From maksym at tulyuk.com  Mon Nov  1 18:39:35 2021
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:39:35 +0100
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> > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> > > > > --
> > > > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
> > > AS106-RIPE
> > > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
> > >
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> AS106-RIPE
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Mon Nov  1 18:39:46 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 17:39:46 +0100
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"Israel is reopening to many foreign tourists on November 1, for the first time since March of last year? - ?.?. 20 ??????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???????.

??? ????: "All arrivals must undergo tests prior to flying to Israel and upon arrival. And all incoming tourists will need to quarantine until they receive a negative test result? - ?.?. ??? ??????????? ????????? ??? ????, ??? ???????.

? ??? ??? ?????????????? ???? ??? ?????? ? ????? ???????? https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-of-august-16-israelis-can-return-from-only-3-countries-without-quarantining/

As of August 16, Israelis will be able to return from only 10 countries without having to quarantine, with only three of those destinations accepting Israeli tourists
...
The guidelines divided countries into three categories ? yellow countries with low COVID rates, from which all arrivals must only isolate for 24 hours or until receipt of a negative test result; orange countries with higher COVID rates, from which all arrivals will be required to isolate for one week; and red countries to which travel is barred entirely, unless an individual receives special permission from the government?s exemptions committee? The list of red countries will be Bulgaria, Brazil, Georgia, Mexico, Spain and Turkey.

?.?. ??? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? - ??? ??????? ?????? NIS 5,000 ($1,500) https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-panel-approves-fines-for-israelis-trying-to-visit-banned-covid-hotspots/

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> > > On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua
> > > <mailto:violent at death.kiev.ua>>, wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> > > > > 24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:25, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
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> > > > > > > > > > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > > > > > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
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> > > > > > > > > > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > > > > > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
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> > > > > > > > > > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > > > > > > > > > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > > > > > > > > > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > > > > > > > > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > > > > > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
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> > > > > > > > > > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > > > > > > > > > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
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> > > > > > > > > > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
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> > > > > > > > > > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > > uanog mailing list
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> > > > > > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > > > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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On 30 Oct 2021, 11:39 +0200, Andriy Grytsenko <andrej at rep.kiev.ua>, wrote:
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On 22 Oct 2021, 11:58 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 11:29:44AM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
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On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 05:40:00PM +0100, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> On 1 Nov 2021, at 18:39, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:

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>>>>>> mbr,
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> >>>>>> </????>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> mbr,
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
> >>>> AS106-RIPE
> >>>> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> uanog mailing list
> >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> >>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
> >> AS106-RIPE
> >> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> uanog mailing list
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>
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>
>
>
>
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>> >>>>>> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>> >>>>
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>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
>> >>>> AS106-RIPE
>> >>>> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
>> >>>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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> On 1 Nov 2021, at 18:39, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:

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> On 26 Oct 2021, 08:22 +0200, Alexander V Soroka <alex at euro.net.ua>, wrote:
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>>>> Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 10:03:41 PM, Maksym Tulyuk maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote:
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>>>> MT> ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ?
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>>>> MT> On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>>>>>> ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?? ??????.
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>>>>>> </????>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> mbr,
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
>>>> AS106-RIPE
>>>> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
>>>> 
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>
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> > On 1 Nov 2021, at 18:39, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
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> > > MT> On 21 Oct 2021, 11:31 +0200, Alexander V Soroka <alex at euro.net.ua>, wrote:
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> > > > > Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 10:03:41 PM, Maksym Tulyuk maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote:
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> > > > > MT> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
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> > > > > MT> On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > </????>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mbr,
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
> > > > > AS106-RIPE
> > > > > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
> > > AS106-RIPE
> > > mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > uanog mailing list
> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > _______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Tue Nov  2 22:29:12 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 21:29:12 +0100
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On 1 Nov 2021, 18:25 +0100, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 05:40:00PM +0100, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > ??????? ??????????: ????? ?????????????? ?????????????? ???? ??? ??? ??????: 1) ???????? ??????? 2) ??????? ????? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ??????????? 3) ????? ? ????????????????. ??? ?????? ????? ????????????? ??????????? ? ????????? ?? ??????? ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????? 50/50 ????-?? ????????
>
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>
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> On 2 Nov 2021, at 22:29, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ?????,
> 
> ??? ????? ??????????? ???? ????? "?? ? ?? ???? ????????? ?? ????? ??????, ?????? ??? ??????????? ????, ??? ?????????? (?????) ????????, ??? ?? ????? ????????, ? ?????????... ?? ????????? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ??????????????. ?? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ??? ? ???? ???????? - ?????? (? ? ? ??? ?????) ?????? ????? ? ????? 1) ?? ???????? ????? ?????? ? 2) ?? ???????? ? ?????. ? ???? ??? ?????, ?? ??? ?? ????????? ??????? "?? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ??? ? ???? ????????
> 
> ?? ?????? ??, ????? ?? ??????????! ? ???? ????????? ????????????? ?????? - ????? ??????? ?????????????? ???? https://vaccination.covid19.gov.ua ?????
> ????? ?? ??????????
> ?????????? ??? COVID-19 ? ????????????.
> ?? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?????????, ???? ?? ??????? ????? ??????.
> 
> ????????????: https://vaccination.covid19.gov.ua/faq 
> ?? ?????? ???? ??????? ??????????????
> ??. ?????????? ??? COVID-19 ? ????????????.
> 
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> 
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> ?? ????? ??????: ?? ???? ???????????? ?? ???? ???????: ? ?? ??????? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????.

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???? ????????? ??????

> 
> ??????
> On 2 Nov 2021, 10:28 +0100, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Nov 2021, at 18:39, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
>> 
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>>>>>>>>> ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
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>>>>>>>> </????>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> mbr,
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
>>>>>> AS106-RIPE
>>>>>> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
>>>>>> 
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> >>>> Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 10:03:41 PM, Maksym Tulyuk
> maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote:
> >>>> MT> ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ????????
> >>>> MT> ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ?
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> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
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> >>>> MT> On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>,
> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> >>>>>>> ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????,
> ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ?
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> >>>>>> </????>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> mbr,
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
> >>>> AS106-RIPE
> >>>> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> uanog mailing list
> >>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
> >> AS106-RIPE
> >> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
> >>
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>
>
>
> --
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From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 07:16:43 +0200
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On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 09:29:12PM +0100, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ? ???? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????? ? ??? "??????????? ????????, ? ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? "???????????????, ???? ????????". - ??? ??????????? ??????????? ????????????, ??????? ?????? ? ??????? ???? ? ???? ???? ????? ???????? ? ???????????? ??????? (??? ?????????????? ??????????, ??? ????????? ? ???? ?????????).

"???, ??????????, ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ???, ??? ?? ?????,
?????-?? ????? ???????? ?? ????????" - "?? ??? ?? ?????!"

? ???? ???? ???????? ? ???????????? ???????. ????????, ????? ?????-??
??????? ?? ????????, ??? ??? ?????. ?? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ???.

> P.S. ? ??????? ????????????? ????????????? ??? ????? https://health-security.rnbo.gov.ua ???-?? ?? ????? ?? ? ????????????. ? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ????? ????????? ??????

???? ?????? ?????????? ????????????? - ?? ???????? ??? ????, ??????????.
it spoils the mood. 

mbr,
-- 
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 5:22 AM Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>
wrote:

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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
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?????? ? "?????? ??????" ????? ????????? ?? 24-? ???????????, ??? ??? ???????? ??????????/??????? ??? ???? - ??? ?????????????. ??????.
??? ??? ????????? ???? ?? ?????????????? ?????????? ????????:
????? ????? ????? ???-??????, 1998
??? ?? ??????: 14 ??????? ? ???-?????? ??????????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ???????? ?.
?? ?????? ???: ??????? ???????? ??????? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????????? ?? ??????? ??????????? ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ?? ??????, ?? ? ??? ?????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????????? ? ?????????????? ???????????.

????????? ????? ???????, 2012????
??? ?? ??????: ??????? ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????????.
?? ?????? ???: ??? ??????, ?? 1) ???, ??????? ??????????????? ????? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ??????, ??? ???????? ??????? 8 ????????? (X and Y v. the Netherland), 2) ???, ??????????????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ??????????? ??????? ?????????, ?????? ?????????? ?????????, ? ?????????? ? ?? ????? ?? ???????? ????? (Y.F. v. Turkey) 3) ???, ???????????? ?????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????????? ?????, ? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ??????????????, ??????????? ??????? 8 ?????????. ????? ???? ????????? ???? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????????, ?? ?? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????? 8 ?????????, ? ???? ????? ?? ???????? ?????.?


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??? ???????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ??????, ?? ?????? ??? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ???????????? ????????, ? ????? ???????? ???????????? ????, ? ???????????. ????? ? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ????? ???? ? ???? ???????, ???? ???? ????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ? ????? ???? ???????????.


???????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????????:
29-? ?????? ???? ????????? ??? ????? ???, ?.?. ??? ??? ??, ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ?????? ???, ?????? ???? ??????? ????. ??? ?? ????????? ? ???????????????? ????????.

32-? ?????? ??? ?????????????????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ??????:
?? ???????????? ????????, ??????????, ???????????? ?? ????????? ?????????????? ?????????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?????, ???? ????????, ?????????? ???????, ? ???? ? ????????? ???????????? ???????, ???????????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????.

?????? 33. ???????, ??? ?? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ????????? ???????, ???????????? ??????? ???????????, ??????? ????? ????? ??????????, ????? ?????? ???????? ????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????????????? ???????.
?? ??? ? ?????????????? ??????, ????????? ????? ??????????? ??????-?? ????????????. ????????, ??? ??? ??????? ????, ???, ??? ???????, ????? ??? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ??????? ????????????.

?????? 34. ??????? ???????????? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ? ?????, ?? ?????? ????????? ????? ???????? ? ??????????.
?? ?????? ???? ? ??????????. ? ?? ????? ???????? ????? ?? ???????? ????? ?? ????? ???????, ??? ?? ????????? ? ?????? ????.

?????? 60. ????? ?? ?????'?????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ????????????? ?? ??????.
??? ???? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ????? "????????". ?.?. ?????, ??????? ???????? ??????????? ? ??. ??????? ?????, ????? ????????. ??? ???? ???????? ??????. ??? ??????????? - ?????????? ?????? ?? ???????, ???????????? ?????????? ?????????, ???, ???? ? ????? ??????????? ????????? ????? - ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????????.
?????? 64. ????????????? ????? ? ??????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???? ????????, ???? ????????, ???????????? ???????????? ???????.
? ?????? ???????? ??? ????????????? ????? ?????? ??????????????? ?????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ??? ??? ????????. ?? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ? ???????, ??????????? ???????? 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 40, 47, 51, 52, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63 ???? ???????????.
??? ??? 33-?? ??????, ?????. ????? ?? ????????? ???????????? ????? ???? ??????????, ? ??? ????? ? 33-?? ?????? ? ????????. ???? ? ?? ???? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ???????????? ??????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????????, ??????????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????????. ????????? ???? ?? ????????? ???????????? - ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ?? ???? ?? ????????? ?? ????? ???????? ???? ??? ?????????? ???????.

