From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 11:05:05 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 11:05:05 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KbQtSDQu9C40YjQtSDQsiDQvNC10L3QtSDRgtCw0Lo=?=
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???????? ???????? ?? ? ?"??????.

ISP ???????? ????? ??????? ??? "???????? ? ??????????????".


??, 30 ???. 2021 ? 08:10 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:

> ?????? ????!
>
> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ???? "??????????
> ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP
> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
>
>
> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
>
>> hi,
>>
>>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ??
>> ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
>>
>> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100 ????/? ?
>> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ???? ?
>> ???
>> > ????? ? ??????.
>> >
>> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
>>
>> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
>> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
>>
>>
>> -netch-
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
>


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From oles at uar.net  Mon Oct  4 12:53:43 2021
From: oles at uar.net (Oles Girniak)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 12:53:43 +0300
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????,

AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ???? ??????? 
????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ???? 
?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 
? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?

? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ? ???????? 
????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????????? ? 
??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.

https://aws.amazon.com/peering/



On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:

> ?????? ????!
>
> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ???? 
> "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> ? ???????? ???????????????? ????? ? AWS ?? ???????????? ?????? ISP 
> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
>
> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua 
> <mailto:netch at netch.kiev.ua>> ????:
>
>     hi,
>
>     ?Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog]
>     ?? ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
>
>     > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100
>     ????/? ?
>     > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ?
>     ???? ? ???
>     > ????? ? ??????.
>     >
>     > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
>
>     ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
>     ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
>
>
>     -netch-
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
>
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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 13:31:05 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 13:31:05 +0300
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??????? ???!

????? ?? ???"???????, ?????.
? ???? ?? ??? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ????????. ? ?? ???? ??????. ?..?
??.

? ?? - ? ???? ???? ???? "?? ??, ???? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?????
????-??????" ? ?? ?????? 100-150 ????/??? ?? 300-??i????? ?????i?
??????? ????? ???????-??????? - ??? ??. 2,8-3,0 ?????/???. ? ???? ????????
4-7 ?????? ????????? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????????.


??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 12:53 Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> ????:

> ????,
>
> AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ???? ???????
> ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ????
> ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 ?
> IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
>
> ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ? ????????
> ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????????? ?
> ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
>
>
>
> On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
>
> ?????? ????!
>
> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ???? "??????????
> ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP
> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
>
>
> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
>
>> hi,
>>
>>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ??
>> ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
>>
>> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100 ????/? ?
>> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ???? ?
>> ???
>> > ????? ? ??????.
>> >
>> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
>>
>> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
>> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
>>
>>
>> -netch-
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Mon Oct  4 13:32:15 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 13:32:15 +0300
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> On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
> 
> ????,
> 
> AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ???? ??????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 ? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
> 
> ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
> 
> https://aws.amazon.com/peering/

? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?? S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????, 
?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)

> 
> 
> 
> On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> 
>> ?????? ????!
>> 
>> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ???? "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
>> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
>>  
>> 
>> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
>> hi,
>> 
>>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ?? ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????": 
>> 
>> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100 ????/? ?
>> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ???? ? ???
>> > ????? ? ??????.
>> > 
>> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
>> 
>> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
>> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
>> 
>> 
>> -netch-
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> /oleh hrynchuk
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
>> 
>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 13:38:01 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 13:38:01 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KbQtSDQu9C40YjQtSDQsiDQvNC10L3QtSDRgtCw0Lo=?=
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? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ?????????? ???????????.
? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.


??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:

>
>
> > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
> >
> > ????,
> >
> > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ???? ???????
> ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ????
> ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 ?
> IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
> >
> > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ? ????????
> ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????????? ?
> ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
> >
> > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
>
> ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??
> S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????,
> ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> >
> >> ?????? ????!
> >>
> >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ????
> "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP
> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
> >>
> >>
> >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
> >> hi,
> >>
> >>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ??
> ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
> >>
> >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100 ????/? ?
> >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ???? ?
> ???
> >> > ????? ? ??????.
> >> >
> >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
> >>
> >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
> >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
> >>
> >>
> >> -netch-
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> /oleh hrynchuk
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> uanog mailing list
> >>
> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
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> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
> --
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> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
>
>
>
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Mon Oct  4 16:28:10 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 16:28:10 +0300
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hi,

 Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 13:32:15, tasic wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?? ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????": 

> > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
> 
> ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?? S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????, 
> ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)

??? ??????????? :)
1) ?? ???????? ???? ??????? ? 2) ?? ????? ?? AWS :)


-netch-

From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 15:57:44 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:57:44 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0KbQtSDQu9C40YjQtSDQsiDQvNC10L3QtSDRgtCw0Lo=?=
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?????? ????.

??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? GChat. ??, ??,
??????? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? (????????? ?????).
?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?? ??. ?????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????????. ? ??????????
????? ?? ????, ?? ?? ? ?????.
?? ???? ? ??? ????

P.S. ????????? ???? ?p?????? ?? ?????????.


??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:38 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:

> ? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
> ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ??????????
> ???????????. ? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.
>
>
> ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
>
>>
>>
>> > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > ????,
>> >
>> > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ???? ???????
>> ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ????
>> ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 ?
>> IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
>> >
>> > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ?
>> ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ????
>> ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
>> >
>> > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
>>
>> ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??
>> S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????,
>> ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
>> >
>> >> ?????? ????!
>> >>
>> >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ????
>> "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
>> >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP
>> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ??
>> ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
>> >>
>> >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100 ????/?
>> ?
>> >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ????
>> ? ???
>> >> > ????? ? ??????.
>> >> >
>> >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
>> >>
>> >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
>> >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -netch-
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >> /oleh hrynchuk
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> uanog mailing list
>> >>
>> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > uanog mailing list
>> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>
>> --
>> Taras Heichenko
>> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
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> Regards,
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>


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?? ???? ??? ????????... :(



??, 5 ????. 2021 ? 15:57 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:

> ?????? ????.
>
> ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? GChat. ??,
> ??, ??????? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? (????????? ?????).
> ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?? ??. ?????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????????. ?
> ?????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ?? ? ?????.
> ?? ???? ? ??? ????
>
> P.S. ????????? ???? ?p?????? ?? ?????????.
>
>
> ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:38 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
>
>> ? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
>> ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ??????????
>> ???????????. ? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.
>>
>>
>> ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ????,
>>> >
>>> > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ????
>>> ??????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????
>>> ???? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ??
>>> Tier1 ? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
>>> >
>>> > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ?
>>> ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ????
>>> ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
>>> >
>>> > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
>>>
>>> ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??
>>> S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????,
>>> ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> ?????? ????!
>>> >>
>>> >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ????
>>> "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
>>> >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP
>>> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua>
>>> ????:
>>> >> hi,
>>> >>
>>> >>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ??
>>> ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
>>> >>
>>> >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100
>>> ????/? ?
>>> >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ????
>>> ? ???
>>> >> > ????? ? ??????.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
>>> >>
>>> >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
>>> >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -netch-
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> /oleh hrynchuk
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> uanog mailing list
>>> >>
>>> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>>> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > uanog mailing list
>>> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>>> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>>
>>> --
>>> Taras Heichenko
>>> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> uanog mailing list
>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> /oleh hrynchuk
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
>


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> On 5 Oct 2021, at 17:21, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?? ???? ??? ????????... :(

?? ??, ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??... https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/

> 
> 
> ??, 5 ????. 2021 ? 15:57 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> ?????? ????.
> 
> ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? GChat. ??, ??, ??????? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? (????????? ?????).
> ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?? ??. ?????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????????. ? ?????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ?? ? ?????.
> ?? ???? ? ??? ????
> 
> P.S. ????????? ???? ?p?????? ?? ?????????.
> 
> 
> ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:38 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> ? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
> ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ?????????? ???????????. ? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.
> 
> 
> ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> 
> 
> > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ????,
> > 
> > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ???? ??????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 ? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
> > 
> > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
> > 
> > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
> 
> ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?? S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????, 
> ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> > 
> >> ?????? ????!
> >> 
> >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ???? "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
> >>  
> >> 
> >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
> >> hi,
> >> 
> >>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ?? ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????": 
> >> 
> >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100 ????/? ?
> >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ???? ? ???
> >> > ????? ? ??????.
> >> > 
> >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
> >> 
> >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
> >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -netch-
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Regards,
> >> /oleh hrynchuk
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> uanog mailing list
> >> 
> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > _______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> 
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
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??? ?? ? "on the morning of February 28th, 2017"

??, 6 ????. 2021 ? 19:57 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:

>
>
> > On 5 Oct 2021, at 17:21, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?? ???? ??? ????????... :(
>
> ?? ??, ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??... https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/
>
> >
> >
> > ??, 5 ????. 2021 ? 15:57 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> > ?????? ????.
> >
> > ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? GChat. ??,
> ??, ??????? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? (????????? ?????).
> > ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?? ??. ?????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????????. ?
> ?????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ?? ? ?????.
> > ?? ???? ? ??? ????
> >
> > P.S. ????????? ???? ?p?????? ?? ?????????.
> >
> >
> > ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:38 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> > ? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
> > ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ??????????
> ???????????. ? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.
> >
> >
> > ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > ????,
> > >
> > > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ????
> ??????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????
> ???? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ??
> Tier1 ? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
> > >
> > > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ?
> ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ????
> ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
> > >
> > > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
> >
> > ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ??
> S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????,
> > ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> > >
> > >> ?????? ????!
> > >>
> > >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ????
> "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> > >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP
> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua>
> ????:
> > >> hi,
> > >>
> > >>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ??
> ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
> > >>
> > >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100
> ????/? ?
> > >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ????
> ? ???
> > >> > ????? ? ??????.
> > >> >
> > >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
> > >>
> > >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
> > >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -netch-
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >> /oleh hrynchuk
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> uanog mailing list
> > >>
> > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > uanog mailing list
> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> >
> > --
> > Taras Heichenko
> > tasic at academ.kiev.ua
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk
> > <111.jpg>_______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
>
>
>
>

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> On 7 Oct 2021, at 08:01, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ??? ?? ? "on the morning of February 28th, 2017"

? ????. :) ?????????? ???????? ????????? ????. ????? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ??? ??, ??
?? ? ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ??????????. ?????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????????? ???????.

> 
> ??, 6 ????. 2021 ? 19:57 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> 
> 
> > On 5 Oct 2021, at 17:21, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?? ???? ??? ????????... :(
> 
> ?? ??, ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??... https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/
> 
> > 
> > 
> > ??, 5 ????. 2021 ? 15:57 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> > ?????? ????.
> > 
> > ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? GChat. ??, ??, ??????? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? (????????? ?????).
> > ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?? ??. ?????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????????. ? ?????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ?? ? ?????.
> > ?? ???? ? ??? ????
> > 
> > P.S. ????????? ???? ?p?????? ?? ?????????.
> > 
> > 
> > ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:38 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> > ? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
> > ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ?????????? ???????????. ? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.
> > 
> > 
> > ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> > 
> > 
> > > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > ????,
> > > 
> > > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ???? ??????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 ? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
> > > 
> > > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
> > > 
> > > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
> > 
> > ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ?????? ?? S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????, 
> > ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> > > 
> > >> ?????? ????!
> > >> 
> > >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ???? "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> > >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
> > >> hi,
> > >> 
> > >>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog] ?? ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????": 
> > >> 
> > >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100 ????/? ?
> > >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ? ???? ? ???
> > >> > ????? ? ??????.
> > >> > 
> > >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
> > >> 
> > >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
> > >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> -netch-
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> Regards,
> > >> /oleh hrynchuk
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> uanog mailing list
> > >> 
> > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > uanog mailing list
> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > 
> > --
> > Taras Heichenko
> > tasic at academ.kiev.ua
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk
> > <111.jpg>_______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> 
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk

--
Taras Heichenko
tasic at academ.kiev.ua






From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 10:44:10 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:44:10 +0300
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???? ????? ????"?????? ???? ?????? ? ?????????.
? ??? ?????? ?? ????? 8-)


??, 7 ????. 2021 ? 09:19 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:

>
>
> > On 7 Oct 2021, at 08:01, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ??? ?? ? "on the morning of February 28th, 2017"
>
> ? ????. :) ?????????? ???????? ????????? ????. ????? ???????? ??? ????
> ???????? ??? ??, ??
> ?? ? ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ??????????. ?????? ????? ????? ??? ?????
> ????????? ???????.
>
> >
> > ??, 6 ????. 2021 ? 19:57 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> >
> >
> > > On 5 Oct 2021, at 17:21, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?? ???? ??? ????????... :(
> >
> > ?? ??, ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??... https://aws.amazon.com/message/41926/
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ??, 5 ????. 2021 ? 15:57 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> > > ?????? ????.
> > >
> > > ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? GChat.
> ??, ??, ??????? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? (????????? ?????).
> > > ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?? ??. ?????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????????. ?
> ?????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ?? ? ?????.
> > > ?? ???? ? ??? ????
> > >
> > > P.S. ????????? ???? ?p?????? ?? ?????????.
> > >
> > >
> > > ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:38 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> > > ? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
> > > ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ??????????
> ???????????. ? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.
> > >
> > >
> > > ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ????,
> > > >
> > > > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...) ????
> ??????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????
> ???? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? ! ? ????????? ??????????? ??
> Tier1 ? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
> > > >
> > > > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ???? ???????? ?
> ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ?? ??????? ???? ????
> ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
> > > >
> > > > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
> > >
> > > ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ????????????? ??????
> ?? S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????,
> > > ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> ?????? ????!
> > > >>
> > > >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ? ????
> "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
> > > >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ISP
> (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua>
> ????:
> > > >> hi,
> > > >>
> > > >>  Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "[uanog]
> ?? ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
> > > >>
> > > >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ????????? 100
> ????/? ?
> > > >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300 ????/?. ?
> ???? ? ???
> > > >> > ????? ? ??????.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
> > > >>
> > > >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ? ???? ????
> > > >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ?????????? ??????...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -netch-
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> /oleh hrynchuk
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> uanog mailing list
> > > >>
> > > >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > >
> > > --
> > > Taras Heichenko
> > > tasic at academ.kiev.ua
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > uanog mailing list
> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > /oleh hrynchuk
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > /oleh hrynchuk
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > /oleh hrynchuk
> > > <111.jpg>_______________________________________________
> > > uanog mailing list
> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> >
> > --
> > Taras Heichenko
> > tasic at academ.kiev.ua
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > /oleh hrynchuk
>
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Regards,
/oleh hrynchuk
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From doka at funlab.cc  Thu Oct  7 11:08:16 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
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Offtopic: ? ????? ?????????? Mattermost (self-hosted) ??? ??????? ?????. 
???? ???? ??? ?????? - ????????? ???????? ?? ???? ???? *???????* ???-??????.

???? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?????? - ???? ???? ?????? ??????????? ? ZFS; 
? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ???????? rdfind, ???? ??????? kind of 
deduplication. ????, ?????????, ????????? ? ??????? 2/4/40 ?? EUR5/month 
??? ?????? ??? ?????????? ????? ? ?????? ????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????? 
?????? ???? ? ?????? ????, ??????, ?????????, ?????, ?????? ?? ???? ? 
?????? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? 40% ????????? ????????.

On 05.10.2021 15:57, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> ?????? ????.
>
> ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????? ? GChat. 
> ??, ??, ??????? ???? ??????????? ??? ????? (????????? ?????).
> ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ?? ??. ?????? ????. ??????? ?? ?????????. ? 
> ?????????? ????? ?? ????, ?? ?? ? ?????.
> ?? ???? ? ??? ????
>
> P.S. ????????? ???? ?p?????? ?? ?????????.
>
>
> ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:38 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
>
>     ? ??????? ??? ?? 23.09.
>     ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????. ? ?????? ??????????
>     ???????????. ? ? ????????? (???????? ?????) ????? ?????? ??????????.
>
>
>     ??, 4 ????. 2021 ? 13:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
>
>
>
>         > On 4 Oct 2021, at 12:53, Oles Girniak <oles at uar.net> wrote:
>         >
>         > ????,
>         >
>         > AWS (? ??? ????? CDN ????? - Google, Facebook, Akamai,...)
>         ???? ??????? ????? ????????, ? ?????? ?? ?? (AWS) ????? ??????
>         ???? ??? ??????? ???? ?????????, ? ?? ????????? ??????????? !
>         ? ????????? ??????????? ?? Tier1 ? IX?? ?????? ??????, ?? ??
>         ??? ??? ?? ?????? ?
>         >
>         > ? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? AWS, ???????? ????
>         ???????? ? ???????? ????? ????????????? ?????????, ? ??, ??
>         ??????? ???? ???? ??????????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????? ???
>         ?? ??????, ??????????? ?????.
>         >
>         > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/
>
>         ? ??? ???? ???, ?? ???? ?????, ???? ???????? ?? ?????????????
>         ?????? ?? S3. ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????,
>         ?? ?????? ???? ????????? ??????????. :)
>
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > On 30.09.2021 8:10, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
>         >
>         >> ?????? ????!
>         >>
>         >> ????? ??? ISP ??????, ?? ???????? ?????????? ?????????. ?
>         ???? "?????????? ?? ?????????????? ISP".
>         >> ? ???????? ??????? ???????? ????? ? AWS ?? ??????? ????
>         ?????? ISP (LAN-NET ?? UARNet) - ?? ???? ?????????? ???????.
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> ??, 29 ???. 2021 ? 17:25 Valentin Nechayev
>         <netch at netch.kiev.ua> ????:
>         >> hi,
>         >>
>         >>? Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 17:07:02, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about
>         "[uanog] ?? ???? ? ???? ???? ?????????????":
>         >>
>         >> > ?? 300-???????? ?????? rsync over ssh ??????? ? ?????????
>         100 ????/? ?
>         >> > ??????? ? ????? (???????? ??????? ??????) ?? 100-300
>         ????/?. ? ???? ? ???
>         >> > ????? ? ??????.
>         >> >
>         >> > ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? MTU...
>         >>
>         >> ?? MTU ???????? ?????????? - ????????? ? ???? ?????. ??? ?
>         ???? ????
>         >> ?? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ????? ????? ?? ??????????
>         ??????...
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> -netch-
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> --
>         >> Regards,
>         >> /oleh hrynchuk
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> _______________________________________________
>         >> uanog mailing list
>         >>
>         >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>         >> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > uanog mailing list
>         > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>         > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
>         --
>         Taras Heichenko
>         tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
>
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         uanog mailing list
>         uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>         https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Regards,
>     /oleh hrynchuk
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
>
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 16:09:32 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:09:32 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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https://stallman.org/
???.

?? ??? ???"????? ? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ???????? ???? ??
??????.
???? ???????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????????...

-- 
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/oleh hrynchuk
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Tue Oct 12 19:06:45 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 18:06:45 +0200
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????? ?? ????????? ??, ?? ?????? ??? ????????, ??? ?????? ? ????:
1) "Join a Friday climate strike" ? ? ??? ?? ????? ???: Talks in Ukraine, Poland, France - ???? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ?? ??????, ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????????? Zoom, ? _?????_ ????? _??????_ ?? ??????
2) ??? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ? ??????????? ??? "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) ... promote computer user freedom? ? ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? _?????_ _??????_ ? ??????? ???????? ????? ??????, ?? ?? ????? ? ??????? ????? "Everyone: Thank President Biden for expanding vaccine requirements to 100+ million Americans"

? ?? ??? climat change denial, ? ?? ??? anti-vax movement - ? ??? ????????? ? ???? ?????????: ? ??????? ?? ?? ??, ?? ???? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????? 30-40?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ????? _????????????_ ????? ???? ?? ?? ????. ?????, ??? ?? ?????!

??????
On 9 Oct 2021, 15:10 +0200, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
> https://stallman.org/
> ???.
>
> ?? ??? ???"??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ???????? ???? ?? ??????.
> ???? ????????????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????????...
>
> --
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk
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From sm at netartgroup.com  Tue Oct 12 19:11:27 2021
From: sm at netartgroup.com (Sergey Myasoedov)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 18:11:27 +0200
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Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 18:06:45, you wrote:
MT> 1) "Join a Friday climate strike" ? ? ??? ?? ????? ???: Talks in
MT> Ukraine, Poland, France - ???? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ?? ??????,
MT> ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????????? Zoom, ? _?????_ ????? _??????_ ?? ??????

Zoom-??????? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ?????
?????? ?? ????????. ???? ????? ??????????? ????? ???????? ?????????.


--
Sergey




From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 12 19:14:34 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 19:14:34 +0300
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> On 12 Oct 2021, at 19:06, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ????? ?? ????????? ??, ?? ?????? ??? ????????, ??? ?????? ? ????:
> 1) "Join a Friday climate strike" ? ? ??? ?? ????? ???: Talks in Ukraine, Poland, France - ???? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ?? ??????, ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????????? Zoom, ? _?????_ ????? _??????_ ?? ??????
> 2) ??? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ? ??????????? ??? "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) ... promote computer user freedom? ? ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? _?????_ _??????_ ? ??????? ???????? ????? ??????, ?? ?? ????? ? ??????? ????? "Everyone: Thank President Biden for expanding vaccine requirements to 100+ million Americans"

? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????????.

