : ???, ?? ???????, ? ??????? :) ????????/??????/??????/?????/?????/?? ? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????: ??????? ?????? ? CAPEX ? ????? ????? ? ??? ??? 1) Investment ??? 2) Expenditure - ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????. ??????? ?????? ? OPEX ? ????? ???? ????? ????? ? ??? 2) Expenditure, ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????? ?? CAPEX ???? ?? ? ???? ????. ?????? On 13 Jul 2021, 17:40 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: ?? ???-?? ????????? ??? ?? ?????? "????? ????". ?? ????????? ? ???????? ??????, ??????? ? "IaaS vs ??????????? ????? ????????" ??????????? ???????????. $150k "?????" ? "?? 25 ???" - ??? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? (?? ????????, ???????? ????) - "???? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???, ?? ??????????" - ?????? ? ????????? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????. ? ?? ????. On 13.07.2021 18:12, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: ?? ? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???????: ????? 25 ??? ?? 1) ??????????? ??????? ?????? ? 2) ?????? ??????????? ????-??, ??? ????? 150,000; ? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????? 1) ???????? 500*12*25 ? 2) ?? ???????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ? ???????: ??, ??? ???????? ?? Microsoft Office 150 ?????? ????? ???????????? ???? ???????, ??????? ???????, ? ?????????? Microsoft Office 365 ?? 2 ???? ???????? ? 140 ?, ????????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? ????. ??, ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? 2 ???? ??? 90% ????????? ? 90% ?????????? ??? ??????????? ??????. ?????? On 12 Jul 2021, 11:15 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: ?????? ??, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????????. ????-?????? ????????? 90% ????????????, ?? ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ????? ? 3-????????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ? ???? ????? ? ???? ? ??????, ??, ????????, ??????? 7-??????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ?? "??????????" ?? "????? ?????? 40 ?????". ?? ??? ???? ? ???? _??????_ ?????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ?? ?????/????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ??????? $500/month ?? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????????? $150,000 ?? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? (25 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????). ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? - ???-?? ?? ????????, ????? ???????? - ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????: ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ????????? $3500 ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ????????????? $200,000 ?? ?????/??? (60 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????). ? ?? ?? ????? - ???? ??? ????????? ??????, ?? ?? ????????? ??? ? ???????? ????? ????. ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? - ????? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edigarov at qarea.com Thu Jul 15 10:33:29 2021 From: edigarov at qarea.com (Gregory Edigarov) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:33:29 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0LzQvtCx0LjQu9GM0L3Ri9C1INGB0LXRgtC4INC60Lg=?= =?utf-8?b?0LXQstGB0YLQsNGALdCw?= In-Reply-To: References: <20210714161426.GA27915@yz.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <477a07d4-fb94-2b16-d807-ae7e81929206@qarea.com> ?? ? bgpq[3,4] ????? ?? ??????? ))) On 7/14/21 7:18 PM, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > ???????, ? ????? ? ????? ???????????. > > ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? > > ??, 14 ???. 2021 ?. ? 19:14, George L. Yermulnik >: > > Hello! > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 19:09:28 (+0300), VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > > ????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???? > ?????????? > > ???????? ???????? ???????? ?????, ? ??????? ??? ????? ????????? > ? ????????? > > ????????? ? ??????? - ??? ???-?. ??????, ??? ?????????? ?????? > ????? ????? > > ??????????. > > ????? ?????? ? https://networksdb.io/ip-addresses-of/kyivstar-pjsc > > > -- > George L. Yermulnik > [YZ-RIPE] > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(???????????? ?????, ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? - ???????, ??????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??????? ??????? :-) ), ?.?. time=75, probes=3, intvl=15 + ? ?????, ? ?????? ??? ???,?? ??? ? ?? ???????? ????????????????? sysctl -p 11-network-security.conf net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 0 net.ipv4.tcp_synack_retries = 2 net.ipv4.tcp_syn_retries = 3 net.ipv4.tcp_max_syn_backlog = 1024 net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 75 net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_probes = 3 net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_intvl = 15 Enjoy :) On 14.07.2021 19:09, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > ?????? ???? > > ????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???? > ?????????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ?????, ? ??????? ??? ????? > ????????? ? ????????? ????????? ? ??????? - ??? ???-?. ??????, ??? > ?????????? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????. > > ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????, ??? ???? ?? ?????, ?? ???????? ??????? > ??????????? > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"? ?????????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????, ? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? ??? ?????????: OPEX = unpredictable, CAPEX = huge > > > > > > > > > > ??? ? ???-?? ?????????? ;) > > > > > > > > > > ?????? > > > > > On 12 Jul 2021, 08:44 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote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n 11.07.2021 20:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > > > > ??????. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ????? ????????? ??? ???? ????? 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(?) ?? ??????? vendor lock-in - ??? ???????? ????????? ??? business continuity. > > > > > > > > ?????? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ????????????, ?? ???????, ????????, ? ???? ????? - ??? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???????????? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ? ???????????? ? ?????-?? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ??????. ?? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ???????????? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ? ?????? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?? ??????. ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??. ?????? ?????. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > -- > > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 14 Jul 2021, 22:08 +0200, Vladimir Sharun , wrote: > ??????, > > ???????????????? ?????? ???????????? ? ????? ????? ?????? ?/??? ??? ???????????. ? ? ??? ??? ????????? ?????????? (?????? ???). > > ??? ???. > > 14 ????? 2021, 23:01:18, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" : > > > ???, ?? ???????, ? ??????? :) > > > > ????????/??????/??????/?????/?????/?? ? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????: ??????? ?????? ? CAPEX ? ????? ????? ? ??? ??? 1) Investment ??? 2) Expenditure - ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????. ??????? ?????? ? OPEX ? ????? ???? ????? ????? ? ??? 2) Expenditure, ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????? ?? CAPEX ???? ?? ? ???? ????. > > > > ?????? > > On 13 Jul 2021, 17:40 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > > ?? ???-?? ????????? ??? ?? ?????? "????? ????". > > > ?? ????????? ? ???????? ??????, ??????? ? "IaaS vs ??????????? ????? ????????" ??????????? ???????????. > > > $150k "?????" ? "?? 25 ???" - ??? ??????????? ?????? ????????. > > > ? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? (?? ????????, ???????? ????) - "???? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???, ?? ??????????" - ?????? ? ????????? ?????? ?? ???????????? ????????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????. ? ?? ????. > > > On 13.07.2021 18:12, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > ?? ? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???????: ????? 25 ??? ?? 1) ??????????? ??????? ?????? ? 2) ?????? ??????????? ????-??, ??? ????? 150,000; ? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????? 1) ???????? 500*12*25 ? 2) ?? ???????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ? ???????: ??, ??? ???????? ?? Microsoft Office 150 ?????? ????? ???????????? ???? ???????, ??????? ???????, ? ?????????? Microsoft Office 365 ?? 2 ???? ???????? ? 140 ?, ????????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? ????. > > > > > > > > ??, ?????? ????????, ??? ????????? ?????? ?? 2 ???? ??? 90% ????????? ? 90% ?????????? ??? ??????????? ??????. > > > > > > > > ?????? > > > > On 12 Jul 2021, 11:15 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > > > > > ?????? ??, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????????. ????-?????? ????????? 90% ????????????, ?? ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ???? ????? ? 3-????????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????????. ? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ? ???? ????? ? ???? ? ??????, ??, ????????, ??????? 7-??????? ????? - ??????? ????????: ?? "??????????" ?? "????? ?????? 40 ?????". > > > > > ?? ??? ???? ? ???? _??????_ ?????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ?? ?????/????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????????. ?????? ??? ??????? $500/month ?? ???????? - ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??????????? $150,000 ?? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? (25 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????). ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? - ???-?? ?? ????????, ????? ???????? - ???????? ? ???? ? ??????. > > > > > ?? ??? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ???????????? ??????? ????: ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ????????? $3500 ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ????????????? $200,000 ?? ?????/??? (60 (!!!) ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????). ? ?? ?? ????? - ???? ??? ????????? ??????, ?? ?? ????????? ??? ? ???????? ????? ????. > > > > > ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????? - ????? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ???????. > > > -- > > > Volodymyr Litovka > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Wed Jul 21 23:52:39 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 23:52:39 +0300 Subject: [uanog] cisco serial cable @ Kharkiv Message-ID: <43183301-27d5-f912-2a00-06c9b679a985@funlab.cc> ??????, ???????? ??????, ???????, ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????????, ? ???? ????? ?????/??????/?????????????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ? ??????????? ??????? ? ????????? 2960 ?????? ? ??? ?????? :) ???????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From basil at vpm.net.ua Thu Jul 22 07:27:02 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 07:27:02 +0300 Subject: [uanog] cisco serial cable @ Kharkiv In-Reply-To: <43183301-27d5-f912-2a00-06c9b679a985@funlab.cc> References: <43183301-27d5-f912-2a00-06c9b679a985@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ? ???? ?????? ?? ???-???? ????, ???? 20 ????? ???????? - ??? ????????? ?? ????? :) ??, 21 ???. 2021 ?. ? 23:53, Volodymyr Litovka : > ??????, > > ???????? ??????, ???????, ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ? > ????????, ? ???? ????? ?????/??????/?????????????? ?????????? ???????? > ???????? ?????? ? ??????????? ??????? ? ????????? 2960 ?????? ? ??? ?????? > :) > > ???????. > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Thu Jul 22 16:01:01 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:01:01 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW Message-ID: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> ??????, ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? (???? https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). ???????. P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Jul 22 16:10:58 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:10:58 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??? 16?? ?? ???? ????????. ??????? ? ????? ? ???? ???? ???????????? ?????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? ???. ??? ???? ?????? ????, ? ???????????? ? ???????? ? ??? ??. ??? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????, ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??? "??????" - ????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????, ??????? 49.7-50.3 ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, UPS ????? ??????? "?