From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Tue May 4 15:17:44 2021 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 15:17:44 +0300 Subject: [uanog] ENOG18 Message-ID: <289289D5-E1FD-418A-ACD6-ACAC095BA2DF@academ.kiev.ua> Hi all! ???? ???????? ????????? ??????????, ?? 7-8 ?????? 2021 ???? ??????????? 18-? ENOG meeting. ?????? ???? online, ???? ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????, ?? ????????? ????????? ????????? ????????????? community ??? ???????????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???????????. ???????, ???? ??? ???? ?????, ????? ??? ????????? ? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?? ?? ???????? ?????????. ? ???? ????????, ?? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?? ???????????, ? ???????? ? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????'?????? ?? ????. ?????????? ???????????? ?? ??????? https://www.enog.org/enog-18/register/ ???? ???? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???????????, ? ?????????? ??????? ? ????????? ???????? ??? ????????????? ????????. ?? ??????? ??? ????????? ??????? ??? https://www.enog.org/enog-18/cfp/ ? ??? ?? ? ????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ?? ???????????. ?????? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????. -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From maksym at tulyuk.com Sat May 15 22:10:31 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 21:10:31 +0200 Subject: [uanog] dual homing =?utf-8?Q?=D0=B4=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B0_=D1=81_=D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=B6=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=BC_?=WiFi References: Message-ID: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> ???????! ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! ???????, ?????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpodgorny at gmail.com Sun May 16 01:40:21 2021 From: vpodgorny at gmail.com (Volodymyr O. 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IMHO ????? ??????????, "ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=X distance=Y check-gateway=ping") ???? netwatch. 15.05.2021 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > ???????! > > ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? > ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? > ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? > WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > > ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? > ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? > ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? > ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? > ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > > ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? > ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ > ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? 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URL: From basil at vpm.net.ua Sun May 16 07:41:00 2021 From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 07:41:00 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> Message-ID: ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : > ???????! > > ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? > ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? > ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) > ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > > ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? > ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? > ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? > ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi > ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > > ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? > ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ > ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? > ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? > > ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! > > ???????, > ?????? > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Sun May 16 10:28:10 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 10:28:10 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> 5GHz SD-WAN Sent from my iPhone > On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > ? > ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. > > ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >> ???????! >> >> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >> >> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >> >> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >> >> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >> >> ???????, >> ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oles at uar.net Sun May 16 12:07:41 2021 From: oles at uar.net (Oles Girniak) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 12:07:41 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :-) 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? ????????. On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > 5GHz > SD-WAN > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK wrote: >> >> ? >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? >> ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? >> ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk > >: >> >> ???????! >> >> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: >> ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? >> ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) >> ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing >> ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >> >> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi >> ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? >> ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? >> ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? >> ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? >> ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >> >> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? >> ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? >> _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? >> ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? >> ??????????? ?? ???????? >> >> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >> >> ???????, >> ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com Sun May 16 12:27:19 2021 From: alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com (Oleksandr Moskalenko) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 11:27:19 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> Message-ID: ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: > ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? > ?????????? :-) > 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? > ????????. > On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > 5GHz > SD-WAN > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK > wrote: > > ? > ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? > ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? > ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? > ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. > > ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : > >> ???????! >> >> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? >> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) >> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >> >> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? >> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? >> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi >> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >> >> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >> >> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >> >> ???????, >> ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Sun May 16 14:41:42 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 14:41:42 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F78176E-BA80-4C50-92D9-003989BF33F8@funlab.cc> CPE ??? ???????? SD-WAN ?? ? ??? - ??????? ??????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?? ???????? ? ???????????. Sent from my iPhone > On 16 May 2021, at 12:27, Oleksandr Moskalenko wrote: > > ? > ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. > > ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. > >> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :-) >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? ????????. >> >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>> 5GHz >>> SD-WAN >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >>>> >>>> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >>>>> ???????! >>>>> >>>>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>>>> >>>>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>>>> >>>>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>>>> >>>>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>>>> >>>>> ???????, >>>>> ?????? >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> uanog mailing list >>>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> uanog mailing list >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Sun May 16 14:43:33 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 13:43:33 +0200 Subject: [uanog] dual homing =?utf-8?Q?=D0=B4=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B0_=D1=81_=D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=B6=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=BC_?=WiFi In-Reply-To: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <217725de-873a-4d15-80e4-0cec3c72e607@Spark> ???? ??????????? ?? ?????/????? ???????, ?????? On 16 May 2021, 09:28 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: > 5GHz > SD-WAN > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > > > ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. > > > > > ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : > > > > ???????! > > > > > > > > ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > > > > > > > > ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > > > > > > > > ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? > > > > > > > > ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! > > > > > > > > ???????, > > > > ?????? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Sun May 16 14:56:31 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 13:56:31 +0200 Subject: [uanog] dual homing =?utf-8?Q?=D0=B4=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B0_=D1=81_=D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=B6=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=BC_?=WiFi In-Reply-To: <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> Message-ID: <865fa1d1-c5e0-4eb0-b549-b0752d6b54ec@Spark> ??! Solution ??? ?????? ???????? ???????: ??????? ????????????? ????? ?? 50? ????????, ??? ? ????????????? ? ??????, ???????? ? ?????????? ??????, ??? ? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???????, ? ? ?????????? ???? ???????? ???, ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ???????. ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?? External Ethernet Card RJ45-USB ??/??? ??????. ??? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????????, ???? ????? ???? ????????. ?????? On 16 May 2021, 11:07 +0200, Oles Girniak , wrote: > ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :-) > 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? ????????. > On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > 5GHz > > SD-WAN > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK wrote: > > > > > > ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. > > > > > > > ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : > > > > > ???????! > > > > > > > > > > ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > > > > > > > > > > ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > > > > > > > > > > ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? > > > > > > > > > > ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! > > > > > > > > > > ???????, > > > > > ?????? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > uanog mailing list > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > > > uanog mailing list > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Sun May 16 15:07:55 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 14:07:55 +0200 Subject: [uanog] dual homing =?utf-8?Q?=D0=B4=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B0_=D1=81_=D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=B6=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=BC_?=WiFi In-Reply-To: <29afe116-0e44-4f50-135a-d8fd191b5f71@gmail.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <29afe116-0e44-4f50-135a-d8fd191b5f71@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41c40b8b-66eb-4c44-8d11-779d1238e39a@Spark> ?????? ? 2020 5? ??? ??????, ?? ?????? 5? ?????? 36-48 ? 100-112 ?????? ????? ??? ? 2.4?, ??????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???? ?? ???????, ??? ? ??? 2.4: ????????? ?? ?????, ??????? ????? ????????? ?????? ? ??????????? ? ???? CPE ? ????????? ??????? ????????. ?????, ????? ????????????? WiFi extension ? ??? ???????????. ??????? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? 1) proactive ? 2) ???????? ?????? On 16 May 2021, 00:40 +0200, Volodymyr O. Pidgornyi , wrote: > ???????????. > ? 2,4 ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? (? ???? ????? ?????? ? ??? ??????? ??? ???-????? ????????? ????? SSID-??, ??? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ? ?????????). ?????? ????????? ???????? ????????? ?? 5 ???. ???? ??????? ????? - +10 ?????? ? ???? ??????? - ?????? ????? ?????????. > ??? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? - ??. ???????, ? ?????????? ?????? - failover (????? IMHO ????? ??????????, "ip route add dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=X distance=Y check-gateway=ping") ???? netwatch. > 15.05.2021 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk ????: > > ???????! > > > > ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > > > > ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > > > > ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? > > > > ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! > > > > ???????, > > ?????? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at euro.net.ua Mon May 17 09:09:28 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 09:09:28 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> Message-ID: <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. ?????? ???????????? ?????????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????. ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >> ?????????? :-) >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >> ????????. >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> 5GHz >> SD-WAN >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK >> wrote: >> >> ? >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >> >>> ???????! >>> >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>> >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>> >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>> >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>> >>> ???????, >>> ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From doka at funlab.cc Mon May 17 09:48:08 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 09:48:08 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <217725de-873a-4d15-80e4-0cec3c72e607@Spark> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <217725de-873a-4d15-80e4-0cec3c72e607@Spark> Message-ID: ??????, ? ? ???????????? ????????? ??? ???? SD-WAN ?? ?????????, ?????? ?????? ??????????? ???????????? ?? ????. ?????????? SD-WAN ?? ???? - ????? ???????? ?? ????????? ???????????. ???????? ???? - ???????????? ???????? / ??????? ???????????? ????? ????????. ???? ? ???????????? CPE ??? ????????? WiFi, ?? ???????? ???????? - ? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??????????, ???? ?? 600 ??????? ????? ?????? 802.11ac dual-band. ?????????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ???????? - ??? ????? "????????" ???????, ?????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????????? ? ????? ? ?????. ??? ???? ????????? - ??? ??????, ? ???????? "???? ???????" - ??? ?????-?? ????? ???????? ???????. ?????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ?? ???????? - ? ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ? ????????, ??? ?????? ????? ????? ???????. ???? ??????? - ?? ???? ?????? ??????, ? ????????. On 16.05.2021 14:43, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ???? ??????????? ?? ?????/????? > > ???????, > ?????? > On 16 May 2021, 09:28 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka , wrote: >> 5GHz >> SD-WAN >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >>> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? >>> ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? >>> ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >>> >>> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk >> >: >>> >>> ???????! >>> >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: >>> ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? >>> ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: >>> 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual >>> homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>> >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi >>> ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? >>> ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? >>> ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? >>> ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? >>> ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>> >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? >>> ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? >>> _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? >>> ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? >>> ??????????? ?? ???????? >>> >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>> >>> ???????, >>> ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 09:48:17 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 09:48:17 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <1621233912.91321000.dpegfqxn@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ????????? ???????, ?? ?????? ??? ? ???, ??? ?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????? (?????????? ?????? + ?????????), ?????????? ?? ????? 18650, ??????????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? wifi ?? ??????. ? ?????? ???? 27001:2015 ? ??? ???? ?? ??????. 17 ?????? 2021, 09:09:40, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. ?????? ???????????? ?????????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????. ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >> ?????????? :-) >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >> ????????. >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> 5GHz >> SD-WAN >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK >> wrote: >> >> >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >> >>> ???????! >>> >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>> >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>> >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>> >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>> >>> ???????, >>> ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Mon May 17 09:53:05 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 09:53:05 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1621233912.91321000.dpegfqxn@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> <1621233912.91321000.dpegfqxn@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <2346acc3-15cb-f46e-f5cc-4fbccdc5338a@funlab.cc> ? ?????? - ????????, ?? ???????? - ? ????? ???? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????? ? 5GHz ????????? - ??? ????, ??? ? ?????? ????????????? ? ?? - ?? ??? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ? ??????? ??? RJ45 :-) ???? ?? ???????? ? ???????????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ??? ??? ????