> 
> ? ?? ??? climat change denial, ? ?? ??? anti-vax movement - ? ??? ????????? ? ???? ?????????: ? ??????? ?? ?? ??, ?? ???? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????? 30-40?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ????? _????????????_ ????? ???? ?? ?? ????. ?????, ??? ?? ?????!
> 
> ??????
> On 9 Oct 2021, 15:10 +0200, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
>> https://stallman.org/
>> ???.
>> 
>> ?? ??? ???"????? ? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ???????? ???? ?? ??????.
>> ???? ???????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????????...
>> 
>> --
>> Regards,
>> /oleh hrynchuk
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> _______________________________________________
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> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog

--
Taras Heichenko
tasic at academ.kiev.ua






From maksym at tulyuk.com  Tue Oct 12 21:36:57 2021
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:36:57 +0200
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? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ? ????????? ?????????-?????????, ??? ?? ??????? ???? ??????????? ???????????? - ????? ??? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ??????; ??? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ?? _????????_ ?? ?????, ? ????? ? ?????? ???? ??????: "Urgent: Block new oil and gas wells - US citizens: call on Gov. Newsom and President Biden to block new oil and gas wells and other fossil fuel infrastructure"

?? ? ?????, ?? ????????? ????????? ????? ?? ????????-???????"

??????
On 12 Oct 2021, 18:14 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 12 Oct 2021, at 19:06, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > ????? ?? ????????? ??, ?? ?????? ??? ????????, ??? ?????? ? ????:
> > 1) "Join a Friday climate strike" ? ? ??? ?? ????? ???: Talks in Ukraine, Poland, France - ???? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ?? ??????, ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????????? Zoom, ? _?????_ ????? _??????_ ?? ??????
> > 2) ??? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ? ??????????? ??? "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) ... promote computer user freedom? ? ? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? _?????_ _??????_ ? ??????? ???????? ????? ??????, ?? ?? ????? ? ??????? ????? "Everyone: Thank President Biden for expanding vaccine requirements to 100+ million Americans"
>
> ? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????????.
>
> >
> > ? ?? ??? climat change denial, ? ?? ??? anti-vax movement - ? ??? ????????? ? ???? ?????????: ? ??????? ?? ?? ??, ?? ???? ???????, ??? ???? ?????????? 30-40?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ????? _????????????_ ????? ???? ?? ?? ????. ?????, ??? ?? ?????!
> >
> > ??????
> > On 9 Oct 2021, 15:10 +0200, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > https://stallman.org/
> > > ???.
> > >
> > > ?? ??? ???"????? ? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????? ????????? ???????? ???? ?? ??????.
> > > ???? ???????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????????...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > /oleh hrynchuk
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > uanog mailing list
> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > _______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
>
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From doka at funlab.cc  Tue Oct 12 21:45:31 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 21:45:31 +0300
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On 12.10.2021 19:06, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> 2) ??? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ? ??????????? ??? "The Free Software 
> Foundation (FSF) ... promote computer user freedom? ? ? ??? ?? ????? 
> ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? _?????_ _??????_ ? 
> ??????? ???????? ????? ??????, ?? ?? ????? ? ??????? ????? "Everyone: 
> Thank President Biden for expanding vaccine requirements to 100+ 
> million Americans"

?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" - 
???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ??? 
?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ?????????? 
?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? 
???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".

??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ?? ?????? 
??? ????????? ????????????????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Tue Oct 12 22:21:43 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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??????,

?????? ??????????. ???? (??? ????? ????) ?????? ??????????? - ??? ?tax free vacation?. ????? ???????? ????? ??????: ?? ????? ???????, ????? ? 5 ???????? - ??? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???? ???https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/calendar?? ????????, ??? ????????! ?? LACNIC ? ???????? ? ??? ???????, ?? ?? IETF ? ??????? ? ?????? ?????. ? ????? ???????? - MPLS/DNS/IPv6/EVPN/etc

?? ????? ??????: ?.?. ??? ???????-???????? ?? ??? ??????? (???????/?????/????????/?????) ????? ??????? _??_ ??????? ???? ???????. ? ???? ????? ?????, ???? ? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ????? IEFT ???????????, ?? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????????.

???? ??????????? ? ???????, ?? ????? ??????????: ICAAN in San Juan, NANOG in Austin, IETF in Bangkok, RIPE in Berlin, ENOG in Moscow, etc. ???????????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????? ???????? ???? - ??? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ???????. ???????? ?????????? :)

?? ??? ??? ???????????, ??? "Zoom-??????? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????. ???? ????? ??????????? ????? ???????? ????????????? ??? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????????? IETF/RIPE/NANOC/ICAAN??? ????????? ??????????? ??????? ????? ???? ? ?????? ?? ???? ????????, ??????? ?? ???????? ? ???????? ? ?????

P.S. ?????????, ?-? ???????? ??? ? ???????/??????/??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ?????? (??? ??????? ????? ?? ???????) ??? ??? member of board of FSF ? ??? ???? tax deductible?

??????
On 12 Oct 2021, 18:11 +0200, Sergey Myasoedov <sm at netartgroup.com>, wrote:
>
> Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 18:06:45, you wrote:
> MT> 1) "Join a Friday climate strike" ? ? ??? ?? ????? ???: Talks in
> MT> Ukraine, Poland, France - ???? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ?? ??????,
> MT> ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????????? Zoom, ? _?????_ ????? _??????_ ?? ??????
>
> Zoom-??????? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ?????
> ?????? ?? ????????. ???? ????? ??????????? ????? ???????? ?????????.
>
>
> --
> Sergey
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> uanog mailing list
> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
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From sm at netartgroup.com  Tue Oct 12 23:47:41 2021
From: sm at netartgroup.com (Sergey Myasoedov)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 22:47:41 +0200
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??????,
???????????? ????, ?? ?? ?? ??????????, ??? ??????????? ??????? ???????????, ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????? ????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ? ????????? EBITDA, ??? ????? ? ???? ???? ???-?? ??????.

????? ? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ??????????? ?????????????? ?????? ???????? ??????????, ???? ?? ????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????. ??????????? ????? ?????????? ?????, ??????? ??????? ??? ???????, ???? ?????? ??????????.

> ?? ??? ??? ???????????, ??? "Zoom-??????? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????. ???? ????? ??????????? ????? ???????? ????????????? ??? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????????? IETF/RIPE/NANOC/ICAAN  ? ????????? ??????????? ??????? ????? ???? ? ?????? ?? ???? ????????, ??????? ?? ???????? ? ???????? ? ?????

?????? ?????? ?????????? ???????????, ? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ???????? ??? ????. ? ???? ??? ???? ???? ? ????????????. ? ??? ??????? ?????? ???????? - ???? ??? ??????? ???????? ? ??????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ????????.

> ?? LACNIC ? ???????? ? ??? ???????, ?? ?? IETF ? ??????? ? ?????? ?????. ? ????? ???????? - MPLS/DNS/IPv6/EVPN/etc
> ???? ??????????? ? ???????, ?? ????? ??????????: ICAAN in San Juan, NANOG in Austin, IETF in Bangkok, RIPE in Berlin, ENOG in Moscow, etc.
> ???????????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????? ???????? ???? - ??? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ???????. ???????? ?????????? :)


????? ????, ?? ? ???? ???? ??? ???????????, ????? NANOG ? ???????? ????????????.

?????????, ??? ? ?????? ? ?????? ????? ?????? - ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????-???????, ? ??????????? ??? ?? ??????????? ????????? ???????????, ??? ?????? ????? ???????? ????????/????????? ??????????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ????????. ???, ??? ? ?????????, ? ??????????. ? ??? ???????? ???????? - ?????? ??? ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ? IETF, ??? ? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? e-mail, ? ? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ???????.


--
Sergey

> On 12 Oct 2021, at 21:21, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ?????? ??????????. ???? (??? ????? ????) ?????? ??????????? - ??? ?tax free vacation?. ????? ???????? ????? ??????: ?? ????? ???????, ????? ? 5 ???????? - ??? ????? ???????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???? ?? https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/calendar ? ????????, ??? ????????! ?? LACNIC ? ???????? ? ??? ???????, ?? ?? IETF ? ??????? ? ?????? ?????. ? ????? ???????? - MPLS/DNS/IPv6/EVPN/etc
> 
> ?? ????? ??????: ?.?. ??? ???????-???????? ?? ??? ??????? (???????/?????/????????/?????) ????? ??????? _??_ ??????? ???? ???????. ? ???? ????? ?????, ???? ? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ??? ????? IEFT ???????????, ?? ??????? ? ??????? ????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????????.
> 
> ???? ??????????? ? ???????, ?? ????? ??????????: ICAAN in San Juan, NANOG in Austin, IETF in Bangkok, RIPE in Berlin, ENOG in Moscow, etc. ???????????? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????? ???????? ???? - ??? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ??? ?? ???????. ???????? ?????????? :)
> 
> ?? ??? ??? ???????????, ??? "Zoom-??????? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????. ???? ????? ??????????? ????? ???????? ????????????? ??? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????????? IETF/RIPE/NANOC/ICAAN  ? ????????? ??????????? ??????? ????? ???? ? ?????? ?? ???? ????????, ??????? ?? ???????? ? ???????? ? ?????
> 
> P.S. ?????????, ?-? ???????? ??? ? ???????/??????/??????? ?? ???? ?????????? ?????? (??? ??????? ????? ?? ???????) ??? ??? member of board of FSF ? ??? ???? tax deductible?
> 
> ??????
> On 12 Oct 2021, 18:11 +0200, Sergey Myasoedov <sm at netartgroup.com>, wrote:
>> 
>> Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 18:06:45, you wrote:
>> MT> 1) "Join a Friday climate strike" ? ? ??? ?? ????? ???: Talks in
>> MT> Ukraine, Poland, France - ???? ??? ???????? ????? ????? ?? ??????,
>> MT> ?? ???? ??? ?? ???????????? Zoom, ? _?????_ ????? _??????_ ?? ??????
>> 
>> Zoom-??????? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ?????
>> ?????? ?? ????????. ???? ????? ??????????? ????? ???????? ?????????.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sergey
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> _______________________________________________
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> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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From edigarov at qarea.com  Wed Oct 13 00:14:46 2021
From: edigarov at qarea.com (Gregory Edigarov)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 00:14:46 +0300
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 21:45:31 +0300
Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> wrote:

> On 12.10.2021 19:06, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > 2) ??? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ? ??????????? ??? "The Free
> > Software Foundation (FSF) ... promote computer user freedom? ? ?
> > ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ??????
> > _?????_ _??????_ ? ??????? ???????? ????? ??????, ?? ?? ????? ?
> > ??????? ????? "Everyone: Thank President Biden for expanding
> > vaccine requirements to 100+ million Americans"  
> 
> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" - 
> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ??? 
> ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ?????????? 
> ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
> ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
> 
> ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
> ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
> 

??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????  

From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 07:33:04 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 07:33:04 +0300
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?? ????.
?? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ?????.

??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 00:15 Gregory Edigarov <edigarov at qarea.com> ????:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 21:45:31 +0300
> Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> wrote:
>
> > On 12.10.2021 19:06, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > 2) ??? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ? ??????????? ??? "The Free
> > > Software Foundation (FSF) ... promote computer user freedom? ? ?
> > > ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ??????
> > > _?????_ _??????_ ? ??????? ???????? ????? ??????, ?? ?? ????? ?
> > > ??????? ????? "Everyone: Thank President Biden for expanding
> > > vaccine requirements to 100+ million Americans"
> >
> > ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
> > ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
> > ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
> > ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
> > ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
> >
> > ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
> > ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
> >
>
> ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
> ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
> ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????
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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 08:04:12 2021
From: oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com (Oleh Hrynchuk)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:04:12 +0300
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?? ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????? ?? ???? ? ?????? ???? ? ??????
???? ????? ?? ?????????..
?? ????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ???, ?? ???? ???????????, ?? ????? ??
???????...

??????, ? ??? ????????? ?????? ??, ??? ???????? ??????? ???????? ??????
???????? ? ?????.


??, 12 ????. 2021 ? 21:45 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:

>
> On 12.10.2021 19:06, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>
> 2) ??? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ? ??????????? ??? "The Free Software
> Foundation (FSF) ... promote computer user freedom? ? ? ??? ?? ????? ???
> ??? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ???? ?????? _?????_ _??????_ ? ???????
> ???????? ????? ??????, ?? ?? ????? ? ??????? ????? "Everyone: Thank
> President Biden for expanding vaccine requirements to 100+ million
> Americans"
>
> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ??? ??????????????
> ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ?????????? ?????????????? - ??
> ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ????? ????????????????
> ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
>
> ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ?? ??????
> ??? ????????? ????????????????.
>
> --
> Volodymyr Litovka
>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
> _______________________________________________
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 09:07:44 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 09:07:44 +0300
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hi,

 Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 07:33:04, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> > ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
> > ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
> > ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????
> ?? ????.
> ?? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ?????.

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?????????? ?????????? ? ????????? ???????? ? ???????????? ???????, ??
?? ?? ????? ?? ???????)

? ???????????? ???? ??????, ??? ????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????????
?????????? ??? ???????? ????????????? ?????????? (?? ???? ?????
??????????? ??????????????? ????? ?????????? ????? ?? ???????????
??????), ??? ????? ???? 80%, 90%, 99%... ?? ?? ??? ????? ???? 100%
??????????. ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ???-?? ? ?????? 80%. ?????????? ????
????????? ?????? ????????????.

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(????, ? ?? ??????????? ???? ??????, ?? ??????? ?????? ???????
???????? ??????? ?? ?????????. ????? - ??, ????? ???????? ?????????,
?? ??? ??????, ?? ????? ?????? ? ???... ???-?? ????? ???????.)


-netch-

From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 09:17:54 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 09:17:54 +0300
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hi,

 Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:04:12, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ?? ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????? ?? ???? ? ?????? ???? ? ??????
> ???? ????? ?? ?????????..
> ?? ????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ???, ?? ???? ???????????, ?? ????? ??
> ???????...

? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ?? ?? ????, ??
????????? ???? ???????, ????????? ?????????? ????-???? ?????????????,
??? ????? ??????? ????????? "?? ??????, ? ??? ??? ??????????" ? "?? ??
????????? ???? ????? (? ?? ????? ?????????), ? ???? ??? ??????? ????".

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????????? ?? ?????????"(c) (????????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? Ignore)
???????, ??? ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????.

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> ???????? ? ?????.

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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 09:24:02 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 09:24:02 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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 Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 22:47:41, sm wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ??????,
> ???????????? ????, ?? ?? ?? ??????????, ??? ??????????? ??????? ???????????, ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????????????? ????? ????????? ?? ???????? ???????? ? ????????? EBITDA, ??? ????? ? ???? ???? ???-?? ??????.
> 
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+100. ???????, ????? ?? ?????????, ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ????????? ;|

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:))
?????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ?
???????? ???????. ???, ???????, ? ???????????.

> ?????????, ??? ? ?????? ? ?????? ????? ?????? - ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ???????? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????-???????, ? ??????????? ??? ?? ??????????? ????????? ???????????, ??? ?????? ????? ???????? ????????/????????? ??????????? ???????? ??????? ? ?????? ????????. ???, ??? ? ?????????, ? ??????????. ? ??? ???????? ???????? - ?????? ??? ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ? IETF, ??? ? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ???????? ?? e-mail, ? ? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ???????.

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?????, ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ? ??????????? ????? ?????
??????, ?? ????? ?? ?????????...


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From doka at funlab.cc  Wed Oct 13 09:53:37 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 09:53:37 +0300
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On 13.10.2021 00:14, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
>> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
>> ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
>> ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
>> ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
>>
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>>
> ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
> ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
> ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????

??-?????, ? ?????? ?? ?????.

??-????? - ??????????, ?? ??????? ?????????????? ?????? ???? 5-10% ????? 
- ??? ? ?? ??????????! (?????? ? ??????? ????????????? ??????? 18 
????????? ????????? ?????????). ??????? 90% ??????????????? ????????? 
???????? ?? ???'??, ???? ??????? ???????????? ??, ??? ?? ???? 
????????????? ? ???????? ??????.

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???????? ???????????, ??? ?????? ????? ?? ??????????? ?? ???? ?? ??? 
?????? ??????????? ?? ????????. ?????, ?? ? ?? ?????, ??? ?? ???????? 
?????? :)

???? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????????. ??? 
??????? ??????? - ??? - ?? ???????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ?????. 
???????, ??????, ???????, ????????????; ???????? ? ??????????????, ????? 
??????? ???????? ???? - ???????? ????????, ????? - ????????; ?????????? 
????, ????? ???????????; ???????? ????? ??????????? ??????? ????????? 
??????? ?? ????????? ??????... ?????? - ?? ?????? ?? ???????? 30 ?????, 
? ? ?????????? 60-70; ?????? ????? ????????? ?? ???????? ??????; 
????????? ????? ?????????. ?????? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? 
?????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ???????, 
??????? - ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????? ???? ?????. ??, ???? ?????, 
???? ? ? ???????????? ?????? ????????, ??? ??????? ??????????????? - ??? 
? ??? ? ?? ??????????? ? ??????????? ????????. ???? ?? ????????? 
?????????? ?? ???????? ????? ? ?????. ?? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ?? 
???????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????????? ?? ??????? ?????? "??????? ?????"? 
? ???? ????? ?????? ????, ???? ????????????? ??? ??????????? ?????????? 
???????? ? - ?? ???????? ??????? - 72-73% ????????? (?? ????, ????? 
??????????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????).

????? ???... ?????, ? ??????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
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From doka at funlab.cc  Wed Oct 13 09:56:28 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 09:56:28 +0300
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?????,

?????????? ??? ?????? ??????. ?????.

On 13.10.2021 09:17, Valentin Nechayev wrote:
> hi,
>
>   Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:04:12, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...":
>
>> ?? ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????? ?? ???? ? ?????? ???? ? ??????
>> ???? ????? ?? ?????????..
>> ?? ????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ???, ?? ???? ???????????, ?? ????? ??
>> ???????...
> ? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ?? ?? ????, ??
> ????????? ???? ???????, ????????? ?????????? ????-???? ?????????????,
> ??? ????? ??????? ????????? "?? ??????, ? ??? ??? ??????????" ? "?? ??
> ????????? ???? ????? (? ?? ????? ?????????), ? ???? ??? ??????? ????".
>
> ?????? ??????????, ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??????? - "??? ????
> ????????? ?? ?????????"(c) (????????? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? Ignore)
> ???????, ??? ? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????.
>
>> ??????, ? ??? ????????? ?????? ??, ??? ???????? ??????? ???????? ??????
>> ???????? ? ?????.
> ?? ?????? 2020? ?? ???? ? ???? ???????? ??????, ? ?? ???????????????.
>
>
> -netch-
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 10:21:13 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:21:13 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
 =?utf-8?b?INC90LDRgNC+0LQg0LTQvtCx0YDQtSDQt9C90LDRlCDQoNGW0YfQsNGA0LQ=?=
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hi,

 Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 09:53:37, doka wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ?????? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?????, ?? ??????? ???????
> ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ???????, ??????? - ???????
> ????? ???????? ??????????? ???? ?????.

??? ?????????. ???????? ? ????, ?? ???, ???? ????, ?? ??????? ??????.
??????????????? ???????, ???????? ???????, ? ??? ????.
? ???? ? ????? ? ????????? ??? ??????. ??????? ???? - ?? ????, 1 ?
100000, ?? 10 ????????? ?????? ????? ????????, ????, 1 ? 1000000...
??? ?????? 0, ?? ??????????. ?? ???????, ???? ???????????, ?? ???????,
??? ????? ????? ??????? - ? ??? ?????? ?????????? ???????.
?????????, ????? 0.001% ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ? 1% ?????
???????? ?? ????? ???????. ??? ?? ???????
??????, ?? ?????????, ?? ?? ????????? ???????, ?? ???? ????? ????????
??????????, ????????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????????: ???????? (????????
?????? - ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?????, ?? ?????????? ???) ??
??????? (?????? ??? ?????). ????????? ???? ??????? (?? ????????, ???
??????? ????? ????????), ? ???? ???? ???????? ????? ???????.
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?? ???????? (?????? ?? ??????, ????????????, ?? ????). ???? ????????
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?????, ????, ???? ??????, ???? ?? ? ???????????? ??????? ?????????
?????? ???????????? ?????????...
?? ? ???? ??????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? "????????, 96% ??? ??
?????? ?????????", ? ??????? "??? ????? ????? ???????, ??????, ????
????????" (? ?? ??????? "?? ?????? ????????? ?????, ? ???????? ???
???? ???????" - ?? ???????? "????????? ?????????????" ??? ??????????
?????????? ????-??? ????? ? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?????
"??????") - ?? ????????? ?????????. ? ????????, ???? ????? ??????
????????? ? ????????? ???? ????????? - ???? ?? ??? ???? ????????????
?????????? (? ????? ?????? ? ?????????? ????????, ? ?? ???????????
?????, ???? ????? "????????????? ????????????" ???? ???? ???????????
??? ??????).

> ? ???? ????? ??????
> ????, ???? ????????????? ??? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? - ??
> ???????? ??????? - 72-73% ????????? (?? ????, ????? ???????????????
> ? ??????????? ?????????????).

???? ?? "? ???? ??" ? "?????? ?? ????".


-netch-

From doka at funlab.cc  Wed Oct 13 10:29:43 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:29:43 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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?? ??? ????? ?? ??????? ?? ???????????? ??????.