?????? 68. ????? ?????'?????? ????????? ????????????? ??????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???????, ?? ???????? ?? ????? ? ???????, ????? ? ???????? ????? ?????.
???????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
??? ???? ?????? ??????, ??? ??????????? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ????? ? ???????. ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ???????????? ????????????, ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????19.

? ??????? ???????? ?????????????????? ? ?????????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????????, ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??????????? ???????????

?????????? ??? ???, ??? ??????, ??? ?????? - ??? ????????? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ?????, ?? ? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????: ??????????? ???? ????????? ?? ??????, ?????????? ?????? ? ??? ? ???? ??????? ???????, ??? ?????? ????? ? ?????? ???? ??????? ???-?? ??????.
??????? ????????, ????????? 1236, ????, ??? ???????? ????????:
https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/1236-2020-%D0%BF#Text
?????? ?? ?????:
?????????? ?? ?????? 29 ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????????: ....
???????, ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ? ??????:
????? ???????
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???????? ?????????????? ?? ???????????? ????????? ????????? ???????.
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? ??????? ??? ???????????? ????????? ???????????? ?????????, ?? ???????? ?? ?????, ???????????? ???? ????????? ?????????, ?????????????? ????????? ?????????????, ??????????????? ?? ???? ??????, ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ??????????, ?????????????? ????????? ????????? ???? ???????? ? ????????? ???? ?? ????????? ????'????, ?? ???????????? ?? ???, ???????? ?? ??????? ???????????? ????????????, ??????????? ????? ? ??????????? (??????????), ?????????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ???????? (??????????????? ????????). ???????? ?????????????? ?? ??????, ?????????? ??? ?????????? ???????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????. ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ???????????, ???????, ???????????, ????????? ???? ????????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ??????????.
?? ??????? ????????? ???? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????, ??? ????'????? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?? ???? ????????? ?????????.
??????????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????, ?????????? ? ?????? ??????????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ??????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??????????????.

??? ?? ???, ?????? ????? ????????.


3 ????????? 2021, 05:22:48, ??? "Oleh Hrynchuk" <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>:

??????? ?????.

? ??????:

?????? ???????????:
8, 19, 21, 22, 24, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 60, 64, 68

? ??? ?? ????????????????????? "?????????" ?? "?????" ?????? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???????? ? ?????????????? ?? ? ?????? ??????. ?? ????, ????? ???? ? ?? ????????, ? ????? ? ?????? ? ????????????. ? ??????? ? ?????????? ? ????? ???? ?????????????..
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?? ? ??????? ?? ????? ????.
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????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????? "???? ?? 2 ???? "???????????????" ??? ? ?? ??????? ? ????????????? ????????????? ? ??? ??????? ????? ?..???????? : ????? ? ????????????????. ??? ??? ???????????????? ? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??????????????? ????????????????? ?? ??????????? ?????????????????, ? ??????????? "???????? ????????????????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ???????.

?? ??? ???????:
1) ? ?????? 2020 ???? ??? ???? ?legal indemnity" ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????? ??????
"Under the current PREP Act declaration, manufacturers, distributors, and administrators of COVID-19 vaccines (along with other COVID-19 countermeasures) are generally immune from lawsuits based on injuries relating to the use of the vaccines? https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46913
?????????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ????-??????, ?? ? ????????? _???????_ ???????????????? ??? "immune from lawsuits ? relating to the use of the vaccines"
2) ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??? ?? ???? ??????, ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????"
https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/12/uk-government-grants-pfizer-civil-legal-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine/

?????????: ????? ?????? ? ????????????? ???.????????, ??? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ????? (????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????????).

????????? ? ???? ?? ?????????? ????-?????? ?????????? ????, ??? ?? ?? ???:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
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On 2 Nov 2021, 18:46 +0100, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
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> ????,
>
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> ?? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ???????.
>
> ?? ??? ???????:
> 1) ? ?????? 2020 ???? ??? ???? ?legal indemnity" ????????? ?? ???????? ?
> ?????????????? ??????
> "Under the current PREP Act declaration, manufacturers, distributors, and
> administrators of COVID-19 vaccines (along with other COVID-19
> countermeasures) are generally immune from lawsuits based on injuries
> relating to the use of the vaccines?
> https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46913
> ?????????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ????-??????,
> ?? ? ????????? _???????_ ???????????????? ??? "immune from lawsuits ?
> relating to the use of the vaccines"
> 2) ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??? ??
> ???? ??????, ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????"
>
> https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/12/uk-government-grants-pfizer-civil-legal-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine/
>
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> ?? ?? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ????? (????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????????).
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>
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> On 2 Nov 2021, 18:46 +0100, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>,
> wrote:
>
> ??????? ??????.
>
> ? ????-?? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????,
> ?..??? "???????????" ??? ?????? ???????.
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> ???????, ???????????? ???? ????????, "???? ??? ???? ??????"...
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>
> ???? ??????"? ?? ???? ? ???????.
>
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hi,

??? ????? ?????????? ????. ???????:

???? ??????????? ???? ?????? (backstop) ??? ???????????-???????? ?????????, ???? ? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ??? ????????? ????????.
????????????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? (?? ????????? ? ??????? ????????????? pharm-??), ??? ??? ??????? ?? ?????? ? ??? ???????.
?????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????????? ??????????????? ? ?????????? (?????????? ??????????????? ???????????????? ???????? ? ???? ??????????????? ????????? ??????????? ????????????).
??? ??????? ??????, ?? ??????? ???? ? ???, ???????? ??????????????? ??????????? (???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??? ??????????? ????????????).
??? ?????????? ????????, ? ??????? ????????? Covid-19, ???? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?????? ????????????? (????? PREP act determination) ?? ?????? ??????????????? ? ?????????????? ?? 10.2024
??? ????? ??? ?????? ?????????????/?????????????? ?????? ???? ????????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????, ? ?? ?? ???????? ??? ??????.
????? ????????????? ???????? ?????????????/?????????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? PREP-??, ?? ??????????, ?????????????? ? ???? - ??, ? ??????? ?? ??????? strict liability ??? ??????.
? ????????? ??????????? ??????????????? ??????? ????????? ???? - ??? ???-?? ?????? ????????, ?????? ?? ? ?? ???????? ???????.
? ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??? ?????????????? Covid-19 ?????? ? ?????????????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? (?? ????????? ??? ?????? ? CRS).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_liability#Vaccines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fault_insurance
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/legal-review-of-covid-19-vaccine-liability-explanation-of-issues/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_Systems_Bureau#Countermeasures_Injury_Compensation_Program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Readiness_and_Emergency_Preparedness_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11905
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443

? ????? ???, ??? ????? ? ??????????, ?????????? ?????? ??????, ? ????? ???????????????? ??????.
????-???? ??????????? ? ?????? ?? ????. ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????????.

p.s. ????????????? ?????? ?????? ?? Wikiped?? ???? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????-???????, ??? ??? ????? ??? ????????????? ?????????? Google-??.

--igor

On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 05:56:10PM +0100, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> 
> ????,
> 
> ????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????? "???? ?? 2 ???? "???????????????" ??? ? ?? ??????? ? ????????????? ????????????? ? ??? ??????? ????? ?..?????????? : ????? ? ????????????????. ??? ??? ???????????????? ? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ????????????????? ??????????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????????????????, ? ??????????? "???????? ??????????????????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ???????.
> 
> ?? ??? ???????:
> 1) ? ?????? 2020 ???? ??? ???? ???legal indemnity" ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????? ??????
> "Under the current PREP Act declaration, manufacturers, distributors, and administrators of COVID-19 vaccines (along with other COVID-19 countermeasures) are generally immune from lawsuits based on injuries relating to the use of the vaccines??? https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46913
> ?????????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ????-??????, ?? ? ????????? _???????_ ???????????????? ??? "immune from lawsuits ??? relating to the use of the vaccines"
> 2) ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??? ?? ???? ??????, ?? ??????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????"
> https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/12/uk-government-grants-pfizer-civil-legal-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine/
> 
> ?????????: ????? ?????? ? ????????????? ???.????????, ??? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ????? (????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????????).
> 
> ????????? ? ???? ?? ?????????? ????-?????? ?????????? ????, ??? ?? ?? ???:
> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
> ??? ?? ?????, ? ? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????????????? ??????????. ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??????????? ???, ?? ?? ???? ?????????????????.
> 
> ?????????? ?????: ????????? ?????? ????????????? - ?? ????? ?? ???? ???????????????? ( ?, ?? ???, ?? ?? ???????????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????????????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??? - ? ?????????? ??????? - ?????? ?? ????????????, ?? ???? ?????? ????????). ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????????, ?? ?? ????????????????? ?????????? ? ?? ?? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????.
> 
> ???? ???????????: ??????? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ?? ?????! ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???????????? ??????: ??????????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?????/????????????????.
> 
> ??????
> On 2 Nov 2021, 18:46 +0100, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > ??????? ??????.
> >
> > ? ????-?? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????, ?..????"???????????" ??? ?????? ???????.
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> > ??????????!
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> > ?????, ??????, ???????? ? ? ???. ????? ???? - ??? ???? ?? ???????. ?? ??????? ? ??????, ???? ?"???? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ???????", ??? ??????? ???????, ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????, ??, ?????, ? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????, ? ??????? ??????? ????. ?????????? ?? ????????.
> > ????? ???.
> >
> > ???? ??????"? ?? ???? ? ???????.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk

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??????!

???? ????? ????? ???????? ? ???? ????????????????: ?????? - ???????? ???? ? ?????? ??????????? ??????? ????-???????? ? ??? ? ???????? - ????? immunity ????? ? ?????. ?? ???? ??? ???????? ???? ? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ?????????? ??????????, ?.?. ???? ??????? ????? ? ??????????? ???????????????? ? ??? ???? immunity ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ?.?. ???? ??????? ?????????????? 95%? (??? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ????!), ? ? ?????????? ? ????? ?????????????????? ??????? ???? (??????) ?????? ?? ????????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? 9%

"????????????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???????? ?????? ????? ???????? - ? ???? ???????? ????? ? ????? ????????
? ?????? ??? ???? https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-comirnaty-6-october-2021_en.pdf ? ????
Since its marketing authorisation in the European Union (EU) on 21 December 2020 until 30 September 2021, more than 420 million doses of Comirnaty have been administered in the EU/EEA

more than 420 million doses * 20 EUR ?? ???? - ??? ????? ???? ???????? revenue ? ??? ?????? ? EU.