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????", ????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ? ????? ?? ??????. ??? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ???? ????-???????. ?? ? ?? ???????, ??? ???? ?????: ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????????????????, ??? ????????????? ????? ?? ????? ???????, ? ??????????? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????. 22 ????? 2021, 16:01:42, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ??????, ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? (???? https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). ???????. P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Jul 22 16:17:17 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:17:17 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? ????????? 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"?????????? ??? ?????????". 2) "??????" ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? ??????????????? ?????? ????????! ?.?. ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? ?????? ? ???????? ??????????? ? 220?. ??????? ? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? :-) ??????? ??????? ???, ?? ??????????? ? ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????, ???????? ?? 220?, ???? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ????????? ?? ????. ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? :-) ???? ??????? ?????????? ???????????. Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:01:01 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: VL> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? VL> (???? VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). VL> ???????. VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at funlab.cc Thu Jul 22 16:18:24 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:18:24 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: On 22.07.2021 16:10, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????, > > ??? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??? 16?? ?? ???? ????????. > > ??????? ? ????? ? ???? ???? ???????????? ?????? ??? ????? ????, ??? > ????? ???. ??? ???? ?????? ????, ? ???????????? ? ???????? ? ??? ??. ???????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?? olx ?????? ???-?? ?? 400 ??????? :) > ??? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????, ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??? "??????" > - ????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????, ??????? 49.7-50.3 ? ??? ??? > ?????? ?? ????????, UPS ????? ??????? "?? ????? ?? ?? ????? > ???????????? ?????", ????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ? ????? ?? ??????. > ??? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ???? ????-???????. ? ???? ????? ???????????? ??????????. ? ?????????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????, ??? ? ???? ? ???? ?? ????? ???????????. ? ???? ???? ???-?? ? ???????? ??????????? - ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? (???????? ???????, ????? ??????? ????????????, ????????? ???????????, ? ????? 40-60 ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????????). ??????, ? ???????? ?????? UPS ? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ????????. > ?? ? ?? ???????, ??? ???? ?????: ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? > ????????????????, ??? ????????????? ????? ?? ????? ???????, ? > ??????????? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????. ??? ??? ? ????????? ????????? :) > > /22 ????? 2021, 16:01:42, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" >:/ > > ??????, > ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? > ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? > ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? > ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? > ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, > ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? > https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/ > ) > ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? > (???? > https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/ > ) > - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). > ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? > ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) > ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? > ?????????). > ???????. > P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? > ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Thu Jul 22 16:19:16 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:19:16 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ???????, ??? ???????? :) On 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) > > 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? > ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. > ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". > ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? > ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? > ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? > ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? > ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? > ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? > ????????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??? > ???? ? ???? 220? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ???????? > ?????? ??? 220?. > ???? ??????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? > ???????, ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ???????????????? ? > 220? ? 5?, 12? ? ?.?. ???? ? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????????, ? > ??? 100% ????????, ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? > "???????" ? ?????? ? ??? ?? ????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ????? ????? > ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????? ? ????????? > ? ??????. ??? ????????? ????? ????? ??? "?????????? ??? ?????????". > > 2) "??????" ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? > ??????????????? ?????? ????????! ?.?. ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? > ?????? ? ???????? ??????????? ? 220?. ??????? ? ????? ????? ??? > ??????? ???????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. > > ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? :-) > ??????? ??????? ???, ?? ??????????? ? ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????, > ???????? ?? 220?, ???? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ?????????? > ??????????? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ????????? ?? ????. > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? :-) > ???? ??????? ?????????? ???????????. > > > Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:01:01 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: > VL> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? > VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? > VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? > > VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? > VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, > VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? > VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) > VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? > VL> (???? > VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) > VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). > > VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? > VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) > VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). > > VL> ???????. > > VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? > VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Jul 22 16:27:59 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:27:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1626960293.973029000.ke0xgmyc@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, 22 ????? 2021, 16:18:55, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : On 22.07.2021 16:10, Vladimir Sharun wrote: ??????, ??? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??? 16?? ?? ???? ????????. ??????? ? ????? ? ???? ???? ???????????? ?????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? ???. ??? ???? ?????? ????, ? ???????????? ? ???????? ? ??? ??. ???????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?? olx ?????? ???-?? ?? 400 ??????? :) ??? ?????? ??? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ???????. APC 12-?? ???? 500?? ? olx ? "??????" ????????? ????? ???????? ????? 8 ? Hap-ac2. ??? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????, ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??? "??????" - ????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????, ??????? 49.7-50.3 ? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ????????, UPS ????? ??????? "?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????", ????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ? ????? ?? ??????. ??? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ???? ????-???????. ? ???? ????? ???????????? ??????????. ? ?????????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????, ??? ? ???? ? ???? ?? ????? ???????????. ? ???? ???? ???-?? ? ???????? ??????????? - ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???????????, ? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? (???????? ???????, ????? ??????? ????????????, ????????? ???????????, ? ????? 40-60 ?????? ????? ??????? ??????? ????????). ??????, ? ???????? ?????? UPS ? ???????????? ? ????????? ??? ????????. ???????????? ?????????? ?????????????, ? ?? ???????. ?????? ? ??????? ??????????? ??????? ??-?? ????? ?? ????? ???????????????????? ? ??? UPS ? ?????? ????-???????. ?? ? ?? ???????, ??? ???? ?????: ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????????????????, ??? ????????????? ????? ?? ????? ???????, ? ??????????? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????. ??? ??? ? ????????? ????????? :) ????? ????? ? ?????????????. PS: ? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ??? BackUPS'? ? ???????? ???????? ?? 3???, ??? ???? ???????? ???????????? 230? ? ????? ? ????????? "???? ???????????". ?? ?????? ???????? - ??? ?? ????, ????? ????, ??????????? ???????, ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ?????. 22 ????? 2021, 16:01:42, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ??????, ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? (???? https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). ???????. P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Jul 22 16:30:56 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:30:56 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <446260728.20210722163056@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:18:24 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: VL> On 22.07.2021 16:10, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ??????? ? ????? ? ???? ???? ???????????? ?????? ??? ????? ????, ??? >> ????? ???. ??? ???? ?????? ????, ? ???????????? ? ???????? ? ??? ??. VL> ???????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?? olx ?????? ???-?? ?? 400 ??????? :) ???? ? ???, ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ???: 1) ?? ???????? ????????? - ??-?? ???? ??? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ????????. ???????????-?? ???? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ?????????????? ?????. 2) ??????? ??? ??????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? :-( ??????? ????? ?????????? (???????) ???, ??? ?????????? ???????? ????? ???... ????? ???????????? ????????? ?????????????? ???, ??????? ?? 500-1000?? ????? ?????? 7?? ???, ??????? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? 500??/12?= 41?????! ? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ??? ?? ??? ??? 220????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ?? 18-20(!) ???? ??? 12?! ?????? ??? ??????????(!) ? ??? ??????? ???????????? ??????-??????????, ?? ?????-?? 7?? ???. ? ????? ??? ????????? 2-3-5 ?????????? ???? ? ????? ???? ???... ??? ??? ??????? ?-? ???? ?? ??? ????? :-) ?? ??? ????????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????? :) -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Jul 22 16:37:26 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:37:26 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <446260728.20210722163056@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <446260728.20210722163056@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1626960857.487958000.kwba7v3v@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? ????? 4 ???? ?? OLX, ?????? ??? APC ?????? ??? ????????? ????: 2?500 2?1000 BackUPS. ???? ???? ? ????????? 2-3 ?????? ????????, ?????? ???? ???? ??????. ????????? ??????? ?????, ?? ??? ??????? (? ??????????) ? ?????????? ?????? ? ?????? ???? ???????? - ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????-???? ? ????? ????? ? 1000-?? 300?? ?? ??????????? ????? ???? ??????. ??. ??? ????????, ?? ??????????????. 22 ????? 