-?? ????? ??????? ????????? wifi ;-) On 17.05.2021 09:48, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ????????? ???????, > > ?? ?????? ??? ? ???, ??? ?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????? > (?????????? ?????? + ?????????), ?????????? ?? ????? 18650, > ??????????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? wifi ?? > ??????. > > ? ?????? ???? 27001:2015 ? ??? ???? ?? ??????. > > /17 ?????? 2021, 09:09:40, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" >:/ > > ?????? ! > > Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenkoalexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: > OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. > > ?????? ???????????? ?????????. > ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? > ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, > ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? > ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. > ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) > > ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) > ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? > ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? > ????????. > > ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet > > > OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) > OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? > OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, > OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. > OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. > > OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak > wrote: > > >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? > >> ?????????? :-) > >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? > >> ????????. > >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> > >> 5GHz > >> SD-WAN > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK > > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? > >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? > >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? > >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. > >> > >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk >: > >> > >>> ???????! > >>> > >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? > >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? > >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) > >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > >>> > >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? > >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? > >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? > >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi > >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > >>> > >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? > >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ > >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? > >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? > >>> > >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! > >>> > >>> ???????, > >>> ?????? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> uanog mailing list > >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps ://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > -- > Best regards, > Alexander V Sorokahttp://www.svr.ua/ > AS106-RIPE > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 09:57:05 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 09:57:05 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <2346acc3-15cb-f46e-f5cc-4fbccdc5338a@funlab.cc> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> <1621233912.91321000.dpegfqxn@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <2346acc3-15cb-f46e-f5cc-4fbccdc5338a@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <1621234443.240151000.fx21yxkj@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ???? ?? ?? ???????????, ??? 27001:2015 ?????????? ? ????? ? ??? 95-? ????????? ??? - ????????. ?? ? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ??? ????????? ? ?????? ???? ??????, ?????? ?? ?? ????????? ????????, ?.?. ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ??????????????? ??????? ? ????????, ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????, ??? ???????? ? ???? ??????????. PS: ? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ??? ????, ? ????????????? ?? ??@???? - ??? ?? ??????? 17 ?????? 2021, 09:53:07, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ? ?????? - ????????, ?? ???????? - ? ????? ???? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????? ? 5GHz ????????? - ??? ????, ??? ? ?????? ????????????? ? ?? - ?? ??? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ? ??????? ??? RJ45 :-) ???? ?? ???????? ? ???????????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ??? ??? ????-?? ????? ??????? ????????? wifi ;-) On 17.05.2021 09:48, Vladimir Sharun wrote: ????????? ???????, ?? ?????? ??? ? ???, ??? ?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????? (?????????? ?????? + ?????????), ?????????? ?? ????? 18650, ??????????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? wifi ?? ??????. ? ?????? ???? 27001:2015 ? ??? ???? ?? ??????. 17 ?????? 2021, 09:09:40, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" : ?????? ! Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. ?????? ???????????? ?????????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????. ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >> ?????????? :-) >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >> ????????. >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> 5GHz >> SD-WAN >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK >> wrote: >> >> >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >> >>> ???????! >>> >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>> >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>> >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>> >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>> >>> ???????, >>> ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 17.05.2021 09:57, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????, > > ???? ?? ?? ???????????, ??? 27001:2015 ?????????? ? ????? ? ??? 95-? > ????????? ??? - > ????????. > > ?? ? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ??? > ????????? ? ?????? ???? ??????, ?????? ?? ?? ????????? ????????, ?.?. > ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ??????????????? ??????? ? ????????, ??? > ???? ??????????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????, ??? ???????? ? > ???? ??????????. > > PS: ? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ??? ????, ? ????????????? ?? > ??@???? - ??? ?? ??????? > > /17 ?????? 2021, 09:53:07, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" >:/ > > ? ?????? - ????????, > ?? ???????? - ? ????? ???? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????? ? 5GHz > ????????? - ??? ????, ??? ? ?????? ????????????? > ? ?? - ?? ??? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ? ??????? ??? > RJ45 :-) > ???? ?? ???????? ? ???????????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ??? ??? > ????-?? ????? ??????? ????????? wifi ;-) > On 17.05.2021 09:48, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ????????? ???????, >> >> ?? ?????? ??? ? ???, ??? ?????????? ???????? ? ????? ??????? >> (?????????? ?????? + ?????????), ?????????? ?? ????? 18650, >> ??????????? ?? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? wifi >> ?? ??????. >> >> ? ?????? ???? 27001:2015 ? ??? ???? ?? ??????. >> >> /17 ?????? 2021, 09:09:40, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" >> >:/ >> >> ?????? ! >> >> Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenkoalexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: >> OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. >> >> ?????? ???????????? ?????????. >> ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? >> ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, >> ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? >> ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. >> ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) >> >> ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) >> ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? >> ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? >> ????????. >> >> ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet >> >> >> OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) >> OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? >> OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, >> OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. >> OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. >> >> OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak > wrote: >> >> >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >> >> ?????????? :-) >> >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >> >> ????????. >> >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> >> >> 5GHz >> >> SD-WAN >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK > >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >> >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >> >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? >> >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> >> >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk >: >> >> >> >>> ???????! >> >>> >> >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >> >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? >> >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) >> >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >> >>> >> >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >> >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? >> >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? >> >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi >> >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >> >>> >> >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >> >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >> >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >> >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >> >>> >> >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >> >>> >> >>> ???????, >> >>> ?????? >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> uanog mailing list >> >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> uanog mailing list >> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps ://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> uanog mailing list >> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Alexander V Sorokahttp://www.svr.ua/ >> AS106-RIPE >> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abb at abbon.net Mon May 17 11:09:22 2021 From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 11:09:22 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <65021b3b-1266-b353-6f9a-cbbf9f97fbf7@abbon.net> ??????. ?? ???? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ?? ??????? ????????? ???????? ??????????. ? WiFi ???????? ???????? . ???? ???????, ?? ???? ???????????? ?????: ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??????????. ???????????? ?????, ?????? ????????, ????? ????????? ????????, ?????? ??????????, ??????????? ??? ??????? ??????? ????????????. ????????? ????????: ???????? 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"?????? ? ????? ?? 100????, ? ? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? 30?". ? 30???? - ??? ??? ??????. ?????? 5???? ? ???? 1. ???? ?? ???????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ?? ??? ? ? ???????? ?????????????? ???????? ?????. ???? ???????????? WiFi ??? ????? ????????? ?????? ????????, ???????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ??????????????, ?? ???? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ???????? ????????. ???? ???????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????????? W?Fi ????? ? ??? ?? ?????????? ??????????: ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????????, ?? ??????? ?? ???????, ? WiFi - ??? ???? ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ?????. ??????, ?? ???????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ??????????????? ??????? ???? ???? ?????????? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??? ???????? ????????? ?? 100????. ???, ???????, ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ???? ? ??????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????, ??? ????. ?????? ????????? ????? ?????? ?????????. WiFi6 ?????? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ???????? ??????????? ???? ???, ?????? ??? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ????. ?? ? ??? ???? ????????? ???????. ??? ??????? ??????. ??????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????. 17.05.2021 9:09, Alexander V Soroka ?????: > ?????? ! > > Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: > OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. > > ?????? ???????????? ?????????. > ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? > ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, > ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? > ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. > ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) > > ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) > ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? > ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? > ????????. > > ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet > > > OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) > OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? > OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, > OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. > OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. > > OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: > >>> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >>> ?????????? :-) >>> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >>> ????????. >>> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>> >>> 5GHz >>> SD-WAN >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >>> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >>> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? >>> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >>> >>> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >>> >>>> ???????! >>>> >>>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >>>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? >>>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) >>>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>>> >>>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >>>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? >>>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? >>>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi >>>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>>> >>>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >>>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >>>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >>>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>>> >>>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>>> >>>> ???????, >>>> ?????? -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net From doka at funlab.cc Mon May 17 11:15:19 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 11:15:19 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <65021b3b-1266-b353-6f9a-cbbf9f97fbf7@abbon.net> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> <65021b3b-1266-b353-6f9a-cbbf9f97fbf7@abbon.net> Message-ID: <1dc45e8e-f899-6f59-3bd8-ea2defc1c3b7@funlab.cc> ? ??? ??? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ?????? - ??? ??? ???? ?????? ???: ?????????? ????????, ?????? ????????, ? ?? ???? ?? ???????. ??? ? ??????? - ??? ? 2.4 ???????????? ?????? ????? 30 ?????, ??? ???? ? 5 - ?? ?????. ????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ?? ??, ??? ?? ???? ??????? ????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ???????????. ?????? ??? ??????????? - ???? ????? ? ????? ?? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????? - ?? ????????, ? ??????, ? ?????, ???????. On 17.05.2021 11:09, Alexandr Baryshnyev wrote: > ??????. > > ??? ???? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ?? ??????? > ????????? ???????? ??????????. > > ?? WiFi ???????? ???????? . ???? ???????, ?? ???? ???????????? ?????: > ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??? > ??????????. ???????????? ?????, ?????? ????????, ????? ????????? > ????????, ?????? ??????????, ??????????? ??? ??????? ??????? > ????????????. ????????? ????????: ???????? "? ????????". ??? > ?????????? ????????, ?? ??????: "??? ??????? ??? ?????" ????? ?????? > ???????? ? ??????? ???????, ?????? ?????? ?? ????????????????? > ???????? ???? ?? ???. ??? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ? > ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????. > > ? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ???? ???? > ?????? ?????? ?? ??????, ?? ?????????, ???? ?? ? ???????????? > ??????????? 5???. ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ??? ???????? ???? ?? > ????????, ???? ? "????????? ???????????" ? ??????? 5??? ??????, ??? ? > 2.4??? . ??????? ? ?????????? 5??? ???? ????????? ???, ??????? ?? > 450???. ?? ???? ?????, ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ? > ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????????. > > ? ?? ? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????? ? > ??????, ?? ? ???????? ???????????????? ???? ?????????? ????? ? ?????? > ? ????????. "?????? ? ????? ?? 100????, ? ? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? > ?????????? ?????? 30?". ? 30???? - > ??? ??? ??????. ?????? 5???? ? ???? 1. ???? ?? ???????? ?????? ????? > ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ?? ??? ? ? ???????? > ?????????????? ???????? ?????. ???? ???????????? WiFi ??? ????? > ????????? ?????? ????????, ???????? ??????????? ?????????? ? > ????????????? ??????????????, ?? ???? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ?????? > ???????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ???????? ????????. ???? ???????????? > ?????????? ????????? ??? ????????? W?Fi ????? ? ??? ?? ?????????? > ??????????: ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????????, ?? ??????? ?? ???????, ? > WiFi - ??? ???? ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ?????. > > ??????, ?? ???????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ??????????????? > ??????? ???? ???? ?????????? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??? ???????? > ????????? ?? 100????. ???, ???????, ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? > ? ??? ???? ? ??????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????, ??? ????. > > ?????? ????????? ????? ?????? ?????????. WiFi6 ?????? ?????????? ? > ????????? ? ???????? ??????????? ???? ???, ?????? ??? ??????? > ?????????, ?? ??????? ????. ?? ? ??? ???? ????????? ???????. ??? > ??????? ??????. ??????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????. > > 17.05.2021 9:09, Alexander V Soroka ?????: >> ?????? ! >> >> Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko >> alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: >> OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. >> >> ?????? ???????????? ?????????. >> ??????? ???????? ????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? >> ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, >> ?? ??? ?????? ???? ethernet? ???????? ????????? ?? ???????????? ?????? >> ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. >> ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) >> >> ?? ????? ????? ????????? ???????? ????? ???? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) >> ??????,? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? >> ????? ??????