??????
On 5 Nov 2021, 22:24 +0100, Igor Sviridov <sia at uanog.sink.nest.org>, wrote:
> hi,
>
> ??? ????? ?????????? ????. ???????:
>
> ???? ??????????? ???? ?????? (backstop) ??? ???????????-???????? ?????????, ???? ? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ??? ????????? ????????.
> ????????????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????? (?? ????????? ? ??????? ????????????? pharm-??), ??? ??? ??????? ?? ?????? ? ??? ???????.
> ?????? ??????????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????????? ??????????????? ? ?????????? (?????????? ??????????????? ???????????????? ???????? ? ???? ??????????????? ????????? ??????????? ????????????).
> ??? ??????? ??????, ?? ??????? ???? ? ???, ???????? ??????????????? ??????????? (???? ???????????? ???????, ??? ??? ??????????? ????????????).
> ??? ?????????? ????????, ? ??????? ????????? Covid-19, ???? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?????? ????????????? (????? PREP act determination) ?? ?????? ??????????????? ? ?????????????? ?? 10.2024
> ??? ????? ??? ?????? ?????????????/?????????????? ?????? ???? ????????????? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????, ? ?? ?? ???????? ??? ??????.
> ????? ????????????? ???????? ?????????????/?????????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? PREP-??, ?? ??????????, ?????????????? ? ???? - ??, ? ??????? ?? ??????? strict liability ??? ??????.
> ? ????????? ??????????? ??????????????? ??????? ????????? ???? - ??? ???-?? ?????? ????????, ?????? ?? ? ?? ???????? ???????.
> ? ??? ??????????? ??????????? ??? ?????? ??? ?????????????? Covid-19 ?????? ? ?????????????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? (?? ????????? ??? ?????? ? CRS).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_incident
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_liability#Vaccines
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fault_insurance
> https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/legal-review-of-covid-19-vaccine-liability-explanation-of-issues/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_Systems_Bureau#Countermeasures_Injury_Compensation_Program
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Readiness_and_Emergency_Preparedness_Act
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard
> https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11905
> https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443
>
> ? ????? ???, ??? ????? ? ??????????, ?????????? ?????? ??????, ? ????? ???????????????? ??????.
> ????-???? ??????????? ? ?????? ?? ????. ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????????.
>
> p.s. ????????????? ?????? ?????? ?? Wikiped?? ???? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????-???????, ??? ??? ????? ??? ????????????? ?????????? Google-??.
>
> --igor
>
> On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 05:56:10PM +0100, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> >
> > ????,
> >
> > ????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????? "???? ?? 2 ???? "???????????????" ??? ? ?? ??????? ? ????????????? ????????????? ? ??? ??????? ????? ?..?????????? : ????? ? ????????????????. ??? ??? ???????????????? ? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ????????????????? ??????????????????? ?? ????????????? ???????????????????, ? ??????????? "???????? ??????????????????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ???????.
> >
> > ?? ??? ???????:
> > 1) ? ?????? 2020 ???? ??? ???? ???legal indemnity" ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????? ??????
> > "Under the current PREP Act declaration, manufacturers, distributors, and administrators of COVID-19 vaccines (along with other COVID-19 countermeasures) are generally immune from lawsuits based on injuries relating to the use of the vaccines??? https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46913
> > ?????????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ????-??????, ?? ? ????????? _???????_ ???????????????? ??? "immune from lawsuits ??? relating to the use of the vaccines"
> > 2) ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??? ?? ???? ??????, ?? ??????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????"
> > https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/12/uk-government-grants-pfizer-civil-legal-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine/
> >
> > ?????????: ????? ?????? ? ????????????? ???.????????, ??? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ????? (????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????????).
> >
> > ????????? ? ???? ?? ?????????? ????-?????? ?????????? ????, ??? ?? ?? ???:
> > https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
> > ??? ?? ?????, ? ? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????????????? ??????????. ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??????????? ???, ?? ?? ???? ?????????????????.
> >
> > ?????????? ?????: ????????? ?????? ????????????? - ?? ????? ?? ???? ???????????????? ( ?, ?? ???, ?? ?? ???????????????????? ?? ??????????????? ????????????????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??? - ? ?????????? ??????? - ?????? ?? ????????????, ?? ???? ?????? ????????). ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????????, ?? ?? ????????????????? ?????????? ? ?? ?? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????.
> >
> > ???? ???????????: ??????? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ?? ?????! ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???????????? ??????: ??????????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?????/????????????????.
> >
> > ??????
> > On 2 Nov 2021, 18:46 +0100, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > ??????? ??????.
> > >
> > > ? ????-?? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????, ?..????"???????????" ??? ?????? ???????.
> > > ?? "?????? ?? ??????????? ??? ?? ??? ? ???? ???????", ? ???? "???????, ???? ?? ????-????, ? ???? ????????!"
> > > ??????????!
> > > ???? ???? ???? "?????? ?? ??????????? ??? ?? ??? ? ???? ???????" - ? ?? ? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. ? ???????? ???? ??? ??, ? ?????? ?? ?????. ??????? ?? ??????, ????? ?? ?? ??? ? ?????..
> > > ???, ?? ??? ??????? ???????? ???????, ???? ?? 2 ???? "???????????????" ??? ? ?? ??????? ? ????????????? ????????????? ? ??? ??????? ????? ?..???????
> > > ????? ??? ? ?? ????????... ? ? ?????? ???????. ? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ???? ? ?? ????????? ?????????. ???? ?..??????"???????????????"???????????? ??????? ? ????? ?????????????? ???????, ???????? ????????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ??????.
> > >
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> > > ???? ? ?????????? ???? ??????, ?? ????????? ????????? ????? ????? ???????????? ???? ??????????? ??????.. ?? ?????? ????-????! ??????, ?????? ???????, ???????????? ???? ????????, "???????? ???????????"...
> > > ?????, ??????, ???????? ? ? ???. ????? ???? - ??? ???? ?? ???????. ?? ??????? ? ??????, ???? ?"???? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ???????", ??? ??????? ???????, ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????, ??, ?????, ? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????, ? ??????? ??????? ????. ?????????? ?? ????????.
> > > ????? ???.
> > >
> > > ???? ??????"? ?? ???? ? ???????.
> > >
> > > --
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> > > /oleh hrynchuk
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From: dk at farm.org (Dmitry Kohmanyuk)
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On 2021-11-01, at 18:40, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??????? ????????: Total Deaths: 25994 ?? ??? age 0-24 - 0, 25-44 - 140, 45-64 - 1735,  ????? ???????
> ?? 45 ??? 0,54%
> 45-64 - 6.67%
> 65+ - 92.79%
> ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????. ???????

??? ???, ???? ?? 45, ??????? ??????? ?? 1 ?? 15.
????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 1?? ? 16?? ?????.
?????? ????? ?? ??????, ????????? ????? ????.

> ??????
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Sun Nov  7 19:20:34 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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????,

????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? 45-64: 735/3077196*100%=0.05% ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? :)

??????
On 6 Nov 2021, 21:21 +0100, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk at farm.org>, wrote:
> On 2021-11-01, at 18:40, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??????? ????????: Total Deaths: 25994 ?? ??? age 0-24 - 0, 25-44 - 140, 45-64 - 1735,??????? ???????
> >
> > ? ?? 45 ??? 0,54%
> > ? 45-64 - 6.67%
> > ? 65+ - 92.79%
> >
> > ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????. ???????
>
> ??? ???, ???? ?? 45, ??????? ??????? ?? 1 ?? 15.
> ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 1?? ? 16?? ?????.
> ?????? ????? ?? ??????, ????????? ????? ????.
>
> > ??????
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sun Nov  7 20:44:52 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
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??????,


??????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ??, ??? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???????????. Prrost!


7 ????????? 2021, 19:20:55, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


????,

????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? 45-64: 735/3077196*100%=0.05% ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? :)

??????
On 6 Nov 2021, 21:21 +0100, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk at farm.org>, wrote:
On 2021-11-01, at 18:40, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:

? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??????? ????????: Total Deaths: 25994 ?? ??? age 0-24 - 0, 25-44 - 140, 45-64 - 1735,??????? ???????
?? 45 ??? 0,54% 45-64 - 6.67% 65+ - 92.79% ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????. ???????

??? ???, ???? ?? 45, ??????? ??????? ?? 1 ?? 15.
????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 1?? ? 16?? ?????.
?????? ????? ?? ??????, ????????? ????? ????.


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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Mon Nov  8 08:50:58 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 08:50:58 +0200
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> On 7 Nov 2021, at 20:44, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> 
> ??????,

???? ????? ?????????? ???? ? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
?? ?????????? ??????????? ??????. ??????? ???? ???? ?????????????? ???????. 

> 
> 
> ??????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ??, ??? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???????????. Prrost!
> 
> 
> 7 ????????? 2021, 19:20:55, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> 
> ????,
> 
> ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? 45-64: 735/3077196*100%=0.05% ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? :)
> 
> ??????
> On 6 Nov 2021, 21:21 +0100, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk at farm.org>, wrote:
>> On 2021-11-01, at 18:40, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??????? ????????: Total Deaths: 25994 ?? ??? age 0-24 - 0, 25-44 - 140, 45-64 - 1735,  ????? ???????
>>> 	? ?? 45 ??? 0,54%
>>> 	? 45-64 - 6.67%
>>> 	? 65+ - 92.79%
>>> ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????. ???????
>> 
>> ??? ???, ???? ?? 45, ??????? ??????? ?? 1 ?? 15.
>> ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 1?? ? 16?? ?????.
>> ?????? ????? ?? ??????, ????????? ????? ????.
>> 
>>> ??????
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Mon Nov  8 20:33:47 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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?????,

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ ??? ????? ??????? ???????: ???????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????????

???????? ??? ??? ?? ??????? - ?? ??? ???????(Y) ??????????? 0, ?.?. ?????? ?????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ????????. ?????? ????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ???, ??????? ???????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ?? 0 ?? 100 000, ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ????????? ????? ?? ??????.

?? ????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????: https://faculty.atu.edu/mfinan/2043/section31.pdf
Scaling and Axis Manipulation
A graph can be altered by changing the scale of the graph. For example, data in the two graphs of Figure 31.1 are identical, but scaling of the Y-axis changes the impression of the magnitude of difference

??? ??? ??? ??????: https://measuringu.com/graph-zero/ ? ??????? ???????? ???????, ??? ??????? ?????? ????????? ????????? ? ????????? ?climate change? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ???????

??? ??? ??? ???-?? ??????? ?? ?????? ? ???????:
??????? 45-64: 1735/3077196*100%=0.0563825%
??????? 65+ 24119/2229121*100%=1.081996%
?? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????, ? ???? ??????? ??????? 1.081996/0.0563825=19.19028, ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ??????: ?? ????? ???????? ????? ??????? ? 19 ??? ????, ??? ? ??????????.