On 13.10.2021 10:21, Valentin Nechayev wrote:
> hi,
>
>   Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 09:53:37, doka wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...":
>
>> ?????? ??????? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?????, ?? ??????? ???????
>> ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ? ??????? ???????, ??????? - ???????
>> ????? ???????? ??????????? ???? ?????.
> ??? ?????????. ???????? ? ????, ?? ???, ???? ????, ?? ??????? ??????.
> ??????????????? ???????, ???????? ???????, ? ??? ????.
> ? ???? ? ????? ? ????????? ??? ??????. ??????? ???? - ?? ????, 1 ?
> 100000, ?? 10 ????????? ?????? ????? ????????, ????, 1 ? 1000000...
> ??? ?????? 0, ?? ??????????. ?? ???????, ???? ???????????, ?? ???????,
> ??? ????? ????? ??????? - ? ??? ?????? ?????????? ???????.
> ?????????, ????? 0.001% ????? ???????? ??? ??????? ? 1% ?????
> ???????? ?? ????? ???????. ??? ?? ???????
> ??????, ?? ?????????, ?? ?? ????????? ???????, ?? ???? ????? ????????
> ??????????, ????????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????????: ???????? (????????
> ?????? - ?????????? ?? ??????????? ?????, ?? ?????????? ???) ??
> ??????? (?????? ??? ?????). ????????? ???? ??????? (?? ????????, ???
> ??????? ????? ????????), ? ???? ???? ???????? ????? ???????.
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> ?????, ????, ???? ??????, ???? ?? ? ???????????? ??????? ?????????
> ?????? ???????????? ?????????...
> ?? ? ???? ??????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? "????????, 96% ??? ??
> ?????? ?????????", ? ??????? "??? ????? ????? ???????, ??????, ????
> ????????" (? ?? ??????? "?? ?????? ????????? ?????, ? ???????? ???
> ???? ???????" - ?? ???????? "????????? ?????????????" ??? ??????????
> ?????????? ????-??? ????? ? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?????
> "??????") - ?? ????????? ?????????. ? ????????, ???? ????? ??????
> ????????? ? ????????? ???? ????????? - ???? ?? ??? ???? ????????????
> ?????????? (? ????? ?????? ? ?????????? ????????, ? ?? ???????????
> ?????, ???? ????? "????????????? ????????????" ???? ???? ???????????
> ??? ??????).
>
>> ? ???? ????? ??????
>> ????, ???? ????????????? ??? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? - ??
>> ???????? ??????? - 72-73% ????????? (?? ????, ????? ???????????????
>> ? ??????????? ?????????????).
> ???? ?? "? ???? ??" ? "?????? ?? ????".
>
>
> -netch-

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 10:39:52 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:39:52 +0300
Subject: [uanog]
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Message-ID: <20211013073952.GE5646@death.kiev.ua>

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
> > ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" - 
> > ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ??? 
> > ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ?????????? 
> > ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
> > ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
> > ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
> > ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
> ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
> ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
> ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????  
???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
??????.
???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????. 

?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.

?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????. 
...
??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
?????. ???????? ??????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????
??? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????.

?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
??????.

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From doka at funlab.cc  Wed Oct 13 10:51:48 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:51:48 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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Message-ID: <85d612af-558b-690e-5efd-497b4c3ce2a3@funlab.cc>

????????? :-D

? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? 
????? ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, 
??????? ? 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"


On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>>> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
>>> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
>>> ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
>>> ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
>>> ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
>>> ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
>>> ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
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> ???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
> ??????.
> ???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
> ???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????.
>
> ?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
> ??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.
>
> ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
> ????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????.
> ...
> ??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
> ???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
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>
> ?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
> ??????.
>
> mbr,

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 11:05:22 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:05:22 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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Message-ID: <20211013080522.GL724@netch.kiev.ua>

 Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 20:36:57, maksym wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ? ????????? ?????????-?????????, ??? ?? ??????? ???? ??????????? ???????????? - ????? ??? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ??????; ??? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ?? _????????_ ?? ?????, ? ????? ? ?????? ???? ??????: "Urgent: Block new oil and gas wells - US citizens: call on Gov. Newsom and President Biden to block new oil and gas wells and other fossil fuel infrastructure"
> 
> ?? ? ?????, ?? ????????? ????????? ????? ?? ????????-???????"

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?? ?????????? ??????? ?? free source ??, ??? ????????? C/C++ ????
????????, ????? ??????????? ???-?? ???????????? ??? ?????" - ??
??????? "?????????? ????, ?????? ???????" (????? ???????? ?????? ?????
? ??????, ????? ?????). ?? ???? ???? ????????? ?????????? (??????????
??????????? 2000-?? ? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??????, ????? ?
????? ????????? openoffice, ? MS ????????? ???? ??????? ????????????
?????????? ??????) ??? ?? ??????????. ??????, ??, ??? ?? ?????????
"??????" ????????? (IETF + ???), ??? ???? ?????? ?? ????????.

? ?????? ???????, ???? ??, ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????????? ?????? ????
?? ? ???????? ????? core, ???? ???? "????? ??????" - ??? ???
??????????, ????? ??????? ????????? ??? ???????? ????. ?? ?? ??????
100% ????????? ? ?????, ? ??? ???????? ??????????... ??? ???????
?????? ????? ???????????, ????? ?? ??? ??? ????, ??? ????????
??????????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?????????? ??? ????????
???????????


-netch-

From alex at euro.net.ua  Wed Oct 13 11:09:23 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:09:23 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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References: <CAJWhN-pmc06Ntb9ZPFGaJbmiyr0cb6svQTKNhXZMobUjPw3HLg@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <576392845.20211013110923@euro.net.ua>

?????? !

Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 9:07:44 AM, Valentin Nechayev netch at netch.kiev.ua you wrote:
VN> ?? ? ???????? google://"?????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????".

????????  ?  ???,  ??? ???????? (????? ? ????????? ????????????? ????
?????)  ?????????  ???  ??????  :-)  ? ?????? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ?????
???? ?????.
?   ??????   ??????   ????   "???????"   ???????  50000  ???????  ????
(????????????????)  ??????? ??????????? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????????? ????
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?   ???????????   ???????????,   ??????   ???????  ?  ????????.  ?????
??????????? ?????? ??? ?????...

???  ???,  ????????  ? ???, ??? ???? ??????-?? ???? ??????? "?? ??????
?????????" :) ? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? ??????.

???????? - ??? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?????????.
?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ??? ????? ?????????,
?? ??? ???? "?????????? ??????????" ?? ???????? ????????!

???  ??  ???  ???  ??????,  ??, ?  ???  ????? ???????, mRNK , ??? ????? ??
??????????????   ?  ???????????  ?????????.  ??????  ??????  ???  ????
????????  ????????  ????  ?  ??????????, ? ????? ??????? ????? ?????
? ????? ???????.

?????????????????   ????   ??????????  ???????????  ??????  "?????  ??
??????????".  ??  ????: ?? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ?? ????????? ??
????????  ??  ?????  ????????  ?  ???  ??????????? - ????? ???????????
???????  ?????  ?????  ???????  ?  ??????  ?  ??????  ?? ?? ????? ????
??????????? ? ?????????? ? ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ????? ?
???? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????
?? ??? ??????? ??????????? ??? ???? ???? ?????!
????? ??? ? ????? ???????? ????, ??? ?????? ?????? ? ?????????.

???? ?????? ??????? ??????, ??? ????????? "?????????".


-- 
Best regards,
Alexander V Soroka       http://www.svr.ua/
AS106-RIPE
mailto:alex at euro.net.ua


From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 11:34:09 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:34:09 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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> On 13 Oct 2021, at 09:53, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> wrote:
> 
> 

Hi!
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> 
> ????? ???... ?????, ? ??????.
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??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:

> ????????? :-D
>
> ? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ?????
> ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ?
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>
>
> On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>
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>
> mbr,
>
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??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 11:09 Alexander V Soroka <alex at euro.net.ua> ????:

> ?????? !
>
> Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 9:07:44 AM, Valentin Nechayev
> netch at netch.kiev.ua you wrote:
> VN> ?? ? ???????? google://"?????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????".
>
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>
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??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 12:36 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
>
> ?? ?? ? ????? ???? ????????????? ??? ???? ? ??????, ????? ?? ???? ???????????? ????? ????"?...
>
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>
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>
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> ?, ?? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????-?????????, ?????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ????, ?? ?? ?????..
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
>>
>> ????????? :-D
>>
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>>
>>
>> On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>>
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> On 13 Oct 2021, at 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!

> 2. ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????????? ??????????. ?? ? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????: "???? ???? ??????! ? ???????????????? ?????????".

? ??? https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/371/bmj.m4058.full.pdf ????????????? ????????? ???????????. ????? ?? ?????????????

???, ?????????, ???????? ?? ???????
https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
??? ???????????
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Pfizer ?????? ?? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ????? ? ???? ????? ??????.

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> On 13 Oct 2021, at 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
> 
> ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????

?? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ??? ??. "???? ???????" ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????. ??? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ?
??????? ??? ???????????? ? ???? ???????????. ???? ???? ???????????? ?????? ??? ????????????? ????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????
????????????. ???? ??'??????? ????? ????, ?? ????????? ??????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ??, ?? ??????? ??????? ??????
? ??????? ????????? ??? ?? ????????????, ??? ??????? ? ??????? ???????? ?? ????, ????? ????? ??????? ???????? ????????? ???? ????? ??????.
?? ?? ???????, ??? ?? ???????, ?????? ???????????, ?????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ????????? ?????????? ?? 50%. ???? ??? ?????
?? ??????????? ??????????. ?? ???????? ??????????? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????????

> 
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??????!

??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 13:53 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:

>
>
> > On 13 Oct 2021, at 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ??
> ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ?
> ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ???????????
> ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
> >
> > ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??
> ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
>
> ?? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ??? ??. "???? ???????" ? ?????? ???????
> ???? ??????? ??? ?????????. ??? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ?
>

???. ????, ????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ? ????????? ? ????? ?????
??????? ?? ???????? ??? ????.
?????? ???????.


> ??????? ??? ???????????? ? ???? ???????????. ???? ???? ???????????? ??????
> ??? ????????????? ????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????
>

??? ????????? "???? ????, ?? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ? ????" - ?????
??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????????? :)

???????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??? ????????. ? ?? ???????,
?????, ? ?? ??? ????? ???????????. ??? ??????? ???? ??? "?????????
?????????".
???? ??, ?????????,
https://www.dec.gov.ua/wp-content/uploads/Conference/2020/6/section/9/s9f3.pdf
?? ? ??? https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline
????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????, ??? ??????? ????????? ??
???-???, ? ???? ?? ????? 25, ?? ?????????? ?????????? ? ?? ????
??????, ????????? ???????? ??, ?? ????????. ? ?????? ?????? ?????????
??????. ? ???????????? ????? ????????????????.
??? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? ???. ??? ????? ????? ??????????????.



> ????????????. ???? ??'??????? ????? ????, ?? ????????? ???????
> ???????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ??, ?? ??????? ??????? ??????
> ? ??????? ????????? ??? ?? ????????????, ??? ??????? ? ??????? ???????? ??
> ????, ????? ????? ??????? ???????? ????????? ???? ????? ??????.
> ?? ?? ???????, ??? ?? ???????, ?????? ???????????, ?????????? ??????????
> ???????, ?? ????????? ?????????? ?? 50%. ???? ??? ?????
> ?? ??????????? ??????????. ?? ???????? ??????????? ??????? ???????????? ?
> ??????? ????????
>
> >
> >
> > --
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>
>
>
>
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> On 13 Oct 2021, at 14:12, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ??????!
> 
> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 13:53 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> 
> 
> > On 13 Oct 2021, at 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
> > 
> > ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
> 
> ?? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ? ?? ??? ??. "???? ???????" ? ?????? ??????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????. ??? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ?
> 
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>  
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> 
> ??? ????????? "???? ????, ?? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ? ????" - ????? ??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????????? :)

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? ??? ????? ?????????? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ????????? ???? ??????? ???????. ??? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ???????????
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??? ? ?? ???????. ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??????.

> 
> ???????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??? ????????. ? ?? ???????, ?????, ? ?? ??? ????? ???????????. ??? ??????? ???? ??? "????????? ?????????".
> ???? ??, ?????????, https://www.dec.gov.ua/wp-content/uploads/Conference/2020/6/section/9/s9f3.pdf ?? ? ??? https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline
> ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????????, ??? ??????? ????????? ?? ???-???, ? ???? ?? ????? 25, ?? ?????????? ?????????? ? ?? ????
> ??????, ????????? ???????? ??, ?? ????????. ? ?????? ?????? ????????? ??????. ? ???????????? ????? ????????????????.
> ??? ??????, ??? ??????? ???????? ???. ??? ????? ????? ??????????????.

?? ? ??????? ? ????? 25 ????? ?? ???????????? ???????. ?? ?? ?????, ???????? ????????? ? ???????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????
??? ??????? ??????????. ?????? ?? ???? ??????? ? ???, ??? ?? ??? ?? ????????? ?? ??? ?????????.

> 
>  
> ????????????. ???? ??'??????? ????? ????, ?? ????????? ??????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ????? ??, ?? ??????? ??????? ??????
> ? ??????? ????????? ??? ?? ????????????, ??? ??????? ? ??????? ???????? ?? ????, ????? ????? ??????? ???????? ????????? ???? ????? ??????.
> ?? ?? ???????, ??? ?? ???????, ?????? ???????????, ?????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ????????? ?????????? ?? 50%. ???? ??? ?????
> ?? ??????????? ??????????. ?? ???????? ??????????? ??????? ???????????? ? ??????? ????????
> 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards,
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> /oleh hrynchuk

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From oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 15:47:45 2021
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??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 15:32 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:

>
>
> > On 13 Oct 2021, at 14:12, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ??????!
> >
> > ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 13:53 Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua> ????:
> >
> >
> > > On 13 Oct 2021, at 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ??
> ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ?
> ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ???????????
> ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
> > >
> > > ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??
> ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
> >
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> > ??? ????????? "???? ????, ?? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ? ????" - ?????
> ??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????????? :)
>
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>
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?????, ???? ???????????? ???? ????? ? ??????????, ????????????? ?????? ?
?????????? ???????. ? ??????????? ?? ?? ?????, ??????, ???? ?? ?????.

???? ??????-?????? ???? ?? ??????????? ????????????, ???????, ? ? ?????
??????????????????? ?? ???? ??????? ? ???????????? ???? ???? ????????? 8-)

? ??? ????? ??? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?? ?????... ? ? ????? ????? ????????
???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ????????... ????????, ?? ???? ???? ????????
????? :)


>
> > ???????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????? ??? ????????. ? ?? ???????,
> ?????, ? ?? ??? ????? ???????????. ??? ??????? ???? ??? "?????????
> ?????????".
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> >
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From alex at euro.net.ua  Wed Oct 13 16:05:35 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:05:35 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Regards,
>> > > /oleh hrynchuk
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > uanog mailing list
>> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>> >
>> > --
>> > Taras Heichenko
>> > tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > /oleh hrynchuk
>>
>> --
>> Taras Heichenko
>> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 16:08:28 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:08:28 +0300
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hi,

 Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:09:23, alex wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

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-netch-

From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 16:25:25 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:25:25 +0300
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> On 13 Oct 2021, at 15:47, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ??. ? ??????????? ??? _?????_??????????_?????. ???? ? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?? ????????? ??????? ??????. ??????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????. ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ? ????. ? ???? ???? ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????, ???? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????, ???? ???????????? ???? ????? ? ??????????, ????????????? ?????? ? ?????????? ???????. ? ??????????? ?? ?? ?????, ??????, ???? ?? ?????.
> 
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> 
> ? ??? ????? ??? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?? ?????... ? ? ????? ????? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ????????... ????????, ?? ???? ???? ???????? ????? :)
> 

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?????????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? 

> 
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> 
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From alex at euro.net.ua  Wed Oct 13 16:32:27 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:32:27 +0300
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Message-ID: <169451435.20211013163227@euro.net.ua>

?????? !

Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 4:08:28 PM, Valentin Nechayev netch at netch.kiev.ua you wrote:
VN>  Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:09:23, alex wrote about "Re: [uanog]
VN> ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 
VN>>> ?? ? ???????? google://"?????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????".

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>> >> > > _______________________________________________
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>> >> > /oleh hrynchuk
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Taras Heichenko
>> >> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>> >>
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>>
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>> Alexander V Soroka       http://www.svr.ua/
>> AS106-RIPE
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>>
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Alexander V Soroka       http://www.svr.ua/
AS106-RIPE
mailto:alex at euro.net.ua


From violent at death.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 13 17:00:33 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:00:33 +0300
Subject: [uanog]
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:36:03PM +0300, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
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-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Thu Oct 14 09:57:17 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:57:17 +0200
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????????,

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On 13 Oct 2021, 10:05 +0200, Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 20:36:57, maksym wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...":
>
> > ? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ? ????????? ?????????-?????????, ??? ?? ??????? ???? ??????????? ???????????? - ????? ??? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ??????; ??? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ?? _????????_ ?? ?????, ? ????? ? ?????? ???? ??????: "Urgent: Block new oil and gas wells - US citizens: call on Gov. Newsom and President Biden to block new oil and gas wells and other fossil fuel infrastructure"
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 14 16:21:43 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:21:43 +0300
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hi,

 Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 08:57:17, maksym wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ?-? ???????? ?????? ???? ???-?? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ?????????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?????

??, ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? :)
?? ? ???? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ????? ???.

> ? ???? ???? ??????? ? ???? ???????: ?????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? FSF, ? ????? _????_????_ ????????????? ? ??? ?????????? FSF, ??????? ????????? ???? ????? ??????????, ???? ??????????? ? ????? ???? ???????

???, ?? ???????. ? ?? ????????? ??????????, ?????? ???, ?????????? ??
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???? ??????? ?? ???), ?????? ????????? ????? ??????? ????????,
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From doka at funlab.cc  Thu Oct 14 19:49:10 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:49:10 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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On 13.10.2021 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? 
> ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????

?? ??? - ? ??? ?????????? ??????? (??????????), ???? ????? ?? ?????????????.

? ?? ????????? ?? ????? ?? ?????????????, ??? ?????????, ? ?????? 
???????, ?? ????????? ? ????????? ????????? (??? ??????????? ??????????? 
- ?? ?? ?????????? ???, ??? ?? ???? ????????????? ? ???????? ??????). 
?????, ??? ???? ???? ?????, ????????? ?????????? [??????] ?????.

??????, ???????????? - ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ????????? ????????? 
??????? ????????? ????????? "?????????? ??????????" ? ??????.

??? ? ????? ? ????, ?? ??????? ?? ??? ? ??????? ??? "????????? 
????????????????", ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ????? Open Source 
(??????????? ???????????? - ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????), ???? ????? ? 
????????? ????? (??? ??? ? ???????? ??????), ???? (??????? ?? ??????) 
"?????????? ?? ????????????" (????. "????????? ??????????" ??? 
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?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????????.

? ???????? ?? "????????????????? ?????????"? ?? - ? ???????, ???????? ?? 
????????? ??????. ???? ? ??????? ???? ????????? ?????????????? - ?????? 
??????????.


-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
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From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 14 21:27:27 2021
From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:27:27 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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?????????? (? 5G, ???).

13.10.21 10:39, Igor Grabin ????:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
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From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 14 21:31:42 2021
From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:31:42 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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mRNK ?????? ????? ? ????? ?????????????? ?????? ?????. ???? ????, 
??????? ??????.

?? ??????? ?????? - ???? ??????? ?????! ???????????????? ????? 
(????????? ???????, ?????????? ??? ???), mRNK, ????????? ??????? (??? ?? 
? ?? ?? ????, ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ????????????? ?????????).

13.10.21 11:09, Alexander V Soroka ????:
> ?????? !
> 
> Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 9:07:44 AM, Valentin Nechayev netch at netch.kiev.ua you wrote:
> VN> ?? ? ???????? google://"?????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????".
> 
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From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 14 21:35:17 2021
From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:35:17 +0300
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13.10.21 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk ????:
> ???? ????? ??????????). ???? ????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? 
> ??????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ????????, ?????????, ???, 
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> ????????? ???????? ??????

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Thu Oct 14 21:36:57 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:36:57 +0200
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???, ??? ????"????? ???? 80%, 90%, 99%? - ??? ????? ??? ??? 80% ??? 90% ??? 99% ! ? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????!.

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On 13 Oct 2021, 08:07 +0200, Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> hi,
>
> Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 07:33:04, oleh.hrynchuk wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...":
>
> > > ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
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>
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>
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> ??????????. ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ???-?? ? ?????? 80%. ?????????? ????
> ????????? ?????? ????????????.
>
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>
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> ?? ??? ??????, ?? ????? ?????? ? ???... ???-?? ????? ???????.)
>
>
> -netch-
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 14 21:40:36 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:40:36 +0300
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hi,

 Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 21:27:27, maxtul wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ??????-?? ????? ?? ?????????? ?????????: ???????? ??????? ?????? (??
> ??????, ?? ????? ?? ???????) ?? ???????? ? ??? ? ????????? ??????
> ?????????? (? 5G, ???).

???... ? ??? ?????? ?????? 5G? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????????


-netch-

From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 14 21:42:42 2021
From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:42:42 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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???????? ???? ????.

????????? "?????????? ??????? ??? ??????????". ????? ????? ???????? ? 
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?????????? ?????????????.

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???????????? ????????.

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???? ???? ?????????.