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? >> ????????. >> >> ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet >> >> >> OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? >> 2.4GHz) >> OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. >> WiFi 5 (??? >> OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? >> ????? WiFi 6, >> OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? >> ????????????. >> OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. >> >> OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: >> >>>> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >>>> ?????????? :-) >>>> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >>>> ????????. >>>> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>>> >>>> 5GHz >>>> SD-WAN >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >>>> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >>>> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? >>>> ???????, ? >>>> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >>>> >>>> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >>>> >>>>> ???????! >>>>> >>>>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >>>>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? >>>>> ????. ? ????? >>>>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? >>>>> WiFi ? 2) >>>>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>>>> >>>>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >>>>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? >>>>> ????? >>>>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? >>>>> ??????? - ??? >>>>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? >>>>> WiFi >>>>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>>>> >>>>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >>>>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? >>>>> _????????_ >>>>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? >>>>> ?????? >>>>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>>>> >>>>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>>>> >>>>> ???????, >>>>> ?????? > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com Mon May 17 11:45:39 2021 From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 11:45:39 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ???? ?????????. ? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ????????? ???? IT- (? ?.?. network) infrastructure ? ????????????? ? ???????? Google'a, ?????????? - ??????? WiFi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ? ?????. ???? ethernet. WiFi -???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????? ????????????? ??? ethernet. ??, 17 ????. 2021 ? 09:09 Alexander V Soroka ????: > ?????? ! > > Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko > alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: > OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. > > ?????? ???????????? ?????????. > ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? > ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, > ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? > ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. > ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) > > ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) > ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? > ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? > ????????. > > ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet > > > OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? > 2.4GHz) > OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 > (??? > OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? > WiFi 6, > OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? > ????????????. > OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. > > OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: > > >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? > >> ?????????? :-) > >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? > >> ????????. > >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> > >> 5GHz > >> SD-WAN > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK > >> wrote: > >> > >> ? > >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? > >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? > >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, > ? > >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. > >> > >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : > >> > >>> ???????! > >>> > >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? > >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? > ????? > >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? > 2) > >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > >>> > >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? > >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? > >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? > - ??? > >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi > >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > >>> > >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? > >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ > >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? > >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? > >>> > >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! > >>> > >>> ???????, > >>> ?????? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> uanog mailing list > >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps:// > mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > -- > Best regards, > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ > AS106-RIPE > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(?????? ????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ???? 2.4), ?? ?????? ? ?? 5??? ?????? ???? ???????? ????????????. ???????? ??????? ??? ????? ? 2020-21 ?? ? ?????? ?????? ?????????. ????? ????? ???? ? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ????. ? ???? ????, ???? ?? ????? ?????? 5-6 ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ??-???? ?????????? ??? ???????. ?????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? 100 ??????? ? 1.5 ?? ?????. ??? ??? ????? ????????? ???????? ??????? (?????? ???????? ??????? ? ????). ???? ????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? ? ??????? ???????????. ???? ????? ? ????? ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????... -- WBR, Sergey Obykhvost. Phone/Fax: +380 626 421220 Mobile: +380 50 508 28 32 -----Original Message----- From: uanog [mailto:uanog-bounces+jy=sns.net.ua at uanog.kiev.ua] On Behalf Of Alexandr Baryshnyev Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:09 AM To: List, Uanog Subject: Re: [uanog] dual homing ???? ? ???????? WiFi ??????. ?? ???? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ?? ??????? ????????? ???????? ??????????. ? WiFi ???????? ???????? . ???? ???????, ?? ???? ???????????? ?????: ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??????????. ???????????? ?????, ?????? ????????, ????? ????????? ????????, ?????? ??????????, ??????????? ??? ??????? ??????? ????????????. ????????? ????????: ???????? "? ????????". ??? ?????????? ????????, ?? ??????: "??? ??????? ??? ?????" ????? ?????? ???????? ? ??????? ???????, ?????? ?????? ?? ????????????????? ???????? ???? ?? ???. ??? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????????? ????? ?????? ????????. ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????, ?? ?????????, ???? ?? ? ???????????? ??????????? 5???. ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ??? ???????? ???? ?? ????????, ???? ? "????????? ???????????" ? ??????? 5??? ??????, ??? ? 2.4??? . ??????? ? ?????????? 5??? ???? ????????? ???, ??????? ?? 450???. ?? ???? ?????, ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????????, ??? ??? ????? ? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????? ????? ??????????. ?? ? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????, ?? ? ???????? ???????????????? ???? ?????????? ????? ? ?????? ? ????????. "?????? ? ????? ?? 100????, ? ? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? 30?". ? 30???? - ??? ??? ??????. ?????? 5???? ? ???? 1. ???? ?? ???????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ?? ??? ? ? ???????? ?????????????? ???????? ?????. ???? ???????????? WiFi ??? ????? ????????? ?????? ????????, ???????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ??????????????, ?? ???? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ? ??? ???????? ????????. ???? ???????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ????????? W?Fi ????? ? ??? ?? ?????????? ??????????: ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????????, ?? ??????? ?? ???????, ? WiFi - ??? ???? ?????????? ? ???? ???????? ?????. ??????, ?? ???????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ??????????????? ??????? ???? ???? ?????????? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??? ???????? ????????? ?? 100????. ???, ???????, ??????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ???? ? ??????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????, ??? ????. ?????? ????????? ????? ?????? ?????????. WiFi6 ?????? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ???????? ??????????? ???? ???, ?????? ??? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ????. ?? ? ??? ???? ????????? ???????. ??? ??????? ??????. ??????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ????. 17.05.2021 9:09, Alexander V Soroka ?????: > ?????? ! > > Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: > OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. > > ?????? ???????????? ?????????. > ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? > ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, > ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? > ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. > ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) > > ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) > ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? > ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? > ????????. > > ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet > > > OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? > OM> 2.4GHz) ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? > OM> ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, > OM> ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. > OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. > > OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: > >>> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >>> ?????????? :-) 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? >>> ?????/????? ?? ????? ????????. >>> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >>> >>> 5GHz >>> SD-WAN >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >>> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? >>> ??? ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? >>> ???????, ? ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >>> >>> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >>> >>>> ???????! >>>> >>>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: >>>> ??????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? >>>> ?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) >>>> ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) ????? ???????????? dual homing >>>> ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>>> >>>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >>>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? >>>> ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? >>>> ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? >>>> ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>>> >>>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >>>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? >>>> _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? >>>> ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>>> >>>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>>> >>>> ???????, >>>> ?????? -- Best regards, Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From netch at netch.kiev.ua Mon May 17 16:02:48 2021 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 16:02:48 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <20210517130248.GG633539@netch.kiev.ua> Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:39, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "Re: [uanog] dual homing ???? ? ???????? WiFi": > ? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ????????? ???? IT- (? ?.?. network) > infrastructure ? ????????????? ? ???????? Google'a, ?????????? - ??????? > WiFi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ? ?????. ???? ethernet. > WiFi -???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????? ????????????? ??? ethernet. ???? ? ???????? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ? ????. ? WiFi ????? ????? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ?????? ????? VPN. Wifi ??????????? - WPA2 ???? 3 ??? ?? ????????, WPA3 ?? ?? ?????? ??????, ? ??? ??? ??????? :( ??????? ?????? ?????????... -netch- From doka at funlab.cc Mon May 17 16:29:07 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 16:29:07 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20210517130248.GG633539@netch.kiev.ua> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> <20210517130248.GG633539@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <5eeac45c-44ef-912b-99c1-eebf92d020e2@funlab.cc> ?, ? ??????, ?? ????????? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ???????????? - ? ????????? ??????????, ???? ????? ??????? ??? ???? WPA2 ?????? ? ?????? ? ????? ??? ?????????????? ????????????? ??? ??????????! :) On 17.05.2021 16:02, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:39, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "Re: [uanog] dual homing ???? ? ???????? WiFi": > >> ? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ????????? ???? IT- (? ?.?. network) >> infrastructure ? ????????????? ? ???????? Google'a, ?????????? - ??????? >> WiFi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ? ?????. ???? ethernet. >> WiFi -???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????? ????????????? ??? ethernet. > ???? ? ???????? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ? ????. ? WiFi ????? ????? ???? > ?????? ? ??????? ?????? ????? VPN. > Wifi ??????????? - WPA2 ???? 3 ??? ?? ????????, WPA3 ?? ?? ?????? > ??????, ? ??? ??? ??????? :( ??????? ?????? ?????????... > > > -netch- > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon May 17 16:50:29 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 16:50:29 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> Message-ID: <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 09:10:31PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????. ?????????? ??????????, ?? ?? ????????? ? ?????????????? - ?????? ?????? ????????????. ?? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? "??????? ??? ??? ?? ??????". ??? ???, ??? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?? ??????, ? wifi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ??????, ?????? ??????????? ?? ??????? ????????????????? ? rdp. ?? ????? ????????: 1. no silver bullet. ?????? ?????? ????????????. 2. baseline ?? ?????? ???????, ? ????????, ?????. ??? ?????????? ?????? - ??????, ???? ???? ? ???? ? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? 3. 5g - ?????? ???????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?? ????? 5g - ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???????. 5g ??????????? ? ??????? open-space'?? ? ?????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????, ?? ????????? ???????????????? ? ????????????. ? ???????? ???????? ????? ???? ????????, ???? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ???, ???????????. 4. ? ????? ??????. ??? ????????????? ???????? ??? wifi ????????????? ?? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ????? ????? ????????, ? ? ??????????? - ??????? ????. ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ??????? ?????. ????? ???????? ? ???-?? ????? ? ???? hap ac2 ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ?????. ???? ??? ?????? ? ???? ????????? - ???? ?? ?????, ??????????. 5. ? ??, ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????????. ? ubiquiti ???? ??????????? ????????? ?? ????, ? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????? ????. ??? ??? ????? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ????, ????? ????? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ?????? ????. ????????? ?????????? ? wifi ???? ?????? ??????? ? 802.11b, ? ???? ??? 2.4g ???????? ???????? ? 802.11b. ????? ????? 802.11n ?????? ????????? ???? ???????????? ? 802.11g ;-). ????? ???? ????, ??? ?????-?? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ???-?? ?? ??????? ??? ? ??????? ????? ???????? ? ?????-????, ????? ???? ???? wifi ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ???????. ??? ????? ??????? - ?????? ??????, ????????. > ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? ??, ???????? ???????, ??? ????????? ? ?? ?????. ?? ???? ? ??????????? hap ac ?? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????, ? ?????? ???... 1. ??????????? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ??? ;-)) 2. ?????? 3. ????????? ??????, ??????? ????? - ?????? ? ???? hap ac2. wan'?? - ??????? ?????????, ??????? ? ?????. ???????????? ????????, failover ???????, ?? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????. ? ???????? ???????????? ????? ?????????? ?? ubi edgerouter, ??? ????? ??? ??????-?????? ??????, ????? ??????? ???????? ? policy routing ? ????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????????????. ????, ? ?? ???????? failver ?? ??????? ? ?????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From netch at netch.kiev.ua Mon May 17 16:54:49 2021 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 16:54:49 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <5eeac45c-44ef-912b-99c1-eebf92d020e2@funlab.cc> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> <20210517130248.GG633539@netch.kiev.ua> <5eeac45c-44ef-912b-99c1-eebf92d020e2@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <20210517135449.GH633539@netch.kiev.ua> Mon, May 17, 2021 at 16:29:07, doka wrote about "Re: [uanog] dual homing ???? ? ???????? WiFi": > ??? ???? WPA2 ?????? ? ?????? ? ????? ??? ?????????????? > ????????????? >> In January 2018, the Wi-Fi Alliance announced WPA3 as a replacement >> to WPA2. Certification began in June 2018. ??? ?????? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??? ??????... > ??? ??????????! :) https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-18/dc-18-presentations/Ahmad/DEFCON-18-Ahmad-WPA-Too.pdf (? ?????????) -netch- From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 17:04:28 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:04:28 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. ????????? ? Asus AC66U & AC86U - ??? ???? ? ??????? ? 2.5 ???? ???????? ?????????? ???????????. Keenetic Giga ? ?????? - ???? ??????, ?? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ??? "??????????????????" ? ???? ????? ???????, ??-????? ??????? ? ??????? ???????? - ????, ? ????? - ?? ????. PS: ? ???? 5??? ?????? ???????? ????? 2.4 ? ???????? ????? ??????? ????? (????) ? ? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????. 17 ?????? 2021, 16:50:39, ??? "Igor Grabin" : On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 09:10:31PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????. ?????????? ??????????, ?? ?? ????????? ? ?????????????? - ?????? ?????? ????????????. ?? ???????? ?????? ?????????? ? ?????? ??????? ??????? "??????? ??? ??? ?? ??????". ??? ???, ??? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?? ??????, ? wifi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ????????????, ?? ???? ????? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ??????, ?????? ??????????? ?? ??????? ????????????????? ? rdp. ?? ????? ????????: 1. no silver bullet. ?????? ?????? ????????????. 2. baseline ?? ?????? ???????, ? ????????, ?????. ??? ?????????? ?????? - ??????, ???? ???? ? ???? ? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? 3. 5g - ?????? ???????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????????? ? ????????? ?? ????? 5g - ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???????. 5g ??????????? ? ??????? open-space'?? ? ?????