2021, 16:31:19, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:18:24 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: VL> On 22.07.2021 16:10, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ??????? ? ????? ? ???? ???? ???????????? ?????? ??? ????? ????, ??? >> ????? ???. ??? ???? ?????? ????, ? ???????????? ? ???????? ? ??? ??. VL> ???????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?? olx ?????? ???-?? ?? 400 ??????? :) ???? ? ???, ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ???: 1) ?? ???????? ????????? - ??-?? ???? ??? ???? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ????????. ???????????-?? ???? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ?????????????? ?????. 2) ??????? ??? ??????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? :-( ??????? ????? ?????????? (???????) ???, ??? ?????????? ???????? ????? ???... ????? ???????????? ????????? ?????????????? ???, ??????? ?? 500-1000?? ????? ?????? 7?? ???, ??????? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? 500??/12?= 41?????! ? ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ??? ?? ??? ??? 220????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ?? 18-20(!) ???? ??? 12?! ?????? ??? ??????????(!) ? ??? ??????? ???????????? ??????-??????????, ?? ?????-?? 7?? ???. ? ????? ??? ????????? 2-3-5 ?????????? ???? ? ????? ???? ???... ??? ??? ??????? ?-? ???? ?? ??? ????? :-) ?? ??? ????????? ? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????? :) -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abb at abbon.net Thu Jul 22 16:40:37 2021 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:40:37 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <124f849e-8085-7b8f-8ba9-69cf3a1b25b2@abbon.net> ??????, ?? ??????? ?????. ??????? UPS-?, ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?????? ??????, ???????. ?? ???? ???? ??????????? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ??????????: http://proline.biz.ua/ef6012c-dc-ups-60w - ??????? ??????? ????????? ???????????; https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000929999938.html - ? ?????-??????? ?????????? ??? ??????; ???????. 22.07.2021 16:19, Volodymyr Litovka ?????: > ???????, ??? ???????? :) > > On 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >> ?????? ! >> >> ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) >> >> 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? >> ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. >> ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". >> ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? >> ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? >> ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? >> ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? >> ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? >> ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? >> ????????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??? >> ???? ? ???? 220? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ???????? >> ?????? ??? 220?. >> ???? ??????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? >> ???????, ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ???????????????? ? >> 220? ? 5?, 12? ? ?.?. ???? ? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????????, ? >> ??? 100% ????????, ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? >> "???????" ? ?????? ? ??? ?? ????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ????? ????? >> ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????? ? ????????? >> ? ??????. ??? ????????? ????? ????? ??? "?????????? ??? ?????????". >> >> 2) "??????" ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? >> ??????????????? ?????? ????????! ?.?. ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? >> ?????? ? ???????? ??????????? ? 220?. ??????? ? ????? ????? ??? >> ??????? ???????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >> >> ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? :-) >> ??????? ??????? ???, ?? ??????????? ? ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????, >> ???????? ?? 220?, ???? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ?????????? >> ??????????? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ????????? ?? ????. >> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? :-) >> ???? ??????? ?????????? ???????????. >> >> >> Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:01:01 PM, Volodymyr Litovkadoka at funlab.cc you wrote: >> VL> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? >> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >> >> VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >> VL> (???? >> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >> >> VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). >> >> VL> ???????. >> >> VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >> > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From basil at vpm.net.ua Thu Jul 22 16:40:31 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:40:31 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ???????-?????????????? ??????????, ?? ??????????? ????? ???????? ??, 22 ???. 2021 ?. ? 16:01, Volodymyr Litovka : > ??????, > > ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? > ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? > ???????? ??? ??????? > > ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? ?? ???? > ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, ????? ???????) - > ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? > https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) > ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? (???? > https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) > - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). > > ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? ?????????? > ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) ? ??? > ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). > > ???????. > > P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? ???????, > ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Jul 22 16:43:58 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:43:58 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1626960293.973029000.ke0xgmyc@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1626960293.973029000.ke0xgmyc@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <819754626.20210722164358@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:27:59 PM, Vladimir Sharun vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS> ??? ?????? ??? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ???????. APC 12-?? ???? VS> 500?? ? olx ? "??????" ????????? ????? ???????? ????? 8 ? Hap-ac2. ???? ???? ????? ? ????? ????????? ?????? ????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ?????, ???????? ????? ? ??? ??????? ????????????? ???, ???-?? ?? 60??. ? ????? ? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?????, ? ???? 40????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????, ? ??????? ?? ??????? 7?? :-) ?? ? ?? ????? ?? ??????? - ????? ????? ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ? ???????? ????????, ??????????? (? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???) ? ???????????? ??? ??????? ? ?? ?????????? ??? :-) VS> ???????????? ?????????? ?????????????, ? ?? ???????. ?????? ? VS> ??????? ??????????? ??????? ??-?? ????? ?? ????? VS> ???????????????????? ? ??? UPS ? ?????? ????-???????. ?? ??? :-) ??? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?????? ??????????. ?????? "?????" ???? ????? ???????? ???, ??? ???? ????? ????????? "???????? ???? 220?" ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ? ????????? ?? ???. ?????? ??? ?????????? ? "?????????????? ? 220?". VS> ????? ????? ? ?????????????. ??????????? ????? ????????? ??????????, ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ??????????????????, ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ????. ?? ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ? ???????. VS> PS: ? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ??? BackUPS'? ? ???????? ???????? VS> ?? 3???, ??? ???? ???????? ???????????? 230? ? ????? ? ????????? VS> "???? ???????????". ?? ?????? ???????? - ??? ?? ????, ????? ????, VS> ??????????? ???????, ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ?????. ?? ????? ? ??? ?????? ??????. ?? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? :-) ????? ???????: ?????? ???? ??????? ? 220? ? 13.6-14.0 ?????, ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????, ? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? 3??? - ? ????? ?????? 220? ?? ??????. ???? ????????? ??????? 220? - ?? ? ??? ? ??? :-) ?? ? ??? ? ??? ????????, ??? ??????. VS> 22 ????? 2021, 16:01:42, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : VS> ??????, VS> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? VS> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? VS> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? VS> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? VS> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, VS> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? VS> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) VS> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? VS> (???? VS> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) VS> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). VS> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? VS> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) VS> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). VS> ???????. VS> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? VS> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) VS> -- VS> Volodymyr Litovka VS> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison VS> _______________________________________________ VS> uanog mailing list VS> uanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at funlab.cc Thu Jul 22 16:47:56 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:47:56 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1626960293.973029000.ke0xgmyc@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1626960293.973029000.ke0xgmyc@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <6ebf99e4-ece6-4753-8c59-a5f97dc71bdf@funlab.cc> On 22.07.2021 16:27, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ???????. ?????? ????? ?????? ?? olx ?????? ???-?? ?? 400 ??????? :) > > > ??? ?????? ??? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ???????. APC 12-?? ???? > 500?? ? olx ? "??????" ????????? ????? ???????? ????? 8 ? Hap-ac2. + > PS: ? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ??? BackUPS'? ? ???????? ???????? ?? > 3???, ??? ???? ???????? ???????????? 230? ? ????? ? ????????? "???? > ???????????". ?? ?????? ???????? - ??? ?? ????, ????? ????, > ??????????? ???????, ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ?????. ??????? ???, ????? ????????? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Jul 22 16:49:56 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:49:56 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <124f849e-8085-7b8f-8ba9-69cf3a1b25b2@abbon.net> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <124f849e-8085-7b8f-8ba9-69cf3a1b25b2@abbon.net> Message-ID: <569203964.20210722164956@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:40:37 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote: AB> ?? ??????? ?????. ??????? UPS-?, ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? AB> ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?????? ??????, ???????. ?? AB> ???? ???? ??????????? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ?? ???? ??? ??? ???????? :) ? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ? ?? ??????? "??????? ?????????" ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ??????????, ? ?? "??????????????" ??? ? ?????????? "??????" ????? ???. AB> ??????????: AB> http://proline.biz.ua/ef6012c-dc-ups-60w - ??????? ??????? ????????? ???????????; "??????" ???... ? ???? ???? ????? ??? ? ??????? "??????? ?????????" AB> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000929999938.html - ? AB> ?????-??????? ?????????? ??? ??????; ???... ????????? ? ?????? ?? ??????. ? ????????? ? "??????????" ? ?? ????????? ??? ????? ??????????. AB> ???????. AB> 22.07.2021 16:19, Volodymyr Litovka ?????: >> ???????, ??? ???????? :) >> > On 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>> ?????? ! >>> >>> ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) >>> >>> 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? >>> ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. >>> ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". >>> ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? >>> ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? >>> ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? >>> ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? >>> ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? >>> ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? >>> ????????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??? >>> ???? ? ???? 220? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ???????? >>> ?????? ??? 220?. >>> ???? ??????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? >>> ???????, ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ???????????????? ? >>> 220? ? 5?, 12? ? ?.?. ???? ? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????????, ? >>> ??? 100% ????????, ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? >>> "???????" ? ?????? ? ??? ?? ????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ????? ????? >>> ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????? ? ????????? >>> ? ??????. ??? ????????? ????? ????? ??? "?????????? ??? ?????????". >>> >>> 2) "??????" ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? >>> ??????????????? ?????? ????????! ?.?. ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? >>> ?????? ? ???????? ??????????? ? 220?. ??????? ? ????? ????? ??? >>> ??????? ???????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >>> >>> ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? :-) >>> ??????? ??????? ???, ?? ??????????? ? ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????, >>> ???????? ?? 220?, ???? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ?????????? >>> ??????????? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ????????? ?? ????. >>> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? :-) >>> ???? ??????? ?????????? ???????????. >>> >>> >>> Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:01:01 PM, Volodymyr Litovkadoka at funlab.cc you wrote: >>> VL> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? >>> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >>> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >>> >>> VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >>> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >>> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >>> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >>> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >>> VL> (???? >>> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >>> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >>> >>> VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >>> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >>> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). >>> >>> VL> ???????. >>> >>> VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >>> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >>> >> -- > Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> > > _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Jul 22 16:55:18 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 16:55:18 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <819754626.20210722164358@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1626958970.904256000.3uc3u1y2@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1626960293.973029000.ke0xgmyc@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <819754626.20210722164358@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1626961543.309554000.01n0tr8c@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, 22 ????? 2021, 16:44:08, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:27:59 PM, Vladimir Sharun vladimir.sharun at ukr.net you wrote: VS> ??? ?????? ??? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ???????. APC 12-?? ???? VS> 500?? ? olx ? "??????" ????????? ????? ???????? ????? 8 ? Hap-ac2. ???? ???? ????? ? ????? ????????? ?????? ????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ?????, ???????? ????? ? ??? ??????? ????????????? ???, ???-?? ?? 60??. ? ????? ? ??? ? ???? ?????? ?????, ? ???? 40????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?????, ? ??????? ?? ??????? 7?? :-) ?? ? ?? ????? ?? ??????? - ????? ????? ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ? ???????? ????????, ??????????? (? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???) ? ???????????? ??? ??????? ? ?? ?????????? ??? :-) ???? ???? ????????? ????: ??? ???? ??????? ? ?????????? ? ??????????? ? ??? ??? ??? ???. ? ????? ???? ???????? ? ?????. ?????? - ???? ?? ??????????? ? ???? ??????. ? ????? ?? 5 ??? ??? ????????. VS> ???????????? ?????????? ?????????????, ? ?? ???????. ?????? ? VS> ??????? ??????????? ??????? ??-?? ????? ?? ????? VS> ???????????????????? ? ??? UPS ? ?????? ????-???????. ?? ??? :-) ??? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?????? ??????????. ?????? "?????" ???? ????? ???????? ???, ??? ???? ????? ????????? "???????? ???? 220?" ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??? ??? ???????? ? ????????? ?? ???. ?????? ??? ?????????? ? "?????????????? ? 220?". ??????????? UPS'? ???????? ???????????????? ??? ???????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????, ?? ??????? ???? ? ????????? GE ?????? ??? ? ?????: ?? ???? ????????????????????, ???? ? ??? ?? ?????, ????????? ?????? ???????????????, ??? ???? ???, ???????????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ???? (??? ????? ????????? ?? ?????????, ???????? ?????? ? ?????) "??????????" - ? ???? ??? 1000-??, ???? ??????? ? ????????, ? ?????? - ?? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ???????? ???????. VS> ????? ????? ? ?????????????. ??????????? ????? ????????? ??????????, ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ??????????????????, ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ????. ?? ??? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ? ???????. ?? ???? ???. ? ???????????? ??? ? ???????????????? ?????????? ? ??? ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? (? ?? ????????????? ????? ???????), ?? ????? ??????. VS> PS: ? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ??? BackUPS'? ? ???????? ???????? VS> ?? 3???, ??? ???? ???????? ???????????? 230? ? ????? ? ????????? VS> "???? ???????????". ?? ?????? ???????? - ??? ?? ????, ????? ????, VS> ??????????? ???????, ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ?????. ?? ????? ? ??? ?????? ??????. ?? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? :-) ????? ???????: ?????? ???? ??????? ? 220? ? 13.6-14.0 ?????, ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????, ? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? 3??? - ? ????? ?????? 220? ?? ??????. ???? ????????? ??????? 220? - ?? ? ??? ? ??? :-) ?? ? ??? ? ??? ????????, ??? ??????. ??? ? ???????? ???? ?????????? ???????... VS> 22 ????? 2021, 16:01:42, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : VS> ??????, VS> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? VS> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? VS> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? VS> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? VS> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, VS> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? VS> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) VS> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? VS> (???? VS> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) VS> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). VS> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? VS> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) VS> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). VS> ???????. VS> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? VS> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) VS> -- VS> Volodymyr Litovka VS> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison VS> _______________________________________________ VS> uanog mailing list VS> uanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Jul 22 17:00:59 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 17:00:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <569203964.20210722164956@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <124f849e-8085-7b8f-8ba9-69cf3a1b25b2@abbon.net> <569203964.20210722164956@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1626962276.806197000.i9wmahrd@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??????? ?? ? ??????/wifi-???????? ????? ????????? ????????? - ?????????. 22 ????? 2021, 16:50:06, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:40:37 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote: AB> ?? ??????? ?????. ??????? UPS-?, ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? AB> ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?????? ??????, ???????. ?? AB> ???? ???? ??????????? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. ?? ???? ??? ??? ???????? :) ? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ? ?? ??????? "??????? ?????????" ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ??????????, ? ?? "??????????????" ??? ? ?????????? "??????" ????? ???. AB> ??????????: AB> http://proline.biz.ua/ef6012c-dc-ups-60w - ??????? ??????? ????????? ???????????; "??????" ???... ? ???? ???? ????? ??? ? ??????? "??????? ?????????" AB> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000929999938.html - ? AB> ?????-??????? ?????????? ??? ??????; ???... ????????? ? ?????? ?? ??????. ? ????????? ? "??????????" ? ?? ????????? ??? ????? ??????????. AB> ???????. AB> 22.07.2021 16:19, Volodymyr Litovka ?????: >> ???????, ??? ???????? :) >> > On 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>> ?????? ! >>> >>> ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) >>> >>> 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? >>> ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. >>> ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". >>> ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? >>> ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? >>> ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? >>> ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? >>> ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? >>> ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? >>> ????????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??? >>> ???? ? ???? 220? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ???????? >>> ?????? ??? 220?. >>> ???? ??????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? >>> ???????, ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ???????????????? ? >>> 220? ? 5?, 12? ? ?.?. ???? ? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????????, ? >>> ??? 100% ????????, ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? >>> "???????" ? ?????? ? ??? ?? ????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ????? ????? >>> ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????? ? ????????? >>> ? ??????. ??? ????????? ????? ????? ??? "?????????? ??? ?????????". >>> >>> 2) "??????" ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? >>> ??????????????? ?????? ????????! ?.?. ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? >>> ?????? ? ???????? ??????????? ? 220?. ??????? ? ????? ????? ??? >>> ??????? ???????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >>> >>> ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? :-) >>> ??????? ??????? ???, ?? ??????????? ? ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????, >>> ???????? ?? 220?, ???? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ?????????? >>> ??????????? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ????????? ?? ????. >>> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? :-) >>> ???? ??????? ?????????? ???????????. >>> >>> >>> Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:01:01 PM, Volodymyr Litovkadoka at funlab.cc you wrote: >>> VL> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? >>> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >>> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >>> >>> VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >>> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >>> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >>> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >>> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >>> VL> (???? >>> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >>> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >>> >>> VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >>> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >>> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). >>> >>> VL> ???????. >>> >>> VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >>> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >>> >> -- > Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >> > > _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abb at abbon.net Thu Jul 22 17:02:58 2021 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 17:02:58 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> ??? ???? ???????? ? ?????????? ???????????. ??. ??? ????????, ??????? ?????????? 220? 50?? ?? ???? ??????????? ?? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????????, ??????? ????????? ?????? ??? ?????????. ??? ???, ???? ??????????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????? ????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? 10 ?? ??? ??? ???????????? 50??. ??? ??? ??????? ? 2?? ???????? ????? ??, ???? ??? ? 