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13.10.21 15:47, Oleh Hrynchuk ????:
> ??. ? ??????????? ??? _?????_??????????_?????. ???? ? ?????????? ?? ?? 
> ?????????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?? ????????? ??????? ??????. ??????? 
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> 
> ???? ??????-?????? ???? ?? ??????????? ????????????, ???????, ? ? ????? 
> ??????????????????? ?? ???? ??????? ? ???????????? ???? ???? ????????? 8-)
> 
> ? ??? ????? ??? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?? ?????... ? ? ????? ????? 
> ???????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????? ????????... ????????, ?? ???? ???? 
> ???????? ????? :)

From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 14 21:44:00 2021
From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:44:00 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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??? ??!!!

13.10.21 16:05, Alexander V Soroka ????:
> ?????? !
> 
> Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 3:47:45 PM, Oleh Hrynchuk oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com you wrote:
> OH> ??. ? ??????????? ??? _?????_??????????_?????. ???? ? ?????????? ?? ??
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> 
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> 
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? The sample size?is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE?(mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
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? All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?. ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
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> > > --
> > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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??, 14 ????. 2021 ? 22:01 Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> ????:

> ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
>
>    - The sample size *is driven by the total number of cases to
>    demonstrate VE* (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ?
>    ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ?????????????
>    ?????????? ???????
>    - This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study
>    will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack
>    rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
>    - All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including
>    Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?.
>    ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ??????
>    ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
>    - Approximately 30,000 participants will be randomly assigned in 1:1
>    ratio to receive either mRNA-1273 100 ?g or placebo. - ??? ????????
>    ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????? "*will* be
>    randomly assigned? ? ? ?????? "*Approximately* 30,000 participants??
>    ?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ???-?? ???????????
>    - The sample size is calculated using R package gsDesign - ?.?.
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>
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> ???????????? ???????:
>
> https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
>
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>
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>
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> ????? ??????????). ???? ????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ???????
> ?? ???????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ????????, ?????????, ???,
> "???????????" ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???? ?????
> ?? ????????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? OpenData, ??? ??? ?????????
> ???????? ??????
> 4. ? ???????, ?? ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ? 1932-33 ?????, ??
> ???? ???
>
> ? ?? ???? ???? "????", ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????????. ???? ???? ?????
> ?????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????.
> ??????? - ?????? ? ?????? ????? ??????. ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ????????????
> ??????????? "??? ????!"
>
> ???? ????????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ? ??? ??? ???????????. ???
> ?????! ????????? ? ??????? ?????! ?? ??? ? ???? ????, ???? ??? ??
> ?????????. ??? ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????????, ???????? ????????
> ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????. ? ?
> ????-????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????.
> ? ??? ????? ? ??? ????? ? ?? ????. ????????, ??$??, ???.
> ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ??
> ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ?
> ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ???????????
> ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
>
> ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ????????
> ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
>
>
> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
>
>
> ????????? :-D
>
> ? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ?????
> ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ?
> 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"
>
>
> On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>
> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
> ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
> ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
> ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
> ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
> ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
>
> ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
> ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
> ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????
>
> ???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
> ??????.
> ???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
> ???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????.
>
> ?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
> ??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.
>
> ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
> ????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????.
> ...
> ??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
> ???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
> ?????. ???????? ??????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????
> ??? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????.
>
> ?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
> ??????.
>
> mbr,
>
> --
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From alex at euro.net.ua  Fri Oct 15 11:35:17 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:35:17 +0300
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?????? !

Friday, October 15, 2021, 8:14:01 AM, Oleh Hrynchuk oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com you wrote:
OH> ? ???? ???? ? ?? ??????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ??????????? ?????????...

???? ????????.
?? ????????? ?????????.

??????:  ?  ?????  ?  ?????  ??????: ?? ???????? ???????????? ? ??????
???????,  ?  ?????? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ???? ??? ???
???? ???? ????????, ???? ?? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ?????.

?????  ???  ????????????  "????? ?????" ??????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????
????, ?? ???? ?????, ? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???.
??? ???? ???????????? - ?? ???? ? ???? ? ????????????.

????  ?????  -  ??????  ?  ??????? "?????? ???????" ??? ?????? ????? ?
???????  ?????????  (????????????  ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? 100 ???
???????????? ???????), ???? ?? ?? ?????? ? ??? ????? ?????? mRNK.

OH> ? ???? ?????????????? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ??????????.
OH> ?? ? ???????????, ???? ??????????, ???. ??? ???..??????.

?? ??, ?? ????? ? ???? ?????? ???? :) ? ?? ?????????? ??????? ?? :)

?-?????? ??? ? ????? ??? ? :-)


OH> ????, ?? ????????, ????? ??????? ??????"?!
OH> ? ???? ??? ????? ? ??? ???????? ? ?? ??????? ?????? :). ?? ?? ????...
OH> ???????????...

????? ???? ????????. ! :-)


OH> ??, 14 ????. 2021 ? 22:01 Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> ????:
>> ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
>>
>>    - The sample size *is driven by the total number of cases to
>>    demonstrate VE* (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ?
>>    ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ?????????????
>>    ?????????? ???????
>>    - This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study
>>    will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack
>>    rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
>>    - All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including
>>    Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?.
>>    ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ??????
>>    ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
>>    - Approximately 30,000 participants will be randomly assigned in 1:1
>>    ratio to receive either mRNA-1273 100 ?g or placebo. - ??? ????????
>>    ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????? "*will* be
>>    randomly assigned? ? ? ?????? "*Approximately* 30,000 participants??
>>    ?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ???-?? ???????????
>>    - The sample size is calculated using R package gsDesign - ?.?.
>>    ??????, ??????? ????????? "?????? ? ???????? ??????", ????????? ???-??
>>    ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ????-????? ?????????? ?
>>    ????????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????
>>
>> ? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????
>> ????-?? ??????? - ??? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????
>>
>> ??????
>> On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>
>> ?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
>> ???????????? ???????:
>>
>> https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
>>
>> ????? ????? ?? ???? ? ??? ???? ????????? ??????. ????? ????????? ?? 1
>> ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?-???? ?? ?????.
>>
>>
>> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 12:36 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
>>
>>
>> ?? ?? ? ????? ???? ????????????? ??? ???? ? ??????, ????? ?? ????
>> ???????????? ????? ????"?...
>>
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>>
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>> ???? ??????? ?????.
>>
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>> ?????? ????, ?? ?? ?????..
>> ???????! ?? ???? ?? ???????????? ?????? ? ??????? 2020-?? ???????? ??????
>> ? ???????? ????????? "????? ??????". ???? ??, ??? ????? ??????? ????
>> "??????????" :). ????????? ?? ???? ????! :)
>>
>> 1. ???? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? "??????????" (?????, ??????? ???????
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>> ????? ??????, ???? ? ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ???????
>> ??????????? ????????????? ? ???? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??, ????? ????????
>> ???????????? ? ???? ???? ?? ? ???????? ?????, ? ???? ? ????? ??????????
>> "??????"?
>> 2. ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????????? ????????????
>> ??????? ?????? ???? ??????????? ??????????. ?? ? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????:
>> "???? ???? ??????! ? ???????????????? ?????????".
>> 3. ???? ???-????? ????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ???????, ????????,
>> ?..????? ? ????????????? (??, ?? ?? ? ??????.. ???? ?????? ?..????? ??
>> ??????? ???, ??? ????????? - ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ????
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>> ?? ???????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ????????, ?????????, ???,
>> "???????????" ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???? ?????
>> ?? ????????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? OpenData, ??? ??? ?????????
>> ???????? ??????
>> 4. ? ???????, ?? ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ? 1932-33 ?????, ??
>> ???? ???
>>
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>> ??????????? "??? ????!"
>>
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>> ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????. ? ?
>> ????-????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????.
>> ? ??? ????? ? ??? ????? ? ?? ????. ????????, ??$??, ???.
>> ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ??
>> ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ?
>> ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ???????????
>> ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
>>
>> ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ????????
>> ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
>>
>>
>> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
>>
>>
>> ????????? :-D
>>
>> ? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ?????
>> ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ?
>> 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"
>>
>>
>> On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>>
>> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
>> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
>> ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
>> ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
>> ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
>> ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
>> ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
>>
>> ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
>> ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
>> ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????
>>
>> ???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
>> ??????.
>> ???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
>> ???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????.
>>
>> ?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
>> ??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.
>>
>> ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
>> ????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????.
>> ...
>> ??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
>> ???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
>> ?????. ???????? ??????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????
>> ??? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????.
>>
>> ?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
>> ??????.
>>
>> mbr,
>>
>> --
>> Volodymyr Litovka
>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> /oleh hrynchuk
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>> +380 95 276 31 46
>> https://www.techniqtrading.com/
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 15 12:03:09 2021
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> On 14 Oct 2021, at 21:36, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ???, ??? ??  "????? ???? 80%, 90%, 99%? - ??? ????? ??? ??? 80% ??? 90% ??? 99% ! ? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????!.

??, ????????, ?????????, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? ???????. ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ? ? ?????? ????????, ??? ??????, ?????? ??
?????????????, ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????????????? ??????.

> 
> ? ????? ????? 70%, ??????? 80% ? ?????? 90%, ?? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ?, ??? ????? ???????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????.
> 
> ??????
>> 
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 15 12:09:13 2021
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> On 14 Oct 2021, at 22:01, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
> 	? The sample size is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
> 	? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
> 	? All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?. ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
> 	? Approximately 30,000 participants will be randomly assigned in 1:1 ratio to receive either mRNA-1273 100 ?g or placebo. - ??? ???????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????? "will be randomly assigned? ? ? ?????? "Approximately 30,000 participants?? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ???-?? ???????????
> 	? The sample size is calculated using R package gsDesign - ?.?. ??????, ??????? ????????? "?????? ? ???????? ??????", ????????? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ????-????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????
> ? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????-?? ??????? - ??? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????

???? "??????????" ?????? ??????????, ??? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ??????????. ???????. ??? ???? ?????? ?????????? ????????????
???????????? ????????, ?? ????? ?? ?????.

> 
> ??????
> On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
>> ?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
>> ???????????? ???????:
>> 
>> https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
>> 
>> ????? ????? ?? ???? ? ??? ???? ????????? ??????. ????? ????????? ?? 1
>> ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?-???? ?? ?????.
>> 
>> 
>> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 12:36 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
>>> 
>>> ?? ?? ? ????? ???? ????????????? ??? ???? ? ??????, ????? ?? ???? ???????????? ????? ????"?...
>>> 
>>> ??????, ? ???? ? ?? ?????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ?? ? ??? ?????????????? ?? ? ?????????"?????!
>>> 
>>> ??? "??????????? ???????????? ??????????" (???? ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ??????, ?? ??? ?????????????? ?? 100%) ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???? ??????? ?????.
>>> 
>>> ?, ?? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????-?????????, ?????? ? ???? ?? ????????????? ????? ???????? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? ??????????. ??? ? ???? ?? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ?????????????? ???????-?????????????. ?? ? ???? ?? ??????????. ??? ?????? ?? ? ????.
>>> ?, ?? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????-?????????, ?????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ????, ?? ?? ?????..
>>> ???????! ?? ???? ?? ???????????? ?????? ? ??????? 2020-?? ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ????????? "????? ??????". ???? ??, ??? ????? ??????? ???? "??????????" :). ????????? ?? ???? ????! :)
>>> 
>>> 1. ???? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? "??????????" (?????, ??????? ??????? ?????????????????? ??????????) ? ????? ????????????? ????? ?? ?? ? ??? ????? ??????, ???? ? ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????????? ????????????? ? ???? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??, ????? ???????? ???????????? ? ???? ???? ?? ? ???????? ?????, ? ???? ? ????? ?????????? "??????"?
>>> 2. ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????????? ??????????. ?? ? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????: "???? ???? ??????! ? ???????????????? ?????????".
>>> 3. ???? ???-????? ????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ???????, ????????, ?..????? ? ????????????? (??, ?? ?? ? ??????.. ???? ?????? ?..????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ????????? - ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? ????? ??????????). ???? ????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ????????, ?????????, ???, "???????????" ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? OpenData, ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ??????
>>> 4. ? ???????, ?? ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ? 1932-33 ?????, ?? ???? ???
>>> 
>>> ? ?? ???? ???? "????", ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????????. ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????.
>>> ??????? - ?????? ? ?????? ????? ??????. ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ??????????? "??? ????!"
>>> 
>>> ???? ????????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ? ??? ??? ???????????. ??? ?????! ????????? ? ??????? ?????! ?? ??? ? ???? ????, ???? ??? ?? ?????????. ??? ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????????, ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????. ? ? ????-????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????.
>>> ? ??? ????? ? ??? ????? ? ?? ????. ????????, ??$??, ???.
>>> ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
>>> 
>>> ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
>>>> 
>>>> ????????? :-D
>>>> 
>>>> ? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ? 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
>>>> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
>>>> ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
>>>> ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
>>>> ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
>>>> ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
>>>> ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
>>>> 
>>>> ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
>>>> ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
>>>> ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????
>>>> 
>>>> ???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
>>>> ??????.
>>>> ???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
>>>> ???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????.
>>>> 
>>>> ?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
>>>> ??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.
>>>> 
>>>> ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
>>>> ????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????.
>>>> ...
>>>> ??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
>>>> ???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
>>>> ?????. ???????? ??????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????
>>>> ??? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????.
>>>> 
>>>> ?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
>>>> ??????.
>>>> 
>>>> mbr,
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Volodymyr Litovka
>>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> uanog mailing list
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> /oleh hrynchuk
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> uanog mailing list
>>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Pavlo Narozhnyy
>> +380 95 276 31 46
>> https://www.techniqtrading.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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> _______________________________________________
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 15 12:15:32 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:15:32 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
 =?utf-8?b?INC90LDRgNC+0LQg0LTQvtCx0YDQtSDQt9C90LDRlCDQoNGW0YfQsNGA0LQ=?=
 =?utf-8?b?0LAg0KHRgtC+0LvQu9C80LXQvdCwLi4u?=
In-Reply-To: <41b5ef55-644b-47db-8d8c-4327f6318b8d@Spark>
References: <CAJWhN-pmc06Ntb9ZPFGaJbmiyr0cb6svQTKNhXZMobUjPw3HLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <992348e0-c29b-4469-9b72-f0a7a8bfb00f@Spark>
 <7450f22e-8f69-def7-b0ff-1991f4a7e056@funlab.cc>
 <20211013001446.2c4113ee@lbld12.duckdns.org>
 <CAJWhN-oRpD4BF1=FumnLXxdJ8mxTcUwzmT7d--w5SSA7Kb=-Lw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20211013060744.GH724@netch.kiev.ua>
 <41b5ef55-644b-47db-8d8c-4327f6318b8d@Spark>
Message-ID: <20211015091532.GW724@netch.kiev.ua>

hi,

 Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 20:36:57, maksym wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ???, ??? ????"????? ???? 80%, 90%, 99%? - ??? ????? ??? ??? 80% ??? 90% ??? 99% ! ? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????!.

?? ?????????????, ??? ????????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????
??????????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ??????????????
?????????? ???????????? ??-?????, ??? ??? ?? ???????? :))

> ? ????? ????? 70%, ??????? 80% ? ?????? 90%, ?? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ?, ??? ????? ???????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????.

??, ? ?? ????????? ?????????? ???????, ?????????????? ?? ?? ??????????
?????????? ???????, ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? 5-10 ??? ??????????
?????????. ??????, ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ?????, ?? ???????? ????.
??, ? ???????? ??????? ????????? ????????????? "????? ??????????",
???? ????? ??? ???????.

????? ? ????? ??????????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????????? ?????????,
? ?????? ??????????? ????????? ? ?.?., ?? ??????????? ?????????????. ?
??? ??? ????? ???????????????? - ??? ? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??????
??????.

???????, ???? ????????????. ???? ??? ? ???????? ?????????? ???
????????. ????? ??????? ????, ??? ?????. ???????????? ???????? ????,
????, ???, ??? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???-?? ????. ?????? ???
? ?? ? ? ??? ? ?????-?? ? ???? ????????? ?????. ?????? ??????????
? ???? ?? ????? ??????????????. ?????? ???????, ??? ???????? ???????
??????????? ??????? ??????, ? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????.


-netch-

From doka at funlab.cc  Fri Oct 15 14:26:55 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:26:55 +0300
Subject: [uanog] LAN cables can be sniffed to reveal network traffic with a
	$30 setup
Message-ID: <a1cd93aa-a5bc-301c-7795-21b3d2a2b1e5@funlab.cc>

Hi,

???? ?? ???? ? ???????? ???? ??, ?? ???? ?? ????: 
https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/14/lantenna_ethernet_cable_rf_emissions/

????????, ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ??? macsec, ??? ??? ????????????? 
IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? IPSec.

???, ?????????, ?????????????? ??????????? ????????? - OVS - ?? 
????????? macsec. ?? ?????? h/w ?????????? ??????????? macsec?

??? ????? ????????????? IPv6 ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? ???? 
?????? ? ????????? ???? - ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????????? ?????????? 
IPsec ? IPv6 ???????????

?????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From doka at funlab.cc  Fri Oct 15 14:48:01 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:48:01 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
Message-ID: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>

??????,

? ??? ??? ???? ????????, ? ? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :) ? ???????, ?? 
??????? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? -

?? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????? (?? ???? ??? shared) ????????? ??? 
????????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? 
traffic bursts? ?? ????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????? 
?????????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????? "? ???? ??? ???????", "? ??????? ??????? 
????? ? ????????? ?? ???????????" ?? ???? ????, ? ?? 
?????????-??????????? - ???????? ?????? ? ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? 
????????? ?????????? ??, ?????????, ?? ??????????? ?????????? 24x1G + 
2x10G ? ???????????? ????????????????????? ???????????

????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? :)

?????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From mp at disan.net  Fri Oct 15 15:11:24 2021
From: mp at disan.net (Mike Petrusha)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:11:24 +0200
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
	=?utf-8?b?INC90LDRgNC+0LQg0LTQvtCx0YDQtSDQt9C90LDRlCDQoNGW0YfQsNGA?=
	=?utf-8?b?0LTQsCDQodGC0L7Qu9C70LzQtdC90LAuLi4=?=
In-Reply-To: <424DF12C-D4F5-4081-B3A0-813D0256B762@academ.kiev.ua>
References: <CAJWhN-pmc06Ntb9ZPFGaJbmiyr0cb6svQTKNhXZMobUjPw3HLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <992348e0-c29b-4469-9b72-f0a7a8bfb00f@Spark>
 <7450f22e-8f69-def7-b0ff-1991f4a7e056@funlab.cc>
 <20211013001446.2c4113ee@lbld12.duckdns.org>
 <20211013073952.GE5646@death.kiev.ua>
 <85d612af-558b-690e-5efd-497b4c3ce2a3@funlab.cc>
 <CAJWhN-r42EW73JuXmu99rpZEBf+ieBmtR-DXnaBu0B9fiPnXtA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABXq9qCLH2OvXZWFUF++C_GyK_0CFBwpe1a7YRW5SOUFVEBFiw@mail.gmail.com>

??????? ? ??????? ????????? ??????. ?? ???????? ???????.

Edward Jenner ? 1796 ???? ??????? ?????? ???????. ???? ??? ????? ????
- ???????????? ? ???????. ??????? ???? ?????????? ?????. ??
???????????? ?????? ?????? ??????. ? ???? ????????? ????????, ???
???????????? ???????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ????????????. ???
???????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?????, ?
????? ?? ?????????? - ????????????. ??????????? ?????? ??????? -
??????? ?? ???????. ????? ?? ???????? ??? ??? ?? 23-? ??????????. ???
?????? ???????.

??? ???, ? ? ????: ??? ?????? ?? ??????. ????? ?? ???????? ?????
?????????? ??? ???????? ??????????. ?? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????
?????? ????? ??? ??? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????. ? ??????? ???
???????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????, ???? ???? ????
?????????. ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ????????
???????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????. ? ???? ????? ????? ?? ??????????,
???? ????? ????? ?????, "actual attack rate" ??????-?? ??????, ?? ??,
???????? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????????
? ??? ?????.

> >       ? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????

? ???, ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????
??? ??? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ? ??????? ???????.
??? ? ?????? ????.

--
Mike

From violent at death.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 15 15:44:13 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:44:13 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
In-Reply-To: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>
References: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <20211015124413.GM5646@death.kiev.ua>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 02:48:01PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
> ? ??? ??? ???? ????????, ? ? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :) ? ???????, ?? ???????
> ???? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? -
> 
> ?? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????? (?? ???? ??? shared) ????????? ???
> ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? traffic
> bursts? ?? ????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ??
> ??????? ?? ?????? "? ???? ??? ???????", "? ??????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????
> ?? ???????????" ?? ???? ????, ? ?? ?????????-??????????? - ???????? ?????? ?
> ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ??, ?????????, ??
> ??????????? ?????????? 24x1G + 2x10G ? ???????????? ?????????????????????
> ???????????
> 
> ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? :)
??? ????? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ? ???? ?? ??????.
?? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ?????, ??????? ? ?????????? ????? ?
???????????? ??????? ?? ????????, ????????? ?????? trident2+.
?? ?? ????, ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ?? ??????.

???? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ??????-????????? ??????
???????? ? ???? 3560E / 3560X, ??????????????? ??????? ???? - ????????
?? show interface counters errors, ? ????? Drop ???? ?????? ?????? ?
???, ????????? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? ?? asic oversubscription 4:1

??, ???? ? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? ???????? 4948-10GE,
??????? ????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????. ?? ?? ????, ??? ????
????? ?? ???????, ??????? ???? ? ????? ?????????.