??????
On 8 Nov 2021, 07:51 +0100, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 7 Nov 2021, at 20:44, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> >
> > ??????,
>
> ???? ????? ?????????? ???? ? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
> ?? ?????????? ??????????? ??????. ??????? ???? ???? ?????????????? ???????.
>
> >
> >
> > ??????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ??, ??? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???????????. Prrost!
> >
> >
> > 7 ????????? 2021, 19:20:55, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> >
> > ????,
> >
> > ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? 45-64: 735/3077196*100%=0.05% ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? :)
> >
> > ??????
> > On 6 Nov 2021, 21:21 +0100, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk at farm.org>, wrote:
> > > On 2021-11-01, at 18:40, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??????? ????????: Total Deaths: 25994 ?? ??? age 0-24 - 0, 25-44 - 140, 45-64 - 1735, ????? ???????
> > > > ? ?? 45 ??? 0,54%
> > > > ? 45-64 - 6.67%
> > > > ? 65+ - 92.79%
> > > > ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????. ???????
> > >
> > > ??? ???, ???? ?? 45, ??????? ??????? ?? 1 ?? 15.
> > > ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 1?? ? 16?? ?????.
> > > ?????? ????? ?? ??????, ????????? ????? ????.
> > >
> > > > ??????
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Mon Nov  8 22:03:03 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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1) ???????? ???????????????? - ???, ????? ?? ????, ??? ????? ??????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?????? ? ???????? ???????
2) ?????? ???? "??????? ??? ????? ??????????? ??????????????, ?? ???? ???? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????????? ????????????? - ?.?. ??????? ????????? ?? ????? ?? ???? ????????????????
3) ???????????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??? ????, ??? ?? ???? ?? ?????? - ???? ??? ?, ??? ?? ?? ???; ? ????? (??? ?????????????) - ?? ?????? ???????????? ???? ????????????

??????
On 5 Nov 2021, 20:45 +0100, Serge Negodyuck <petr at petrovich.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> ??? ???? ??????, ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ????????????????, ??????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ?? ???? ???????. ??? ?? ?? ???????? ????, ?? ????????????? ????????.
> ???? ????????? - ???????? ?? ????? ????????????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?? ????????, ??? ???? ????????? ????? ?? ???????????????????????? ????.
>
> ?????? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ??? ???????????, ??????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?????????????. ???? - ???. ??????? ????.? ? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????????????? ? ?????????????? ?????? (???? ? ???????? ?? ??????, ??? ????? ???? ? ??????), ??? ??? ?? ?? ??? ??????? ?????. ???? ?? ??????????? ?????. ?? ??????????? - ???????? ???? ??????? ??? ??????? ????.
> Sad but true.
>
>
>
> > ??, 5 ????. 2021 ?. ? 18:56, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > ????,
> > >
> > > ????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????? "???? ?? 2 ???? "???????????????" ??? ? ?? ??????? ? ????????????? ????????????? ? ??? ??????? ????? ?..???????? : ????? ? ????????????????. ??? ??? ???????????????? ? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??????????????? ????????????????? ?? ??????????? ?????????????????, ? ??????????? "???????? ????????????????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ???????.
> > >
> > > ?? ??? ???????:
> > > 1) ? ?????? 2020 ???? ??? ???? ?legal indemnity" ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????? ??????
> > > "Under the current PREP Act declaration, manufacturers, distributors, and administrators of COVID-19 vaccines (along with other COVID-19 countermeasures) are generally immune from lawsuits based on injuries relating to the use of the vaccines? https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46913
> > > ?????????? ?????: ???? ????? ???????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ????-??????, ?? ? ????????? _???????_ ???????????????? ??? "immune from lawsuits ? relating to the use of the vaccines"
> > > 2) ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ? ? ??? ?? ???? ??????, ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??? ??????"
> > > https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/12/uk-government-grants-pfizer-civil-legal-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine/
> > >
> > > ?????????: ????? ?????? ? ????????????? ???.????????, ??? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?????????? ? ??????? ????? (????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????????).
> > >
> > > ????????? ? ???? ?? ?????????? ????-?????? ?????????? ????, ??? ?? ?? ???:
> > > https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
> > > ??? ?? ?????, ? ? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????????. ?? ???????, ?? ???? ?? ???????? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??????????? ???, ?? ?? ???? ?????????????.
> > >
> > > ?????????? ?????: ????????? ?????? ????????????? - ?? ????? ?? ???? ???????????????? ( ?, ?? ???, ?? ?? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ????????????????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??? - ? ?????????? ??????? - ?????? ?? ????????????, ?? ???? ?????? ????????). ? ???? ?????? ?? ??????????, ?? ?? ????????????? ?????????? ? ?? ?? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????.
> > >
> > > ???? ???????????: ??????? ???????? ????? ??????? ? ???? ????? ? ???????????? ?? ?????! ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???????????? ??????: ??????????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?????/????????????????.
> > >
> > > ??????
> > > On 2 Nov 2021, 18:46 +0100, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > ??????? ??????.
> > > >
> > > > ? ????-?? ? ??????, ?? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????, ?..????"???????????" ??? ?????? ???????.
> > > > ?? "?????? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ??? ? ???? ???????", ? ???? "???????, ???? ?? ????-????, ? ???? ????????!"
> > > > ??????????!
> > > > ???? ???? ???? "?????? ?? ??????????? ? ?? ??? ? ???? ???????" - ? ?? ? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. ? ???????? ???? ??? ??, ? ?????? ?? ?????. ??????? ?? ??????, ????? ?? ?? ??? ? ?????..
> > > > ???, ?? ??? ??????? ???????? ???????, ???? ?? 2 ???? "???????????????" ??? ? ?? ??????? ? ????????????? ????????????? ? ??? ??????? ????? ?..???????
> > > > ????? ??? ? ?? ????????... ? ? ?????? ???????. ? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ???? ? ?? ????????? ?????????. ???? ?..??????"???????????????"???????????? ??????? ? ????? ?????????????? ???????, ???????? ????????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ??????.
> > > >
> > > > ? ??? ???? - ? ???? ????????? ????????????? ????? (????, ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????.). ? ????????? ?? ????. ???? ????????.
> > > > ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ? ????? ? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ????? "?? ???? ??????". ? ????? ??? ????? ?? ????????. ? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??????????????.
> > > > ???? ? ?????????? ???? ??????, ?? ????????? ????????? ????? ????? ???????????? ???? ??????????? ??????.. ?? ?????? ????-????! ??????, ?????? ???????, ???????????? ???? ????????, "???????? ???????????"...
> > > > ?????, ??????, ???????? ? ? ???. ????? ???? - ??? ???? ?? ???????. ?? ??????? ? ??????, ???? ?"???? ???? ?? ??????? "???????? ???????", ??? ??????? ???????, ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????, ??, ?????, ? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ?????????????? ??????, ? ??????? ??????? ????. ?????????? ?? ????????.
> > > > ????? ???.
> > > >
> > > > ???? ??????"? ?? ???? ? ???????.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > > /oleh hrynchuk
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Tue Nov  9 08:56:09 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 07:56:09 +0100
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??????,

?? ????? ???????????? ??, ???? ???: ????? ???? ??????????? ?????? ????????, ? ?? ????????, ??????? ? ????????? ?????????? ??????? - ??? ?? ???????? ??? ????? ? ?????? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????? ??"? ????????, ?? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?? ??????

?????? ?????????? ?? ???????: ??????? ????? ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ? ???, ??????? ? ?????????? ??????????????? ?????? ??? ?? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????????????? ??? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ?????????"

?????????: ?? 1816 ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?? 2 ?????? - 55% ????????? ??????????????????, 31% - ?? ???????????????

Au cours de la p?riode du 18 Octobre 2021 au 31 Octobre 2021, un total de 1 816 personnes ont ?t? hospitalis?es pour le COVID-19 en Belgique. Parmi elles, 565 n??taient pas vaccin?es, 25 l??taient partiellement, 1000 l??taient enti?rement et le statut vaccinal n?a pas ?t? rapport? pour 226 d?entre elles.

??? ??? ? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??? _????_ ? ???????: ?? ????????? 95% ?????????????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ??????????? ? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ?? ???????????? ???? ? ???????.

??????
On 7 Nov 2021, 19:44 +0100, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
>
> ??????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ??, ??? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???????????. Prrost!
>
>
> 7 ????????? 2021, 19:20:55, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ????,
> >
> > ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? 45-64: 735/3077196*100%=0.05% ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? :)
> >
> > ??????
> > On 6 Nov 2021, 21:21 +0100, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk at farm.org>, wrote:
> > > On 2021-11-01, at 18:40, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??????? ????????: Total Deaths: 25994 ?? ??? age 0-24 - 0, 25-44 - 140, 45-64 - 1735,??????? ???????
> > > >
> > > > ? ?? 45 ??? 0,54%
> > > > ? 45-64 - 6.67%
> > > > ? 65+ - 92.79%
> > > >
> > > > ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????. ???????
> > >
> > > ??? ???, ???? ?? 45, ??????? ??????? ?? 1 ?? 15.
> > > ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 1?? ? 16?? ?????.
> > > ?????? ????? ?? ??????, ????????? ????? ????.
> > >
> > > > ??????
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Tue Nov  9 09:26:16 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 09:26:16 +0200
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> On 8 Nov 2021, at 20:33, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ?????,
> 
> https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ ??? ????? ??????? ???????: ???????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????????

?? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ??????????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??????. ??? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????????
?? ??????? ??????. ?????, ???????, 17-?? ???? ??? ?????, ??????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? "??????????" ??????.
????? ??? ???????? ??????, ??? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ????????.

> 
> ???????? ??? ??? ?? ??????? - ?? ??? ???????(Y) ??????????? 0, ?.?. ?????? ?????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ????????. ?????? ????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ???, ??????? ???????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ?? 0 ?? 100 000, ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ?? ????? ????????? ????? ?? ??????.

?? ???-?? ?????-?? ????? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ? ? ???? ????. ??? ???? ? ?????????? ?????????. ? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? z-score
??????? ? ??? 0 ????.