10?? ?? ??????????? ? ? ??????? ? ????? ??????. ?????? ????, ???????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? 2?? ?? ???????????? ?? ????? ????. ??? ??? ??, ??? ?????? ????????????? ??????????? ? ??????????? - ??? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ?????????. ?? ??????? ???????? ?? ????, ? ??? ????? ? ?? ??????? ???? ?????????????, ??? ??? ??? ???????. ?????? ???-? - ???, ???????, ??????, ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? :) . ???????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????????. ????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????. ? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????? ????????????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????????. ? ??????? ????, ???? ???. 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka ?????: > ?????? ! > > ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) > > 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? > ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. > ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? 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"?????????? ??? ?????????". > > 2) "??????" ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? > ??????????????? ?????? ????????! ?.?. ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? > ?????? ? ???????? ??????????? ? 220?. ??????? ? ????? ????? ??? > ??????? ???????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. > > ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? :-) > ??????? ??????? ???, ?? ??????????? ? ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????, > ???????? ?? 220?, ???? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ?????????? > ??????????? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ????????? ?? ????. > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? :-) > ???? ??????? ?????????? ???????????. > > > Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:01:01 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote: > VL> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? > VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? > VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? > > VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? > VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, > VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? > VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) > VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? > VL> (???? > VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) > VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). > > VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? > VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) > VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). > > VL> ???????. > > VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? > VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Jul 22 17:08:55 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 17:08:55 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> Message-ID: <1626962862.886744000.atf6dnhs@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??? ???? ???? ?????, ? ??????????? ??? "?? ?????? ?? ????????????" :-) ???? ??????? :-) 22 ????? 2021, 17:03:07, ??? "Alexandr Baryshnyev" : ??? ???? ???????? ? ?????????? ???????????. ??. ??? ????????, ??????? ?????????? 220? 50?? ?? ???? ??????????? ?? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????? ?????????????????? ??????????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????????, ??????? ????????? ?????? ??? ?????????. ??? ???, ???? ??????????? ????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????? ????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? 10 ?? ??? ??? ???????????? 50??. ??? ??? ??????? ? 2?? ???????? ????? ??, ???? ??? ? 10?? ?? ??????????? ? ? ??????? ? ????? ??????. ?????? ????, ???????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? 2?? ?? ???????????? ?? ????? ????. ??? ??? ??, ??? ?????? ????????????? ??????????? ? ??????????? - ??? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ?????????. ?? ??????? ???????? ?? ????, ? ??? ????? ? ?? ??????? ???? ?????????????, ??? ??? ??? ???????. ?????? ???-? - ???, ???????, ??????, ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? :) . ???????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????????. ????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????. ? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????? ????????????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????????. ? ??????? ????, ???? ???. 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka ?????: > ?????? ! > > ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) > > 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? > ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. > ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? 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"????????? ??? ?????????" ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? > ???????, ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ???????????????? ? > 220? ? 5?, 12? ? ?.?. ???? ? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????????, ? > ??? 100% ????????, ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? > "???????" ? ?????? ? ??? ?? ????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ????? ????? > ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????? ? ????????? > ? ??????. ??? ????????? ????? ????? ??? 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(??? > VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? > VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? > > VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? > VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, > VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? > VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) > VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? > VL> (???? > VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) > VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). > > VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? > VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) > VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). > > VL> ???????. > > VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? > VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Jul 22 17:10:04 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 17:10:04 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> Message-ID: <1297714282.20210722171004@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 5:02:58 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote: AB> ?????? ???-? - ???, ???????, ??????, ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? :) . AB> ???????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????????. AB> ????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ??????? AB> ????. ? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????? AB> ????????????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????????. ? ??????? ????, ???? ???. ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? "?????????? ????? ????" ?? ??? ?? ?????? ???. ??? ??????? ??????? ? ?????. ? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???????? "?? ??????" ? ?????????????. ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ? ??????? - ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ??????????? ? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????????. ????? ??????? ??? "??????? ????????????". ??? ????????? - ??? ?????? ? ?????? ? ?????. ??????? - ??? "????????????? ???????? ?? ???". ? ?????? - ??? ??? ??? "?? ?????? 100% ? ??????". AB> 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka ?????: >> ?????? ! >> > ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) >> > 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? >> ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. >> ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". >> ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? >> ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? >> ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? >> ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? >> ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? >> ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? >> ????????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??? >> ???? ? ???? 220? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ???????? >> ?????? ??? 220?. >> ???? ??????? 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(??? >> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >> > VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >> VL> (???? >> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >> > VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). >> > VL> ???????. >> > VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >> -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From abb at abbon.net Thu Jul 22 17:14:19 2021 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 17:14:19 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <569203964.20210722164956@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <124f849e-8085-7b8f-8ba9-69cf3a1b25b2@abbon.net> <569203964.20210722164956@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: 22.07.2021 16:49, Alexander V Soroka ?????: > ?????? ! > > Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:40:37 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote: > AB> ?? ??????? ?????. ??????? UPS-?, ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? > AB> ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ?????? ??????, ???????. ?? > AB> ???? ???? ??????????? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????????? ????? ????????. > > ?? ???? ??? ??? ???????? :) ?? ?????, ?? ????????????? :) > ? ?? ???????????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ? ?? ??????? > "??????? ?????????" ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? ?????? ?????????? > ????????? ??????????, ? ?? "??????????????" ??? ? ?????????? 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"??????????" ? > ?? ????????? ??? ????? ??????????. ? ??? ?????????????. ??????? ??? ????? ?? ??, ??? ???? ?????-??. ??????? ????? ?? ????? ??????, ??? ???????? ?????? ????????. ?? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????? - ???????????, ??? ??? ??????. ???? ????????? ?????? ???????, ??????? ?????? ????????????/??????, ??? ?????????? ? ??????????? ??? ????. ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ? 1? ????? 3 ?????. ? ?? ?? ????????????, ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????????? ? ???? ?? ??? ? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????????. > > AB> ???????. > > AB> 22.07.2021 16:19, Volodymyr Litovka ?????: >>> ???????, ??? ???????? :) >>>> On 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>>> ?????? ! >>>> >>>> ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) >>>> >>>> 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? >>>> ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. >>>> ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". >>>> ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? >>>> ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? >>>> ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? >>>> ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? >>>> ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? >>>> ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? >>>> ????????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??? >>>> ???? ? ???? 220? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ???????? >>>> ?????? ??? 220?. >>>> ???? ??????? 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"?????????? ??? ?????????". >>>> >>>> 2) "??????" ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? >>>> ??????????????? ?????? ????????! ?.?. ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? >>>> ?????? ? ???????? ??????????? ? 220?. ??????? ? ????? ????? ??? >>>> ??????? ???????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????. >>>> >>>> ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? :-) >>>> ??????? ??????? ???, ?? ??????????? ? ???, ????? ? ????? ???????????, >>>> ???????? ?? 220?, ???? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ?????????? >>>> ??????????? ??????? ?????????????. ?? ????????? ?? ????. >>>> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? :-) >>>> ???? ??????? ?????????? ???????????. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:01:01 PM, Volodymyr Litovkadoka at funlab.cc you wrote: >>>> VL> ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? (??? >>>> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >>>> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >>>> >>>> VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >>>> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >>>> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >>>> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >>>> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >>>> VL> (???? >>>> VL>https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >>>> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >>>> >>>> VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >>>> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >>>> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). >>>> >>>> VL> ???????. >>>> >>>> VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >>>> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >>>> >>> -- > Volodymyr Litovka >>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> > > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Jul 22 17:18:10 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 17:18:10 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1297714282.20210722171004@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> <1297714282.20210722171004@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <641237786.20210722171810@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ????????. 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AB> ?????????? ? ??????????? ??? ????. ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? AB> ???????? ? 1? ????? 3 ?????. ? ?? ?? ????????????, ???? ?? ??? ??? AB> ?? ???? ????????? ? ???? ?? ??? ? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????????. >> > AB> ???????. >> > AB> 22.07.2021 16:19, Volodymyr Litovka ?????: >>>> ???????, ??? ???????? :) >>>>> On 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka wrote: >>>>> ?????? ! >>>>> >>>>> ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) >>>>> >>>>> 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? >>>>> ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. >>>>> ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". >>>>> ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? >>>>> ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? >>>>> ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? 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(???? ??????????? ?????????). >>>>> >>>>> VL> ???????. >>>>> >>>>> VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >>>>> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >>>>> >>>> -- > Volodymyr Litovka >>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>> >> > -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From abb at abbon.net Thu Jul 22 20:03:10 2021 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:03:10 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1297714282.20210722171004@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> <1297714282.20210722171004@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <3bc8532d-198d-c990-808e-e469082d5199@abbon.net> ???, ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ??? ????????????? ????????????? ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ??. ??, ???????????? ????? ? ?????????? ???????????? ????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??, ????? ???????????? 0. ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????????? ????????? ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ???????, ???????, ???????, ? ?????? ??????, ?????? ? ??????. ? ???????? ????? ??????????? ????? ???? ??????????? ??????? ?????, ???? ? ?????????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ??????????, ???????, ????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? ???????? ?????. ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????, ?? ???????? ??????????? ? ???????????? ? ????-???. ??, ??????????? ? ??????? ????, ?? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ????????????? ??????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ???????. ? ?????????? ?????????? ? ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ????????? ?????. ?? ??? ? ???????? ?????. ? ?? ? ????? ??????????? ????????? ?????. ???-?? ???. 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(??? >>> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >>> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >>>> VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >>> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >>> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >>> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >>> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >>> VL> (???? >>> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >>> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >>>> VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >>> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >>> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). >>>> VL> ???????. >>>> VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >>> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >>> > > -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From alex at euro.net.ua Thu Jul 22 20:36:31 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:36:31 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <3bc8532d-198d-c990-808e-e469082d5199@abbon.net> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> <1297714282.20210722171004@euro.net.ua> <3bc8532d-198d-c990-808e-e469082d5199@abbon.net> Message-ID: <1213956507.20210722203631@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Thursday, July 22, 2021, 8:03:10 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote: AB> ???, ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ??? ????????????? ????????????? AB> ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ??. ??, ???????????? ????? AB> ? ?????????? ???????????? ????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??, AB> ????? ???????????? 0. ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????????? ????????? AB> ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ??????????. ??????? ???????? ????????????? ???, ??????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????-?? ??????? ???? (? ???? ?????? ????) ??????? ???, ??? ???? ?? ????????, ? ?????? ?????????????? ???????????, ?? ?????? 13.1--13.3 ?????? ?? ???, ?? ? ????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ?? 2-3 ?? 7-8 ???. ???? ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ?? ?? ??? :-) ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? :) ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????? ??? ??? :-) ?????????? ????????? ???? (??? ??? ??????????) ??? ???????. AB> ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ?????? :) ?????? ???: http://adopt-zu.soroka.org.ua/ http://adopt-zu.soroka.org.ua/istoriya.html ? ?????????? ??????????. AB> ???????, ???????, ???????, ? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??????????. ????????? ???? :) AB> ? ?????? ??????, ?????? ? ??????. ??????? ??????? ??? "?? ??????????", ?? ??? ????? ?? 10 ??? ?????? :-) AB> ? ???????? ????? ??????????? AB> ????? ???? ??????????? ??????? ?????, ???? ? ?????????? ?????? ?? AB> ????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? AB> ??????????, ???????, ????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? AB> ???????? ?????. ?? ?? ? :) ? ?? ??? ? ??????? ??? ???????????? ? :) AB> ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????, ?? ???????? AB> ??????????? ? ???????????? ? ????-???. ??, ??????????? ? ??????? AB> ????, ?? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ????... ??? ?? ? ????????????? ???????????, ? ?????????? ??? ???????? ? ??????? ????? ??? ?????????? ?? ???? :-( ?? ???? ?????? ???? ? ??? ?? ?? ????????????. ??? 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(??? >>>> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >>>> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >>>>> VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >>>> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >>>> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >>>> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >>>> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >>>> VL> (???? >>>> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >>>> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >>>>> VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >>>> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >>>> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? (???? ??????????? ?????????). >>>>> VL> ???????. >>>>> VL> P.S. ????, ? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???? :) ?? ??? ???? ?????? ? >>>> VL> ???????, ? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????? :) >>>> >> > -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From abb at abbon.net Thu Jul 22 20:48:16 2021 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:48:16 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <1213956507.20210722203631@euro.net.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> <1297714282.20210722171004@euro.net.ua> <3bc8532d-198d-c990-808e-e469082d5199@abbon.net> <1213956507.20210722203631@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <804df7a4-ad17-7ad3-bea1-5d2b90d318b9@abbon.net> ?? ???, ??? ? ????, ??? ????????? ??????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ??????????. ??, ???????????, ?????????? ?? ????. ? ???-??, ??? ?????? ??????????? ??????????? ? ???? ???????? ???? ? 1975 ????, ? ? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????????? ???? ??? ??? ? ?????. ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ? ??? ????? ?????? ??????, ?? ??, ?????, ??? ??? ?????. 22.07.2021 20:36, Alexander V Soroka ?????: > ?????? ! > > Thursday, July 22, 2021, 8:03:10 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote: > AB> ???, ???????, ?? ? ???? ????? ??? ????????????? ????????????? > AB> ????? ? ????? ?????????? ????????????. ??. ??, ???????????? ????? > AB> ? ?????????? ???????????? ????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??, > AB> ????? ???????????? 0. ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????????? ????????? > AB> ??????????? ? ????? ??????? ??????? ????????? > > ?????? ??????????. > ??????? ???????? ????????????? ???, ??????? ???????? ???????? ? > ?????-?? ??????? ???? (? ???? ?????? ????) ??????? ???, ??? ???? ?? > ????????, ? ?????? ?????????????? ???????????, ?? ?????? 13.1--13.3 > ?????? ?? ???, ?? ? ????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ?? 2-3 ?? 7-8 > ???. ???? ?? ??????? ? ?????????, ?? ?? ??? :-) ??? ??? ??????? > ???????? ? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? :) ??? ?????? > ?????? ?? ????????? ??? ??? :-) > ?????????? ????????? ???? (??? ??? ??????????) ??? ???????. > > AB> ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ????? ??????? ? ??????????? > > ??? ??? ??? ???????????? ?????? :) ?????? ???: > http://adopt-zu.soroka.org.ua/ > http://adopt-zu.soroka.org.ua/istoriya.html > ? ?????????? ??????????. > > AB> ???????, ???????, ???????, > > ? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ??????? ? ???? ??????????. ????????? ???? :) > > AB> ? ?????? ??????, ?????? ? ??????. > > ??????? ??????? ??? "?? ??????????", ?? ??? ????? ?? 10 ??? ?????? :-) > > AB> ? ???????? ????? ??????????? > AB> ????? ???? ??????????? ??????? ?????, ???? ? ?????????? ?????? ?? > AB> ????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? > AB> ??????????, ???????, ????? ??????? ????????? ??????????? ? > AB> ???????? ?????. > > ?? ?? ? :) ? ?? ??? ? ??????? ??? ???????????? ? :) > > AB> ????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????, ?? ???????? > AB> ??????????? ? ???????????? ? ????-???. ??, ??????????? ? ??????? > AB> ????, ?? ??????? ???????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? > > ???? ????... ??? ?? ? ????????????? ???????????, ? ?????????? ??? > ???????? ? ??????? ????? ??? ?????????? ?? ???? :-( ?? ???? ?????? > ???? ? ??? ?? ?? ????????????. ??? > > AB> , ??? ??? ????????????? ??????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ???????. > > ...??? ???????? ? ??????????? ?????? ????, ??? ??? ??????????? ?????? > ????????? ????????? ?? ?? ?? ????? ??????????. ? ???? ? ??? ??? > ?????????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ??????????, ?? ??? ???? ????????? > ??????? :) > > AB> P.S. ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ??????? ??????? ? ??????????. > > ?? ??????? ? ?????? :-) ? ?????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????? ?? ??????. > ? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????? ????, ? ??????-?? ???????????? > ??????? ???????????, ????????? ??, ? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ????? > ????? ????????????? ????????. ?? ???? ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ????, > ? ?? ???? ?????? ???. ? ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ????? ????. > ??? ???, "??? ??????" :-) ??? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???????? ? ??????? > ????????? ??? ? ??????? ??????????? :) ??? ? ???? ??????? ? ????? :) > ? ???????? ?????????? ????????????????? ?? ???? ???????? ? 25000????? > ??? ? ??????? 1986-1990 ?????, ?? ?????????, ????? ??? ? ????? ??????? > > AB> ?????? ? ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????????? :). ??? ??, ??? ???????? > AB> ? ???????? ?????, ????????? ????????????. ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? > AB> ???????? ?????????, ? ?? ?????? ??????????. > > > AB> 22.07.2021 17:10, Alexander V Soroka ?????: >>> ?????? ! >>>> Thursday, July 22, 2021, 5:02:58 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote: >>> AB> ?????? ???-? - ???, ???????, ??????, ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? :) . >>> AB> ???????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????????. >>> AB> ????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ??????? >>> AB> ????. ? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????? >>> AB> ????????????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????????. ? ??????? ????, ???? ???. >>>> ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? "?????????? ????? ????" ?? ??? >>> ?? ?????? ???. ??? ??????? ??????? ? ?????. ? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? >>> ??? ???????? "?? ??????" ? ?????????????. >>>> ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ? ??????? - ??????????? ??????, >>> ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ??????????? ? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? >>> ?? ?????? ?????????. ????? ??????? ??? "??????? ????????????". >>>> ??? ????????? - ??? ?????? ? ?????? ? ?????. >>> ??????? - ??? "????????????? ???????? ?? ???". >>> ? ?????? - ??? ??? ??? "?? ?????? 100% ? ??????". >>>>> AB> 22.07.2021 16:17, Alexander V Soroka ?????: >>>>> ?????? ! >>>>>> ??????????? ?? ???? ????????. :-) >>>>>> 1) "???????" ???? ??? ?????????? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ???? >>>>> ????????????. ????????????????, ? ??????????. >>>>> ?????? ??????? ? ??? ??????? ???????? "????? ???????????? 2??". >>>>> ?? ??? ??? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ??? ? ??? ? ????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????? >>>>> ???????, ?????? ???? ????? ????????????????? ?????????????, ??????? >>>>> ???????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ????? ??????? (2 ???????) ????? >>>>> ?????????? ???????. ? ???????????? ??????????, ????????????? >>>>> ??????????????, ? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????????? >>>>> ?????????? "????? ??????????", ? ???? ? ????????? ???????. ??? >>>>> ????????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ? ?????? ???????????? ??????? ??? >>>>> ???? ? ???? 220? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????????????, ??????? ? ???????? >>>>> ?????? ??? 220?. >>>>> ???? ??????? "????????? ??? ?????????" ?????????? ??? ???? ?????? >>>>> ???????, ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ????? ???????????????? ? >>>>> 220? ? 5?, 12? ? ?.?. ???? ? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????????, ? >>>>> ??? 100% ????????, ?? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ????????? >>>>> "???????" ? ?????? ? ??? ?? ????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ????? ????? >>>>> ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????????????????? ?????????? ? ????????? >>>>> ? ??????. ??? ????????? ????? ????? ??? 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(??? >>>>> VL> ???????????? ?? ????? ?? ???????) ????????? ??? ???????? >>>>> VL> ??????????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? >>>>>> VL> ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? - ????????, ??? ?????????? ???? >>>>> VL> ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ???????; ?????? ?? ???????? (??????????, >>>>> VL> ????? ???????) - ? ??????????????? ???????-?????????????? (???? >>>>> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/fsp-dp-450va-dp450iec/) >>>>> VL> ??????? ????? ???????????? 2??, ? ??????????????? ???? ??????????? >>>>> VL> (???? >>>>> VL> https://hotline.ua/computer-istochniki-besperebojnogo-pitaniya/merlion-buda-400/) >>>>> VL> - 2-6?? (??? ?? ????????????? ??????). >>>>>> VL> ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????? >>>>> VL> ?????????? ?????? ?????????? - ?????? (gw), ???? (??????? ?? ????) >>>>> VL> ? ??? ???????????????, ????? ?? 2 ????? ??????? 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"????" ? ???? ???? ?? ??????????????). ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ???????????? ???????? ????????? ?? ???? ???. ???? ???-?? ????? ???? ? ???? ????? ????, ?? ?????? ?? ???????. -netch- From netch at netch.kiev.ua Thu Jul 22 22:06:26 2021 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 22:06:26 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <20210722190421.GK724@netch.kiev.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> <1626962862.886744000.atf6dnhs@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210722190421.GK724@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20210722190626.GL724@netch.kiev.ua> Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 22:04:21, netch wrote about "Re: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW": ??? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????????? ? ?????????? ??-???????????... > Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 17:08:55, vladimir.sharun wrote about "Re: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW": > > > ?????? ???-? - ???, ???????, ??????, ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? :) . > > ??? ? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ?????????????? ? abb at . > > > ???????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???????? ?? > > ????????????. ????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????. ? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? > > ???? ????????? ????????????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????????. ? ??????? ????, ???? ???. > > ? ??????? ??????????? ?????? (??????? ?? ?????? "????" ? ???? ???? ?? > ??????????????). > ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ???????????? ???????? > ????????? ?? ???? ???. > > ???? ???-?? ????? ???? ? ???? ????? ????, ?? ?????? ?? ???????. -netch- From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Fri Jul 23 11:52:10 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 11:52:10 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UPS for CPE GW In-Reply-To: <20210722190421.GK724@netch.kiev.ua> References: <3e38f95a-2ea3-88c1-6f38-d8c6e094c7ea@funlab.cc> <1332050828.20210722161717@euro.net.ua> <09466815-6df8-e7fa-d9cc-380daa0a68ce@abbon.net> <1626962862.886744000.atf6dnhs@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210722190421.GK724@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1627029172.824198000.bnks1n34@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, A thyristor (/?a??r?st?r/) is a solid-state semiconductor device with four layers of alternating P- and N-type materials. It acts exclusively as a bistable switch, conducting when the gate receives a current trigger, and continuing to conduct until the voltage across the device is reversed biased, or until the voltage is removed (by some other means) A relay is an electrically operated switch. It consists of a set of input terminals for a single or multiple control signals, and a set of operating contact terminals. The switch may have any number of contacts in multiple contact forms, such as make contacts, break contacts, or combinations thereof. ??. ?? ????? ????????? ????? ????: Un relais ?lectrom?canique est un organe ?lectrique permettant de distribuer la puissance ? partir d'un ordre ?mis par la partie commande. ?? ??? ??: Le relais statique, enti?rement ?lectronique, remplace avantageusement dans beaucoup de situations le relais ?lectrom?canique. 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URL: From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Wed Jul 28 18:50:34 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:50:34 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= Message-ID: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> ?????? ????! ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: - ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) - WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? - ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) - USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????) - ???????? RAM - ????????? CPU From sm at netartgroup.com Wed Jul 28 18:58:14 2021 From: sm at netartgroup.com (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 17:58:14 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= In-Reply-To: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <6EBB07F4-28AF-4B46-AFAE-A1602E37265C@netartgroup.com> ??????! Turris - ??? ??? ?? ??????. ???-?? 300? ? ???????. -- S. > On 28 Jul 2021, at 17:50, Max Tulyev wrote: > > ?????? ????! > > ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. > > ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: > - ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) > - WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? > - ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) > - USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????) > - ???????? 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CPU > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Wed Jul 28 19:57:23 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:57:23 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= In-Reply-To: <6EBB07F4-28AF-4B46-AFAE-A1602E37265C@netartgroup.com> References: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> <6EBB07F4-28AF-4B46-AFAE-A1602E37265C@netartgroup.com> Message-ID: <4a206206-46fc-2c4a-a811-4d87c785d7d8@netassist.kiev.ua> ??????! ?????????? ??????. ?? ????????? ????? ??????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????, OpenWRT ?? ??????????????. 28.07.21 18:58, Sergey Myasoedov ????: > ??????! > > Turris - ??? ??? ?? ??????. > ???-?? 300? ? ???????. > > > -- > S. > >> On 28 Jul 2021, at 17:50, Max Tulyev wrote: >> >> ?????? ????! >> >> ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. >> >> ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: >> - ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) >> - WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? >> - ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) >> - USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????) >> - ???????? RAM >> - ????????? CPU >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > From sm at netartgroup.com Wed Jul 28 22:44:18 2021 From: sm at netartgroup.com (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 21:44:18 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= In-Reply-To: <4a206206-46fc-2c4a-a811-4d87c785d7d8@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> <6EBB07F4-28AF-4B46-AFAE-A1602E37265C@netartgroup.com> <4a206206-46fc-2c4a-a811-4d87c785d7d8@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <0455C6F0-C32D-402E-B171-46AB329F5D78@netartgroup.com> ?) ??? ???? openwrt, ?????????? turrisOS ?) ???? ?????? opensource - ?.?. ???? ? ???? ??? ?????? ?) ???? ? ????? openwrt ? ??????? ???? ??????? ?) ????? ??? ??????????? ? ???? ??? ?????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????????? sfp/ethernet, ?? ? ??? ??????? ??????? ? ?????? SFP ? ???? ??? ??????? ? ?????????????????? ??????? ???? ???? ????????. ???? ???? ????????? - ???? ????????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ? ???????. VAT-free, ???????. https://www.alza.cz/search.htm?exps=turris -- S. > On 28 Jul 2021, at 18:57, Max Tulyev wrote: > > ??????! > > ?????????? ??????. ?? ????????? ????? ??????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????, OpenWRT ?? ??????????????. > > 28.07.21 18:58, Sergey Myasoedov ????: >> ??????! >> Turris - ??? ??? ?? ??????. >> ???-?? 300? ? ???????. >> -- >> S. >>> On 28 Jul 2021, at 17:50, Max Tulyev wrote: >>> >>> ?????? ????! >>> >>> ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. >>> >>> ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: >>> - ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) >>> - WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? >>> - ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) >>> - USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????) >>> - ???????? RAM >>> - ????????? CPU >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Wed Jul 28 23:50:17 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 23:50:17 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= In-Reply-To: <0455C6F0-C32D-402E-B171-46AB329F5D78@netartgroup.com> References: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> <6EBB07F4-28AF-4B46-AFAE-A1602E37265C@netartgroup.com> <4a206206-46fc-2c4a-a811-4d87c785d7d8@netassist.kiev.ua> <0455C6F0-C32D-402E-B171-46AB329F5D78@netartgroup.com> Message-ID: "????" - ??? ?? ??, ??? ????? ?? ??. ??? ?? ????? ?????? ??????????, ??? ??????? - ??? ????? ?????? =) https://openwrt.org/toh/turris/turris_omnia ????????????? ??????? ??? Unsupported Functions SFP-copper PHY switching, RGB LED, secondary CPU uplink to switch ? ??? eth1 switch configuration is currently not supported in OpenWrt, only port 5 is the uplink to the switch. SFP is also not supported yet. See Forum post for progress. ??? ??? ???????? ??????? - ?? ???? ??? :( P.S. SFP ??? ???? ?????? ????????, ???? ????? ???????? ????? ;) ????? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ?? ????. 28.07.21 22:44, Sergey Myasoedov ????: > > ?) ??? ???? openwrt, ?????????? turrisOS > ?) ???? ?????? opensource - ?.?. ???? ? ???? ??? ?????? > ?) ???? ? ????? openwrt ? ??????? ???? ??????? > ?) ????? ??? ??????????? ? ???? ??? ?????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????????? sfp/ethernet, ?? ? ??? ??????? ??????? ? ?????? SFP ? ???? ??? ??????? > > ? ?????????????????? ??????? ???? ???? ????????. > > ???? ???? ????????? - ???? ????????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ? ???????. VAT-free, ???????. > https://www.alza.cz/search.htm?exps=turris > > -- > S. > >> On 28 Jul 2021, at 18:57, Max Tulyev wrote: >> >> ??????! >> >> ?????????? ??????. ?? ????????? ????? ??????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????, OpenWRT ?? ??????????????. >> >> 28.07.21 18:58, Sergey Myasoedov ????: >>> ??????! >>> Turris - ??? ??? ?? ??????. >>> ???-?? 300? ? ???????. >>> -- >>> S. >>>> On 28 Jul 2021, at 17:50, Max Tulyev wrote: >>>> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>> ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. >>>> >>>> ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: >>>> - ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) >>>> - WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? >>>> - ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) >>>> - USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????) >>>> - ???????? RAM >>>> - ????????? CPU >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > From sm at netartgroup.com Thu Jul 29 00:04:24 2021 From: sm at netartgroup.com (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 23:04:24 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= In-Reply-To: References: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> <6EBB07F4-28AF-4B46-AFAE-A1602E37265C@netartgroup.com> <4a206206-46fc-2c4a-a811-4d87c785d7d8@netassist.kiev.ua> <0455C6F0-C32D-402E-B171-46AB329F5D78@netartgroup.com> Message-ID: <389D0412-D7D4-43C6-9BC5-CB6F6B407D20@netartgroup.com> ??-??-??, ???? ? CZ.NIC - ???-???? ????. ?? ?????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?????, ?? ??? SFP ? ???? ???????? ??? ??? ????????. ????? ????, ?? ????? owrt ?????????? ?????? ?????? ???????. ? ??? ??????? ???????? https://forum.turris.cz/t/openwrt-21-02-rc1-is-in-hbd-branch/15284 -- S. > On 28 Jul 2021, at 22:50, Max Tulyev wrote: > > "????" - ??? ?? ??, ??? ????? ?? ??. ??? ?? ????? ?????? ??????????, ??? ??????? - ??? ????? ?????? =) > > https://openwrt.org/toh/turris/turris_omnia > ????????????? ??????? ??? Unsupported Functions > SFP-copper PHY switching, RGB LED, secondary CPU uplink to switch > ? ??? eth1 switch configuration is currently not supported in OpenWrt, only port 5 is the uplink to the switch. SFP is also not supported yet. See Forum post for progress. > > ??? ??? ???????? ??????? - ?? ???? ??? :( > > P.S. SFP ??? ???? ?????? ????????, ???? ????? ???????? ????? ;) > ????? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ?? ????. > > 28.07.21 22:44, Sergey Myasoedov ????: >> ?) ??? ???? openwrt, ?????????? turrisOS >> ?) ???? ?????? opensource - ?.?. ???? ? ???? ??? ?????? >> ?) ???? ? ????? openwrt ? ??????? ???? ??????? >> ?) ????? ??? ??????????? ? ???? ??? ?????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????????? sfp/ethernet, ?? ? ??? ??????? ??????? ? ?????? SFP ? ???? ??? ??????? >> ? ?????????????????? ??????? ???? ???? ????????. >> ???? ???? ????????? - ???? ????????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ? ????????? ? ???????. VAT-free, ???????. >> https://www.alza.cz/search.htm?exps=turris >> -- >> S. >>> On 28 Jul 2021, at 18:57, Max Tulyev wrote: >>> >>> ??????! >>> >>> ?????????? ??????. ?? ????????? ????? ??????, ??????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????, OpenWRT ?? ??????????????. >>> >>> 28.07.21 18:58, Sergey Myasoedov ????: >>>> ??????! >>>> Turris - ??? ??? ?? ??????. >>>> ???-?? 300? ? ???????. >>>> -- >>>> S. >>>>> On 28 Jul 2021, at 17:50, Max Tulyev wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>> >>>>> ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. >>>>> >>>>> ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: >>>>> - ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) >>>>> - WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? >>>>> - ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) >>>>> - USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????) >>>>> - ???????? RAM >>>>> - ????????? CPU >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> uanog mailing list >>>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From doka at funlab.cc Thu Jul 29 00:17:31 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 00:17:31 +0300 Subject: [uanog] MTU issue? Message-ID: <8979bee3-9a6b-9ea1-cce8-2c3dea955715@funlab.cc> ??????, ? ?????????, ????? ?????? ???????. ? ??????, ??????????? ?? ?????????? ?? ????????? pppoe: > /interface print terse [ ... ] ?3? R? name=Inet type=pppoe-out mtu=1480*actual-mtu=1480* link-downs=0 > /interface pppoe-client print Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid, R - running 0 R name="Inet" max-mtu=1480 max-mru=auto mrru=disabled interface=ether1 user="xxx" password="xxx" profile=PPPoE keepalive-timeout=60 service-name="" ac-name="" add-default-route=yes default-route-distance=1 dial-on-demand=no use-peer-dns=no allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2 ? ?????????? ??????? ??????? adjust-mss: > /ppp profile print terse [ ... ] ?2 name=PPPoE bridge-learning=default use-mpls=no use-compression=no use-encryption=default only-one=default *change-tcp-mss=yes* use-upnp=default address-list="" interface-list=WAN on-up="" on-down="" ???????? ?????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ? ????????? ?????? - DNS ??????, ????? ??????, ??? Web-???????? ????????????? ?? ????? ???????? (??? ?????????????)... ??? Windows10, ? ????????? ??????????? MTU ?? 1300 (netsh interface ipv4 set subinterface ?Ethernet? mtu=1300), ??? ?? ?? ????????? (? ????????, ? ?? ???? ??, ???? ?? adjust-mss is in action on the Mikrotik). ????? ? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????? (? ??? ???????, ?? ?????? ??? ?????? size ??????? ?? payload, ? ????????? ?????? ?????? ? ???????????): > ping 1.1.1.1 size=1481 do-not-fragment SEQ HOST SIZE TTL TIME STATUS 0 packet too large and cannot be fragmented 0 10.10.35.48 576 64 0ms fragmentation needed and DF set 1 packet too large and cannot be fragmented 1 10.10.35.48 576 64 0ms fragmentation needed and DF set 2 packet too large and cannot be fragmented 2 10.10.35.48 576 64 0ms fragmentation needed and DF set sent=3 received=0 packet-loss=100% ??? ? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? - ???? timeout? ???? ??????????, ????? ??? ??????????????? ? ?????????: > ping 1.1.1.1 size=1481 SEQ HOST SIZE TTL TIME STATUS 0 1.1.1.1 timeout 1 1.1.1.1 timeout 2 1.1.1.1 timeout sent=3 received=0 packet-loss=100% ????? ?????? size<=1480 ????????? ??? ???????, ????????? ? 1481 - ??? timeout. ? ????? ????, ???? ??????? ?????? ? (?) ??????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? (?) ? ???????? ? ????????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? ????? ??????????? ???? ?? ??? ???????? - RouterOS 6.48.3 (the latest stable). ?????! -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Thu Jul 29 00:24:36 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 00:24:36 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= In-Reply-To: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: ???????? ??? ??? - https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/mikrotik/start - ?? ?????????? "ac" ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ???????? On 28.07.2021 18:50, Max Tulyev wrote: > ?????? ????! > > ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? > ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. > > ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: > ?- ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) > ?- WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? > ?- ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) > ?- USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? > ????????) > ?- ???????? RAM > ?- ????????? CPU > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Thu Jul 29 00:42:47 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 00:42:47 +0300 Subject: [uanog] MTU issue? In-Reply-To: <8979bee3-9a6b-9ea1-cce8-2c3dea955715@funlab.cc> References: <8979bee3-9a6b-9ea1-cce8-2c3dea955715@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ???, ?????????? - ????????? ?? ?????, ping timeout ??????????? ?? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ??????????. ????????, ???? ??? ??????. On 29.07.2021 00:17, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ??????, > > ? ?????????, ????? ?????? ???????. > > ? ??????, ??????????? ?? ?????????? ?? ????????? pppoe: > > > /interface print terse > [ ... ] > ?3? R? name=Inet type=pppoe-out mtu=1480*actual-mtu=1480* link-downs=0 > > > /interface pppoe-client print > Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid, R - running > 0 R name="Inet" max-mtu=1480 max-mru=auto mrru=disabled interface=ether1 user="xxx" password="xxx" profile=PPPoE keepalive-timeout=60 service-name="" ac-name="" add-default-route=yes default-route-distance=1 dial-on-demand=no use-peer-dns=no allow=pap,chap,mschap1,mschap2 > > ? ?????????? ??????? ??????? adjust-mss: > > > /ppp profile print terse [ ... ] ?2 name=PPPoE > bridge-learning=default use-mpls=no use-compression=no > use-encryption=default only-one=default *change-tcp-mss=yes* > use-upnp=default address-list="" interface-list=WAN on-up="" on-down="" > > ???????? ?????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ? ????????? ?????? - DNS ??????, > ????? ??????, ??? Web-???????? ????????????? ?? ????? ???????? (??? > ?????????????)... ??? Windows10, ? ????????? ??????????? MTU ?? 1300 > (netsh interface ipv4 set subinterface ?Ethernet? mtu=1300), ??? ?? ?? > ????????? (? ????????, ? ?? ???? ??, ???? ?? adjust-mss is in action > on the Mikrotik). > > ????? ? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????? (? ??? > ???????, ?? ?????? ??? ?????? size ??????? ?? payload, ? ????????? > ?????? ?????? ? ???????????): > > > ping 1.1.1.1 size=1481 do-not-fragment SEQ HOST SIZE TTL TIME STATUS > 0 packet too large and cannot be fragmented 0 10.10.35.48 576 64 0ms > fragmentation needed and DF set 1 packet too large and cannot be > fragmented 1 10.10.35.48 576 64 0ms fragmentation needed and DF set 2 > packet too large and cannot be fragmented 2 10.10.35.48 576 64 0ms > fragmentation needed and DF set sent=3 received=0 packet-loss=100% > > ??? ? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? - ???? timeout? ???? ??????????, > ????? ??? ??????????????? ? ?????????: > > > ping 1.1.1.1 size=1481 SEQ HOST SIZE TTL TIME STATUS 0 1.1.1.1 > timeout 1 1.1.1.1 timeout 2 1.1.1.1 timeout sent=3 received=0 > packet-loss=100% > > ????? ?????? size<=1480 ????????? ??? ???????, ????????? ? 1481 - ??? > timeout. > > ? ????? ????, ???? ??????? ?????? ? (?) ??????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? > (?) ? ???????? ? ????????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? > ????? ??????????? > > ???? ?? ??? ???????? - RouterOS 6.48.3 (the latest stable). > > ?????! > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu Jul 29 09:15:49 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 09:15:49 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JTQvtC80LDRiNC90LjQuSBXaUZpINGA0L7Rg9GC0LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0YAg0YEgT3BlbldSVA==?= In-Reply-To: References: <7b0d910a-ec36-eef7-9bd3-7d807dd4c2db@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1627539028.505375000.um4w36v0@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?????? ????????, ???????? ? ??? ????? - ??????. ? ??????? ?????? Hap-ac2 (???? ??? OpenWRT ?? ???????????????) ?? Asus AC86U - ?? ?????? ??????? (?? 100 ????), ?? ? best in class ????? ? 1G ????????????? ????????/?????????. 29 ????? 2021, 00:24:47, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ???????? ??? ??? - https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/mikrotik/start - ?? ?????????? "ac" ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ???????? On 28.07.2021 18:50, Max Tulyev wrote: ?????? ????! ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????? ??????????? =( ?????? ??? ? ????, ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????. ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?????? ? ?????: ?- ?????? ????????? OpenWRT (???????????!) ?- WiFi 2.4GHz/5GHz - ??? ?????????, ? ??????? ????????? ????? ?- ?????????? ????? (?????????? ????) ?- USB ?????????? (??? ?? root ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????) ?- ???????? RAM ?- ????????? 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