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From doka at funlab.cc  Fri Oct 15 18:25:59 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:25:59 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
In-Reply-To: <20211015124413.GM5646@death.kiev.ua>
References: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>
 <20211015124413.GM5646@death.kiev.ua>
Message-ID: <a0475102-0139-2a85-cdf3-04eced404142@funlab.cc>

??????,

?? ????? ? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???????, ???? ?????? - 
https://www.edge-core.com/_upload/images/AS6812-32X_DS_R06_20190708.pdf :

Packet Buffer Size: 16 MB integrated packet buffer

??? Trident II ???????????? ???? ? ????? ????????? -

Packet Buffer Size: 16 MB shared buffer pool

? ?? ?????? https://docs.broadcom.com/doc/12358325 , ??? ???? ? ???? ? 
?????? ????????? ?? ??????? - "integrated packet buffer" - ?? yet 
another shared buffer pool ?? buffer per-port? - ???? ???????.

?????.

On 15.10.2021 15:44, Igor Grabin wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 02:48:01PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
>> ? ??? ??? ???? ????????, ? ? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :) ? ???????, ?? ???????
>> ???? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? -
>>
>> ?? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????? (?? ???? ??? shared) ????????? ???
>> ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? traffic
>> bursts? ?? ????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ??
>> ??????? ?? ?????? "? ???? ??? ???????", "? ??????? ??????? ????? ? ?????????
>> ?? ???????????" ?? ???? ????, ? ?? ?????????-??????????? - ???????? ?????? ?
>> ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ??, ?????????, ??
>> ??????????? ?????????? 24x1G + 2x10G ? ???????????? ?????????????????????
>> ???????????
>>
>> ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? :)
> ??? ????? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ? ???? ?? ??????.
> ?? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ?????, ??????? ? ?????????? ????? ?
> ???????????? ??????? ?? ????????, ????????? ?????? trident2+.
> ?? ?? ????, ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ?? ??????.
>
> ???? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ??????-????????? ??????
> ???????? ? ???? 3560E / 3560X, ??????????????? ??????? ???? - ????????
> ?? show interface counters errors, ? ????? Drop ???? ?????? ?????? ?
> ???, ????????? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? ?? asic oversubscription 4:1
>
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-- 
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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 15 20:30:34 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 20:30:34 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
In-Reply-To: <a0475102-0139-2a85-cdf3-04eced404142@funlab.cc>
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On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 06:25:59PM +0300, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
> ?? ????? ? ????????? ????? ?????????? ???????, ???? ?????? -
> https://www.edge-core.com/_upload/images/AS6812-32X_DS_R06_20190708.pdf :
?????? ??????? ?????? ??? ????, ????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ???-????
networking related

> ? ?? ?????? https://docs.broadcom.com/doc/12358325 , ??? ???? ? ???? ?
> ?????? ????????? ?? ??????? - "integrated packet buffer" - ?? yet another
> shared buffer pool ?? buffer per-port? - ???? ???????.
????? ?????? ???-?? ???????? ???????. ????? ? ??????. ??? ??? ???????
???? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ????????????? hd video ??????????, ? ? ????
????? ????? ?????.

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

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From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 21:26:18 +0200
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> > ??, 14 ????. 2021 ? 22:01 Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> ????:
> > > ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
> > >
> > > ? The sample size?is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE?(mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
> > > ? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
> > > ? All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?. ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
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> > > ? The sample size is calculated using R package gsDesign - ?.?. ??????, ??????? ????????? "?????? ? ???????? ??????", ????????? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ????-????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????
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> > > On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > ?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
> > > > ???????????? ???????:
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> > > > https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
> > > >
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> > > > ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?-???? ?? ?????.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 12:36 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ?? ? ????? ???? ????????????? ??? ???? ? ??????, ????? ?? ???? ???????????? ????? ????"?...
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> > > > > ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ????????? :-D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ? 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
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> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > ??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
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> > > > > > ?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
> > > > > > ??????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mbr,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > /oleh hrynchuk
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Pavlo Narozhnyy
> > > > +380 95 276 31 46
> > > > https://www.techniqtrading.com/
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > uanog mailing list
> > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
>
> --
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Fri Oct 15 22:42:14 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 21:42:14 +0200
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?????,

????? ??? ??? ???????? ???? ?????????????? ?????????? ????? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??? ?????? ????:
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On 13 Oct 2021, 16:00 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:36:03PM +0300, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
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>
> mbr,
> --
> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
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From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:44:41 +0300
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On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 09:42:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ? ?????????? ?? ??????: ???, ??? ????? ??? ?????????, ????????? - ???? ????? ?????????????. ?????????: ??????? ?? ?????? ? ???????, ??????? ??????? ? ????, ???????? ????????? ????? 20 ??? ? ???? ? ???????????? ??????????? ????????? ?????????? ???????.

?????? ?????????? ???? ???????????????, ?? ???????????? ??????.
??? ????? ???? ??????? ? ?????????? - ??? ???? ??????? ??????????,
??????? ???????.
???????? ????????? ???? ?????.

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Fri Oct 15 22:49:38 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 21:49:38 +0200
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"???????? ????? ????????????. ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? - ? ?? ??????: ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????!

? ???? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????????????, ?? ? ?????? ????? ????????: ???????????, ???????, ?????????, ???????????, ??????????? ? ????, ??? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ??? ????? ????????????? ???? ?????????.

??? ????? ????? ?????? - ????????? ???, ??? ???????": ?????, ????????, ???????? ?????? ? ?.?.

??????
On 14 Oct 2021, 21:01 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ???????? ????? ????????????. ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????.
>
> ??????? (????????? ???????) - ??? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????, ??? ???, ??? ??????????? ? ????.
>
> 14 ?????? 2021, 21:42:52, ??? "Max Tulyev" <maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua>:
>
> > ??? ???? ???? ???: ???????? ?????? ??????????? ???? ?????????? ????????
> > ??????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???????? ????????
> > ???? ???? ?????????.
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Fri Oct 15 22:53:24 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 21:53:24 +0200
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"? ???, ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????
??? ??? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ? ??????? ???????.
??? ? ?????? ????."

????, ??????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? "CLINICAL STUDY PROTOCOL? ?.?. ???????? ???????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????.

??????
On 15 Oct 2021, 14:11 +0200, Mike Petrusha <mp at disan.net>, wrote:
> ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ??????. ?? ???????? ???????.
>
> Edward Jenner ? 1796 ???? ??????? ?????? ???????. ???? ??? ????? ????
> - ???????????? ? ???????. ??????? ???? ?????????? ?????. ??
> ???????????? ?????? ?????? ??????. ? ???? ????????? ????????, ???
> ???????????? ???????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ????????????. ???
> ???????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?????, ?
> ????? ?? ?????????? - ????????????. ??????????? ?????? ??????? -
> ??????? ?? ???????. ????? ?? ???????? ??? ??? ?? 23-? ??????????. ???
> ?????? ???????.
>
> ??? ???, ? ? ????: ??? ?????? ?? ??????. ????? ?? ???????? ?????
> ?????????? ??? ???????? ??????????. ?? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????
> ?????? ????? ??? ??? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????. ? ??????? ???
> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????, ???? ???? ????
> ?????????. ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ????????
> ???????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????. ? ???? ????? ????? ?? ??????????,
> ???? ????? ????? ?????, "actual attack rate" ??????-?? ??????, ?? ??,
> ???????? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????????
> ? ??? ?????.
>
> > > ? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
>
> ? ???, ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????
> ??? ??? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ? ??????? ???????.
> ??? ? ?????? ????.
>
> --
> Mike
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Fri Oct 15 22:59:39 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 21:59:39 +0200
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???????? ????? ? ? ????? ????? ? ????????? ????????:
??? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? _????????_ vaccination rate 70% ??? ???????, ??????? _??????????_ ???????????? ? ?????????? ???. ????????????? ? ??? ????

?? ???? ???, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ? ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????? ?? ??, ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????.

??????
On 15 Oct 2021, 11:15 +0200, Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> hi,
>
> Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 20:36:57, maksym wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...":
>
> > ???, ??? ????"????? ???? 80%, 90%, 99%? - ??? ????? ??? ??? 80% ??? 90% ??? 99% ! ? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????!.
>
> ?? ?????????????, ??? ????????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????
> ??????????? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ??????????????
> ?????????? ???????????? ??-?????, ??? ??? ?? ???????? :))
>
> > ? ????? ????? 70%, ??????? 80% ? ?????? 90%, ?? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ?, ??? ????? ???????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????.
>
> ??, ? ?? ????????? ?????????? ???????, ?????????????? ?? ?? ??????????
> ?????????? ???????, ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? 5-10 ??? ??????????
> ?????????. ??????, ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ?????, ?? ???????? ????.
> ??, ? ???????? ??????? ????????? ????????????? "????? ??????????",
> ???? ????? ??? ???????.
>
> ????? ? ????? ??????????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????????? ?????????,
> ? ?????? ??????????? ????????? ? ?.?., ?? ??????????? ?????????????. ?
> ??? ??? ????? ???????????????? - ??? ? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??????
> ??????.
>
> ???????, ???? ????????????. ???? ??? ? ???????? ?????????? ???
> ????????. ????? ??????? ????, ??? ?????. ???????????? ???????? ????,
> ????, ???, ??? ??????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???-?? ????. ?????? ???
> ? ?? ? ? ??? ? ?????-?? ? ???? ????????? ?????. ?????? ??????????
> ? ???? ?? ????? ??????????????. ?????? ???????, ??? ???????? ???????
> ??????????? ??????? ??????, ? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????.
>
>
> -netch-
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From mp at disan.net  Fri Oct 15 23:15:29 2021
From: mp at disan.net (Mike Petrusha)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:15:29 +0200
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?????? ????? ?????? ???. ???????? ?? ????? ? ?? ????????.
????? "CLINICAL STUDY PROTOCOL" ?? ??????? ? ???, ??? ??? ? ???????.
????????, ??? ??, ??? ?????? ????????. ???????. "??????? ??????????
????????????."
??? ?? "???????? ????????", ??? ???????? ??????? ??????????.
??-????????? protocol - ???????, ???????, ????????.
??????: "Royal protocol dictates that members of the royal family
must..." "??????????? ???????? ??????, ??? ????? ??????????? ?????
??????..."
?? ??? ???????? ? ????: TCP is Transmission Control Protocol.

--
Mike

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 21:53, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
>
> "? ???, ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????
> ??? ??? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ? ??????? ???????.
> ??? ? ?????? ????."
>
> ????, ??????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? "CLINICAL STUDY PROTOCOL? ?.?. ???????? ???????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????.

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Fri Oct 15 23:15:33 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:15:33 +0200
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?????,

?? ??? ??????? ????????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ??? ??? ???????????? ? ???????? ? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???????: ????????? 20-30 ? ???????? ? ?????? Social Science ?????? Replication crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

???? ?? ?????? ?????: A 2016 poll of 1,500 scientists conducted by Nature reported that 70% of them had failed to reproduce at least one other scientist's experiment (...67% of medical researchers...), while?50%?had failed to reproduce?one of their own experiments

??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? ?p hacking? - ? ????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? _???????_ ???????? ??? ??????, ??????? ???????? ????? ?? _??????_ ????????

??? ?? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ???? Replication crisis, ?? ????? ?? ???????? ?????????? (? ?????????? ??????): ???? ?? ?????????? ???????????? (???????? ? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????) ?? ?? ?????? ????????????:

? ??? ???????? ??????
? ??? ?????????, ??????? ???? ???????????? ??? ????????? ??????
? ????????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????????? (? ????? ? ???? docker container)

??? ?????? ?????????? ?reproducible research? (??? ???? ????? ?????????)

??? ?????? ????? ???????????????

??????
On 15 Oct 2021, 11:09 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 14 Oct 2021, at 22:01, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
> > ? The sample size is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
> > ? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
> > ? All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?. ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
> > ? Approximately 30,000 participants will be randomly assigned in 1:1 ratio to receive either mRNA-1273 100 ?g or placebo. - ??? ???????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????? "will be randomly assigned? ? ? ?????? "Approximately 30,000 participants?? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ???-?? ???????????
> > ? The sample size is calculated using R package gsDesign - ?.?. ??????, ??????? ????????? "?????? ? ???????? ??????", ????????? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ????-????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????
> > ? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????-?? ??????? - ??? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????
>
> ???? "??????????" ?????? ??????????, ??? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ??????????. ???????. ??? ???? ?????? ?????????? ????????????
> ???????????? ????????, ?? ????? ?? ?????.
>
> >
> > ??????
> > On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > ?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
> > > ???????????? ???????:
> > >
> > > https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
> > >
> > > ????? ????? ?? ???? ? ??? ???? ????????? ??????. ????? ????????? ?? 1
> > > ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?-???? ?? ?????.
> > >
> > >
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??? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? ??? (?????????? ?????? ??????? ?? 49) ????? ????? ?????: ??? ???????, ??? ????????, ?? ????????? ?? ???? ????????, ???????.

15 ?????? 2021, 22:49:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


"???????? ????? ????????????. ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? - ? ?? ??????: ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????!

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14 ?????? 2021, 21:42:52, ??? "Max Tulyev" <maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua>:

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???? ?????: ????? ?????????? "?? ??????" ??? ???????????????. ?? ???? ???????, ????????? ????? ? ?? ???????? (!), ? ?????? ???????? ?? ??, ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ???????????????, ??????????? ?? ??? ????????? ? ??????.

????? ??????????? ???????? ???????????????? ????????? ???????? ????????? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ??? ????? ????????. ??????, ??? ?????????????? ??? ???? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ???? ??? ????????????, ????????? ?????????????? ??? ??????????? ? ?????, ???? ???? ?? ????????. ? ? ??? ? ???? ???? ???????. ????, ?????????? ?? ????? ?????????? (??????????, ??????????? ??? ??????????) - ????? ??? ????? Helicobacter pylori ?????????? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????????????? - ??????????? ????????????. ??? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???????? ?????????????? ? ?????? ? ??? ???????? (?? ?? ???, ???), ????? ? ?????????????, ?? ????????? ???????????????. ??? ??????? ?????? ?-?, ?? ????????-?? ??????, ???? ????????, ?????? ??? ????? ??????????? ??-??-??.

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15 ?????? 2021, 22:26:39, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


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On 15 Oct 2021, 07:14 +0200, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
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???? ??? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ??????????????? ????????.
?? ? ??????? ????. ??????? ?????? ???? ??????????. ?? ????????? ???????? ????????? ?? ??????? ????????????? ?????????, ??... ???? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ?????? - ?? ???? ?????? ???????, ?? "??? ????????? ??? ?????? ??????". ??????????? ? ?? ??????????.. ???? ????????, ?????...

? ???? ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ??????????? ?????????...
? ???? ?????????????? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ??????????. ?? ? ???????????, ???? ??????????, ???. ??? ???..??????.
???? ???? ???? ??? "??????" ????? ? ?? ??-?-??? ?????? ???????.

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? ???? ??? ????? ? ??? ???????? ? ?? ??????? ???????:). ?? ?? ????... ???????????...

??, 14 ????. 2021 ? 22:01 Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> ????:
??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
The sample size?is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE?(mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ??????? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ??????????? All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?. ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ???????? Approximately 30,000 participants will be randomly assigned in 1:1 ratio to receive either mRNA-1273 100 ?g or placebo. - ??? ???????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????? "will?be randomly assigned? ? ? ?????? "Approximately?30,000 participants?? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ???-?? ??????????? The sample size is calculated using R package gsDesign - ?.?. ??????, ??????? ????????? "?????? ? ???????? ??????", ????????? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ????-????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????-?? ??????? - ??? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????

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On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
???????????? ???????:

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf

????? ????? ?? ???? ? ??? ???? ????????? ??????. ????? ????????? ?? 1
??????, ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?-???? ?? ?????.


??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 12:36 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:

?? ?? ? ????? ???? ????????????? ??? ???? ? ??????, ????? ?? ???? ???????????? ????? ????"?...

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3. ???? ???-????? ????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ???????, ????????, ?..????? ? ????????????? (??, ?? ?? ? ??????.. ???? ?????? ?..????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ????????? - ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? ????? ??????????). ???? ????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ????????, ?????????, ???, "???????????" ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? OpenData, ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ??????
4. ? ???????, ?? ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ? 1932-33 ?????, ?? ???? ???

? ?? ???? ???? "????", ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????????. ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????.
??????? - ?????? ? ?????? ????? ??????. ???? ???? ? ???? ?? ???????????? ??????????? "??? ????!"

???? ????????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ? ??? ??? ???????????. ??? ?????! ????????? ? ??????? ?????! ?? ??? ? ???? ????, ???? ??? ?? ?????????. ??? ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????????, ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????. ? ? ????-????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????.
? ??? ????? ? ??? ????? ? ?? ????. ????????, ??$??, ???.
?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).

???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????


??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:

????????? :-D

? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ? 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"


On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:

?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.

??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????

???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
??????.
???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????.

?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.

?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????.
...
??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
?????. ???????? ??????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????
??? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????.

?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
??????.

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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 11:08:31 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:08:31 +0300
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On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:45:18AM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ? ? ????, ??? ????????? ?????? "?????? ??????????? ??????" ???????????????, ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???????????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ??:

?????. ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ?????.
- ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ?????? ???????? 5G? ??? ?? ?????! ?????? ?????? 
"??????????? ?? ??????????? ? ???????????? ????????"

?? ?????? ?????? "do not resuscitate"

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sat Oct 16 11:29:44 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:29:44 +0300
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??????,

?????? "??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????????" ?? ????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ??????????? - ??? ??????, ? ?? ???????? ? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ? ??? ???????????. ??????, ????????????????? ????????, ?????? ???? ????????? ? ???????????????.

?? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????, ? ??????? ????? - ????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????.

????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ???????: ? ????? ????????? ???? ????? ??? ?????, ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? +/- - ??? ???? ? ????. ??? ????????? ???????? ?? ????? "?????????????". ?.?. ???? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ????????? (??????????? ?????, ??? ? ???????? - ?????????? ? ?????????), ?? ????? "???????????" ???????????? ??????. ????????? ???????: ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ??? ? ?????? ? ?????????, ? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ?? ? ??????????? ? ??????? ???? ? ????, ?? ???????????.

??? ???? ??? ???? ???????? - ????? ? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ? ???? ???????? ?????????? ?????, ??? ???????? ? ???????????? ? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ????????? ? "?? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?????". ?? ???? ?? ?????, ?? ?????????? 40+ ?????????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? ???????????. ?????????? ???????, ??? ????????????, ???? ???? ??????????? (? ??? ????!) ? ??????? ????????????????? ? ??????? 35 ??????. ??? ???? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ? ???????? ????????? ??????? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????????????, ??????????? ???? ???????????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????.

??? ???????? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ????? ?? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??-?? ????????.

16 ?????? 2021, 11:08:32, ??? "Igor Grabin" <violent at death.kiev.ua>:

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:45:18AM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ? ? ????, ??? ????????? ?????? "?????? ??????????? ??????" ???????????????, ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???????????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ??:

?????. ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ?????.
- ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ?????? ???????? 5G? ??? ?? ?????! ?????? ?????? 
"??????????? ?? ??????????? ? ???????????? ????????"

?? ?????? ?????? "do not resuscitate"

mbr,
-- 
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From vc at vc.org.ua  Sat Oct 16 12:22:59 2021
From: vc at vc.org.ua (Viktor Cheburkin)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 12:22:59 +0300
Subject: [uanog] LAN cables can be sniffed to reveal network traffic
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Hi!

> 15 ???. 2021 ?., ? 14:26, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ???????(?):
> 
> Hi,
> 
> ???? ?? ???? ? ???????? ???? ??, ?? ???? ?? ????: https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/14/lantenna_ethernet_cable_rf_emissions/
> 
> ????????, ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ??? macsec, ??? ??? ????????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? IPSec.
> 
> ???, ?????????, ?????????????? ??????????? ????????? - OVS - ?? ????????? macsec. ?? ?????? h/w ?????????? ??????????? macsec?
> 
> ??? ????? ????????????? IPv6 ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? ???? ?????? ? ????????? ???? - ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????????? ?????????? IPsec ? IPv6 ???????????

??? ? ?????, ??? ?????????? ? ?????? ????? ????.????, ??????? ????? ????? ????????, ?? ????.???????????? ? ????????????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???????? ????? (?? ????????, ???, ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????). ? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????????, ?? ???-?? ????? ?? IPsec ? ??? ????? ?????????, ?.?. ?????? ??? ?? ? ????????? ??????? ??????, ? ? ???????? ?????.
? ????? ???????? ???????, ???? ?? ??? ????????? ??????? ????? ???? ? ???????????? ??? ????????? (?? ??? ????????? ???? ???? ???????) -- ?? ?????, ? ???? ?????????, ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ?????? ? ??????.

> ?????.
> 
> -- 
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>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> 
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 15:19:12 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 15:19:12 +0300
Subject: [uanog] LAN cables can be sniffed to reveal network traffic
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hi,

 Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 14:26:55, doka wrote about "[uanog] LAN cables can be sniffed to reveal network traffic with a $30 setup": 

> ???? ?? ???? ? ???????? ???? ??, ?? ???? ?? ????: https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/14/lantenna_ethernet_cable_rf_emissions/
> 
> ????????, ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ??? macsec, ??? ???
> ????????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? IPSec.