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????, ?? ????????? ???????????????? ? ????????????. ? ???????? ???????? ????? ???? ????????, ???? ?? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ???, ???????????. 4. ? ????? ??????. ??? ????????????? ???????? ??? wifi ????????????? ?? ???, ??? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ?????? ????? ????? ????????, ? ? ??????????? - ??????? ????. ????? ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ??????? ?????. ????? ???????? ? ???-?? ????? ? ???? hap ac2 ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ?????. ???? ??? ?????? ? ???? ????????? - ???? ?? ?????, ??????????. 5. ? ??, ??????? ???????? ? ????????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????????. ? ubiquiti ???? ??????????? ????????? ?? ????, ? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????????, ?? ?????? ????? ????. ??? ??? ????? ????? ???????? - ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ????, ????? ????? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ?????? ????. ????????? ?????????? ? wifi ???? ?????? ??????? ? 802.11b, ? ???? ??? 2.4g ???????? ???????? ? 802.11b. ????? ????? 802.11n ?????? ????????? ???? ???????????? ? 802.11g ;-). ????? ???? ????, ??? ?????-?? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ???-?? ?? ??????? ??? ? ??????? ????? ???????? ? ?????-????, ????? ???? ???? wifi ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ???????. ??? ????? ??????? - ?????? ??????, ????????. > ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? ??, ???????? ???????, ??? ????????? ? ?? ?????. ?? ???? ? ??????????? hap ac ?? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????????, ? ?????? ???... 1. ??????????? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ??? ;-)) 2. ?????? 3. ????????? ??????, ??????? ????? - ?????? ? ???? hap ac2. wan'?? - ??????? ?????????, ??????? ? ?????. ???????????? ????????, failover ???????, ?? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?????????. ? ???????? ???????????? ????? ?????????? ?? ubi edgerouter, ??? ????? ??? ??????-?????? ??????, ????? ??????? ???????? ? policy routing ? ????????? ?????????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????????????. ????, ? ?? ???????? failver ?? ??????? ? ?????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 17:05:56 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:05:56 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <5eeac45c-44ef-912b-99c1-eebf92d020e2@funlab.cc> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> <20210517130248.GG633539@netch.kiev.ua> <5eeac45c-44ef-912b-99c1-eebf92d020e2@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <1621258333.7352000.p7yue5eu@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ?????: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0dGPYScLQ ???? ??? KRACK ? ??? ??????????. https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRACK 17 ?????? 2021, 16:29:17, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ?, ? ??????, ?? ????????? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ???????????? - ? ????????? ??????????, ???? ????? ??????? ??? ???? WPA2 ?????? ? ?????? ? ????? ??? ?????????????? ????????????? ??? ??????????! :) On 17.05.2021 16:02, Valentin Nechayev wrote: Mon, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:39, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "Re: [uanog] dual homing ???? ? ???????? WiFi": ? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ????????? ???? IT- (? ?.?. network) infrastructure ? ????????????? ? ???????? Google'a, ?????????? - ??????? WiFi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ? ?????. ???? ethernet. WiFi -???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????? ????????????? ??? ethernet. ???? ? ???????? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ? ????. ? WiFi ????? ????? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ?????? ????? VPN. Wifi ??????????? - WPA2 ???? 3 ??? ?? ????????, WPA3 ?? ?? ?????? ??????, ? ??? ??? ??????? :( ??????? ?????? ?????????... -netch- _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doka at funlab.cc Mon May 17 17:12:12 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:12:12 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <74cad258-0093-02f5-66ac-cf245d8647b1@funlab.cc> On 17.05.2021 16:50, Igor Grabin wrote: > 3. 5g - ?????? ???????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ???????????? ? > ????????? ?? ????? 5g - ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???????. 5g > ??????????? ? ??????? open-space'?? ? ?????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?? > ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????, ?? ????????? ???????????????? ? > ????????????. ? ???????? ???????? ????? ???? ????????, ???? ?? ?????? > ????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ???, ???????????. ???? ??????????, ??? ?? ????? ????????? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ???????, ??? ? 2.4 ???????????? - 30-?????? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vc at vc.org.ua Mon May 17 17:12:42 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:12:42 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20210517135449.GH633539@netch.kiev.ua> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> <20210517130248.GG633539@netch.kiev.ua> <5eeac45c-44ef-912b-99c1-eebf92d020e2@funlab.cc> <20210517135449.GH633539@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <086C272C-949D-498E-A979-73F7D1A87912@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 16:54, Valentin Nechayev ???????(?): > > Mon, May 17, 2021 at 16:29:07, doka wrote about "Re: [uanog] dual homing ???? ? ???????? WiFi": > >> ??? ???? WPA2 ?????? ? ?????? ? ????? ??? ?????????????? >> ????????????? > >>> In January 2018, the Wi-Fi Alliance announced WPA3 as a replacement >>> to WPA2. Certification began in June 2018. > > ??? ?????? ???????? ? ??? ?? ??? ??????... > >> ??? ??????????! :) > > https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-18/dc-18-presentations/Ahmad/DEFCON-18-Ahmad-WPA-Too.pdf > (? ?????????) ???, ? ????? ? ????? ???????????: WPA2 ?secure, but vulnerable to insider attack! ?.?. ???? ?? ??? ??????, ?? ????? ? ???????.. ?? ???? ?? ??? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ;-) ?? ?????? -- fragattacks -- ?????? (?? ?? ??? ? ?? ??? ?????) ??? ????????? ????? (?? ????, ?? ??????? ??? ????????). ?? ???? ?? fragattacks ??????????: ????????? ?? ??, ??? wifi ????????? -- ?????. > -netch- > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From vc at vc.org.ua Mon May 17 17:26:09 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:26:09 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): > > ??????, > > ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From doka at funlab.cc Mon May 17 17:29:26 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:29:26 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> ? ?? ???? ???? "???????" ???? .11ac :) ? ???? ?? ????? ????????? 5-6 ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ? realtime video - zoom, google meet, webinars, TV - ? ??? ???????? ? 802.11n/5GHz ????? 100Mbps-???????????. ?????????? ???, ?? ???? ??? .11ac :) On 17.05.2021 17:26, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > Hi! > >> 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): >> >> ??????, >> >> ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. > 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. > ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. > -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 17:32:46 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:32:46 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? ???? ?????????? ??????????? 17dbm; ? ???? ?????????? ???? ? hap ac2 output ?? ????????????. ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ???????????? FCC (??? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????, ?????? ??????????). ?? ???????? ??????? ????? 17 ? 24 ?????????????. ???????? ?????? ??????? ??????????????? r^3 (???? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????). ? ??? ????????? ?? ??????. ???, ??? ? ???? ?? AC86U ???? ????? ? ???????? (????? ?? ?????) - ???????? ???? ? ??????????, ???? ? ?????? ????????, ? ? hap ac2 - ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? (????? ???). 17 ?????? 2021, 17:26:12, ??? "Viktor Cheburkin" : Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): > > ??????, > > ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon May 17 17:36:19 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:36:19 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <20210517143619.GV5687@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:32:46PM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ? ??? ????????? ?? ??????. ???, ??? ? ???? ?? AC86U ???? ????? ? ???????? (????? ?? ?????) - ???????? ???? ? ??????????, ???? ? ?????? ????????, ? ? hap ac2 - ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? (????? ???). ? ???? ????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ???????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon May 17 17:37:50 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:37:50 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <20210517143750.GW5687@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:29:26PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ? ?? ???? ???? "???????" ???? .11ac :) > ? ???? ?? ????? ????????? 5-6 ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ? realtime > video - zoom, google meet, webinars, TV - ? ??? ???????? ? 802.11n/5GHz > ????? 100Mbps-???????????. > ?????????? ???, ?? ???? ??? .11ac :) ??????????? ?? ??, ??? ? ????????? ?????????? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? ;-) mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 17:37:53 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:37:53 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <1621262012.392510000.f4z95u8v@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??? ????? ????????? ??-?? congestions, ??? ? ??????????? ????? ?? ???? - ????? ???? ???????. ???????? ????????. ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? - ????????? ???? ? ????? ????? ????????? ? ??? ?????. ? ?? ac - ?? ???. 17 ?????? 2021, 17:29:27, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" : ? ?? ???? ???? "???????" ???? .11ac :) ? ???? ?? ????? ????????? 5-6 ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ? realtime video - zoom, google meet, webinars, TV - ? ??? ???????? ? 802.11n/5GHz ????? 100Mbps-???????????. ?????????? ???, ?? ???? ??? .11ac :) On 17.05.2021 17:26, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: Hi! 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): ??????, ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 17:40:39 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:40:39 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20210517143619.GV5687@death.kiev.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210517143619.GV5687@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <1621262371.505888000.6aufxpzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? ????????, ?? ????????. ??? ????? ????????? ?????????? ???????????. ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? 50$ ?? ?????, ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????, ???. 17 ?????? 2021, 17:36:20, ??? "Igor Grabin" : On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:32:46PM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ? ??? ????????? ?? ??????. ???, ??? ? ???? ?? AC86U ???? ????? ? ???????? (????? ?? ?????) - ???????? ???? ? ??????????, ???? ? ?????? ????????, ? ? hap ac2 - ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? (????? ???). ? ???? ????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ???????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vc at vc.org.ua Mon May 17 17:41:43 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:41:43 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <612F43F3-E01B-4F22-8B8F-BB5DB7D43990@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:29, Volodymyr Litovka ???????(?): > > ? ?? ???? ???? "???????" ???? .11ac :) > > ? ???? ?? ????? ????????? 5-6 ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ? realtime video - zoom, google meet, webinars, TV - ? ??? ???????? ? 802.11n/5GHz ????? 100Mbps-???????????. > > ?????????? ???, ?? ???? ??? .11ac :) > ?? 100????, ? ???????? ????? ??????? -- ??????? ?? ????????. ????? ????? -- ??? ?????? ???????? ???????, ? ?????? ???? ?? ????????. ???? ? zoom/meet ?? ?????????? ????? ?? 2.4 ???? ?????? ???? ?????????? -- ??? ?? ??????????. ? ??? ???? ? ???? NAS ????????? ?????????, ?? ????? ???? ????????, ??? ???-?? ???????????? ???????. ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? NAS ?????? ????. > On 17.05.2021 17:26, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: >> Hi! >> >>> 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): >>> >>> ??????, >>> >>> ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. >> 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. >> ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. >> > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon May 17 17:48:32 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:48:32 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <20210517144832.GX5687@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:26:09PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. > ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. ????? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ???, ??????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????????. ??????? ??? ?????? ????????????, ?? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ????????? ????????????? ??? ? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ????????. (keenetic giga) asus ?? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ??????, ??? ?? ????? ???? ??-?????????, ??????? ???? ????????????? ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????? ?? asus-wrt ;-). ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? - ????????? ?? ?????. ?????, ??????, ???-?? ????? ?????-??????????, ??????????, ????? ??? ???????? ????????? ??? ?????????. ? ? ???????? ????? ????????? ??????, ? ????????? ?????. ?????? ????, ??? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??????, ? ?????? ?? ??????? ???? 802.11ac. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From violent at death.kiev.ua Mon May 17 17:52:33 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:52:33 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <1621262371.505888000.6aufxpzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210517143619.GV5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621262371.505888000.6aufxpzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <20210517145233.GY5687@death.kiev.ua> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:40:39PM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ? ????????, ?? ????????. ??? ????? ????????? ?????????? ???????????. ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? 50$ ?? ?????, ???? ?? ??? ??????? ????, ???. ???????????. ? ???? ?????????????? - ?????? ?? ?????. ????? ???????? ??????? ?????????????? ??? hap ac ? ???? ???????????, ??????? ?????? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ???? ???????. ???? ????? ? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???????. mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From vc at vc.org.ua Mon May 17 17:56:01 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 17:56:01 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:32, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): > > ??????, > > ? ???? ?????????? ??????????? 17dbm; ? ???? ?????????? ???? ? hap ac2 output ?? ????????????. ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ???????????? FCC (??? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????, ?????? ??????????). https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2 ????? ? ?? ?????, ??????? -- ???????, ??? ? 16dbm ???????. > ?? ???????? ??????? ????? 17 ? 24 ?????????????. ???????? ?????? ??????? ??????????????? r^3 (???? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????). ??????? 3dbm = ? 2 ????. ?? ????????, ??? ??????? 50mW ? 250mW, ?.?. ? 5(!) ??? -- ?????????????... ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ?? ?????????? ? ?? ?????????, ?? ??? ???????, ??? ?? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????? 250mW ?? ?????? ? ???? 250mW ?? ???? ?? hap ac2 ?? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?.?. ???, ? ??? ??????????? ??????? -- ??????. > ? ??? ????????? ?? ??????. ???, ??? ? ???? ?? AC86U ???? ????? ? ???????? (????? ?? ?????) - ???????? ???? ? ??????????, ???? ? ?????? ????????, ? ? hap ac2 - ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? (????? ???). ??? ? ??????? ? ???, ??? hap ac2 ? ???? ???? ? ??? ?????? ??? ??????, ? ??? ?? ????, ??????? ????????, ?? ???????????. ? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? -- ????????? ????, ??? ???????? ??? ????. > 17 ?????? 2021, 17:26:12, ??? "Viktor Cheburkin" : > > Hi! > > > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun < > vladimir.sharun at ukr.net > > ???????(?): > > > > ??????, > > > > ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. > > 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. > ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. > > -- > Viktor Cheburkin > VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From vc at vc.org.ua Mon May 17 18:02:52 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 18:02:52 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <20210517143750.GW5687@death.kiev.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> <20210517143750.GW5687@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <12B82480-A8F7-4799-95CF-B543765D4AA7@vc.org.ua> Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:37, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:29:26PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> ? ?? ???? ???? "???????" ???? .11ac :) >> ? ???? ?? ????? ????????? 5-6 ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ? realtime >> video - zoom, google meet, webinars, TV - ? ??? ???????? ? 802.11n/5GHz >> ????? 100Mbps-???????????. >> ?????????? ???, ?? ???? ??? .11ac :) > ??????????? ?? ??, ??? ? ????????? ?????????? ????? ?? ????? ????? > ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? ;-) ? ???-?? ???? ????????? ;-) ??? ????????, ??? ???? ?? 4?4 ? ????? ??????, ?? .11ac ???????? ?? ??????... ?? .11ax ????? ? ?????????. ???? ???? ?????? ????? -- ? ????????????? ??????? ???? ??????? ?????? ;-) > mbr, > -- > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 18:06:11 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 18:06:11 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1621263669.935696000.v38ef73h@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? ????? ??????? ? ??????? ?????? ? ???? ? ?????? ?? :) > ??????? 3dbm = ? 2 ????. ?? ????????, ??? ??????? 50mW ? 250mW, ?.?. ? 5(!) ??? -- ?????????????... ? ???????? ???????????? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? (???? ???????????). ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????????? ?????. ? ???????? ????? ??? ??????, ??? ?????. ?.?. ?????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ? ? ???????? ???????????. ? ??? ?? "???????" ?? ?????? Asus & Netgear. ?????? - ?????, ??????? ? Cisco. ????????? ??? - ???? ?? ??? ????, ?.?. ? ???? AC86u ??? ? ?????. 17 ?????? 2021, 17:56:03, ??? "Viktor Cheburkin" : Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:32, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): > > ??????, > > ? ???? ?????????? ??????????? 17dbm; ? ???? ?????????? ???? ? hap ac2 output ?? ????????????. ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ???????????? FCC (??? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????, ?????? ??????????). https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2 ????? ? ?? ?????, ??????? -- ???????, ??? ? 16dbm ???????. > ?? ???????? ??????? ????? 17 ? 