> 
> ?? ????????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????: https://faculty.atu.edu/mfinan/2043/section31.pdf
> Scaling and Axis Manipulation
> A graph can be altered by changing the scale of the graph. For example, data in the two graphs of Figure 31.1 are identical, but scaling of the Y-axis changes the impression of the magnitude of difference
> 
> ??? ??? ??? ??????: https://measuringu.com/graph-zero/ ? ??????? ???????? ???????, ??? ??????? ?????? ????????? ????????? ? ????????? ?climate change? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ???????
> 
> ??? ??? ??? ???-?? ??????? ?? ?????? ? ???????:
> ??????? 45-64: 1735/3077196*100%=0.0563825%
> ??????? 65+ 24119/2229121*100%=1.081996%
> ?? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????, ? ???? ??????? ??????? 1.081996/0.0563825=19.19028, ?? ??? ?????????? ?????? ????????? ??????: ?? ????? ???????? ????? ??????? ? 19 ??? ????, ??? ? ??????????.
> 
> ??????
> On 8 Nov 2021, 07:51 +0100, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Nov 2021, at 20:44, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ??????,
>> 
>> ???? ????? ?????????? ???? ? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
>> ?? ?????????? ??????????? ??????. ??????? ???? ???? ?????????????? ???????.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ??????????? ? ???????????? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ??, ??? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ????????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ? ???????????. Prrost!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 7 ????????? 2021, 19:20:55, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>>> 
>>> ????,
>>> 
>>> ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ? ???????? 45-64: 735/3077196*100%=0.05% ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? :)
>>> 
>>> ??????
>>> On 6 Nov 2021, 21:21 +0100, Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk at farm.org>, wrote:
>>>> On 2021-11-01, at 18:40, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ??????. ? ??????? ????????: Total Deaths: 25994 ?? ??? age 0-24 - 0, 25-44 - 140, 45-64 - 1735, ????? ???????
>>>>> ? ?? 45 ??? 0,54%
>>>>> ? 45-64 - 6.67%
>>>>> ? 65+ - 92.79%
>>>>> ?? ???? ????? ????????, ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????. ???????
>>>> 
>>>> ??? ???, ???? ?? 45, ??????? ??????? ?? 1 ?? 15.
>>>> ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? 1?? ? 16?? ?????.
>>>> ?????? ????? ?? ??????, ????????? ????? ????.
>>>> 
>>>>> ??????
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> uanog mailing list
>>> 
>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> uanog mailing list
>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>> 
>> --
>> Taras Heichenko
>> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

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tasic at academ.kiev.ua






From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org  Tue Nov  9 09:54:01 2021
From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 23:54:01 -0800
Subject: [uanog]
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hi,
On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 07:56:09AM +0100, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
 
> ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????: ??????? ????? ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ? ???, ??????? ? ?????????? ??????????????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????????????????? 
> ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ?????????"
> 
> ?????????: ?? 1816 ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?? 2 ?????? - 55% ????????? ??????????????????, 31% - ?? ???????????????
 
????? ????? ???????????????? 100%, ?? ? ????????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???????????????, ??? ?????? ?? ????????? ;-)

?? ? ? ??????? ???? ??????? - ?????????????? ???? ?????, ?????????? ?????.
????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ???????? (??? ? ???????????????? ????????? ???????????), ?? ???? 2-3 ?????? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ???????????.

...
> ??? ??? ? ???????? 
> ???? ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??? _????_ ? ???????: ???? ????????? 95% ???????????????????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ?? ???????????? ???? ? ???????.

? ??? ? ?????????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? - ?????????????? ???????? (?? ????????? ? ??????), ?????????? ????? ??? ???? (? ?? ??????????????? ??????????????).
????????? - ??? ? ???????, ~40M.
https://covid-19.direct/state/06

? ???????? ??? ??????? ? ????, ? ?????????? ?????.
? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ~???????, ????????????? ?????? ?????? (? Pfizer ???????, ??? ? ???????), ??????? ???? ????????.

???????? ? Bay Area ?????? ????? ???? ????????????? ? ?????????? ???????????????? ????? ?????????? ? ????-?????????????? ??????:
https://covid-19.direct/metro/1040

?? ? ?????? Pfizer ????? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????:
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-business-health-medication-eeea3c6a5f6428479e35bc1bcd7aec52

? ????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ??????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????.

> ??????

--igor

From paveln at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 10:42:00 2021
From: paveln at gmail.com (Pavlo Narozhnyy)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 10:42:00 +0200
Subject: [uanog] interesting vacancy
Message-ID: <CAOXbUYGuP7E_O7fuO_4b-JCd05tsHXASbspZ_1X0i06BsdPU1A@mail.gmail.com>

????? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??-?? ???????? ???????????????, ?? ???
?????????? ????? ?????????? ????????.


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USAID funded ?Ukraine Cybersecurity for Critical Infrastructure?
program. The purpose of the USAID Cybersecurity for Critical
Infrastructure in Ukraine project is to strengthen Ukraine?s
cybersecurity resilience in the short term and better prepare the
country for ongoing defense of critical infrastructure based on
trusted collaboration between key stakeholders in the government,
private sector, academia, and civil society.


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-- 

Pavlo Narozhnyy
+380 95 276 31 46
https://www.techniqtrading.com/

From mp at disan.net  Tue Nov  9 16:40:58 2021
From: mp at disan.net (Mike Petrusha)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 15:40:58 +0100
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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Hi!

> > ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????: ??????? ????? ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ? ???, ??????? ? ?????????? ??????????????? ?????? ??? ????
> > ?????????: ?? 1816 ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?? 2 ?????? - 55% ????????? ??????????????????, 31% - ?? ???????????????

??? ?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ?? UANOG? ?????? ???? ?? ?
Google ?????????
???? ?????? ??? 100-55-31=14 ?????????? ?? ?? ?????, ???????? ?? ? ??
???????????????.

????????????? ??????? 90% ???????????? ??? "? ??????????? ??????
??????????????? ?? 90% ?????? ????? ? ?????????? ???????, ??? ?
??????????? ?????? ?? ???????????????, ??? ???, ??? ?????? ???????????
???????".
? ????????????? 90% ?? "???? ???????", ? ???? ???????????
???????????????? ? ????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????? Pfizer.
??? Coronavac ??? ???? 51%. ? ? ????? Sanofi ?????? ?? ??????????
??????? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ????????????? ?????.

?? ?????, ?????????, ?? ?? ???? ?????? 1816 ???????? ?????? ?
?????????, ?? ??? 55% (1023) ???????? ???????.
? ??? ? ???????, ??? ????????? 11.6 ?????????, ??? ? 12-? ??? (10
?????????) ????? ???? ?????????????, ?? ??? ????????? ??????? 8.6
????????? (86% ???????).
?????????????? ?? ????????? ???? ? ???????? ????? ???? ?? 8400
???????? ? ???? ?? 1700 ?? ????????.
?????, ???????? ????????????? 5 ??? ??? 80%. (?? ???? ? ??????
"????????" ?? 80% ?????? ????????? ? ????????.)

????? ?????? ?????:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/10/22/grafiek-ziekenhuisopnames-gevaccineerden/
??? ??????? ? 10 ??? - 90%
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/192455/vaccinated-people-14-times-less-likely-to-end-up-in-intensive-care/
??? ??????? ? 14 ??? - ????????????? 93%

?? ????? ???????, ????? ??? ??????????????
????????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???????.
?? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???  ??? ?? ??????? ?? ?????, ??? ???????? ?
?????, ??? ?? ????????? ? ???????? ? ????? ????????
???? ??????? ? ???? - ?????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?
???????, ? ?? ? ????? ????????? ?????????
??????? ???? ? ???????? ???????? ? ?????. ? ??????? ???????? ??????.
??? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???????, ???????, ???????? ??
??????: ??? ? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ??????????, ????? ????????? ? ???
?????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? ?? ??????? ???
????-????, ??????? ????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????, ????????? ? ????
??????, ? ?????????? ????????, ??????, ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????.
? ????? ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? ????? ????????? ? ?????? ????
???????? ???? ??????? ?????????
?? ?????? ????????? ????? ????????? ??? ??????. ???? ???????? (??????)
?????, ???????? ?????? ????????? ????????????? ????, ? ?????? ? 50-?
?????? ??????? ???????-?????????, ? ?????? ??? ????????? ??????????.
??? ??? ??????? ????? ? ????????? ????
?? ? ??????? ? ????? ??, ????????? ???? ??? ????????: ????????,
????????, ???????, ???????, ??????, ??????? ? ??? ?????.

?? ?? ????? ??? ???????: ??, ?????????? ???????????? ???????. ?
"?????? ??????, ????????? ?????" ?? ????????????? ? ? ??????????? ???
?????????
? ????? ? ???, ??? "???? ???????? ?? ????? ?????????? - ???, ?????? -
?? ???", ?? ????????
? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ??? ?? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????!
? ? ???????? ? ????? ????? ??????????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????
??????? ????
? ????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ????, ??? ???????

?????? ????????????, ??????, ????? ??????????? (?? ?????? ???????) ???
???????, ??? ???????, ????? ????? ???????.
??????? ??? ?? ???????? ???????: ?? ?????? ??? ? ????? ?? ??? ? ????
????? ??????????
??? TCP ?? ????? IP?

--
Mike

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Wed Nov 10 19:38:28 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:38:28 +0100
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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?????,

??????? ?? ??????????.

???? ????? ????? ??????????? ? ??????????? ?????????.

??????? 3 ?????? (???????, ?????????? ? ???????) ??????? ?????????:

? ???????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????
? ???????? ????? ? ????????
? ????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????
? ??????????? ??????? ?????, ????????????? ????????, ????? covid-pass ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????

?? ??????? ?????????: ????? ??????????.

??? ????? ?????? ???? ?????????.

??????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????? ???? ?? ???????. ??????????

??????
On 9 Nov 2021, 08:54 +0100, Igor Sviridov <sia at uanog.sink.nest.org>, wrote:
> hi,
> On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 07:56:09AM +0100, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>
> > ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????: ??????? ????? ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ? ???, ??????? ? ?????????? ??????????????? ?????? ??? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????????????????
> > ??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ?????????"
> >
> > ?????????: ?? 1816 ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?? 2 ?????? - 55% ????????? ??????????????????, 31% - ?? ???????????????
>
> ????? ????? ???????????????? 100%, ?? ? ????????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???????????????, ??? ?????? ?? ????????? ;-)
>
> ?? ? ? ??????? ???? ??????? - ?????????????? ???? ?????, ?????????? ?????.
> ????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? ?????? ???????? (??? ? ???????????????? ????????? ???????????), ?? ???? 2-3 ?????? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ???????????.
>
> ...
> > ??? ??? ? ????????
> > ???? ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??? _????_ ? ???????: ???? ????????? 95% ???????????????????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ?? ???????????? ???? ? ???????.
>
> ? ??? ? ?????????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? - ?????????????? ???????? (?? ????????? ? ??????), ?????????? ????? ??? ???? (? ?? ??????????????? ??????????????).
> ????????? - ??? ? ???????, ~40M.
> https://covid-19.direct/state/06
>
> ? ???????? ??? ??????? ? ????, ? ?????????? ?????.
> ? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ~???????, ????????????? ?????? ?????? (? Pfizer ???????, ??? ? ???????), ??????? ???? ????????.
>
> ???????? ? Bay Area ?????? ????? ???? ????????????? ? ?????????? ???????????????? ????? ?????????? ? ????-?????????????? ??????:
> https://covid-19.direct/metro/1040
>
> ?? ? ?????? Pfizer ????? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????:
> https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-business-health-medication-eeea3c6a5f6428479e35bc1bcd7aec52
>
> ? ????? ??????? ????? ?????????? ???? ??????, ??? ?? ??????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????.
>
> > ??????
>
> --igor
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Wed Nov 10 19:38:30 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:38:30 +0100
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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Message-ID: <2b2f9d08-79f9-4b04-801e-e3a4bb4202eb@Spark>

????,

14% ??????? ? 2 ???????: 1) ???????? ??????????????? ? 2) ??? ?????? - ??? ????? ???? ? ??????, ??????? ? ????????.