IPsec "??????????" ? IPv4 ????? ??????? ?? - ?? ?????? ? ?? ?????, ???
? IPv6.
?? ? ESP, AH ? ??????????? ???????. ?????????? ? IP ?????? ??? 20
????? ??????????? ?????? ??? ??????? ? ????????????????.
????????? ???????, ??? ? IPv4 ????????? ??????? IPsec "???????", ??
??? ?????? ??????? ??? ????????, ???? ??? ???????? ??? ???????, ??
????????? ????? :)

???? ???????? ????? ?? ??????? ???????????? IPsec ? ??????. ? ??
??????, ???? ????????? ??????? ????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????
?????? ?? ?????? HTTPS ??? RTPS (? ????? ?? ???? ????????? QUIC).

??, ??????, ????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ? ????????? ???????. ???
??? ????? ??????? ? ???? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????????, ??????????
? ?.?. - ???? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????? ???
??????? ?????????. ? ???? ? ?????? LAN ?? ????? ????????.

> ??? ????? ????????????? IPv6 ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ??
> ???? ?????? ? ????????? ???? - ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????
> ?????????? IPsec ? IPv6 ???????????

??????, ?????. ??????? ??????? VPN???.


-netch-

From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 15:36:04 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 15:36:04 +0300
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> On 15 Oct 2021, at 22:49, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> "???????? ????? ????????????. ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? - ? ?? ??????: ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????!
> 
> ? ???? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????????????, ?? ? ?????? ????? ????????: ???????????, ???????, ?????????, ???????????, ??????????? ? ????, ??? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ??? ????? ????????????? ???? ?????????.

?? ?????? ?? ????? ?????????????. ??? ????????????? ????????? (? ??????, ?? ????????????? ????) ?? ??????????? ???????????
??????? ?? ????? ???????, ????? ??????????? ????????, ???? ??????, ? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?????????.

? ???????? ?? ??????? ? ????????? ? ???????, ?????? 4% ?????? ????????.

> 
> ??? ????? ????? ?????? - ????????? ???, ??? ???????": ?????, ????????, ???????? ?????? ? ?.?.
> 
> ??????
> On 14 Oct 2021, 21:01 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
>> ??????,
>> 
>> ???????? ????? ????????????. ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????.
>> 
>> ??????? (????????? ???????) - ??? ???????????? ???????????????? ???????, ??? ???, ??? ??????????? ? ????.
>> 
>> 14 ?????? 2021, 21:42:52, ??? "Max Tulyev" <maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua>:
>> 
>> ??? ???? ???? ???: ???????? ?????? ??????????? ???? ?????????? ????????  
>> ??????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????? ?? ?????, ? ???? ???????? ????????  
>> ???? ???? ?????????.
>> 
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 15:38:49 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 15:38:49 +0300
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> On 15 Oct 2021, at 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> "? ???, ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????
> ??? ??? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ? ??????? ???????.
> ??? ? ?????? ????."
> 
> ????, ??????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? "CLINICAL STUDY PROTOCOL? ?.?. ???????? ???????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????.

? ?????-?????? BGP ???? ? ???????? ???? ???? ????????...

BTW, ???????? ???????, ??? ?? ??, ??? ??????, ? ????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????????. ? ????? ??????? ???????????
???????????? (? ?? ?? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????? ???????) ? ?? ? ???? ?? ??????.

> 
> ??????
> On 15 Oct 2021, 14:11 +0200, Mike Petrusha <mp at disan.net>, wrote:
>> ??????? ? ??????? ????????? ??????. ?? ???????? ???????.
>> 
>> Edward Jenner ? 1796 ???? ??????? ?????? ???????. ???? ??? ????? ????
>> - ???????????? ? ???????. ??????? ???? ?????????? ?????. ??
>> ???????????? ?????? ?????? ??????. ? ???? ????????? ????????, ???
>> ???????????? ???????? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ????????????. ???
>> ???????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?????, ?
>> ????? ?? ?????????? - ????????????. ??????????? ?????? ??????? -
>> ??????? ?? ???????. ????? ?? ???????? ??? ??? ?? 23-? ??????????. ???
>> ?????? ???????.
>> 
>> ??? ???, ? ? ????: ??? ?????? ?? ??????. ????? ?? ???????? ?????
>> ?????????? ??? ???????? ??????????. ?? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????
>> ?????? ????? ??? ??? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????. ? ??????? ???
>> ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????, ???? ???? ????
>> ?????????. ? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ????????
>> ???????? ? ????? ???????? ?????????. ? ???? ????? ????? ?? ??????????,
>> ???? ????? ????? ?????, "actual attack rate" ??????-?? ??????, ?? ??,
>> ???????? ??????????? ? ?????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?????????? ??????????
>> ? ??? ?????.
>> 
>>>> ? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
>> 
>> ? ???, ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????
>> ??? ??? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ? ??????? ???????.
>> ??? ? ?????? ????.
>> 
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> On 15 Oct 2021, at 23:15, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ?????,
> 
> ?? ??? ??????? ????????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ??? ??? ???????????? ? ???????? ? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???????: ????????? 20-30 ? ???????? ? ?????? Social Science ?????? Replication crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
> 
> ???? ?? ?????? ?????: A 2016 poll of 1,500 scientists conducted by Nature reported that 70% of them had failed to reproduce at least one other scientist's experiment (...67% of medical researchers...), while 50% had failed to reproduce one of their own experiments

? ? ???? ???????????? ? ?? ?????????? ????.

> 
> ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? ?p hacking? - ? ????? ????? ? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ????????????, ??? ?????? ???????  ? _???????_ ???????? ??? ??????, ??????? ???????? ????? ?? _??????_ ????????

? ??? ?????? ?? ???????. ???????? ????? ????????. ?????? ????? ??????????, ????? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????. ?? ?? ????????,
???? ? ???. ???? ?????. ?? ???? ????????? ??????? ?????, ????? ??????? ????????. ????? ????? ????????????????

> 
> ??? ?? ???????, ?? ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ???? Replication crisis, ?? ????? ?? ???????? ?????????? (? ?????????? ??????): ???? ?? ?????????? ???????????? (???????? ? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????) ?? ?? ?????? ????????????:
> 	? ??? ???????? ??????
> 	? ??? ?????????, ??????? ???? ???????????? ??? ????????? ??????
> 	? ????????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?????? ???????????? (? ????? ? ???? docker container)
> ??? ?????? ?????????? ?reproducible research? (??? ???? ????? ?????????)
> 
> ??? ?????? ????? ???????????????
> 
> ??????
> On 15 Oct 2021, 11:09 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Oct 2021, at 22:01, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
>>> ? The sample size is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
>>> ? This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
>>> ? All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?. ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
>>> ? Approximately 30,000 participants will be randomly assigned in 1:1 ratio to receive either mRNA-1273 100 ?g or placebo. - ??? ???????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????? "will be randomly assigned? ? ? ?????? "Approximately 30,000 participants?? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ???-?? ???????????
>>> ? The sample size is calculated using R package gsDesign - ?.?. ??????, ??????? ????????? "?????? ? ???????? ??????", ????????? ???-?? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ????-????? ?????????? ? ????????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????????
>>> ? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????-?? ??????? - ??? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????
>> 
>> ???? "??????????" ?????? ??????????, ??? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ??????????? ??????????. ???????. ??? ???? ?????? ?????????? ????????????
>> ???????????? ????????, ?? ????? ?? ?????.
>> 
>>> 
>>> ??????
>>> On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>>> ?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
>>>> ???????????? ???????:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> ????? ????? ?? ???? ? ??? ???? ????????? ??????. ????? ????????? ?? 1
>>>> ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?-???? ?? ?????.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 12:36 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?? ?? ? ????? ???? ????????????? ??? ???? ? ??????, ????? ?? ???? ???????????? ????? ????"?...
>>>>> 
>>>>> ??????, ? ???? ? ?? ?????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ?? ? ??? ?????????????? ?? ? ?????????"?????!
>>>>> 
>>>>> ??? "??????????? ???????????? ??????????" (???? ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ??????, ?? ??? ?????????????? ?? 100%) ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???? ??????? ?????.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?, ?? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????-?????????, ?????? ? ???? ?? ????????????? ????? ???????? ? ???? ????? ????????? ?????? ??????????. ??? ? ???? ?? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ?????????????? ???????-?????????????. ?? ? ???? ?? ??????????. ??? ?????? ?? ? ????.
>>>>> ?, ?? ? ?????? ????? ???? ??????-?????????, ?????? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????? ????, ?? ?? ?????..
>>>>> ???????! ?? ???? ?? ???????????? ?????? ? ??????? 2020-?? ???????? ?????? ? ???????? ????????? "????? ??????". ???? ??, ??? ????? ??????? ???? "??????????" :). ????????? ?? ???? ????! :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. ???? ?? ?????? ??? ????????? "??????????" (?????, ??????? ??????? ?????????????????? ??????????) ? ????? ????????????? ????? ?? ?? ? ??? ????? ??????, ???? ? ????? ?????? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????????? ????????????? ? ???? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??, ????? ???????? ???????????? ? ???? ???? ?? ? ???????? ?????, ? ???? ? ????? ?????????? "??????"?
>>>>> 2. ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????????? ??????????. ?? ? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????: "???? ???? ??????! ? ???????????????? ?????????".
>>>>> 3. ???? ???-????? ????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ???????, ????????, ?..????? ? ????????????? (??, ?? ?? ? ??????.. ???? ?????? ?..????? ?? ??????? ???, ??? ????????? - ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ???? ????? ??????????). ???? ????? ? ??????????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????? ?????????? ????????, ????????, ?????????, ???, "???????????" ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????????? ??????????????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? OpenData, ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ??????
>>>>> 4. ? ???????, ?? ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????? ? 1932-33 ?????, ?? ???? ???
>>>>> 
>>>>> ? ?? ???? ???? "????", ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????????. ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????? ?? ?????.
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>>>>> 
>>>>> ???? ????????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ? ??? ??? ???????????. ??? ?????! ????????? ? ??????? ?????! ?? ??? ? ???? ????, ???? ??? ?? ?????????. ??? ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????????, ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????. ? ? ????-????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????.
>>>>> ? ??? ????? ? ??? ????? ? ?? ????. ????????, ??$??, ???.
>>>>> ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
>>>>> 
>>>>> ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ????????? :-D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ? 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
>>>>>> ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
>>>>>> ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
>>>>>> ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
>>>>>> ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
>>>>>> ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
>>>>>> ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
>>>>>> ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
>>>>>> ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
>>>>>> ??????.
>>>>>> ???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
>>>>>> ???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
>>>>>> ??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
>>>>>> ????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> ??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
>>>>>> ???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
>>>>>> ?????. ???????? ??????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????
>>>>>> ??? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
>>>>>> ??????.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> mbr,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Volodymyr Litovka
>>>>>> "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> /oleh hrynchuk
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>>>>> uanog mailing list
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Pavlo Narozhnyy
>>>> +380 95 276 31 46
>>>> https://www.techniqtrading.com/
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>> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
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>> 
>> 
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 16:02:39 2021
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> On 16 Oct 2021, at 11:29, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> ?????? "??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????????" ?? ????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ??????????? - ??? ??????, ? ?? ???????? ? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ? ??? ???????????. ??????, ????????????????? ????????, ?????? ???? ????????? ? ???????????????.

?????, ???? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??? ????????, ? ???????? ?? ????? ?????? 2 ??????, ????? ??????????. ????? ?? ?? ???????????????
???? ???????????? ??? ??? ??????? ??????.

> 
> ?? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????, ? ??????? ????? - ????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????.
> 
> ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ???????: ? ????? ????????? ???? ????? ??? ?????, ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? +/- - ??? ???? ? ????. ??? ????????? ???????? ?? ????? "?????????????". ?.?. ???? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ????????? (??????????? ?????, ??? ? ???????? - ?????????? ? ?????????), ?? ????? "???????????" ???????????? ??????. ????????? ???????: ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ??? ? ?????? ? ?????????, ? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ?? ? ??????????? ? ??????? ???? ? ????, ?? ???????????.

?????, ?? ??? ?? ???. ??????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????-?? ????????? ? ??????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????,
?? ??? ? ???, ??????????? ??? ?????????, ????????? ???? ? ???????? ?????????. ? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????, ?? ??????? ?????????
???? ? ?????? ? 50-? ????? ???????? ????. ??? ??? ?? ?? ?????. ??? ???, ? ?????????, ?? ??? ??? ??????. ?????? ?????? ??????.

> 
> ??? ???? ??? ???? ???????? - ????? ? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ? ???? ???????? ?????????? ?????, ??? ???????? ? ???????????? ? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ????????? ? "?? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?????". ?? ???? ?? ?????, ?? ?????????? 40+ ?????????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? ???????????. ?????????? ???????, ??? ????????????, ???? ???? ??????????? (? ??? ????!) ? ??????? ????????????????? ? ??????? 35 ??????. ??? ???? ??? ???????, ??? ??? ? ???????? ????????? ??????? ?????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????????????, ??????????? ???? ???????????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????.
> 
> ??? ???????? ???????? ? ?????? ????, ????? ?? ????????? ?????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??-?? ????????.
> 
> 16 ?????? 2021, 11:08:32, ??? "Igor Grabin" <violent at death.kiev.ua>:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:45:18AM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> > ? ? ????, ??? ????????? ?????? "?????? ??????????? ??????" ???????????????, ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???????????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ??:
> 
> ?????. ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????? ?????????? ? ?????.
> - ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ?????? ???????? 5G? ??? ?? ?????! ?????? ?????? 
> "??????????? ?? ??????????? ? ???????????? ????????"
> 
> ?? ?????? ?????? "do not resuscitate"
> 
> mbr,
> -- 
> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
> 
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hi,

 Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 16:02:39, tasic wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ?????, ?? ??? ?? ???. ??????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????-??
> ????????? ? ??????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??
> ????????, ?? ??? ? ???, ??????????? ??? ?????????, ????????? ???? ?
> ???????? ?????????. ? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????, ??
> ??????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? ? 50-? ????? ???????? ????. ??? ???
> ?? ?? ?????. ??? ???, ? ?????????, ?? ??? ??? ??????. ?????? ??????
> ??????.

?????????, ???????. ???? ?????? ? ??? ??? ?? ?????????. (????????,
????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????? ???? ? ???.)
?? ??? ??????? ???????:

> ?????? ?????? ??????? ?. ?????, ??????????? FDA ??? ???????? ???
> ??????????????? ?????????, ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????????
> ????? ?????. ????? ?? ???????? ????????, ?????????? ?? ???????
> ?????, ???? ??, ??? ???????? Richardson-Merrell ????? ? ?????
> ???????? ????????, ?? ???????? ?? ???? ? ??????? ??? FDA. ??????? ?.
> ?????, ???????? ?? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? Richardson-Merrell,
> ?? ???????? ???????? Kevadon, ? ?? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ???.

> ? 1961 ???? ????????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ?
> ???.

??? ??? ?????????, ??? ?????????? ???? ?? - ?????? ??? ?? ????????
???????? ?????, ?? ??? ???? ???????? ???????, ??? ????????
????????????, ????? ??????.


-netch-

From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sat Oct 16 16:48:28 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:48:28 +0300
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??????,

 16 ?????? 2021, 16:02:44, ??? "Taras Heichenko" < [tasic at academ.kiev.ua | tasic at academ.kiev.ua] >:  
> ?????, ???? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??? ????????, ? ???????? ?? ????? ?????? 2 ??????, ????? ??????????. ????? ?? ?? ???????????????
> ???? ???????????? ??? ??? ??????? ??????.
> 

?? ?????. ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ????????/?? ?????. ??????/dogtag ? ???????/??????? *????????*.

> 
> 
> > 
> > ?? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????????, ? ??????? ????? - ????????? ?????????? ????????, ??????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????????.
> > 
> > ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ???????: ? ????? ????????? ???? ????? ??? ?????, ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? +/- - ??? ???? ? ????. ??? ????????? ???????? ?? ????? "?????????????". ?.?. ???? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ????????? (??????????? ?????, ??? ? ???????? - ?????????? ? ?????????), ?? ????? "???????????" ???????????? ??????. ????????? ???????: ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ? ??? ? ?????? ? ?????????, ? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ?? ? ??????????? ? ??????? ???? ? ????, ?? ???????????.
> 
> ?????, ?? ??? ?? ???. ??????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????-?? ????????? ? ??????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?? ????????,
> ?? ??? ? ???, ??????????? ??? ?????????, ????????? ???? ? ???????? ?????????. ? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????, ?? ??????? ?????????
> ???? ? ?????? ? 50-? ????? ???????? ????. ??? ??? ?? ?? ?????. ??? ???, ? ?????????, ?? ??? ??? ??????. ?????? ?????? ??????.
> 
> 

?????????, ???? ?? ???????. "?????????" ??? ?????? ????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????? ????? ??????? ? ????. ??? ?? ??? "?????????" ?????? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????????? ? ???????1 ? ?????? ? ??????????/?????????????????? ? ???????????? ???????, ? ??-?? ?????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ?????? - ? ? ???????????? ????????.



From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sat Oct 16 17:02:33 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:02:33 +0300
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??????,

... a total of 17 children with thalidomide-induced malformations were born in the US. Oldham Kelsey was given a Presidential award for distinguished service from the federal government for not allowing thalidomide to be approved for sale in the US

16 ?????? 2021, 16:27:52, ??? "Valentin Nechayev" <netch at netch.kiev.ua>: 

> hi,
> 
>  Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 16:02:39, tasic wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 
> 
> > ?????, ?? ??? ?? ???. ??????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????-??
> > ????????? ? ??????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??
> > ????????, ?? ??? ? ???, ??????????? ??? ?????????, ????????? ???? ?
> > ???????? ?????????. ? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????, ??
> > ??????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? ? 50-? ????? ???????? ????. ??? ???
> > ?? ?? ?????. ??? ???, ? ?????????, ?? ??? ??? ??????. ?????? ??????
> > ??????.
> 
> ?????????, ???????. ???? ?????? ? ??? ??? ?? ?????????. (????????,
> ????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????? ???? ? ???.)
> ?? ??? ??????? ???????:
> 
> > ?????? ?????? ??????? ?. ?????, ??????????? FDA ??? ???????? ???
> > ??????????????? ?????????, ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????????
> > ????? ?????. ????? ?? ???????? ????????, ?????????? ?? ???????
> > ?????, ???? ??, ??? ???????? Richardson-Merrell ????? ? ?????
> > ???????? ????????, ?? ???????? ?? ???? ? ??????? ??? FDA. ??????? ?.
> > ?????, ???????? ?? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? Richardson-Merrell,
> > ?? ???????? ???????? Kevadon, ? ?? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ???.
> 
> > ? 1961 ???? ????????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ?
> > ???.
> 
> ??? ??? ?????????, ??? ?????????? ???? ?? - ?????? ??? ?? ????????
> ???????? ?????, ?? ??? ???? ???????? ???????, ??? ????????
> ????????????, ????? ??????.
> 
> 
> -netch-
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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 17:04:39 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:04:39 +0300
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> On 16 Oct 2021, at 16:27, Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 16:02:39, tasic wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 
> 
>> ?????, ?? ??? ?? ???. ??????? ????? ????? ???????, ??? ?????-??
>> ????????? ? ??????, ??????? ????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??
>> ????????, ?? ??? ? ???, ??????????? ??? ?????????, ????????? ???? ?
>> ???????? ?????????. ? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????????? ?? ?????, ??
>> ??????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? ? 50-? ????? ???????? ????. ??? ???
>> ?? ?? ?????. ??? ???, ? ?????????, ?? ??? ??? ??????. ?????? ??????
>> ??????.
> 
> ?????????, ???????. ???? ?????? ? ??? ??? ?? ?????????. (????????,
> ????? ??????? ? ???? ? ?????? ??????? ???? ? ???.)
> ?? ??? ??????? ???????:
> 
>> ?????? ?????? ??????? ?. ?????, ??????????? FDA ??? ???????? ???
>> ??????????????? ?????????, ????????? ?? ?????????? ????????????
>> ????? ?????. ????? ?? ???????? ????????, ?????????? ?? ???????
>> ?????, ???? ??, ??? ???????? Richardson-Merrell ????? ? ?????
>> ???????? ????????, ?? ???????? ?? ???? ? ??????? ??? FDA. ??????? ?.
>> ?????, ???????? ?? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? Richardson-Merrell,
>> ?? ???????? ???????? Kevadon, ? ?? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ???.
> 
>> ? 1961 ???? ????????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?????????? ????????? ?
>> ???.
> 
> ??? ??? ?????????, ??? ?????????? ???? ?? - ?????? ??? ?? ????????
> ???????? ?????, ?? ??? ???? ???????? ???????, ??? ????????
> ????????????, ????? ??????.

??? ???? ?????, ?? ??? ??? ????? ????????? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B4

?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ????????????? ????????, ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ??-?? ????? ?????????????? ????? ????, ??? ???? ???????????, ??? ? ?????? ? 1956 ?? 1962 ???? ? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?? 8000 ?? 12 000 ????? ? ??????????? ??????????, ?????????????? ???, ??? ?????? ????????? ????????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????????.

??? ?? ??????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ??? ??????? ????????. ?.?. ??? ????????????? ? ????? ??????? ???????? ????. ? ?????
?????????? ? ?? ???? ?? ????????. ??, ? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????????. ??? ? ??????. ? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???????, ???????? ?? ???
????????, ????????? ?? ???, ?????? ??????? ???? ?????. 