24 ?????????????. ???????? ?????? ??????? ??????????????? r^3 (???? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????). ??????? 3dbm = ? 2 ????. ?? ????????, ??? ??????? 50mW ? 250mW, ?.?. ? 5(!) ??? -- ?????????????... ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ?? ?????????? ? ?? ?????????, ?? ??? ???????, ??? ?? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????? 250mW ?? ?????? ? ???? 250mW ?? ???? ?? hap ac2 ?? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?.?. ???, ? ??? ??????????? ??????? -- ??????. > ? ??? ????????? ?? ??????. ???, ??? ? ???? ?? AC86U ???? ????? ? ???????? (????? ?? ?????) - ???????? ???? ? ??????????, ???? ? ?????? ????????, ? ? hap ac2 - ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? (????? ???). ??? ? ??????? ? ???, ??? hap ac2 ? ???? ???? ? ??? ?????? ??? ??????, ? ??? ?? ????, ??????? ????????, ?? ???????????. ? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? -- ????????? ????, ??? ???????? ??? ????. > 17 ?????? 2021, 17:26:12, ??? "Viktor Cheburkin" : > > Hi! > > > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun < > vladimir.sharun at ukr.net > > ???????(?): > > > > ??????, > > > > ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. > > 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. > ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. > > -- > Viktor Cheburkin > VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bag-uanog at zurbagan.org Mon May 17 18:13:06 2021 From: bag-uanog at zurbagan.org (Andrey Blochintsev) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 18:13:06 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <1621263669.935696000.v38ef73h@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621263669.935696000.v38ef73h@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: Hi! On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 18:06 +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ? ???????? ???????????? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? (???? ???????????). ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????????? ?????. ? ???????? ????? ??? ??????, ??? ?????. ?.?. ?????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ? ? ???????? ???????????. ? ??? ?? "???????" ?? ?????? Asus & Netgear. ?????? - ?????, ??????? ? Cisco. ????????? ??? - ???? ?? ??? ????, ?.?. ? ???? AC86u ??? ? ?????. ????? ?????????? ?? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ? ???????????? ??????, ? ? ???, ????? "?? ????????" ? ?????????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????. From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 17 18:18:21 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 18:18:21 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= Message-ID: <1621264700.497283000.k50kxrly@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ????? "?? ???????" ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????????? ????????? ? ?????????? ? snbforums. ??????? ?? ????????? ????? - ??? ??? ??? ??? ????, ???. ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ?? ?????. 17 ?????? 2021, 18:13:22, ??? "Andrey Blochintsev" : Hi! On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 18:06 +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > > ? ???????? ???????????? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? (???? ???????????). ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????????? ?????. ? ???????? ????? ??? ??????, ??? ?????. ?.?. ?????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ? ? ???????? ???????????. ? ??? ?? "???????" ?? ?????? Asus & Netgear. ?????? - ?????, ??????? ? Cisco. ????????? ??? - ???? ?? ??? ????, ?.?. ? ???? AC86u ??? ? ?????. ????? ?????????? ?? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ? ???????????? ??????, ? ? ???, ????? "?? ????????" ? ?????????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????. _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bag-uanog at zurbagan.org Mon May 17 18:22:47 2021 From: bag-uanog at zurbagan.org (Andrey Blochintsev) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 18:22:47 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <1621264484.481740000.pjkjejpq@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621263669.935696000.v38ef73h@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621264484.481740000.pjkjejpq@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 18:18 +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????? ?? ????????? ????? - ??? ??? ??? ??? ????, ???. ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ?? ?????. ?????? ? ?????????? ???????? ????? ?? ???????. ??? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ;) From vc at vc.org.ua Mon May 17 18:26:51 2021 From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin) Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 18:26:51 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1621263669.935696000.v38ef73h@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <1621261763.949904000.7g5p83kh@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621263669.935696000.v38ef73h@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: Hi! > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 18:06, Vladimir Sharun ???????(?): > > ??????, > > ? ????? ??????? ? ??????? ?????? ? ???? ? ?????? ?? :) ???? ?? "???? ?????" -- ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????, ????? ???? ???-?? ????????. > > ??????? 3dbm = ? 2 ????. ?? ????????, ??? ??????? 50mW ? 250mW, ?.?. ? 5(!) ??? -- ?????????????... > > ? ???????? ???????????? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ?????? ???????? (???? ???????????). ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ?? ? ???????, ??? ???? Asus ?? ?????? ???????????? FCC? ;-) ????? 24 ???? ?? ?? ???????? ;-) ?? ??? ???: ???? ?????? ????? ? ????? ?????, ?? ??? ??????? ????? ? ?? ?????. ? ??? ???? ????????? 24dbm ??? ???-?? ????????, ??-?????. ???? ???-?? ??? ???????????, ??? ? ?????? ???????????... > ?????. ? ???????? ????? ??? ??????, ??? ?????. ?.?. ?????????? ?????????? ? ??????? ? ? ???????? ???????????. ? ??? ?? "???????" ?? ?????? Asus & Netgear. ?????? - ?????, ??????? ? Cisco. ????????? ??? - ???? ?? ??? ????, ?.?. ? ???? AC86u ??? ? ?????. ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ?? ??????????, ? ??????? ?? ????, ????? ? ??????, ? ? ????? ??????????, ??? ?????. ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ??? ? ??? ?? hap ac2, ??? ??. ?? ???? ?????????? -- ????? ?????? ????????, ??? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? ???? ? ?.?., ??? ??? ??????? ??????????? ? ????????? ?????? ? ?.?., ?? ?????? ? ???? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ?? ?????????????? ????? ????? ?????????, ??? ?? ??????? ???? ????? ?? cisco/aruba/ruckus ????? ???? ???????? ?? ???????? ? ?????? ???????, ??? ? ?? ????? ? POE ?????????. ? 3? ????????? ???????? ??? ???????? ??????? 2 ?????, ?? ????????, ??? ?? ?? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???????? ? ?????, ? ????? ? ???. > 17 ?????? 2021, 17:56:03, ??? "Viktor Cheburkin" : > > Hi! > > > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:32, Vladimir Sharun < > vladimir.sharun at ukr.net > > ???????(?): > > > > ??????, > > > > ? ???? ?????????? ??????????? 17dbm; ? ???? ?????????? ???? ? hap ac2 output ?? ????????????. ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ???????????? FCC (??? ????????? ???????? ??????????? ????????, ?????? ??????????). > > > https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2 > > ????? ? ?? ?????, ??????? -- ???????, ??? ? 16dbm ???????. > > > ?? ???????? ??????? ????? 17 ? 24 ?????????????. ???????? ?????? ??????? ??????????????? r^3 (???? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????). > > ??????? 3dbm = ? 2 ????. ?? ????????, ??? ??????? 50mW ? 250mW, ?.?. ? 5(!) ??? -- ?????????????... ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ?? ?????????? ? ?? ?????????, ?? ??? ???????, ??? ?? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????? 250mW ?? ?????? ? ???? 250mW ?? ???? ?? hap ac2 ?? ????????? ?????? ??????? ?.?. ???, ? ??? ??????????? ??????? -- ??????. > > > ? ??? ????????? ?? ??????. ???, ??? ? ???? ?? AC86U ???? ????? ? ???????? (????? ?? ?????) - ???????? ???? ? ??????????, ???? ? ?????? ????????, ? ? hap ac2 - ??? ????? ? ????????? ??? (????? ???). > > ??? ? ??????? ? ???, ??? hap ac2 ? ???? ???? ? ??? ?????? ??? ??????, ? ??? ?? ????, ??????? ????????, ?? ???????????. > ? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? -- ????????? ????, ??? ???????? ??? ????. > > > 17 ?????? 2021, 17:26:12, ??? "Viktor Cheburkin" < > vc at vc.org.ua > >: > > > > Hi! > > > > > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:04, Vladimir Sharun < > > > vladimir.sharun at ukr.net > > > > ???????(?): > > > > > > ??????, > > > > > > ? HAP ac2 ?????????? ?????????? ???????????: ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ? ????????? ???? ??????. ??-????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????. > > > > 26-27dbm, ????? ? ????, ???-?? ????? ? ?????? "?????? ??????" ???????... ? ??? ??????? ??, ?????????, ? ????????? ????, ?.?. ????? ?? ???????? ??????????? -- ?????? hap ac2 ????? ??????, ? ??? ? ??????? ??? ?? ?????. ? ?????? ???????, zyxel keenetik viva, ? ???? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ???????, ? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????. > > ??????, ? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ac wave2 ??? (???? ? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????), ??? ax ? ? ????? ?????... ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????. > > > > -- > > Viktor Cheburkin > > VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC > > -- > Viktor Cheburkin > VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC > > -- Viktor Cheburkin VC319-RIPE, VC1-UANIC From alex at euro.net.ua Tue May 18 09:53:35 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 09:53:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UAnetHistory Message-ID: <662112154.20210518095335@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! UAnetHistory ?????????? ??????, ????? ????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????. ???? ?????????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ?????????: - ??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????; - ???????? ???????? ??????????; - ????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????, ??????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????. https://www.facebook.com/UAnetHistory -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Tue May 18 10:23:02 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 10:23:02 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UAnetHistory In-Reply-To: <662112154.20210518095335@euro.net.ua> References: <662112154.20210518095335@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <7c8a1469-3c33-70a9-367c-838c670e2f56@netassist.kiev.ua> ????? ?? ? ???? ???????... 18.05.21 09:53, Alexander V Soroka ????: > ?????? ! > > UAnetHistory > > ?????????? ??????, ????? ????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ?????????? ???? > ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????. > > ???? ?????????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ?????????: > - ??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????; > - ???????? ???????? ??????????; > - ????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????, ??????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????. > > https://www.facebook.com/UAnetHistory > > > From alex at euro.net.ua Tue May 18 10:40:14 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 10:40:14 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UAnetHistory In-Reply-To: <7c8a1469-3c33-70a9-367c-838c670e2f56@netassist.kiev.ua> References: <662112154.20210518095335@euro.net.ua> <7c8a1469-3c33-70a9-367c-838c670e2f56@netassist.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <165871974.20210518104014@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ?????? :) ? ?????? ????? ???????? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??? 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MT> 18.05.21 09:53, Alexander V Soroka ????: >> ?????? ! >> > UAnetHistory >> > ?????????? ??????, ????? ????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ?????????? ???? >> ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????. >> > ???? ?????????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ?????????: >> - ??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????; >> - ???????? ???????? ??????????; >> - ????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????, ??????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????. >> > https://www.facebook.com/UAnetHistory -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua Tue May 18 10:41:30 2021 From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 10:41:30 +0300 Subject: [uanog] UAnetHistory In-Reply-To: <72828900.20210518103932@euro.net.ua> References: <662112154.20210518095335@euro.net.ua> <7c8a1469-3c33-70a9-367c-838c670e2f56@netassist.kiev.ua> <72828900.20210518103932@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: <620edc97-9fa1-8a9b-1f96-efdc58076624@netassist.kiev.ua> ????? ?????? ?? ????. ? ??? ?????????? ?????? ?????. 18.05.21 10:39, Alexander V Soroka ????: > ?????? ! > > ?????? :) > ? ?????? ????? ???????? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??? (????????? > ???????? ? ??????) ???????, ?????????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????????, > ????????? ?????, ? ?.?. ? ?.?. ??????????. > > ?????????? ????? - ? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ???? :-) > > > Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 10:23:02 AM, Max Tulyev maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua you wrote: > MT> ????? ?? ? ???? ???????... > > MT> 18.05.21 09:53, Alexander V Soroka ????: >>> ?????? ! >>>> UAnetHistory >>>> ?????????? ??????, ????? ????? ? ???? ?? ????????? ?????????? ???? >>> ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????. >>>> ???? ?????????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ?????????: >>> - ??????????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????? ????????; >>> - ???????? ???????? ??????????; >>> - ????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????, ??????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????. >>>> https://www.facebook.com/UAnetHistory > > From stesin at gmail.com Tue May 18 12:34:08 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 12:34:08 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 22:06, Igor Sviridov wrote: > > 2) ?????? 3-5 ??? ? ???????? ???????? ??????? Project Manager, ??????? ???????, ??? ????????? ????????????? ? ???? ????????????? ?????????????? ????? ????????. ? ??????????, ???????????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????. > > ? ?????? ? JIRA ??? ???????: > > ?????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ?????/???? ?? ??????? > > ? ????????? ??? ????????? ? ? on-premise; ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ????????; ?????? ??? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????????. ? ????? ??????, ??? ??????? - ? 21 ??????? ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? on-premise. ?????? ??? ? ???? ? ??????? ??????? ?????????? JIRA+Confluence, ???? ?????????, ?? ??? ?????????? ???????? ???? ?? ? ??????????? ???????????? ?? 10 ?????? ????????? ???????? ??? ???? (?????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????????????, ?????-?? ????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ? ?? ????????? ?????????). > > 3) ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ?????????? ??????? > > ?????????? ?????? = ????????? ???????????? ? ???? * ???-?? ????????????? * ???-?? ????? > > ? ???? ? ???? ?????? Sprint Retrospective c ???????????? ??????? ??? Roadmap Review? ??????????? ? ?????? ????????? ?? ??? ?????????? ???????? ????? ???????, ??? - ??? ??????? ??????(!) ???????, ?? 10- ????????????? ? 3- ?????? ??????-?????, ????????? ????????, ??? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????????. ? ???? ??????? ??????, ??? ????????? - ???? ???? ????? ????????? ???????????, ? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??????? ??????????, ????? ???????????? (?????? ?????? ? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ? ??? ??????????? ?????? ??????). ???? ???? ?????????? - ?? ????????, ??? ????? ?????? ??????, ??????????? ? ??????, ???? ? ??????? ????????, ?? ? ???? ???? ?????? on-premise. - ? ??? ??? ????-?? ????? ?????????????? ? ??????????, ????????????? ????? - ???????????; ?????????? ?????? ????????? ????? ?????????? ????????????? ??????? ??????, ??????? ?? ?????????? ?????, ? ???? ??????????, ?? ????? ?????-?? ???????????? ???????? (SLA ?????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????). ??? ??? ???????? ????, ?? ??? ????????????? ???????? ???? ???????? ?????? ?????-?? ???????? on-premise ???????????? JIRA :( > ????? ????????? ???????, ??? ? ?? ?? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??????? :) ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?????. ? ???????? ???? cloud instance ?? ???? ????????? ?????, ?? ?? ????? ???????? ????? ?????... :( ? ??. ?????? From netch at netch.kiev.ua Tue May 18 12:40:56 2021 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 12:40:56 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyAgSmlyYQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> Message-ID: <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> hi, Tue, May 18, 2021 at 12:34:08, stesin wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????? ??? Jira": > > ? ????????? ??? ????????? ? ? on-premise; ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ????????; ?????? ??? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????????. > > ? ????? ??????, ??? ??????? - ? 21 ??????? ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????? > ????? ???????? ?? on-premise. ?????? ??? ? ???? ? ??????? ??????? > ?????????? JIRA+Confluence, ???? ?????????, ?? ??? ?????????? ???????? > ???? ?? ? ??????????? ???????????? ?? 10 ?????? ????????? ???????? ??? > ???? (?????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????????????, ?????-?? ????? ?? ??? ?? > ????? ? ?? ????????? ?????????). ?????? ???????? (???? ?? ????????? ????????) ??? ???? 2 ?? ??????. ????? ??????????? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???????????... > - ? ??? ??? ????-?? ????? ?????????????? ? ??????????, ????????????? > ????? - ???????????; ?????????? ?????? ????????? ????? ?????????? > ????????????? ??????? ??????, ??????? ?? ?????????? ?????, ? ???? > ??????????, ?? ????? ?????-?? ???????????? ???????? (SLA ?????????? > ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????). https://gunstee.com/wp-content/uploads/There-Is-No-Cloud-Its-Just-Someone-Elses-Computer-Shirt.jpg, ??-??. (???? ???? ????? ??????????) -netch- From stesin at gmail.com Tue May 18 12:58:59 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 12:58:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 12:40, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > ? ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???????????... ?????? ??????? ??????????... ??? ?????????, "????????? ?? ???????????". ???? ??? ITSM ? ???????? ???? ????? ????????????, ??? OTRS. ? ???? ????? ????????? ??????, OTRS Community Edition ?????? ??????? ? ???? ????? ? ????? ? ?????????? ????? ???????, OTRS Gmbh ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????, ? ?????? ???????????? Edition ????? ????? (???? ?? ?? enterprise ??? ?? ???????? ???? ??????). ?? ??, ? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????????, OTRS Community is a viable on-premise option for incident management, problem management & configuration management (????? ?????? ????????? ???? ???? ????????? ? ??? ??????????). ?????? Confluence ??? "?????????? ?????? ? ???????", ?? ?? ???? ? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????????, Wiki is a viable on-premise option. ? ??? ??? ?????? JIRA? From netch at netch.kiev.ua Tue May 18 14:43:52 2021 From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:43:52 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyAgSmlyYQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> hi, Tue, May 18, 2021 at 12:58:59, stesin wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????? ??? Jira": > > ? ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???????????... > > ?????? ??????? ??????????... ??? ?????????, "????????? ?? ???????????". > ?????? Confluence ??? "?????????? ?????? ? ???????", ?? ?? ???? ? > ?????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ???????????, Wiki is a viable > on-premise option. Wiki ??? ??? ????? ???????, ??????? ??????? ?????? ????????. ???? MediaWiki, ??? ? ?????????, ?? ??????, ??, ?? ??? ??????????? ? ??????????? ? ?????? ?? ? ?????. > ? ??? ??? ?????? JIRA? ?????? ?????????? youtrack ??? ?????????????. ?? ???????????? ???????? RT ??? ????????????? (???????, ?? ??? ??? 15 ?????????????? ??????????). -netch- From alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com Tue May 18 16:35:42 2021 From: alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com (Oleksandr Moskalenko) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 15:35:42 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ???? ????????? ??????? ? ? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??????????, ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ??????. ????? ???? ??????????? ??? ? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????????. ? ??????? ???????????? ISO27001 ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ???? Wi-Fi ???????? ??????? ???????????. On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:09 AM Alexander V Soroka wrote: > ?????? ! > > Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko > alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: > OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. > > ?????? ???????????? ?????????. > ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? > ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, > ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? > ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. > ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) > > ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) > ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? > ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? > ????????. > > ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet > > > OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? > 2.4GHz) > OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 > (??? > OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? > WiFi 6, > OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? > ????????????. > OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. > > OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: > > >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? > >> ?????????? :-) > >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? > >> ????????. > >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> > >> 5GHz > >> SD-WAN > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK > >> wrote: > >> > >> ? > >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? > >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? > >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, > ? > >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. > >> > >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : > >> > >>> ???????! > >>> > >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? > >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? > ????? > >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? > 2) > >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) > >>> > >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? > >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? > >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? > - ??? > >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi > >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? > >>> > >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? > >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ > >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? > >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? > >>> > >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! > >>> > >>> ???????, > >>> ?????? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> uanog mailing list > >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps:// > mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > -- > Best regards, > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ > AS106-RIPE > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com Tue May 18 19:22:19 2021 From: alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com (Oleksandr Moskalenko) Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 18:22:19 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: ????? ??????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????? ?? ? ????? Wi-Fi :) On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:46 AM Oleh Hrynchuk wrote: > > ???? ?????????. > > ? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ????????? ???? IT- (? ?.?. network) > infrastructure ? ????????????? ? ???????? Google'a, ?????????? - ??????? > WiFi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ? ?????. ???? ethernet. > WiFi -???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????? ????????????? ??? ethernet. > > > > ??, 17 ????. 2021 ? 09:09 Alexander V Soroka ????: > >> ?????? ! >> >> Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko >> alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: >> OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. >> >> ?????? ???????????? ?????????. >> ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? >> ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, >> ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? >> ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. >> ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) >> >> ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) >> ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? >> ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? >> ????????. >> >> ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet >> >> >> OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? >> 2.4GHz) >> OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi >> 5 (??? >> OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? >> WiFi 6, >> OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? >> ????????????. >> OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. >> >> OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak wrote: >> >> >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >> >> ?????????? :-) >> >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >> >> ????????. >> >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> >> >> 5GHz >> >> SD-WAN >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> ? >> >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >> >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >> >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? >> ???????, ? >> >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> >> >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk : >> >> >> >>> ???????! >> >>> >> >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >> >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? >> ????? >> >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? >> 2) >> >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >> >>> >> >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >> >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? >> ????? >> >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? >> - ??? >> >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? >> WiFi >> >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >> >>> >> >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >> >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >> >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >> >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >> >>> >> >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >> >>> >> >>> ???????, >> >>> ?????? >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> uanog mailing list >> >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> uanog mailing list >> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps:// >> mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> uanog mailing list >> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ >> AS106-RIPE >> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > > > -- > Regards, > /oleh hrynchuk > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Phone/Fax: +380 626 421220 Mobile: +380 50 508 28 32 From: uanog [mailto:uanog-bounces+jy=sns.net.ua at uanog.kiev.ua] On Behalf Of Oleksandr Moskalenko Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 7:22 PM To: Oleh Hrynchuk Cc: List, Uanog Subject: Re: [uanog] dual homing ???? ? ???????? WiFi ????? ??????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ? ????? ?? ? ????? Wi-Fi :) On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:46 AM Oleh Hrynchuk > wrote: ???? ?????????. ? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ????????? ???? IT- (? ?.?. network) infrastructure ? ????????????? ? ???????? Google'a, ?????????? - ??????? WiFi ??? ?????????????? ?????? ? ?????. ???? ethernet. WiFi -???? ??? ?????? ?? ????????. ???????? ????????????? ??? ethernet. ??, 17 ????. 2021 ? 09:09 Alexander V Soroka > ????: ?????? ! Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27:19 PM, Oleksandr Moskalenko alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com you wrote: OM> ? ??????????? ????????? ethernet ???? ????? ??? 10 ?????. ?????? ???????????? ?????????. ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ??-?? ?????????? ??????????, ? ?? ????? ??? ethernet ??????? ???????? ? ???????????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? ????????. ?? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? :-) ? ???? ???? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? (??? ?????? ethernet) ??????, ? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????, ????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ? ??? ????????? ethernet ? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????. ? ?????? ??? ???????????? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ethernet OM> ???? ? ???????????? ????????? ????????? (????? 6 SSID ? ????????? 2.4GHz) OM> ??? 5GHz ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????. WiFi 5 (??? OM> ??????? 802.1ac) ?????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????? ????? WiFi 6, OM> ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????????????. OM> ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????. OM> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:07 AM Oles Girniak > wrote: >> ? remote ??????????, ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ???? ?? >> ?????????? :-) >> 99%, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??????, ? ?? ?????/????? ?? ????? >> ????????. >> On 16.05.2021 10:28, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> 5GHz >> SD-WAN >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 16 May 2021, at 07:41, VASYL MELNYK > >> > wrote: >> >> ? >> ?????????? ?????? ????? ? ?? ??? ???? 50 - ???? ???????????, ??? >> ????????????. ?????? ???????????????? ????? ???????? ?????? - ???? ??? >> ????? ?????????????, ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????????????? ???????, ? >> ??????? ?? 5 ???? ????????? ???????????. >> >> ??, 15 ??? 2021 ?. ? 22:10, Maksym Tulyuk >: >> >>> ???????! >>> >>> ???????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ??????: ??????? >>> ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????. ? ????? >>> ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????: 1) ????????????? ???????? WiFi ? 2) >>> ????? ???????????? dual homing ???? ??? BGP (?.?. ??????) >>> >>> ???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? WiFi ??? >>> ????????? CPE, ??????? ????? ???????? WiFi ????? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ????? >>> ?????, ??? ? ?? ???????? CPE ??????????. ?? ???????????? ???? ??????? - ??? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ?????-?????? ???? ??? ??????????? ??????????? WiFi >>> ???????. ??? ?????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? >>> >>> ? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????: ???? ??????????????? ???? ??? >>> ????????? _???????_ CPE ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ????????? _????????_ >>> ???????, ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? VPN ?????? ????? ??? ?????? >>> ????? ? ???????????? ????? ????. ???? ??????????? ?? ???????? >>> >>> ????? ??????? ? ?????? ??????????????! >>> >>> ???????, >>> ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> uanog mailing list >>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing listuanog at uanog.kiev.uahttps://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog >> >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Regards, /oleh hrynchuk _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stesin at gmail.com Thu May 20 14:10:59 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 14:10:59 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <4C77ABFF-386C-44C1-A83E-025639815B2C@funlab.cc> <41c30d50-7f7e-045c-e926-72eb59a306f0@uar.net> <46389785.20210517090928@euro.net.ua> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 16:36, Oleksandr Moskalenko wrote: > > ???? ????????? ??????? ? ? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??????????, ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ??????. ????? ???? ??????????? ??? ? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????????. ? ??????? ???????????? ISO27001 ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ???? Wi-Fi ???????? ??????? ???????????. ??? ??? ???... ??? ??????, ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?? 100%. Wi-Fi ? ?????? ?? ??????????. ?? ?) ?? ??? ?????? (??? ????????????? ? ?????? ????????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??????), ?) zero trust - ??????????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????????, "?????" ????. ? ?????????????? ????????? ? ??????????, ? IDS ? ??? ????????? ?????? ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????. ??? ???? ?? ? ???????? ???? (???? ? ??? ????). From dk at farm.org Thu May 20 18:46:41 2021 From: dk at farm.org (Dmitry Kohmanyuk) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 18:46:41 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> hi, > On 20 May 2021, at 14:11, Stesin wrote: > > ?On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 16:36, Oleksandr Moskalenko > wrote: >> >> ???? ????????? ??????? ? ? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??????????, ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ??????. ????? ???? ??????????? ??? ? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????????. ? ??????? ???????????? ISO27001 ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ???? Wi-Fi ???????? ??????? ???????????. > > ??? ??? ???... ??? ??????, ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?? 100%. > Wi-Fi ? ?????? ?? ??????????. ?? ?) ?? ??? ?????? (??? ????????????? ? > ?????? ????????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??????), ?) zero trust - > ??????????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????????, "?????" ????. ? ??? ???? ????? ??????? zero trust. ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????, ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??? ? ???? (???????, ?????, ??????? - ??????? ????) ??????????? ????????? ? ???? - ?? ????????? 12 ??????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????. wifi - ?????? ?????????. ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???????????. ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ?? ??? legacy IPv4 ? ???????????? ?????? IPv6 ? NAT64. ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ????? ?????????? (DNS64.). ? ??, ??? DNS v4. > ?????????????? ????????? ? ??????????, ? IDS ? ??? ????????? ?????? > ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????. ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????, ??? ????? ??? shared secret. ??????? ????? 802.11x - ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ethernet ????? ????????. From doka at funlab.cc Thu May 20 18:49:58 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 18:49:58 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> Message-ID: <87eedc43-392f-9da1-78b4-06364f4e004d@funlab.cc> On 20.05.2021 18:46, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote: > ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ?? ??? legacy IPv4 ? ???????????? ?????? IPv6 > ? NAT64 ? ???? ? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ????? "????????? ?? IPv6" -> "????? ??????????" -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com Thu May 20 18:51:33 2021 From: alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com (Oleksandr Moskalenko) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 17:51:33 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> Message-ID: On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:46 PM Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote: > hi, > > > On 20 May 2021, at 14:11, Stesin wrote: > > > > ?On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 16:36, Oleksandr Moskalenko > > wrote: > >> > >> ???? ????????? ??????? ? ? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??????????, ?? > ?????????? ??? ??????? ??????. ????? ???? ??????????? ??? ? ?????? ? > ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?????? > ????????????. ? ??????? ???????????? ISO27001 ?? ?????? ???? ????????? > ?????? ? ???? Wi-Fi ???????? ??????? ???????????. > > > > ??? ??? ???... ??? ??????, ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?? 100%. > > Wi-Fi ? ?????? ?? ??????????. ?? ?) ?? ??? ?????? (??? ????????????? ? > > ?????? ????????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??????), ?) zero trust - > > ??????????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????????, "?????" ????. ? > > ??? ???? ????? ??????? zero trust. ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????, ??????? > ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??? ? ???? (???????, ?????, > ??????? - ??????? ????) ??????????? ????????? > > ??, ??? ??????????? ?????, ?? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???????? > ? ???? - ?? ????????? 12 ??????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????. > > wifi - ?????? ?????????. ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???????????. ??????? > ??? ?? ????????? ?? ??? legacy IPv4 ? ???????????? ?????? IPv6 ? NAT64. > ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ????? ?????????? (DNS64.). ? ??, ??? DNS v4. > > ????? ? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????, ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? IPv6 > > ?????????????? ????????? ? ??????????, ? IDS ? ??? ????????? ?????? > > ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????. > > ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????, ??? ????? ??? shared secret. > ??????? ????? 802.11x - ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ethernet ????? ????????. ??? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????? ???????????? ???????? ?????????? , OTP ???? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org Fri May 21 03:31:55 2021 From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 17:31:55 -0700 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <12B82480-A8F7-4799-95CF-B543765D4AA7@vc.org.ua> References: <37d97ccf-b23f-488e-b907-eef085b8f75e@Spark> <20210517135029.GU5687@death.kiev.ua> <1621260031.789329000.vyvcdr4e@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <842A680F-68C0-4BC5-B3B1-6FA387F3DFF3@vc.org.ua> <163909f3-6cc6-dd1c-8a2f-23f0842e85d3@funlab.cc> <20210517143750.GW5687@death.kiev.ua> <12B82480-A8F7-4799-95CF-B543765D4AA7@vc.org.ua> Message-ID: <20210521003155.GA90037@rabbit.smph.nest.org> hi, On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:02:52PM +0300, Viktor Cheburkin wrote: > > 17 ??? 