???? ???? ????????? ??????? ??????, ?? ? ??? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ? ???????? (le commissaire corona) ?????? 5 ?????? ????????? ?????: 64% ??????????????????? - ????????????????

???????? ?????????????? ?? ?????????:

? 18-44 ans: 33% ????????????????, 67% ???
? 45 ? 65 ans: 44% ????????????????, 56% ???
? plus de 65 ans: 82% ????????????????, 18% ???.

??? ???: ? ?????????? ?????? 65+ ??? ? ?????????? 82% ????????????????, 18% ???. ??? ????, ? ??? ?? ????? ??????, ?????????? ??? ???????? 93,34%. ??? ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ?????? ? ??? ?????.

??????: https://www.lalibre.be/belgique/societe/2021/11/05/coronavirus-les-personnes-non-vaccinees-sont-surrepresentees-aux-soins-intensifs-NO4SZN4TFNGY5GSEONHZLSBHCA/

??????
On 9 Nov 2021, 15:41 +0100, Mike Petrusha <mp at disan.net>, wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????: ??????? ????? ? ??????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ? ???, ??????? ? ?????????? ??????????????? ?????? ??? ????
> > > ?????????: ?? 1816 ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ?? 2 ?????? - 55% ????????? ??????????????????, 31% - ?? ???????????????
>
> ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????? ?? UANOG? ?????? ???? ?? ?
> Google ?????????
> ???? ?????? ??? 100-55-31=14 ?????????? ?? ?? ?????, ???????? ?? ? ??
> ???????????????.
>
> ????????????? ??????? 90% ???????????? ??? "? ??????????? ??????
> ??????????????? ?? 90% ?????? ????? ? ?????????? ???????, ??? ?
> ??????????? ?????? ?? ???????????????, ??? ???, ??? ?????? ???????????
> ???????".
> ? ????????????? 90% ?? "???? ???????", ? ???? ???????????
> ???????????????? ? ????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ??????? Pfizer.
> ??? Coronavac ??? ???? 51%. ? ? ????? Sanofi ?????? ?? ??????????
> ??????? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ????????????? ?????.
>
> ?? ?????, ?????????, ?? ?? ???? ?????? 1816 ???????? ?????? ?
> ?????????, ?? ??? 55% (1023) ???????? ???????.
> ? ??? ? ???????, ??? ????????? 11.6 ?????????, ??? ? 12-? ??? (10
> ?????????) ????? ???? ?????????????, ?? ??? ????????? ??????? 8.6
> ????????? (86% ???????).
> ?????????????? ?? ????????? ???? ? ???????? ????? ???? ?? 8400
> ???????? ? ???? ?? 1700 ?? ????????.
> ?????, ???????? ????????????? 5 ??? ??? 80%. (?? ???? ? ??????
> "????????" ?? 80% ?????? ????????? ? ????????.)
>
> ????? ?????? ?????:
> https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/10/22/grafiek-ziekenhuisopnames-gevaccineerden/
> ??? ??????? ? 10 ??? - 90%
> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/192455/vaccinated-people-14-times-less-likely-to-end-up-in-intensive-care/
> ??? ??????? ? 14 ??? - ????????????? 93%
>
> ?? ????? ???????, ????? ??? ??????????????
> ????????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???????.
> ?? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ?????, ??? ???????? ?
> ?????, ??? ?? ????????? ? ???????? ? ????? ????????
> ???? ??????? ? ???? - ?????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?
> ???????, ? ?? ? ????? ????????? ?????????
> ??????? ???? ? ???????? ???????? ? ?????. ? ??????? ???????? ??????.
> ??? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ???????, ???????, ???????? ??
> ??????: ??? ? ??? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ??????????, ????? ????????? ? ???
> ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? ?? ??????? ???
> ????-????, ??????? ????????? ?? ????? ? ????? ?????, ????????? ? ????
> ??????, ? ?????????? ????????, ??????, ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????.
> ? ????? ????????? ?????? ? ???? ? ????? ????????? ? ?????? ????
> ???????? ???? ??????? ?????????
> ?? ?????? ????????? ????? ????????? ??? ??????. ???? ???????? (??????)
> ?????, ???????? ?????? ????????? ????????????? ????, ? ?????? ? 50-?
> ?????? ??????? ???????-?????????, ? ?????? ??? ????????? ??????????.
> ??? ??? ??????? ????? ? ????????? ????
> ?? ? ??????? ? ????? ??, ????????? ???? ??? ????????: ????????,
> ????????, ???????, ???????, ??????, ??????? ? ??? ?????.
>
> ?? ?? ????? ??? ???????: ??, ?????????? ???????????? ???????. ?
> "?????? ??????, ????????? ?????" ?? ????????????? ? ? ??????????? ???
> ?????????
> ? ????? ? ???, ??? "???? ???????? ?? ????? ?????????? - ???, ?????? -
> ?? ???", ?? ????????
> ? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ??? ?? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????!
> ? ? ???????? ? ????? ????? ??????????? ??? ????? ??????? ???????????
> ??????? ????
> ? ????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ? ????? ????, ??? ???????
>
> ?????? ????????????, ??????, ????? ??????????? (?? ?????? ???????) ???
> ???????, ??? ???????, ????? ????? ???????.
> ??????? ??? ?? ???????? ???????: ?? ?????? ??? ? ????? ?? ??? ? ????
> ????? ??????????
> ??? TCP ?? ????? IP?
>
> --
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
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From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org  Thu Nov 11 00:56:31 2021
From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 14:56:31 -0800
Subject: [uanog]
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	=?koi8-u?b?waQg8qbewdLEwSDz1M/MzM3FzsEuLi4=?=
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Message-ID: <20211110225631.GD89877@rabbit.smph.nest.org>

hi,
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 9:38 AM Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:

> ???? ????? ????? ??????????? ? ??????????? ?????????.
>
> ??????? 3 ?????? (???????, ?????????? ? ???????) ??????? ?????????:
> - ???????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????, ??? ?????? ???????????
> - ???????? ????? ? ????????
> - ????????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????
> - ??????????? ??????? ?????, ????????????? ????????, ????? covid-pass ? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????
> ?? ??????? ?????????: ????? ??????????.
> ??? ????? ?????? ???? ?????????.
> ??????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????? ???? ?? ???????. ??????????

??????, ?? ?? ??????.

- ??????? ???????????????? ?????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ?? ??????.
- ????? ? ????????? (? ????????) ? ?????????? ?? ????????.
- ???? ?????????????? ???? ??????? (???????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ???????); ????? ?????????? ??????????? ???.
- covid-pass ????? ???? ???????????? (??? ???????) - ??? ???? ??????? ???????????? ????? ???? ???.

> ??????

--igor

From doka at funlab.cc  Mon Nov 15 16:26:19 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:26:19 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
Message-ID: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>

??????,

????? ?????. ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? 
?????????? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ????? ????????? proprietary 
????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ???? ?????/???????? ? ??????? 
???????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ???????, ????? 
?????????? hot backup ?? "?????? ????????", ? ?? ????.

??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? 
?????? ??????. ??????????, GlusterFS ???? ????????, ?? ???? ? ????-?? 
???? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????????? GlusterFS ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? 
?????? ???????????? - ?? ???? ????? ???????????.

???????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From lystor at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 16:46:53 2021
From: lystor at gmail.com (Mykola Ulianytskyi)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:46:53 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <CA+Mediy+Y7=bvUhgz8gjd7hVRZ4KqNqChjWwD0sX3dxACMZ3pA@mail.gmail.com>

> GlusterFS ???? ????????, ?? ???? ? ????-?? ???? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????????? GlusterFS ?? ?????

GlusterFS ???? ???????? ??? lstat, ?.?. ??? ?????? ???????????? ???
htdocs ? ???????? ????????? ? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ?
???.

https://lists.gluster.org/pipermail/gluster-users/2017-December/033003.html

> ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????.

Ceph

--
Best regards,
Mykola

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 4:26 PM Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> wrote:
>
> ??????,
>
> ????? ?????. ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ????? ????????? proprietary ????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ???? ?????/???????? ? ??????? ???????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ???????, ????? ?????????? hot backup ?? "?????? ????????", ? ?? ????.
>
> ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????. ??????????, GlusterFS ???? ????????, ?? ???? ? ????-?? ???? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????????? GlusterFS ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????????? - ?? ???? ????? ???????????.
>
> ???????.
>
> --
> Volodymyr Litovka
>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Mon Nov 15 16:50:31 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:50:31 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <1636987626.628822000.jmoza9th@frv53.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ??? split brain, ????????? ????????????? ? conflict resolution. ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????????????.

15 ????????? 2021, 16:26:31, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at funlab.cc>:

??????,
????? ?????. ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ????? ????????? proprietary ????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ???? ?????/???????? ? ??????? ???????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ???????, ????? ?????????? hot backup ?? "?????? ????????", ? ?? ????.
??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????. ??????????, GlusterFS ???? ????????, ?? ???? ? ????-?? ???? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????????? GlusterFS ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????????? - ?? ???? ????? ???????????.
???????.
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From lystor at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:03:48 2021
From: lystor at gmail.com (Mykola Ulianytskyi)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:03:48 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <1636987626.628822000.jmoza9th@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <1636987626.628822000.jmoza9th@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Mediz9VSDNbTr=XWdSCtqpYc6pzG1mTmf+guJq2=0oo2X93A@mail.gmail.com>

> ? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ??? split brain, ????????? ????????????? ? conflict resolution. ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????????????.

????. ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??.