> 
> 
> -netch-

--
Taras Heichenko
tasic at academ.kiev.ua






From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 17:05:01 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
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hi,

 Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 21:59:39, maksym wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ???????? ????? ? ? ????? ????? ? ????????? ????????:
> ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? _????????_ vaccination rate 70% ??? ???????, ??????? _??????????_ ???????????? ? ?????????? ???. ????????????? ? ??? ????

??? ???? ???.
?????? ??? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ??????????????, spread ratio, ??? ??? ??
??? ??????? - ??????? ??????? ???????? ???? ????????.
? ?????? ?????????? ??????????.

> ?? ???? ???, ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ? ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ?????? ?? ??, ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????.

? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ????. ? ????? ?????? (???????? ??
???-?? ???????), ??? ?????? ??? ????????? ?????? ????????, ????
??????????? ????????? ????? ???? ???? ????? (?????????) ???????
?????-?? ???????? ????. ???? ????????????? ?????? - ???? ???
???????????? ?????. ????? ???????, ????? ????? ?? ????? ???????.


-netch-

From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 17:06:50 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:06:50 +0300
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hi,

 Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 17:04:39, tasic wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ????????????? ????????, ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ??-?? ????? ?????????????? ????? ????, ??? ???? ???????????, ??? ? ?????? ? 1956 ?? 1962 ???? ? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?? 8000 ?? 12 000 ????? ? ??????????? ??????????, ?????????????? ???, ??? ?????? ????????? ????????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????????.
> 
> ??? ?? ??????? ?????????? ????????. ??? ??? ??????? ????????. ?.?. ??? ????????????? ? ????? ??????? ???????? ????. ? ?????

?? ??? ??? ??? ????????, ???????? ?????.

? ?????, ?????? ???? ???? ? ???? ????????, ??????? ???????? ????? (??
???? ??????? ?????????????? ?? 25; ????????, ?? 16-18). ?? ????? ???
100500 ??????????.


-netch-

From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 16 17:12:37 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:12:37 +0300
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> On 16 Oct 2021, at 17:06, Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 17:04:39, tasic wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 
> 
>> ?????????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ????????????? ????????, ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ??-?? ????? ?????????????? ????? ????, ??? ???? ???????????, ??? ? ?????? ? 1956 ?? 1962 ???? ? ???? ????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?? 8000 ?? 12 000 ????? ? ??????????? ??????????, ?????????????? ???, ??? ?????? ????????? ????????? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????????.
>> 
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BTW, ????? ????????? (?? ?? ????, ????????? ??????), ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ??????? ???????? ?????????. ????? ?????
???? ??? ??????????. :)

> 
> 
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sat Oct 16 17:46:50 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:46:50 +0300
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> > 100500 ??????????.

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??? ? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ???????, ??? ???-?? ??????? ? ??????????? ????? ?????????.

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> ????????????? "?? ??????" ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ????, ???????. ?? ???????????. ?? ????? ?????.

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???? ??? ???????????? ??????, ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? ???????????, ? ??????? ?? ???.

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> BTW, ????? ????????? (?? ?? ????, ????????? ??????), ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ??????? ???????? ?????????. ????? ?????
> ???? ??? ??????????. :)

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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Sat Oct 16 19:37:07 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:37:07 +0200
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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??? ???? ??.

?? ???????? vaccination rate ? UAE ??? Portugal ? ? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? "?????????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? ??? "?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???????

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On 16 Oct 2021, 16:05 +0200, Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> hi,
>
> Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 21:59:39, maksym wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...":
>
> > ???????? ????? ? ? ????? ????? ? ????????? ????????:
> > ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? _????????_ vaccination rate 70% ??? ???????, ??????? _??????????_ ???????????? ? ?????????? ???. ????????????? ? ??? ????
>
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Sat Oct 16 20:08:34 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:08:34 +0200
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?? ???????? ??????? ? ????????? ???????? (???????????????????) ?

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"??????????????????? - ???????? ????????? ???????????? ??? ???? ??????, ???????????? ?? ?????????. ?????? ????????????? ???????? ??????? (???????? ???????????????? ?, ??????????????, ??????? ? ????????? ????? ???? ?????????) ? ??? ??????, ???? ?????????? ??????????? ?? ?????????????????? ??? ????? ????????????.

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On 16 Oct 2021, 09:49 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ????,
>
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> > > ??, 14 ????. 2021 ? 22:01 Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> ????:
> > > > ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
> > > >
> > > > ? The sample size?is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE?(mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
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> > > > On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > > ?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
> > > > > ???????????? ???????:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
> > > > >
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> > > > > The sample size is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
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> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > mbr,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > /oleh hrynchuk
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Pavlo Narozhnyy
> > > > > > +380 95 276 31 46
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??????,


16 ?????? 2021, 19:37:31, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>: 

> 
> ??? ???? ??.
> 
> ?? ???????? vaccination rate ? UAE ??? Portugal ? ? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? "?????????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? ??? "?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???????

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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Sat Oct 16 20:21:25 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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??????,

??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??????????? ?????????????? ?.?. ?? ?_??????_ ????????????????? ??? ????????????? ???????, ??? ??? ?????????.

? ? ? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????? ?.?. ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????, ????? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ?????????? ??? ???-?? ??????.

??????
On 16 Oct 2021, 09:45 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ????,
>
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>
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>
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>
> 15 ?????? 2021, 22:49:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > "???????? ????? ????????????. ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? - ? ?? ??????: ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????!
> >
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> >
> > ??? ????? ????? ?????? - ????????? ???, ??? ???????": ?????, ????????, ???????? ?????? ? ?.?.
> >
> > ??????
> > On 14 Oct 2021, 21:01 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > ???????? ????? ????????????. ?? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????.
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> > >
> > > 14 ?????? 2021, 21:42:52, ??? "Max Tulyev" <maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua>:
> > >
> > > > ??? ???? ???? ???: ???????? ?????? ??????????? ???? ?????????? ????????
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????,

?? ????? ????????? ???????? ??? ????

??????
On 15 Oct 2021, 22:15 +0200, Mike Petrusha <mp at disan.net>, wrote:
> ?????? ????? ?????? ???. ???????? ?? ????? ? ?? ????????.
> ????? "CLINICAL STUDY PROTOCOL" ?? ??????? ? ???, ??? ??? ? ???????.
> ????????, ??? ??, ??? ?????? ????????. ???????. "??????? ??????????
> ????????????."
> ??? ?? "???????? ????????", ??? ???????? ??????? ??????????.
> ??-????????? protocol - ???????, ???????, ????????.
> ??????: "Royal protocol dictates that members of the royal family
> must..." "??????????? ???????? ??????, ??? ????? ??????????? ?????
> ??????..."
> ?? ??? ???????? ? ????: TCP is Transmission Control Protocol.
>
> --
> Mike
>
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 21:53, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > "? ???, ?????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???????????? ? ?????????
> > ??? ??? ????? ?????????, ?????? ??? ? ??????? ???????.
> > ??? ? ?????? ????."
> >
> > ????, ??????, ?? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ???????? "CLINICAL STUDY PROTOCOL? ?.?. ???????? ???????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ???? ? ???????.
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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
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??????,

16 ?????? 2021, 20:21:47, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>: 

> 
> ??????,
> 
> ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????? ? ??????????? ?? ??????????? ?????????????? ?.?. ?? ?_??????_ ?????????  ?????? ??? ????????????? ???????, ??? ??? ?????????.

? ?? ?? ?????? ??? ???????????? 49? ?? ???????????. ??????????? ??????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?????? ?????????, ??, ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ??????'?, ?? ?? ??? ???? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ? ? ?? ? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ? ?-?????? ?? ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ?????? ?

> ? ? ? ???? ????????????? ???? ?????? ?.?. ????????? ??????? ??? ?????????, ????? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ?????????? ??? ???-?? ??????.

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??????, ? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?????, ? ????????? ?????. ?????????????? ?? ? :)

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Sat Oct 16 22:53:26 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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?????,

??? ?? (???????? ???? ????????) ?????? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????????? ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?.?. ?? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????????, ????? ????????? ???? ???????? ? ???????? ?????-?? ?????????

???????? ? ????????? ???????????? ???-?? ??????, ??????? ???????, ????????????? ????????? ? ?.?. - ? ????, ???? ? ?????? ?????? ????????? ??????????, ? ? ?-? ??????????? ? ????????????? ??????? ??" ??? 22 ?????? ???.

??????: ???? ? ??? ?? ?????????? ???? ??? ???? ??? - ?? ???????, ?? ????? ?? ????? ??????? _??????????_ ?????? ?? ?????????? 22 ???????.

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? ?? ????? ??? ??????????????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????

??????
On 15 Oct 2021, 11:03 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 14 Oct 2021, at 21:36, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > ???, ??? ?? "????? ???? 80%, 90%, 99%? - ??? ????? ??? ??? 80% ??? 90% ??? 99% ! ? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????!.
>
> ??, ????????, ?????????, ?? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? ???????. ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????, ? ? ?????? ????????, ??? ??????, ?????? ??
> ?????????????, ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????????????? ??????.
>
> >
> > ? ????? ????? 70%, ??????? 80% ? ?????? 90%, ?? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ?, ??? ????? ???????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????.
> >
> > ??????
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > uanog mailing list
> > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
>
>
>
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???? ? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ????????? ? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ??????????????? ???? ??? ? ??????????? ? ????, ?? ??? ???? ? ?? ??? ????????.

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On 14 Oct 2021, 18:49 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
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> On 13.10.2021 12:36, Oleh Hrynchuk wrote:
> > ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
> ?? ??? - ? ??? ?????????? ??????? (??????????), ???? ????? ?? ?????????????.
> ? ?? ????????? ?? ????? ?? ?????????????, ??? ?????????, ? ?????? ???????, ?? ????????? ? ????????? ????????? (??? ??????????? ??????????? - ?? ?? ?????????? ???, ??? ?? ???? ????????????? ? ???????? ??????). ?????, ??? ???? ???? ?????, ????????? ?????????? [??????] ?????.
> ??????, ???????????? - ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ????????? ????????? ??????? ????????? ????????? "?????????? ??????????" ? ??????.
> ??? ? ????? ? ????, ?? ??????? ?? ??? ? ??????? ??? "????????? ????????????????", ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ????? Open Source (??????????? ???????????? - ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????), ???? ????? ? ????????? ????? (??? ??? ? ???????? ??????), ???? (??????? ?? ??????) "?????????? ?? ????????????" (????. "????????? ??????????" ??? "????????? ???????? ???????????? ?????? ????") ? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????????.
> ? ???????? ?? "????????????????? ?????????"? ?? - ? ???????, ???????? ?? ????????? ??????. ???? ? ??????? ???? ????????? ?????????????? - ?????? ??????????.
>
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On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 09:53:26PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ??????: ???? ? ??? ?? ?????????? ???? ??? ???? ??? - ?? ???????, ?? ????? ?? ????? ??????? _??????????_ ?????? ?? ?????????? 22 ???????.
> ????????? ??? ???? ? ???????????? ? ??????????????:
> ?????? 2020 - ?????? ??? ?????????"
> ??????? 2020 - ???????? ????"
> ???? - ??! ???????
> ?????? - ??????? ?????
> ??? - ?? ???????? ?????! ????? ????? ?????.
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> On 16 Oct 2021, at 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ?????,
> 
> ??? ?? (???????? ???? ????????) ?????? ?? ??????????? ? ?????????????? ?? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?.?. ?? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????????, ????? ????????? ???? ???????? ? ???????? ?????-?? ?????????
> 
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> 
> ??????: ???? ? ??? ?? ?????????? ???? ??? ???? ??? - ?? ???????, ?? ????? ?? ????? ??????? _??????????_ ?????? ?? ?????????? 22 ???????.

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?? ?? ?????????? ?????? (??? ? ???? ?? ????? ???? ? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????? ????? ?????????????), ?? ??????? ????. ????? ??????????????
???? ?????. ????????? ?????.

> 
> ????????? ??? ???? ? ???????????? ? ??????????????:
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> ??????? 2020 - ?????? ????"
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> ??????
> On 15 Oct 2021, 11:03 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Oct 2021, at 21:36, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ???, ??? ?? "????? ???? 80%, 90%, 99%? - ??? ????? ??? ??? 80% ??? 90% ??? 99% ! ? ? ???, ????? ????? ????? ????????? ???????!.
>> 
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>> 
>>> 
>>> ? ????? ????? 70%, ??????? 80% ? ?????? 90%, ?? ??? ???????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ?, ??? ????? ???????, ???????? ???? ? ?????????? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ??????????.
>>> 
>>> ??????
>>>> 
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>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????????

??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.

? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? 
????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? 
??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.

???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? 
?????_ ? ?????????.

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On 16 Oct 2021, 19:15 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
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> > ??????On 16 Oct 2021, 09:49 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
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> > > > ??????On 15 Oct 2021, 07:14 +0200, Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com>, wrote:
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> > > > > ??, 14 ????. 2021 ? 22:01 Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> ????:
> > > > > > ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
> > > > > > The sample size is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
> > > > > > This is a case-driven study and thus final sample size of the study will depend on the actual attack rate of COVID-19 - ?.?. ???? actual attack rate of COVID-19 ?? ????? ??? ?????, ?? ???????? ???-?? ???????????
> > > > > > All participants may have up to 7 scheduled clinic visits, including Screening, Day 1, Day 29, Day 57, Day 209, Day 394, and Day 759 - ?.?. ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????????? "????? ????????
> > > > > > Approximately 30,000 participants will be randomly assigned in 1:1 ratio to receive either mRNA-1273 100 ?g or placebo. - ??? ???????? ?????????, ??????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????? "will be randomly assigned? ? ? ?????? "Approximately 30,000 participants?? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????, ???-?? ???????????
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> > > > > > ??????On 13 Oct 2021, 11:52 +0200, Pavlo Narozhnyy <paveln at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > > > > ?? ???? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ?????????, ?? ??? ??????????, ????????
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> > > > > > > ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 12:36 Oleh Hrynchuk <oleh.hrynchuk at gmail.com> ????:
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> > > > > > > > ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
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> > > > > > > > > On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > mbr,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
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CNN, September 29, 2021: China has built a 5,000-room quarantine center for overseas arrivals
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

"Travelers will be transferred on buses directly from the airport, and confined to their rooms for at least two weeks. Each room is fitted with a video chat camera and an artificial intelligence-powered thermometer, with three meals a day delivered by robots -- all designed to minimize direct contact with staff members"

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> 16 ?????? 2021, 19:37:31, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
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17 ?????? 2021, 18:27:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>: 

> 
> ????? ?????? ??? ? ???????:
> CNN, September 29, 2021: China has built a 5,000-room quarantine center for overseas arrivals
> https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
> 
> "Travelers will be transferred on buses directly from the airport, and confined to their rooms for at least two weeks. Each room is fitted with a video chat camera and an artificial intelligence-powered thermometer, with three meals a day delivered by robots -- all designed to minimize direct contact with staff members"
> ??????On 16 Oct 2021, 19:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > ??????,
> > 
> > 
> > 16 ?????? 2021, 19:37:31, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > 
> > > 
> > > ??? ???? ??.
> > > 
> > > ?? ???????? vaccination rate ? UAE ??? Portugal ? ? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? "?????????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? ??? "?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???????
> > 
> > ???? ?????????????????: ? ???????? ?????? ??????? ???? -> ??????? ? ?????? (?????, ?????) = ????????? = ?????????? -> ??????? ???? (??????). ? ??????????? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ?????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????? ????????????. ????? ????????????? ? ????-?? ????????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? => ?????? ?????????.
> > 
> > ????? ?????????? - ????????? ????? ????????? 3-6 ???. ????????, ???????? ? ??????? ???? ?????, ?? 15 ??????? ????????? ??? ???? ? ?????????????? ????????? ??? ?????? ???????????, ??????? - ?? 30-??.
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Mar. 16, 2021, Haaretz Israel Paid Nearly $800 Million for COVID Vaccines, and Expects the Final Cost Will Be Double: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-paid-nearly-800m-for-vaccines-and-expects-the-final-cost-will-be-double-1.9624118

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On 16 Oct 2021, 22:32 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 09:53:26PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> mbr,
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From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:28:55 +0300
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On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 08:07:21PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sun Oct 17 21:45:47 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:45:47 +0300
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> > > > > > > ??????? ? ????? ??? ???-?? ?????????? (Sample Size):
> > > > > > > The sample size is driven by the total number of cases to demonstrate VE (mRNA-1273 vs. placebo) to prevent COVID-19 - ??? ? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????
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> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ???? ????????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ? ??? ??? ???????????. ??? ?????! ????????? ? ??????? ?????! ?? ??? ? ???? ????, ???? ??? ?? ?????????. ??? ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ????????, ???????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????, ? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ???????. ? ? ????-????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????.
> > > > > > > > > ? ??? ????? ? ??? ????? ? ?? ????. ????????, ??$??, ???.
> > > > > > > > > ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ???? ??????????. ? ?????? ?? ????????? ????? ?????, ??? ? ?? 100% ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ? ??????? - ??????? ???? ?? ???????????, ?? ??????. ? ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ??? ???? (????? ???? ????? ???? ? ???? ????????, ?????? :)).
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ???? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ???, ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????????
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ??, 13 ????. 2021 ? 10:52 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ????????? :-D
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ? ? ?????? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?? - "??????????? ?? ?????????? ????? ? ?????????, ?? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????????? 18-?? ????, ??????? ? 30 ??? ??????? ?? ???????????, ????????? ??? ???????"
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > On 13.10.2021 10:39, Igor Grabin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:14:46AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ?? ???? ??????? - "???????" -
> > > > > > > > > > ???????? ?? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ? ????????, ???
> > > > > > > > > > ?????????????? ??? ????? ? ??? ???, ?? ???? ??????? - ? ??????????
> > > > > > > > > > ?????????????? - ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ????????? ?? ???????
> > > > > > > > > > ????? ???????????????? ???????? ??? ?????????????? "???????".
> > > > > > > > > > ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????, ??
> > > > > > > > > > ?????? ??? ????????? ????????????????.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ??, ??, ??. ??, ??????, ?????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?
> > > > > > > > > > ???? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????, ? ???
> > > > > > > > > > ?????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ???? - ????? ?????????? ?????. ???? ?? ? ????? ??? ??, ???? ?? ?????
> > > > > > > > > > ??????.
> > > > > > > > > > ???? ???????? - ? ?? 30, ?? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????
> > > > > > > > > > ???????? ?????. ? ????????? - ????? ????????? ???? ??????? ? ?? ?????.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ?????????-?? ????? ???. ???????? 5G ????? ????????? ???????, ???
> > > > > > > > > > ??????? ?? ???????? ? ??????????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?????.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????
> > > > > > > > > > ????????????? ??????? ??????. ? - ????????.
> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > ??????????? - ??? ?? ??? ??????? ????. ? ?? ??? ???????????. ? ??????
> > > > > > > > > > ???????, ??????????? - ??? ??? ?????? ? ????????, ? ???????? ? ???
> > > > > > > > > > ?????. ???????? ??????? ?????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????
> > > > > > > > > > ??? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ??? ????.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ?? ??? ????????? ???? ? ???????????. ????? ?????????? ??????? ?
> > > > > > > > > > ??????.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > mbr,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > > > > > "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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> > > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Pavlo Narozhnyy
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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Sun Oct 17 23:17:27 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 23:17:27 +0300
Subject: [uanog]
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References: <FC231D23-AFC3-4636-934D-887F2AC61592@academ.kiev.ua>
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Message-ID: <20211017201727.GX5646@death.kiev.ua>

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 11:29:44AM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ?????? "??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????????" ?? ????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ??????????? - ??? ??????, ? ?? ???????? ? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ? ??? ???????????. ??????, ????????????????? ????????, ?????? ???? ????????? ? ???????????????.

? ??? ?????, ????? ??????????? ??????????? ? ??????, ??? ????????
????? ????????? ??? ??????? - ?? ????????????? 
?????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ;-)

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From doka at funlab.cc  Mon Oct 18 13:30:46 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:30:46 +0300
Subject: [uanog] LAN cables can be sniffed to reveal network traffic
 with a $30 setup
In-Reply-To: <CAHus3uLSU6NKX6ubBW1ykiMGJ5T++57k7M6FX7c+ojb38XsQyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1cd93aa-a5bc-301c-7795-21b3d2a2b1e5@funlab.cc>
 <CAHus3uLSU6NKX6ubBW1ykiMGJ5T++57k7M6FX7c+ojb38XsQyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8691c4d4-f3d1-d8c5-6cb2-874696ea2aa0@funlab.cc>

??????,

On 18.10.2021 11:03, Volodymyr Yakovenko wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 17:12 Volodymyr Litovka, <doka at funlab.cc> wrote:
>
>     ????????, ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ??? macsec, ??? ???
>     ????????????? IPv6 ? ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ????????? IPSec.
>
>     ???, ?????????, ?????????????? ??????????? ????????? - OVS - ??
>     ????????? macsec. ?? ?????? h/w ?????????? ??????????? macsec?
>
> ????? ? ?????? ???? - PHY ??? switching ASIC ? ?????????? MACsec ??? 
> ?????? ??? mainstream.
>
> ?? ? ??????? ??????? ? MKA ??? ????????.
>
> ??? ????????? ? ???? MACsec ?????????????? ??????????? ??? 
> switch/router-switch/router links.
>
> ??? large deployments switch-machine MACsec ? ?? ???.