2021 ?., ? 17:37, Igor Grabin ???????(?): > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 05:29:26PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> ? ?? ???? ???? "???????" ???? .11ac :) > >> ? ???? ?? ????? ????????? 5-6 ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ? realtime > >> video - zoom, google meet, webinars, TV - ? ??? ???????? ? 802.11n/5GHz ????? 100Mbps-???????????. > >> ?????????? ???, ?? ???? ??? .11ac :) > > ??????????? ?? ??, ??? ? ????????? ?????????? ????? ?? ????? ????? > > ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? ;-) > > ? ???-?? ???? ????????? ;-) ??? ????????, ??? ???? ?? 4?4 ? ????? ??????, ?? .11ac ???????? ?? ??????... ?? .11ax ????? ? ?????????. ???? ???? ?????? ????? -- ? ????????????? ??????? ???? ??????? ?????? ;-) ??? ????, ????? ??? ??????? ??? ???????, ????? ????? AP ??? ????????? ????? MultiGig (10G AP's ? ???? ?? ????????); AP ? LAG-?? ?? ???? GigE ?? ????????. ????? Aruba AP-335 (802.11ac Wave 2, uplink 2.5G/1G), ? ??????????? ???????, ?? ????????? ???? ?????????? ???????. > -- > Viktor Cheburkin --igor From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org Fri May 21 03:48:56 2021 From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov) Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 17:48:56 -0700 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcgxM/NwSDTIM7BxMXWztnNIFdpRmk=?= In-Reply-To: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> Message-ID: <20210521004856.GB90037@rabbit.smph.nest.org> hi, On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 06:46:41PM +0300, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote: > > On 20 May 2021, at 14:11, Stesin wrote: > > > > ???On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 16:36, Oleksandr Moskalenko > > wrote: > >> > >> ???? ????????? ??????? ? ? ?????-?? ??????? ???? ??????????, ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ??????. ????? ???? ??????????? ??? ? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ??????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????????. ? ??????? ???????????? ISO27001 ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ???? Wi-Fi ???????? ??????? ???????????. > > > > ??? ??? ???... ??? ??????, ????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ?? 100%. > > Wi-Fi ? ?????? ?? ??????????. ?? ?) ?? ??? ?????? (??? ????????????? ? > > ?????? ????????? ????????? ??????????? ? ??????), ?) zero trust - > > ??????????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????????, "?????" ????. ? ? ????? ??? ????? ??? ? ????, ???? ??????? ????? WPA2 Enterprise + 802.1x ? ????????, ? ??????? ??? ?? 802.1x ???????. ?? ? ??????? ????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ????????? - VPN. > ??? ???? ????? ??????? zero trust. ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????, ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??? ? ???? (???????, ?????, ??????? - ??????? ????) ??????????? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? 802.1x ? ???????????? - ??? ???? ?? ??????? ?? ???????? ????, ???? ?????? ?? ? captive portal. > ? ???? - ?? ????????? 12 ??????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????. > wifi - ?????? ?????????. ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???????????. ??????? ??? ?? ????????? ?? ??? legacy IPv4 ? ???????????? ?????? IPv6 ? NAT64. ?????? ???????? ?????????????? ????? ?????????? (DNS64.). ? ??, ??? DNS v4. > > > ?????????????? ????????? ? ??????????, ? IDS ? ??? ????????? ?????? > > ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????. > > ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????, ??? ????? ??? shared secret. ????? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ???? - Ubiquiti UniFi - WPA2 Enterprise, Radius, ? ??????? ???????????? (??? ? ??????? ??????????) ???? login/password, ? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?? ????. > ??????? ????? 802.11x - ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ethernet ????? ????????. yep, ???? ????????; ?????? ??? ?????????? ????????? ????? Clearpass :-( --igor From stesin at gmail.com Fri May 21 16:49:51 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:49:51 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 18:51, Oleksandr Moskalenko wrote: >> ??? ???? ????? ??????? zero trust. ??????? ????????. ?????? ? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ? ???? ??????? ????????? ????????????, ??? ? wi-fi ?? ??????? ??-?? ????, ?? ??? ?? ?????. (?????????? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????????????? ????? ? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ? ???????, ????????? - ?? ?????????, ??? ????????; ??? ? ?????????? ????????? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ??-??? ???? ?????, ?? ????? ??????). >> ??????? ?????????? ??? ?????, ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??? ? ???? (???????, ?????, ??????? - ??????? ????) ??????????? ????????? ??-?. ?? ???? ?????? ??????(!) ?????? ? ???????, ???... >> ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????, ??? ????? ??? shared secret. ??????? ????? 802.11x - ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ethernet ????? ????????. ?? ???????? ??, ?????... (???? ?? ????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ????????????? ? ????? ? ??????????-?? ??????? ?????). ?????????? ?????, ? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ??, ?? ???????? ???? ??. > ??? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????? ???????????? ???????? ?????????? , OTP ???? ??????? ????? > ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????? ?????? - ??????... ??? ????? ?????-?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ????? ?????, ?????? ??? From alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com Sat May 22 13:02:03 2021 From: alexander.moskalenko at gmail.com (Oleksandr Moskalenko) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 12:02:03 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> Message-ID: On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:50 PM Stesin wrote: > > > ??? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ? ????????? > ???????????? ???????? ?????????? , OTP ???? ??????? ????? > > ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ????????? ??????? ?? > ???????? ?? ??????? > > ?????? - ??????... ??? ????? ?????-?? ?????????????? ??? ??? ????? > ?????, ?????? ??? > ??????????, ?????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stesin at gmail.com Sat May 22 16:00:30 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 16:00:30 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> References: <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: ???????? ???? JIRA & Confluence on-premise. ??????? ???????? ???????? ??? ? ???? 2020 (?? ??? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??????????), ? ???????? ???????????? ?? ??????? 2021 ? ????????? :( ??! ??? ????????, ?? ??????????? "Starter" ???????? (10 users ??? ? ???) ? ????????? ??????????? ?? ?????????. (??? ?????? ??????? ????? ? Atlassian Cloud ???? ??????????? ???, ???? JIRA+Confluence 10 users; Atlassian ????????, ??? ????? ????? will remain free forever). ?? ??????????? ??????????? ????????, ?? ??? ??????????????? ????-???????? ?????? ?????????? (????? ????? ????????? ????????? ???? ? ????). ??????, ??? ????-???????? (???? ? ?????????????) ????? free forever setup ?????? ????? ????? ?? ?????, IMO From stesin at gmail.com Sat May 22 16:21:15 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 16:21:15 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JXRgdGC0Ywg0LDQu9GM0YLQtdGA0L3QsNGC0LjQstCw?= =?utf-8?b?ISDQo9GC0LrQuCEgUmU6INCX0LDQvNC10L3QsCDQtNC70Y8gSmlyYQ==?= In-Reply-To: <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> Message-ID: ????, ???? 2 ???????, ?? ??????????? ?????? ??????: 1. ???????????? - incident management, problem management, configuration management, asset management. ??????????, Change Management ? ????? ??????????. ?????? ??????? ?? "ITSM". 2. ?????????? - requirements management, project management, workforce management, deployment management, bug tracking. ??????????, Change Management ? ????? ??????????. ?????? ??????? ?? "DevSecOps". ??? ITSM, ???? ??????? OTRS Community Edition. ????? ??????? ? ????? ??????????. ?????: OTRS AG "????? ??????? ?????" ? Community Edition ?????? ????? ?????-?? ?????? ?????? ???????; ???????????? ?????????? OTRS ??????? ??????????????, ??? Community. ????: OTRS ???????????? ????? ?????????? ????? IMO, ? Community ????? ??????????. ? ??? DevSecOps, ? ????????(TM) ?????????? ? ??????????? GitHub (?? ? GitLab ??? ?? ? ?? ????). ??? ??? ?? ??? ????! ??? ?????????? - ????? ? ???? ??????? ???????? directory ? ??? ?? ????? (?????? - ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ??????????, ?? ???? ?????? ? ? Confluence ???????? ?? ????? ?? ?????, ????????-?? (???????) ??? ???????, ? ??? ????? ???? ??????) ??????-????? ? ??????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? ? ????? ???????????? ????! ? ???????, change management ?? ???-??? ? ? Git-? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????! ?? ???? IMO Atlassian ??? ???? ???????? ???? ?? ??????, ? ? ?? ????... ????????????? ???????: - ????? JIRA+Confluence; - [!!!] ?????? GitLab ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????; - ??????? change management ????? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????; - ?????????? "????" ? ?????????? ???????????? - ? GitLab; - ?????? ???? DevSecOps - ? GitLab; - ITSM - ? OTRS Community; - change management ? ????? ITSM - ?? ? ???? ?? GitLab ?? API ???????. ? ??? ??? ?????????. ?? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ? ??????? ???????? fancy ????????. Git*** ???? ??? ??????. p.s. ? ??? ?? ????, ??????, ??? ??? ??????? ???????????? ???? ? ???????? - PlantUML - ????? ? ???????? ? ????????. ?? ??? ???? ??????????? ?????? ??????? .puml ????????? ? ????, ??? ??? ?????? ? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??????????. From stesin at gmail.com Sat May 22 16:29:43 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 16:29:43 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JXRgdGC0Ywg0LDQu9GM0YLQtdGA0L3QsNGC0LjQstCw?= =?utf-8?b?ISDQo9GC0LrQuCEgUmU6INCX0LDQvNC10L3QsCDQtNC70Y8gSmlyYQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> Message-ID: ? ??, ?????? ?? GitHub ???? private(!) repo, ? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ?????? pull - ?? ?? ?????? ? push, ??? ???? ?????? ? cloud backup storage ??? ????? *?????????????* ??????? ...? ???? ? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ? ???????????? ???????, ?? ? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ??, ????????... From stesin at gmail.com Sat May 22 17:04:44 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 17:04:44 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: References: <1610987221.947412000.l7yosoiv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <522e003b-9d4b-4ad0-9fbe-505f8f5a4291@Spark> <1611060912.869181000.bvj67wzl@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 16:00, Stesin wrote: > (??? ?????? ??????? ????? ? Atlassian Cloud ???? ??????????? ???, ???? > JIRA+Confluence 10 users; Atlassian ????????, ??? ????? ????? will > remain free forever). UPD. ?????-?? ?????, ?????????. ??? starter in the cloud - ??? ??????? free and will stay free forever, ?? ? ?? ?? ????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?????, ??? support expires 18 June 2021. ??????: ? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???????, ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??????? ????????? ????????? (? ? ???? ? ??? ?? ?????????), ??? ?????? ??? ???????, ???? ?? ?????????? ??, ?? ???????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ??????, ????? ?? on premise ??? ??????????, ? ??? ??? ??? ???... ??? ??? ???????. ?????? on premise ??????????? ?? 10 ?????? - ?? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ?????????? ?? GitLab ? ???????? OTRS Community ??? ? ???? (RT imo ???????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?? 15 ??? ?????? ?? ???????????, ?? ?????? ????? ? ???????). From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org Sat May 22 18:56:20 2021 From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 08:56:20 -0700 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?+sHNxc7BIMTM0SBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: References: <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20210522155619.GA19339@rabbit.smph.nest.org> hi, On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 05:04:44PM +0300, Stesin wrote: > > ??, ?? ???????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ??????, > ????? ?? on premise ??? ??????????, ? ??? ??? ??? ???... ??? ??? > ???????. ?????? on premise ??????????? ?? 10 ?????? - ?? ????? ?????, > ?? ???? ?????????? ?? GitLab ? ???????? OTRS Community ??? ? ???? (RT > imo ???????? ??????? ? ???? ?? ?? 15 ??? ?????? ?? ???????????, ?? ?????? ????? ? ???????). O?????????? OTRS ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ? ??????? (?? ??? Centuran fork ????? ??????????); ? RT 5.x ?????? ?????. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems https://bestpractical.com/request-tracker/ https://bestpractical.com/rtir ? ?????? ??????? ???? ????????; ? ??? ? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (Perl) :) --igor From stesin at gmail.com Sat May 22 23:44:58 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 23:44:58 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <20210522155619.GA19339@rabbit.smph.nest.org> References: <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210522155619.GA19339@rabbit.smph.nest.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 18:56, Igor Sviridov wrote: > O?????????? OTRS ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ? ??????? (?? ??? Centuran fork ????? ??????????); ? RT 5.x ?????? ?????. ????????? ? ?????, OTRS Community - ?????? ???? "????????????" ?? ???????? ???????????? ?? ?????? 6, ? ??????? (??????? ??? ??????, ?? OTRS AG) ??? ??? ???-?? ???? 8? ??????. ?? ???? ????? ?? ???????, ??? 6? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ;) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems > https://bestpractical.com/request-tracker/ > https://bestpractical.com/rtir > > ? ?????? ??????? ???? ????????; ? ??? ? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (Perl) :) ??, ? ??? ???? Perl ?? ??????. ?????????? ????. ?? ????, ??? JIRA (??????????????? ?...???????) ???????? ?? Java, ?????? Java ???-?? ???? ?? ?????. ??? ??????? ? ????????. ????? ? ???? ???????? Java ????????????? ????, ? ???????? Perl ???-?? ? ????. From stesin at gmail.com Mon May 24 12:04:20 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:04:20 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> Message-ID: https://habr.com/ru/company/selectel/blog/556208/ ...???, ? ?????... From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 24 12:15:18 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:15:18 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> Message-ID: <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ???-????: ???????? ?????? ?? Wired ??? ???????? ??? ??? ??????? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????. ???????: ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? WPA2 ? ??????? MITM ??? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? ???????????/dbssec ? ?? ?????????? ??????????. PS: ????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ??????? (Selectel), ???? ??? ReTN'?. 24 ?????? 2021, 12:05:13, ??? "Stesin" : https://habr.com/ru/company/selectel/blog/556208/ ...???, ? ?????... _______________________________________________ uanog mailing list uanog at uanog.kiev.ua https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stesin at gmail.com Mon May 24 14:21:44 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 14:21:44 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 12:15, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ??????? ??????? ????????, ????? ???-????: ???????? ?????? ?? Wired ??? ???????? ??? ??? ??????? ? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????. ?????????, ??. ???? ?????? ?? ???????? PDF ? ?? ?????? ??? ????. > ???????: ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? WPA2 ? ??????? MITM ??? ????????, ??????? ?????? ?? ???????????/dbssec ? ?? ?????????? ??????????. ??? ??????? ;) > PS: ????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ??????? (Selectel), ???? ??? ReTN'?. ?????????, ??? ?? ?????? ?? ? ???? ???????? ;) imo ????? From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Mon May 24 14:26:28 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 14:26:28 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ??????, ?? ????, ?? ?????: ??????? ?? ?????, ????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ????????? ?? ?????????????? ? ??? ???????????? ???????????? ? ?????? ????? ...... ??? ?????????? IT ?????????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?????. 24 ?????? 2021, 14:22:22, ??? "Stesin" : > PS: ????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ??????? (Selectel), ???? ??? ReTN'?. ?????????, ??? ?? ?????? ?? ? ???? ???????? ;) imo ????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stesin at gmail.com Mon May 24 14:33:47 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 14:33:47 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JzQuNCz0YDQsNGG0LjRjyBPVkgg0LIg0L7QsdC70LA=?= =?utf-8?b?0LrQviA6LSk=?= In-Reply-To: <7A3F6C99-27F2-4D12-9DFF-0A1866DC0462@academ.kiev.ua> References: <1415019106.20210311090627@euro.net.ua> <7A3F6C99-27F2-4D12-9DFF-0A1866DC0462@academ.kiev.ua> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 10:31, Taras Heichenko wrote: > ????? ???????? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ??????? ?????, ????????????? ???? ???? ???????, ????? ???? ????? ???????? ??????? ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ?????? ????????, ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????, ???????????????? ?????????? ????????, ???? ? ??? ?? ???????????? ???????? ??????. ??? ??? imo ????? ??????????? ? ??????????? ????????????. ????? ????? ? ???????????, ???? ??? ???????????? ? ????? ???????????? ??????? ??? ?????? "?????????" ?? ???????? ??? ? ???? ?????????????. ?????????? ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? (??????) ??, ???? ???? ????????????, ???? ?? ?? ??????. ?????, ????(?!?!) ??????????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ????, ?????????? ????????????? *? ????????? ?????????* ? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????. ???????, ?????????? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????????? (??????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????-?? ?????? ????, 2 ????????? ???????? ?????, ????? ??????????? ? ??????, ?????? ?? ??? ??? ?????). ?? ? ????????? ???????? ????? ?) ???? ? ?) ? ??? ?? "??????" ??? ???????? ???? ??? ???? ????... > ????????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????, ?? ??????? ????????? ? ?????????????? ? ?? ???? ????????. ...? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ?? (????? ????) "???????" > ??? ?? ?????????? ??????: ??? ??? ????? OVH ???????? ? ?????? ?? IPO. ??? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????, ??? ;) From stesin at gmail.com Mon May 24 14:36:53 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 14:36:53 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 14:26, Vladimir Sharun wrote: > ?? ????, ?? ?????: > > ??????? ?? ?????, ????? ???????? ?????? > ????????? > ??????? ????????? ?? ?????????????? ? ??? > ???????????? ???????????? ? ?????? ????? > ...... > ??? ?????????? IT ?????????????? ?????????? ????? > > ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?????. ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ??????????. From pseudo at avalon.org.ua Tue May 25 14:57:55 2021 From: pseudo at avalon.org.ua (Max Krasilnikov) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 11:57:55 +0000 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <20210525115755.GC1292354@avalon.org.ua> ???? ??????! Mon, May 24, 2021 at 02:36:53PM +0300, stesin wrote: > > ?? ????, ?? ?????: > > > > ??????? ?? ?????, ????? ???????? ?????? > > ????????? > > ??????? ????????? ?? ?????????????? ? ??? > > ???????????? ???????????? ? ?????? ????? > > ...... > > ??? ?????????? IT ?????????????? ?????????? ????? > > > > ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?????. > > ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ??????????. ????? ? ???? ?????? :) From doka at funlab.cc Tue May 25 15:01:29 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 15:01:29 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: On 24.05.2021 14:36, Stesin wrote: > On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 14:26, Vladimir Sharun wrote: >> ?? ????, ?? ?????: >> >> ??????? ?? ?????, ????? ???????? ?????? >> ????????? >> ??????? ????????? ?? ?????????????? ? ??? >> ???????????? ???????????? ? ?????? ????? >> ...... >> ??? ?????????? IT ?????????????? ?????????? ????? >> >> ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ?????. > ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ??????????. ???????? ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ????? ???? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stesin at gmail.com Tue May 25 18:47:35 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 18:47:35 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: ?????? ?????????. On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 15:01, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ??????????. > > ???????? ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ????? ???? :) From doka at funlab.cc Tue May 25 18:50:49 2021 From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 18:50:49 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> Message-ID: <804467ab-a8b8-42e4-76a9-8810c6bf931f@funlab.cc> ??? ??????? ?? ????? ??????. ????????, ?????? ? ???????? hostmaster.ua ???? ???? ??????????, ???? ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ;-) On 25.05.2021 18:47, Stesin wrote: > ?????? ?????????. > > On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 15:01, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > >> ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ??????????. >> >> ???????? ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ????? ???? :) -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Tue May 25 19:48:59 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 18:48:59 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?Q?=D0=95=D1=81=D1=82=D1=8C_=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8C=D1=82=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B8=D0=B2=D0=B0=21_=D0=A3=D1=82=D0=BA=D0=B8=21_?=Re: =?utf-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B0_=D0=B4=D0=BB=D1=8F_?=Jira In-Reply-To: References: <1384966f-ba67-48e1-8d23-6d0e3099621e@Spark> <0f8c947c-6cce-49c8-abc3-196afa6dd96d@Spark> Message-ID: <33567271-aa13-424f-893c-75477834c394@Spark> ??????? ?? ?????! ??? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? :) ?? ???????? ???????? ? Agile Board ??? Scrum Master & Product Owner. ?? ??????? ??????? - ???? ?1 ? ???????? Product Owner ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ????? Daily Standup. ?????? On 22 May 2021, 15:30 +0200, Stesin , wrote: > > ???????: > - ????? JIRA+Confluence; > - [!!!] ?????? GitLab ? ?????? ??? ????? ?????; > - ??????? change management ????? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????; > - ?????????? "????" ? ?????????? ???????????? - ? GitLab; > - ?????? ???? DevSecOps - ? GitLab; > - ITSM - ? OTRS Community; > - change management ? ????? ITSM - ?? ? ???? ?? GitLab ?? API ???????. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Tue May 25 20:43:05 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 19:43:05 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B0_=D0=B4=D0=BB=D1=8F_?=Jira In-Reply-To: References: <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210522155619.GA19339@rabbit.smph.nest.org> Message-ID: <3c358b2b-4f05-4994-9e2d-06ee2bcc9b58@Spark> ? ???? ?????, ??? ????? ????, ?? ??????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????? (????? ???????????? ????, ?????????? ?? Perl+Ksh ;) ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?????: # Find and explain ALL errors in the following code: use strict; use warnings; @args = @argv; # Verify if the script has 2 arguments only die "Check usage" unless ($#args == 2); print $args[0] + $args[1] + "\n"; ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ????? ????? ????????????????! ? ?????? ???????, ??????? 3 ???? ???????? ??????? ?? Java :) ? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? On 22 May 2021, 22:45 +0200, Stesin , wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 18:56, Igor Sviridov wrote: > > > O?????????? OTRS ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ? ??????? (?? ??? Centuran fork ????? ??????????); ? RT 5.x ?????? ?????. > > ????????? ? ?????, OTRS Community - ?????? ???? "????????????" ?? > ???????? ???????????? ?? ?????? 6, ? ??????? (??????? ??? ??????, ?? > OTRS AG) ??? ??? ???-?? ???? 8? ??????. > > ?? ???? ????? ?? ???????, ??? 6? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ;) > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems > > https://bestpractical.com/request-tracker/ > > https://bestpractical.com/rtir > > > > ? ?????? ??????? ???? ????????; ? ??? ? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (Perl) :) > > ??, ? ??? ???? Perl ?? ??????. ?????????? ????. ?? ????, ??? JIRA > (??????????????? ?...???????) ???????? ?? Java, ?????? Java ???-?? > ???? ?? ?????. ??? ??????? ? ????????. > > ????? ? ???? ???????? Java ????????????? ????, ? ???????? Perl ???-?? ? ????. > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maksym at tulyuk.com Tue May 25 21:05:01 2021 From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 20:05:01 +0200 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?Q?=D0=9C=D0=B8=D0=B3=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=86=D0=B8=D1=8F_?=OVH =?utf-8?Q?=D0=B2_=D0=BE=D0=B1=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BA=D0=BE_?=:-) In-Reply-To: References: <1415019106.20210311090627@euro.net.ua> <7A3F6C99-27F2-4D12-9DFF-0A1866DC0462@academ.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <504e2a00-87bb-41f6-8110-0e9b590b2a2b@Spark> IMHO ???????? ?????? ? ????? ?.?. ? ???, ??????? ?????? ????? ????????? ?? ??????????????????. ???????? ??????: ? ??? ????? site redundancy ? ??? ????? ???? ?? active/active setup ? ?????? ??? ???????! ? ??????, ??? ????? ???? ?? active/standby ? ??? ????? ??????! ? ??????, ????? ????? ????????? active/cold standby ? ??? ???? ? Stretched VLAN + Stretched Firewall + Stretched LB + crontab + rsync ? ? ????? switchover time? ? 20 ???: 5 ??? ?? ??????? + 15 ??? ?? ?????? cold standby ?? ? ????? ???????????, ??? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?, ???????, ??????? networking, ??? ?? ????????? 100% ?????????? ???? ?????? On 24 May 2021, 13:34 +0200, Stesin , wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 10:31, Taras Heichenko wrote: > > > ????? ???????? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ??????? ?????, ????????????? ???? ???? ???????, ????? ???? ????? ???????? ??????? ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?? ?????? ????????, ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????, ???????????????? ?????????? ????????, ???? ? ??? ?? ???????????? ???????? ??????. > > ??? ??? imo ????? ??????????? ? ??????????? ????????????. ????? ????? > ? ???????????, ???? ??? ???????????? ? ????? ???????????? ??????? ??? > ?????? "?????????" ?? ???????? ??? ? ???? ?????????????. > > ?????????? ? ??? ?? ?????? ??? (??????) ??, ???? ???? ????????????, > ???? ?? ?? ??????. ?????, ????(?!?!) ??????????? ??? ???? ?? ?? > ??????? ??? ????, ?????????? ????????????? *? ????????? ?????????* ? > ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????. ???????, ?????????? ????? > ????????? ?????? ?????????? (??????? ? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ??? > ??? ????? ??? ?????-?? ?????? ????, 2 ????????? ???????? ?????, ????? > ??????????? ? ??????, ?????? ?? ??? ??? ?????). > > ?? ? ????????? ???????? ????? ?) ???? ? ?) ? ??? ?? "??????" ??? > ???????? ???? ??? ???? ????... > > > ????????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????, ?? ??????? ????????? ? ?????????????? ? ?? ???? ????????. > > ...? ?? ?? ?????, ??? ?? (????? ????) "???????" > > > ??? ?? ?????????? ??????: ??? ??? ????? OVH ???????? ? ?????? ?? IPO. > > ??? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????, ??? ;) > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Tue May 25 22:23:53 2021 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 22:23:53 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <3c358b2b-4f05-4994-9e2d-06ee2bcc9b58@Spark> References: <1611067951.471344000.dmvnvvdv@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <20210119200631.GE1287@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210522155619.GA19339@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <3c358b2b-4f05-4994-9e2d-06ee2bcc9b58@Spark> Message-ID: <8BC8F2F4-C1DC-4EA8-8548-B42048B2A093@academ.kiev.ua> > On 25 May 2021, at 20:43, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > ? ???? ?????, ??? ????? ????, ?? ??????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????? (????? ???????????? ????, ?????????? ?? Perl+Ksh ;) ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?????: > > # Find and explain ALL errors in the following code: > use strict; > use warnings; > > @args = @argv; > > # Verify if the script has 2 arguments only > die "Check usage" unless ($#args == 2); > > print $args[0] + $args[1] + "\n"; ? ?? ?? ????? ????????????? perl'? ???? ?? ???????. ???? ????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?????? ?????. > > > ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ????? ????? ????????????????! > > > ? ?????? ???????, ??????? 3 ???? ???????? ??????? ?? Java :) ? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ?????? > > ?????? > On 22 May 2021, 22:45 +0200, Stesin , wrote: >> On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 18:56, Igor Sviridov wrote: >> >>> O?????????? OTRS ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ? ??????? (?? ??? Centuran fork ????? ??????????); ? RT 5.x ?????? ?????. >> >> ????????? ? ?????, OTRS Community - ?????? ???? "????????????" ?? >> ???????? ???????????? ?? ?????? 6, ? ??????? (??????? ??? ??????, ?? >> OTRS AG) ??? ??? ???-?? ???? 8? ??????. >> >> ?? ???? ????? ?? ???????, ??? 6? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ;) >> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_issue-tracking_systems >>> https://bestpractical.com/request-tracker/ >>> https://bestpractical.com/rtir >>> >>> ? ?????? ??????? ???? ????????; ? ??? ? ??? - ?????????? ????????? (Perl) :) >> >> ??, ? ??? ???? Perl ?? ??????. ?????????? ????. ?? ????, ??? JIRA >> (??????????????? ?...???????) ???????? ?? Java, ?????? Java ???-?? >> ???? ?? ?????. ??? ??????? ? ????????. >> >> ????? ? ???? ???????? Java ????????????? ????, ? ???????? Perl ???-?? ? ????. >> _______________________________________________ >> uanog mailing list >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net Thu May 27 12:45:53 2021 From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 12:45:53 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?q?Service_gateway_=28Juniper_SRX380_=3F=29_=D0=BA?= =?utf-8?b?INC60L7QvNGDINC80L7QttC90L4g0LIg0JrQuNC10LLQtSDQvtCx0YDQsNGC?= =?utf-8?b?0LjRgtGM0YHRjyDQt9CwINC60L7QvdGB0YPQu9GM0YLQsNGG0LjQtdC5L9C/?= =?utf-8?b?0L7QutGD0L/QutC+0Lk=?= Message-ID: <1622108619.294000000.pz12lhri@frv53.fwdcdn.com> ?????? ????, ????. ???? ??????????? ? ?????????, ? ?? ????????????, ????? ?????????????????? ? ??????????? ??????? 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On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 22:24, Taras Heichenko wrote: > > > > > On 25 May 2021, at 20:43, Maksym Tulyuk wrote: > > > > ? ???? ?????, ??? ????? ????, ?? ??????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????? (????? ???????????? ????, ?????????? ?? Perl+Ksh ;) ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ?????, ??? ?? ?????: > > > > # Find and explain ALL errors in the following code: > > use strict; > > use warnings; > > > > @args = @argv; > > > > # Verify if the script has 2 arguments only > > die "Check usage" unless ($#args == 2); > > > > print $args[0] + $args[1] + "\n"; > > ? ?? ?? ????? ????????????? perl'? ???? ?? ???????. ???? ????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?????? ?????. > > > > > > > ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ????? ????? ????????????????! > > > > > > ? ?????? ???????, ??????? 3 ???? ???????? ??????? ?? Java :) ? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ?????? > > > > ?????? > > On 22 May 2021, 22:45 +0200, Stesin , wrote: > >> On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 18:56, Igor Sviridov wrote: > >> > >>> O?????????? 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Perl ???-?? ? ????. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> uanog mailing list > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > _______________________________________________ > > uanog mailing list > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog > > -- > Taras Heichenko > tasic at academ.kiev.ua > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > uanog mailing list > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog From stesin at gmail.com Sun May 30 00:37:52 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 00:37:52 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: <804467ab-a8b8-42e4-76a9-8810c6bf931f@funlab.cc> References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <804467ab-a8b8-42e4-76a9-8810c6bf931f@funlab.cc> Message-ID: ??, 20 ??? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????????. ? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, ???????? - ???????? ??????. 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On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 18:50, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ??? ??????? ?? ????? ??????. ????????, ?????? ? ???????? hostmaster.ua ???? ???? ??????????, ???? ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ;-) > > On 25.05.2021 18:47, Stesin wrote: > > ?????? ?????????. > > On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 15:01, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: > > ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ??????????. > > ???????? ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ????? ???? :) > > -- > Volodymyr Litovka > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison From violent at death.kiev.ua Sun May 30 00:40:23 2021 From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 00:40:23 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?koi8-r?b?+sHNxc7BIMTM0SBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: References: <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210522155619.GA19339@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <3c358b2b-4f05-4994-9e2d-06ee2bcc9b58@Spark> <8BC8F2F4-C1DC-4EA8-8548-B42048B2A093@academ.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20210529214023.GK22711@death.kiev.ua> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 12:33:54AM +0300, Stesin wrote: > ?? ?? ????... ? ?? ????? ????, ? ?????? ?? ????. ????? ?? ????????, > ????? ????????. > ???? 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"there's more than one way to do it" ????? ???????? ???????????. ??? ?? ?????????????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????????: - ? ????????? ?????? ????? ??? - ? ????????? ?????? ????? ??? - ? ????????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ???????? ? ??????? ???? mbr, -- Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin From stesin at gmail.com Sun May 30 00:49:16 2021 From: stesin at gmail.com (Stesin) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 00:49:16 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JfQsNC80LXQvdCwINC00LvRjyBKaXJh?= In-Reply-To: <20210529214023.GK22711@death.kiev.ua> References: <20210518094056.GI633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210518114352.GJ633539@netch.kiev.ua> <20210522155619.GA19339@rabbit.smph.nest.org> <3c358b2b-4f05-4994-9e2d-06ee2bcc9b58@Spark> <8BC8F2F4-C1DC-4EA8-8548-B42048B2A093@academ.kiev.ua> <20210529214023.GK22711@death.kiev.ua> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 00:40, Igor Grabin wrote: > > On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 12:33:54AM +0300, Stesin wrote: > > ?? ?? ????... ? ?? ????? ????, ? ?????? ?? ????. ????? ?? ????????, > > ????? ????????. > > ???? 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From alex at euro.net.ua Sun May 30 00:53:49 2021 From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka) Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 00:53:49 +0300 Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?ZHVhbCBob21pbmcg0LTQvtC80LAg0YEg0L3QsNC00LU=?= =?utf-8?b?0LbQvdGL0LwgV2lGaQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: <33A7C58B-6226-4A28-B72B-E2F464137775@farm.org> <1621847402.335647000.i9slvakm@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <1621855494.315307000.nwqikmn4@frv53.fwdcdn.com> <804467ab-a8b8-42e4-76a9-8810c6bf931f@funlab.cc> Message-ID: <819741031.20210530005349@euro.net.ua> ?????? ! ??????, ?? ?? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ????? ? ???????? :-) ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ? ???? ? ????? "???? ??????? ??????????-?????????? ?????? ??" :) ????? ????????, ??? ??? ???????? ??????? ?????, ??????? ?????????? ??? ????????? ???????, ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ?????, ?? ???????? ?? ????????? ????? ??????? ? ???????, ? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???????, ??????? "????? ???????" ? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? "??????? ????" ?? ????????????? :-) ??? "??????????" ???? ??? ???, ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ???, ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?????, ? "?????? ??? ? ????" _????_???_ ?? ???????????? ??? ??? ?????? :-) ??? ??? ??????????? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ????? "?? ??????". :-) ?????? ???????, ??????. ??. ??? ??? ???? ???? ????????? ? ??????? ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? ??! ? ??? ??? ?? ????????? ...???????? :-)... ??????? ????? ???????????? ??????? ?????, ?? ??????-?? ? Sunday, May 30, 2021, 12:37:52 AM, Stesin stesin at gmail.com you wrote: S> ??, 20 ??? ???????? ???? ?????? ???????????. ? ?????? ??? ?? ?????, S> ???????? - ???????? ??????. S> (????? ?????? - ?????? ?? ??????? ? ??????? - ???????, ??? ?? ????? S> "??????". ? ? ???? ?? ????? ? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????. ?? ??? ??? S> ??? ? ??????????, ??? ???? ??????.) S> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 18:50, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> ??? ??????? ?? ????? ??????. ????????, ?????? ? ???????? hostmaster.ua ???? ???? ??????????, ???? ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ;-) >> >> On 25.05.2021 18:47, Stesin wrote: >> >> ?????? ?????????. >> >> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 15:01, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: >> >> ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ??????????. >> >> ???????? ??? ????? ????????? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ????? ???? :) >> >> -- >> Volodymyr Litovka >> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison S> _______________________________________________ S> uanog mailing list S> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua S> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog -- Best regards, Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/ AS106-RIPE mailto:alex at euro.net.ua