Client quorum:
This is a feature implemented in Automatic File Replication (AFR here
on) module, to prevent split-brains in the I/O path for
replicate/distributed-replicate volumes.
By default, if the client-quorum is not met for a particular replica
subvol, it becomes read-only.

https://docs.gluster.org/en/v3/Administrator%20Guide/Split%20brain%20and%20ways%20to%20deal%20with%20it/

--
Best regards,
Mykola

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 4:50 PM Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
>
> ??????,
>
> ? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ??? split brain, ????????? ????????????? ? conflict resolution. ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????????????.
>
> 15 ????????? 2021, 16:26:31, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at funlab.cc>:
>
> ??????,
> ????? ?????. ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ????? ????????? proprietary ????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ???? ?????/???????? ? ??????? ???????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ???????, ????? ?????????? hot backup ?? "?????? ????????", ? ?? ????.
> ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????. ??????????, GlusterFS ???? ????????, ?? ???? ? ????-?? ???? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????????? GlusterFS ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????????? - ?? ???? ????? ???????????.
> ???????.
>
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Mon Nov 15 17:48:38 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:48:38 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <CA+Mediz9VSDNbTr=XWdSCtqpYc6pzG1mTmf+guJq2=0oo2X93A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <1636987626.628822000.jmoza9th@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
 <CA+Mediz9VSDNbTr=XWdSCtqpYc6pzG1mTmf+guJq2=0oo2X93A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1636990591.721006000.1fve6ozo@frv53.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

?? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ??-??????????? ?? ???????? ?????? (??? ???????? ????????? ???????), ????? ?? ????????? split brain - ??? ????? conflict resolution. Read only ? ???????? split brain ???????? ? ???????? ????????? ???????. ?? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ???? ? ??? ?, ? ? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ??????/??????. ?.?. ??? read only ???????? ??? ????? ??????.

? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ??? ????????? (?????, ???????) ? ???????? ?????????? ??????????? "? ????????", ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????.
?????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?? ? ?????, ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? ???, ??? ??? ????: ????????, ????????? ????????, ??????? "??? ????", ???? ?????, ?? ????????????????+?????????????????????, ? ?? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ???? (???????????? race).

??? ????? ??? ?????? ?? split brain ??? ????? ???????????. ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ????????? conflict resolution'?

PS: ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? embedded database'?? ???? bdb/sqlite

15 ????????? 2021, 17:04:00, ??? "Mykola Ulianytskyi" <lystor at gmail.com>:

> ? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ??? split brain, ????????? ????????????? ? conflict resolution. ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????????????.

????. ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??.

Client quorum:
This is a feature implemented in Automatic File Replication (AFR here
on) module, to prevent split-brains in the I/O path for
replicate/distributed-replicate volumes.
By default, if the client-quorum is not met for a particular replica
subvol, it becomes read-only.

https://docs.gluster.org/en/v3/Administrator%20Guide/Split%20brain%20and%20ways%20to%20deal%20with%20it/

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From doka at funlab.cc  Mon Nov 15 18:15:35 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 18:15:35 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <CA+Mediy+Y7=bvUhgz8gjd7hVRZ4KqNqChjWwD0sX3dxACMZ3pA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
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On 15.11.2021 16:46, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote:
>> GlusterFS ???? ????????, ?? ???? ? ????-?? ???? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????????? GlusterFS ?? ?????
> GlusterFS ???? ???????? ??? lstat, ?.?. ??? ?????? ???????????? ???
> htdocs ? ???????? ????????? ? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ?
> ???.
>
> https://lists.gluster.org/pipermail/gluster-users/2017-December/033003.html

??? ????? ??? ????? ???????????? ???? - 
https://github.com/lizardfs/lizardfs/issues/805

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From doka at funlab.cc  Mon Nov 15 18:24:10 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 18:24:10 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <1636990591.721006000.1fve6ozo@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <1636987626.628822000.jmoza9th@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
 <CA+Mediz9VSDNbTr=XWdSCtqpYc6pzG1mTmf+guJq2=0oo2X93A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1636990591.721006000.1fve6ozo@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
Message-ID: <6c0ea271-9b9f-d120-6479-0c0e0262d509@funlab.cc>

? ?????, ??? ????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ????????? 
?????????????? ????? ? ?????? ????????? ???? ?? ????????.

???? ???? ???? ? ??? proprietary ?????, ?? ? ??? ?????? ???????????? 
????? ?? failed active node ? ?????? ????? active - ???????? Virtual IP 
? ?????? ????????? ???????.

????????? ??? ?? ?? ?????????? ????????? ????????????? ???????? ???????, 
????? ??? ?????????.

? ?? - ????????, ??? ?????? ??? ????.

On 15.11.2021 17:48, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ?? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ??-??????????? ?? ???????? ?????? 
> (??? ???????? ????????? ???????), ????? ?? ????????? split brain - ??? 
> ????? conflict resolution. Read only ? ???????? split brain ???????? ? 
> ???????? ????????? ???????. ?? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ? 
> ????? ???? ? ??? ?, ? ? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ??????/??????. ?.?. ??? 
> read only ???????? ??? ????? ??????.
>
> ? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? (?????, ???????) ? 
> ???????? ?????????? ??????????? "? ????????", ????????? ??? ???????? 
> ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????.
> ?????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?? ? ?????, ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? 
> ???, ??? ??? ????: ????????, ????????? ????????, ??????? "??? ????", 
> ???? ?????, ?? ????????????????+?????????????????????, ? ?? ?????? 
> ?????? ? ??? ?????? ???? (???????????? race).
>
> ??? ????? ??? ?????? ?? split brain ??? ????? ???????????. ???? ?????? 
> ???????? ??? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ????????? conflict 
> resolution'?
>
> PS: ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? embedded database'?? 
> ???? bdb/sqlite
>
> /15 ????????? 2021, 17:04:00, ??? "Mykola Ulianytskyi" 
> <lystor at gmail.com <mailto:lystor at gmail.com>>: /
>
>     > ? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ??? split brain, ????????? ????????????? ? conflict resolution. ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????????????.
>
>     ????. ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??.
>
>     Client quorum:
>     This is a feature implemented in Automatic File Replication (AFR here
>     on) module, to prevent split-brains in the I/O path for
>     replicate/distributed-replicate volumes.
>     By default, if the client-quorum is not met for a particular replica
>     subvol, it becomes read-only.
>
>     https://docs.gluster.org/en/v3/Administrator%20Guide/Split%20brain%20and%20ways%20to%20deal%20with%20it/
>
-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From doka at funlab.cc  Mon Nov 15 18:37:27 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 18:37:27 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <CA+Mediy+Y7=bvUhgz8gjd7hVRZ4KqNqChjWwD0sX3dxACMZ3pA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <CA+Mediy+Y7=bvUhgz8gjd7hVRZ4KqNqChjWwD0sX3dxACMZ3pA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08aa9136-2321-883f-7fec-200ba5018196@funlab.cc>


On 15.11.2021 16:46, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote:
>> ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????.
> Ceph

??? ??, ?? ??????. ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ??? 100500 ???????? 
:) ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ?? ????????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Mon Nov 15 18:45:29 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 18:45:29 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <6c0ea271-9b9f-d120-6479-0c0e0262d509@funlab.cc>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <1636987626.628822000.jmoza9th@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
 <CA+Mediz9VSDNbTr=XWdSCtqpYc6pzG1mTmf+guJq2=0oo2X93A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1636990591.721006000.1fve6ozo@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
 <6c0ea271-9b9f-d120-6479-0c0e0262d509@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <1636994496.208760000.6lbclp6m@frv53.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

BGP ???????????, ????, ??????????? ?? ??????, ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????? - ??? ?? ?? ????????, ????? ??? ???????, ?? ?? ??????? ?? ???????????????.

???? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ? ??? ????????? ?????? ? ???????, ????? ??????? ?? ???????, ??????? ????? ?????????.


15 ????????? 2021, 18:24:19, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at funlab.cc>:

? ?????, ??? ????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????????? ????? ? ?????? ????????? ???? ?? ????????.
???? ???? ???? ? ??? proprietary ?????, ?? ? ??? ?????? ???????????? ????? ?? failed active node ? ?????? ????? active - ???????? Virtual IP ? ?????? ????????? ???????.
????????? ??? ?? ?? ?????????? ????????? ????????????? ???????? ???????, ????? ??? ?????????.
? ?? - ????????, ??? ?????? ??? ????.
On 15.11.2021 17:48, Vladimir Sharun wrote:

??????,

?? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ??-??????????? ?? ???????? ?????? (??? ???????? ????????? ???????), ????? ?? ????????? split brain - ??? ????? conflict resolution. Read only ? ???????? split brain ???????? ? ???????? ????????? ???????. ?? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ? ????? ???? ? ??? ?, ? ? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ??????/??????. ?.?. ??? read only ???????? ??? ????? ??????.

? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ??? ????????? (?????, ???????) ? ???????? ?????????? ??????????? "? ????????", ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????.
?????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?? ? ?????, ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? ???, ??? ??? ????: ????????, ????????? ????????, ??????? "??? ????", ???? ?????, ?? ????????????????+?????????????????????, ? ?? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ???? (???????????? race).

??? ????? ??? ?????? ?? split brain ??? ????? ???????????. ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ????????? conflict resolution'?

PS: ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? embedded database'?? ???? bdb/sqlite

15 ????????? 2021, 17:04:00, ??? "Mykola Ulianytskyi" <lystor at gmail.com>:

> ? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ??? split brain, ????????? ????????????? ? conflict resolution. ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????????????.

????. ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??.

Client quorum:
This is a feature implemented in Automatic File Replication (AFR here
on) module, to prevent split-brains in the I/O path for
replicate/distributed-replicate volumes.
By default, if the client-quorum is not met for a particular replica
subvol, it becomes read-only.

https://docs.gluster.org/en/v3/Administrator%20Guide/Split%20brain%20and%20ways%20to%20deal%20with%20it/
-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From alex at euro.net.ua  Mon Nov 15 19:05:40 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 19:05:40 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <6c0ea271-9b9f-d120-6479-0c0e0262d509@funlab.cc>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc> 
 <1636987626.628822000.jmoza9th@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
 <CA+Mediz9VSDNbTr=XWdSCtqpYc6pzG1mTmf+guJq2=0oo2X93A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1636990591.721006000.1fve6ozo@frv53.fwdcdn.com>
 <6c0ea271-9b9f-d120-6479-0c0e0262d509@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <74402632.20211115190540@euro.net.ua>

?????? !

?????.....
???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????? ????????????? ?? ?????????? ???.

????  ?????? ????????? ??????-?????? ??????, ?????? ? ????????? "?????
?????????????  ????? ???-?? ????????????", ?? ??? ???????? ??????? ???
???????.

????????  ?  ???,  ???  ??????  ???????????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????
??????,  ???? ?????? ?????????? (??????). ? ????? ???? ?????????? ????
?  ????  ???? ???????, ??????? ????? ?? ????????????? ? ???????? ????,
??????? ????? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ????? ?

???  ??????  ????  ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ? ??? ??? "???? ? ????
???  ??????  ? FS ???-?? ?? ?? ?? ? ????????? ????????, ?????? ??? ? ?
??? ??????? ?????(??????) ?? ???? ?????????".
??  ????????  HTML ????????, ??????? ??????????? ??? ??????? ? ???????
?? ???? "??????" ????? ??? ????????.

???-?? ??? ...
???  ??????-??  ?? ??????? "???????????? ????????? ?? ???????????? ?????
??"(????????????  ???????),  ???  ????? ????? ???????? ???? ??????, ???
??????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ??????.

??  ????  ???  ??????  "??? ?? ????? ??????? ? ??? ?? ???? ???????" ??
????????? ??????? ??????, ?????? "??????????? ????????????? ???????".

Monday, November 15, 2021, 6:24:10 PM, Volodymyr Litovka doka at funlab.cc you wrote:
VL> ? ?????, ??? ????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?????????
VL> ?????????????? ????? ? ?????? ????????? ???? ?? ????????.

VL> ???? ???? ???? ? ??? proprietary ?????, ?? ? ??? ??????
VL> ???????????? ????? ?? failed active node ? ?????? ????? active -
VL> ???????? Virtual IP ? ?????? ????????? ???????.

VL> ????????? ??? ?? ?? ?????????? ????????? ????????????? ???????? ???????, ????? ??? ?????????.

VL> ? ?? - ????????, ??? ?????? ??? ????.

VL> On 15.11.2021 17:48, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
>> ?? ????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ??-??????????? ?? ???????? ?????? > (??? ???????? ????????? ???????), ????? ?? ????????? split brain - ??? > ????? conflict resolution. Read only ? ???????? split brain ???????? ? > ???????? ????????? ???????. ?? ???????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?? ????? ? > ????? ???? ? ??? ?, ? ? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ??????/??????. ?.?. ??? > read only ???????? ??? ????? ??????.
>>
>> ? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? (?????, ???????) ? > ???????? ?????????? ??????????? "? ????????", ????????? ??? ???????? > ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????.
>> ?????? ?????? ??? ?????????? ?? ? ?????, ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? > ???, ??? ??? ????: ????????, ????????? ????????, ??????? "??? ????", > ???? ?????, ?? ????????????????+?????????????????????, ? ?? ?????? > ?????? ? ??? ?????? ???? (???????????? race).
>>
>> ??? ????? ??? ?????? ?? split brain ??? ????? ???????????. ???? ?????? > ???????? ??? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ????????? conflict > resolution'?
>>
>> PS: ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? embedded database'?? > ???? bdb/sqlite
>>
>> /15 ????????? 2021, 17:04:00, ??? "Mykola Ulianytskyi" > <lystor at gmail.com <mailto:lystor at gmail.com>>: /
>>
>>     > ? ???? ????????? ???????? ????? ??? split brain, ????????? ????????????? ? conflict resolution. ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????????????.
>>
>>     ????. ? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ??.
>>
>>     Client quorum:
>>     This is a feature implemented in Automatic File Replication (AFR here
>>     on) module, to prevent split-brains in the I/O path for
>>     replicate/distributed-replicate volumes.
>>     By default, if the client-quorum is not met for a particular replica
>>     subvol, it becomes read-only.
>>
>>     https://docs.gluster.org/en/v3/Administrator%20Guide/Split%20brain%20and%20ways%20to%20deal%20with%20it/
>>


-- 
Best regards,
Alexander V Soroka       http://www.svr.ua/
AS106-RIPE
mailto:alex at euro.net.ua


From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org  Mon Nov 15 19:38:53 2021
From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:38:53 -0800
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <20211115173853.GG89877@rabbit.smph.nest.org>

hi,
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 04:26:19PM +0200, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:

> ????? ?????. ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? 
> ?????????? ??????. ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ????? ????????? proprietary 
> ????, ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ? ???? ?????/???????? ? ??????? 
> ???????, ????? ??? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ???????, ????? 
> ?????????? hot backup ?? "?????? ????????", ? ?? ????.
> 
> ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? 
> ?????? ??????. ??????????, GlusterFS ???? ????????, ?? ???? ? ????-?? 
> ???? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????????? GlusterFS ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? 
> ?????? ???????????? - ?? ???? ????? ???????????.
 
???? ???????????? ?? ???????????? Gluster :)
??? ?????? ?????????? ?? ????????? ??? ????????????, ? ????? ?? ????????? 3 ???? RedHat ? ????? ??????? ???????? - ?? ? ????? ??????????.

Gluster ??????? ???????? ??? ???????? ?????:
- ????? high performance, ? ??????? ?? ??????????? ???????????? NFS ??????? (NetApp etc); ???? HPC cluster
- ?????? ????? ???????????? (?? ???? ??? shared scratch space) ? ???? ??????? ???????? ???????????????? (????? ???? HPC)

? ??? ?????????? ?????? ? ?? ??? ?? ??????.
??? ???? ?? ?????????? IBM GPFS ;-)

Ceph ????? ????????, ?? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????.
????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ???????? NFS-??????? ?/??? ?????? ???????? ??? rsync :)

p.s. ??? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? "hyper-converged infrastructure":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-converged_infrastructure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converged_infrastructure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converged_storage

??? ???????? ?????????????:
https://www.scalecomputing.com/
https://www.scalecomputing.com/resources/the-hc3-storage-advantage
https://www.nutanix.com/hyperconverged-infrastructure

p.p.s. DRBD + GFS2? :)
 
> ???????.
> 
> -- 
> Volodymyr Litovka

--igor

From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org  Mon Nov 15 20:04:53 2021
From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 10:04:53 -0800
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <20211115173853.GG89877@rabbit.smph.nest.org>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <20211115173853.GG89877@rabbit.smph.nest.org>
Message-ID: <20211115180453.GH89877@rabbit.smph.nest.org>

?????? MooseFS ? ??? forks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_File_System
https://unixorn.github.io/post/adding-a-distributed-filesystem-to-cluster/
https://newbedev.com/distributed-file-systems-gridfs-vs-glusterfs-vs-ceph-vs-hekafs-benchmarks
https://juicefs.com/blog/en/posts/distributed-filesystem-comparison/

?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???:
https://moosefs.com/products/#moosefs

--igor

From doka at funlab.cc  Mon Nov 15 23:22:09 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 23:22:09 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <20211115173853.GG89877@rabbit.smph.nest.org>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <20211115173853.GG89877@rabbit.smph.nest.org>
Message-ID: <fd7909ea-cd94-05a6-3d6b-8abbf551907d@funlab.cc>


On 15.11.2021 19:38, Igor Sviridov wrote:
> ????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ???????? NFS-??????? ?/??? ?????? ???????? ??? rsync :)
???? ????? ?????, ????? ?? ???????? ??? ???, ?? ? ?? ????? ????? 
?????????? ???????????????????? ?? _?????????_ ??????. ??? ?????????? 
????????, ??? ?????????? ?? ??????? ??????? ? ?????? ? ????????, 
???????? ????? ????? ???? ????? ?????????? ?? ??????? - ?? 
???????-????????? ???????? ????????? ??? ?????????? :)
> p.p.s. DRBD + GFS2? :)

? ???? ????????? ???? ? DRBD ? ?? ??? ?? ??????????. ?, ??????, ??????? 
??? ????????? ? openstack'?? ? ??? ???? ?????? :-D ?? ????? ? ????? 
?????????? ??? ??? - ???????-?? ???????.

??? ?? MooseFS, ?? ?? - ? community ?????? ??????????? HA ??? 
??????????. ?? ????, ?????, ??????????? ?????? ???-???? ??? ????????. 
?????? ?? ??????????? ????? - ?????? ??????????, ????????, ??, ??? 
??????? ?????? ?????, ???? ???????????? ????? ????????? - ??? ?????????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From pseudo at avalon.org.ua  Tue Nov 16 12:36:09 2021
From: pseudo at avalon.org.ua (Max Krasilnikov)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:36:09 +0000
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <08aa9136-2321-883f-7fec-200ba5018196@funlab.cc>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <CA+Mediy+Y7=bvUhgz8gjd7hVRZ4KqNqChjWwD0sX3dxACMZ3pA@mail.gmail.com>
 <08aa9136-2321-883f-7fec-200ba5018196@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <20211116103609.GY1680068@avalon.org.ua>

???? ??????! 

 Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 06:37:27PM +0200, doka wrote: 

>    On 15.11.2021 16:46, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote:
> 
>  ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????.
> 
>  Ceph
> 
>    ??? ??, ?? ??????. ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ??? 100500 ???????? :)
>    ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ?? ????????.

?? ???? ?? ??? Ceph ???????, ? ??????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????. ? ???????,
?? ????? ?? ?? ??????? ??????, ?? ????????? Ceph ?????? :)

From doka at funlab.cc  Tue Nov 16 12:37:29 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 12:37:29 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
In-Reply-To: <20211116103609.GY1680068@avalon.org.ua>
References: <afcc4b96-2beb-8ee0-f80c-fdbf0a40c478@funlab.cc>
 <CA+Mediy+Y7=bvUhgz8gjd7hVRZ4KqNqChjWwD0sX3dxACMZ3pA@mail.gmail.com>
 <08aa9136-2321-883f-7fec-200ba5018196@funlab.cc>
 <20211116103609.GY1680068@avalon.org.ua>
Message-ID: <6725f24d-a3e0-8005-848d-a939b0011fb5@funlab.cc>

?, ??????, ?????? :)

????? ???? - ????????? ?????????, ??? ceph ?????????? ? ????? ??????? 
??????? ??????? ?? ?????.

??? ?????? :)

On 16.11.2021 12:36, Max Krasilnikov wrote:
> ???? ??????!
>
>   Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 06:37:27PM +0200, doka wrote:
>
>>     On 15.11.2021 16:46, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote:
>>
>>   ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????.
>>
>>   Ceph
>>
>>     ??? ??, ?? ??????. ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ??? 100500 ???????? :)
>>     ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ?? ????????.
> ?? ???? ?? ??? Ceph ???????, ? ??????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????. ? ???????,
> ?? ????? ?? ?? ??????? ??????, ?? ????????? Ceph ?????? :)

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From basil at vpm.net.ua  Mon Nov 22 15:39:03 2021
From: basil at vpm.net.ua (VASYL MELNYK)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:39:03 +0200
Subject: [uanog] distributed FS
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??, 16 ????. 2021 ?. ? 12:37, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>:

> ?, ??????, ?????? :)
>
> ????? ???? - ????????? ?????????, ??? ceph ?????????? ? ????? ???????
> ??????? ??????? ?? ?????.
>
> ??? ?????? :)
> On 16.11.2021 12:36, Max Krasilnikov wrote:
>
> ???? ??????!
>
>  Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 06:37:27PM +0200, doka wrote:
>
>
>    On 15.11.2021 16:46, Mykola Ulianytskyi wrote:
>
>  ??????????? ?????????????? ???????? ??????? ???? GlusterFS, ??????? ?? ?????? ??????.
>
>  Ceph
>
>    ??? ??, ?? ??????. ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ??????, ??? 100500 ???????? :)
>    ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ?? ????????.
>
> ?? ???? ?? ??? Ceph ???????, ? ??????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????. ? ???????,
> ?? ????? ?? ?? ??????? ??????, ?? ????????? Ceph ?????? :)
>
> --
> Volodymyr Litovka
>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
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