MACSEC - ?? ?????????? ????????? ??????, ??? ? ??????? ?????? ???? 
?????????? ??????????? macsec (?????? ??????????? ???????? full mesh 
macsec, ?? ?? ??? ??????? ?????). ??? ???? ??????????? LAN over WAN ? 
??????????? ? ??????? ?????? ????????? ?????? ???? ????? :) And again - 
OVS ?? ????????? macsec, ?? ????????? ???????????? ???? (macsec) 
???????????? ? ????????? ???????.


    ??? ????? ????????????? IPv6 ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???????, ??? ??
    ???? ?????? ? ????????? ???? - ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????
    ?????????? IPsec ? IPv6 ???????????

> ??? ?? ???? ???????? ????????.

? ?????? ???????? ? ????? ???????? :)

TLS - ??, ?? ??????? ???????? app layer. ??? ????, ?? ???? ????????? ?? 
VPN, ?? ?????? ???? ??????????. ? ????? ???? ??????? - ?? ?????? 
????????: ????? ??????? ??? ????????????? ???????? ?'??????? upon demand 
(?????? ? ????? ???? ???????????????, ??? ????? ? ??????? ?? 
????????????), ??? ?????????? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????????? ???? 
(?? ????? ????? ?????????? - ? ??????????? ??????????? ??? ? ??????????? 
??????????? ????????????? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ????????????).


????????? ???????? ? ???????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? 
?????????? ?? ????? app, ??? plenty of TLS VPNs - ?? ???????????????, 
wireguard/???? - ?? ???? policy-based encryption (e.g. OSPF'?? ??? ?? 
?????), ? ? IPSec ??? ? ???????? ?????????? - ???? (!!!) ?? ??? 
?????????? ??????????? tunnel-based VPN (???, ?????????, ????????? 
dynamic routing ? ?????????? ??????), ???? ?? ??? ????? ??????? 
????????????? ????????.

???? ??????? (? ?? ????????, though) ??? ??, ?? ????????? 
????????????????? IPSec ? IPv6 ???? ? ????? ?????????? ??? ???????: (1) 
?????????? ?????????? ?? (2) ????????? ????????????????? ???????? 
????????? ? ????-????? ???????? (??? ? ??? ??? IoT ?????? - ?? ????? 
????????? ????-?? ?? ????-?????? ????????? ??????, ????????? - ???, ?? 
?????, ? ?????? ?? RFC).

?????????????? - ?? ????? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??????????? ???????? ??? 
?????????? ???? ??? TLS ?? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ?????.


-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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From doctorchd at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:16:41 2021
From: doctorchd at gmail.com (Dmytro Cherkasov)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:16:41 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
In-Reply-To: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>
References: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>
Message-ID: <CAP5kh1C7ESLp4csyqyserPRheDPvWDhWDwWCw1=C=ZSn0vGwcg@mail.gmail.com>

????????? ? Igor Grabin -- ???????? ??? ???????. ????????? 5 ?. ???? ???
????????:
????? 1
[server]----1GbE----[switch]----1GbE----[client]

????? 2
[server]----10GbE---[switch]----1GbE----[client]

? ????? 1 ????????? TCP ????? ??? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? 1Gbps. ?????
???????? ??? ????? 1 ?? ????? 2 ????????? ?????? ?? 300Mbps. ????????
?????? ??????????, ?? TCP ????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
????????? ???????????? ????????. ????????? ????????? ? ?????????? ??
????? ?? ???? ??????? ?? 1 Gbps ????????? ???? ???????? 1Gbps ?? ???????.
?????????? ??????? ?????????? 1-10 ???. ??? ?????? ???????? ?????
?????????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??? ??????????.
???? -- Dell N1500, ???????? ????? (? ??? ???????, shared) -- 1,5MB.

??, 15 ????. 2021 ? 14:48 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:

> ??????,
>
> ? ??? ??? ???? ????????, ? ? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :) ? ???????, ??
> ??????? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? -
>
> ?? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????? (?? ???? ??? shared) ????????? ???
> ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? traffic
> bursts? ?? ????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ??
> ??????? ?? ?????? "? ???? ??? ???????", "? ??????? ??????? ????? ?
> ????????? ?? ???????????" ?? ???? ????, ? ?? ?????????-??????????? -
> ???????? ?????? ? ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ??,
> ?????????, ?? ??????????? ?????????? 24x1G + 2x10G ? ????????????
> ????????????????????? ???????????
>
> ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? :)
>
> ?????.
>
> --
> Volodymyr Litovka
>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pvit at tcom.uz.ua  Mon Oct 18 16:31:18 2021
From: pvit at tcom.uz.ua (Vitaliy Puchkov)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:31:18 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
References: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>
 <CAP5kh1C7ESLp4csyqyserPRheDPvWDhWDwWCw1=C=ZSn0vGwcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDC7AFE231D44944984B29D215894F67@TSRV>

?????? ????.

???????, ???? ?????, ??? ?????? "????????? TCP ????? ??? ??????? ?? 
???????"?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dmytro Cherkasov" <doctorchd at gmail.com>
To: "List, Uanog" <uanog at uanog.kiev.ua>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [uanog] switch's port buffers


> ????????? ? Igor Grabin -- ???????? ??? ???????. ????????? 5 ?. ???? ???
> ????????:
> ????? 1
> [server]----1GbE----[switch]----1GbE----[client]
>
> ????? 2
> [server]----10GbE---[switch]----1GbE----[client]
>
> ? ????? 1 ????????? TCP ????? ??? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? 1Gbps. 
> ?????
> ???????? ??? ????? 1 ?? ????? 2 ????????? ?????? ?? 300Mbps. ????????
> ?????? ??????????, ?? TCP ????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
> ????????? ???????????? ????????. ????????? ????????? ? ?????????? ??
> ????? ?? ???? ??????? ?? 1 Gbps ????????? ???? ???????? 1Gbps ?? ???????.
> ?????????? ??????? ?????????? 1-10 ???. ??? ?????? ???????? ?????
> ?????????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??? ??????????.
> ???? -- Dell N1500, ???????? ????? (? ??? ???????, shared) -- 1,5MB.
>
> ??, 15 ????. 2021 ? 14:48 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
>
>> ??????,
>>
>> ? ??? ??? ???? ????????, ? ? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :) ? ???????, ??
>> ??????? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? -
>>
>> ?? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????? (?? ???? ??? shared) ????????? ???
>> ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? 
>> traffic
>> bursts? ?? ????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ??
>> ??????? ?? ?????? "? ???? ??? ???????", "? ??????? ??????? ????? ?
>> ????????? ?? ???????????" ?? ???? ????, ? ?? ?????????-??????????? -
>> ???????? ?????? ? ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ??,
>> ?????????, ?? ??????????? ?????????? 24x1G + 2x10G ? ????????????
>> ????????????????????? ???????????
>>
>> ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? :)
>>
>> ?????.
>>
>> --
>> Volodymyr Litovka
>>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
>> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
>> https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>


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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Mon Oct 18 18:58:41 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:58:41 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
In-Reply-To: <CAP5kh1C7ESLp4csyqyserPRheDPvWDhWDwWCw1=C=ZSn0vGwcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c86569cc-7f5b-4826-643c-6c44c5519da1@funlab.cc>
 <CAP5kh1C7ESLp4csyqyserPRheDPvWDhWDwWCw1=C=ZSn0vGwcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20211018155841.GY5646@death.kiev.ua>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 02:16:41PM +0300, Dmytro Cherkasov wrote:
> ????????? ? Igor Grabin -- ???????? ??? ???????. ????????? 5 ?. ???? ???
> ????????:
> ????? 1
> [server]----1GbE----[switch]----1GbE----[client]
> 
> ????? 2
> [server]----10GbE---[switch]----1GbE----[client]
?????, ?? ??????? ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ? ??????? - ???
?????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. ?? ??? ???????
????????? ??????? ???? ??????.

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Mon Oct 18 19:37:41 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:37:41 +0200
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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In-Reply-To: <eaf86b74-7e59-a3d9-4463-a280c42e2bcf@funlab.cc>
References: <CAJWhN-pmc06Ntb9ZPFGaJbmiyr0cb6svQTKNhXZMobUjPw3HLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <992348e0-c29b-4469-9b72-f0a7a8bfb00f@Spark>
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????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>
> On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
> ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> --
> Volodymyr Litovka
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??????,

?? ???????? ??????? ??? ???? ???????. ? ?? ??? ???????? ? ??? ? ? ???? ???? ??? ? ??, ????? ????? ??? ??? ?

18 ?????? 2021, 19:38:05, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 20:29 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 08:07:21PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> - ???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ??????.
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>
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> ?????? ??????? ?? ??????? ????? ??????, ??????? ??????...
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>
> mbr,
> --
> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Mon Oct 18 21:59:28 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:59:28 +0300
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
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?? ??????.
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?????? ???????????.
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mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From maksym at tulyuk.com  Mon Oct 18 22:26:18 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:26:18 +0200
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??????,

?? ????????? ????????????? ?????? ? ??????? ??? ???????????? ??????

?????? 2020: ????? ?????? ??????? ??? 60 ????????? ? ???????????? ????? - ???????? ???? ?? ???????? ????????????? ??????????????? ???, ? ??????????????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ???????????? ??????. ?? ???????, ??? ????????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ??????? ???????????

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?????????, ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?? ????????? ???????????? ????? - ? ??? ??????????? _?????????_ ?????????? ???????.

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 19:04 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ????? - ??? ?? ?????????? ????????.
>
> ??????? ? ?????? ???? ? ???????? - ??? ?????? ??????? "????????????? ? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ????????????? ????? ?? ????????".
>
> 17 ?????? 2021, 18:27:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> >
> > ????? ?????? ??? ? ???????:
> > CNN, September 29, 2021: China has built a 5,000-room quarantine center for overseas arrivals
> > https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
> >
> > "Travelers will be transferred on buses directly from the airport, and confined to their rooms for at least two weeks. Each room is fitted with a video chat camera and an artificial intelligence-powered thermometer, with three meals a day delivered by robots -- all designed to minimize direct contact with staff members"
> > ??????On 16 Oct 2021, 19:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > >
> > > 16 ?????? 2021, 19:37:31, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ??? ???? ??.
> > > >
> > > > ?? ???????? vaccination rate ? UAE ??? Portugal ? ? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? "?????????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? ??? "?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???????
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > ??? ?? ???? ????????????? ???????? ? outbrake'?? ? ??? ?????? ?? ???????, ????????, ? ??? ???-??, ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????????????????, ?????? ???????, ?????!
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Mon Oct 18 22:29:01 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
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??????,

18 ?????? 2021, 21:59:39, ??? "Igor Grabin" <violent at death.kiev.ua>:

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
????

> ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
?? ??????.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
?????? ???????????. 
??????????????? ?????????? % ????????????????? ? ??????? ? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????:
??????? (61.9%) - 7.
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??????? - 49 (14,7%)
????????? (67,2), ?????? - 4
UK (66,7%) - 12
??????? - 123. (29.3%)
?????? - 1. ??????????. 67.4%
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????? (56,3%) ? 4.

???? ??? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?????????? ? ???????? ? ???.

Out of more than 51,000 Covid deaths in England between January and July 2021, only 256 occurred after two doses.

? ??????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????, ??????? ? ???? ????? ????????, ??? ????????????.


?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
????????? ????? ???????.

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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:49:49 +0300
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??????,

????? ? ?????? ??? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ????. ???????? ??????????? ??? ? ??????????? ?????? ??-???????.
???, ?? - ? ???? ?????????? ????????. ???????? ??? ? ???????????, ??????? ? ?????? ? ??? ? ?? ??????.

??? ??????? ? ???????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????. ?? ????????? ??? ??????? ??, ??? ????? ??????? ?????. ? ?? ????????? ? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ????????? ????????. ? ????? "???????? ???????????" ?? ????????????? ? ??????? ???????????????? - ????. ?? ?? ????? ? ???: ??????????? ????????? ?????? ??-?????? ??????????? ?? ???????? - ? ?????? ?????? ????? ???????????.

????? ????? ?? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ????????, ??? ??/???.

? ??, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????????, ??????? ????????? ??????, ?????????-?? ??????. ??? ?? ??????????? ????? ??-??????? ? :)

18 ?????? 2021, 22:26:42, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

?? ????????? ????????????? ?????? ? ??????? ??? ???????????? ??????

?????? 2020: ????? ?????? ??????? ??? 60 ????????? ? ???????????? ????? - ???????? ???? ?? ???????? ????????????? ??????????????? ???, ? ??????????????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ???????????? ??????. ?? ???????, ??? ????????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ??????? ???????????

??, ???? ????? ???????? ?????????: ? ?????? ????? 10 ?????? ???????? ??? ????????? ??????? (????? ?????????????? ??????? ?? ?????) ? ?????? 4,5 ????? ?? 60 ?????????, ???????? ??? ???????. ? ????? ??????????? ????????

? ???? ????? ????????, ?????? ? ????? ??????????: ? ??? ???? ???????? ???? (?????? ??????????? ??????) ? ???? ????????? ??? ????? ?????????? (??? ????? ???? ?? ????????? 0 ???????)

?????????, ? ?????? ?? ???????? ?? ????????? ???????????? ????? - ? ??? ??????????? _?????????_ ?????????? ???????.

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 19:04 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
??????,

????? - ??? ?? ?????????? ????????.

??????? ? ?????? ???? ? ???????? - ??? ?????? ??????? "????????????? ? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ????????????? ????? ?? ????????".

17 ?????? 2021, 18:27:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


????? ?????? ??? ? ???????:
CNN, September 29, 2021: China has built a 5,000-room quarantine center for overseas arrivals
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

"Travelers will be transferred on buses directly from the airport, and confined to their rooms for at least two weeks. Each room is fitted with a video chat camera and an artificial intelligence-powered thermometer, with three meals a day delivered by robots -- all designed to minimize direct contact with staff members"
??????On 16 Oct 2021, 19:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
??????,


16 ?????? 2021, 19:37:31, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??? ???? ??.

?? ???????? vaccination rate ? UAE ??? Portugal ? ? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? "?????????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? ??? "?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? 
???? ?????????????????: ? ???????? ?????? ??????? ???? -> ??????? ? ?????? (?????, ?????) = ????????? = ?????????? -> ??????? ???? (??????). ? ??????????? ?? ???????, ???? ?? ?????? ?????????? ???? ???????? ????? ????????, ??????? ????? ???????? ????????????. ????? ????????????? ? ????-?? ????????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? => ?????? ?????????.

????? ?????????? - ????????? ????? ????????? 3-6 ???. ????????, ???????? ? ??????? ???? ?????, ?? 15 ??????? ????????? ??? ???? ? ?????????????? ????????? ??? ?????? ???????????, ??????? - ?? 30-??.

?? ?????? ??????????.

??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????? ? ?????, ? ???, ??? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ? ????????? (???????? ?????? ? ???????? ??? ???? ?????????) ? ??? ????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ????? ??????: ?? ??????? ?????????? ????, ??? ??????? - ??? ???????????? ?????? ???????? ????????. 
??? ?? ???? ????????????? ???????? ? outbrake'?? ? ??? ?????? ?? ???????, ????????, ? ??? ???-??, ??? ??????????? ????????, ??????????? ??????. ?????? ??? ?????????????????, ?????? ???????, ?????! _______________________________________________
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From doctorchd at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 23:02:40 2021
From: doctorchd at gmail.com (Dmytro Cherkasov)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:02:40 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
In-Reply-To: <CDC7AFE231D44944984B29D215894F67@TSRV>
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?????? iperf, wget, scp

??, 18 ????. 2021 ? 16:31 Vitaliy Puchkov <pvit at tcom.uz.ua> ????:

> ?????? ????.
>
> ???????, ???? ?????, ??? ?????? "????????? TCP ????? ??? ??????? ??
> ???????"?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dmytro Cherkasov" <doctorchd at gmail.com>
> To: "List, Uanog" <uanog at uanog.kiev.ua>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [uanog] switch's port buffers
>
>
> > ????????? ? Igor Grabin -- ???????? ??? ???????. ????????? 5 ?. ???? ???
> > ????????:
> > ????? 1
> > [server]----1GbE----[switch]----1GbE----[client]
> >
> > ????? 2
> > [server]----10GbE---[switch]----1GbE----[client]
> >
> > ? ????? 1 ????????? TCP ????? ??? ??????? ?? ??????? ????????? 1Gbps.
> > ?????
> > ???????? ??? ????? 1 ?? ????? 2 ????????? ?????? ?? 300Mbps. ????????
> > ?????? ??????????, ?? TCP ????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?
> > ????????? ???????????? ????????. ????????? ????????? ? ?????????? ??
> > ????? ?? ???? ??????? ?? 1 Gbps ????????? ???? ???????? 1Gbps ?? ???????.
> > ?????????? ??????? ?????????? 1-10 ???. ??? ?????? ???????? ?????
> > ?????????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??? ??????????.
> > ???? -- Dell N1500, ???????? ????? (? ??? ???????, shared) -- 1,5MB.
> >
> > ??, 15 ????. 2021 ? 14:48 Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> ????:
> >
> >> ??????,
> >>
> >> ? ??? ??? ???? ????????, ? ? ?? ???? ?? ?????????? :) ? ???????, ??
> >> ??????? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ???? -
> >>
> >> ?? ????? ????????, ??????? ?????? (?? ???? ??? shared) ????????? ???
> >> ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?????
> >> traffic
> >> bursts? ?? ????? ????????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ??
> >> ??????? ?? ?????? "? ???? ??? ???????", "? ??????? ??????? ????? ?
> >> ????????? ?? ???????????" ?? ???? ????, ? ?? ?????????-??????????? -
> >> ???????? ?????? ? ????? ?????? ? ???????? ?????? ????????? ??????????
> ??,
> >> ?????????, ?? ??????????? ?????????? 24x1G + 2x10G ? ????????????
> >> ????????????????????? ???????????
> >>
> >> ????? ??????? ??? ???????? ????????? :)
> >>
> >> ?????.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Volodymyr Litovka
> >>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> >>
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> >> uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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>
>
>
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From doctorchd at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 23:09:25 2021
From: doctorchd at gmail.com (Dmytro Cherkasov)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:09:25 +0300
Subject: [uanog] switch's port buffers
In-Reply-To: <20211018155841.GY5646@death.kiev.ua>
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??, ?? ??? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???'??????? ??????? ?????????
????????? ????????. ? ????????, ????? ????????? ????????? ????? ????
??????????? ????????, ? ???????????? ?????? ? ??? ?????? ????????? ???? 8
?????????? ????? ?? 8 ????????. ? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ? ??? ????????, ??? ???
"?????"?

??, 18 ????. 2021 ? 18:58 Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua> ????:

> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 02:16:41PM +0300, Dmytro Cherkasov wrote:
> > ????????? ? Igor Grabin -- ???????? ??? ???????. ????????? 5 ?. ???? ???
> > ????????:
> > ????? 1
> > [server]----1GbE----[switch]----1GbE----[client]
> >
> > ????? 2
> > [server]----10GbE---[switch]----1GbE----[client]
> ?????, ?? ??????? ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ? ??????? - ???
> ?????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????. ?? ??? ???????
> ????????? ??????? ???? ??????.
>
> mbr,
> --
> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>
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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Tue Oct 19 00:02:11 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:02:11 +0300
Subject: [uanog]
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:29:01PM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ??????? - 49 (14,7%)
...??? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ??, ??? ?? ??????? ??????????
??????????? ? ?????? ??????. ?, ? ??????? ???????????? ????? ???????
???????, ??? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????????. ?? ?????????
credibility ?????????, ??? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ????
?????????-?? ????????????????.

> ?????? - 1. ??????????. 67.4%
?????? ?????????????????? ?????. ??? ?????? ???????????????? ????????
????????. ????? ??????? indoors ???????. ?????????? ?????? ? ???, ???
?? ?????? ? ????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?? ?????????, ????
???????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? Co2. ? ?????, ??????? ?
??????-?? ?????????? - "????????? ???????????? ?????????????,
????????? ?? ??????".

> ????? (58,8%) ? ????? - 78 ? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? 1 ???.
????? ???? ?? ???? - ???? ????????? ??????, ??? ??? ????? ?? ???. ????
?????-?? ????? ????. ????? ????????? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?
????? ??????????? ???????.

> Out of more than 51,000 Covid deaths in England between January and July 2021, only 256 occurred after two doses.
> ? ??????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????, ??????? ? ???? ????? ????????, ??? ????????????.
??????????? ?????? ?????????? ???????. ??? ??? ????? ?? 256 ??????,
??? ?????????? ??????? ??????. ?? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????
??????? ? ???, ??? ????????? ??.

> <????>
> ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
> </????>
> ?????? ? :)
(?????? ?????) ?????.
Finnish small talk is silence.
What we call social distancing, is in fact damn close socializing in
Finland.
? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ??????? ?????-??????? ???
??? ?? ??? ????. ? ????
https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/62417144813689879/

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From doka at funlab.cc  Tue Oct 19 11:59:56 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:59:56 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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????,

? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? 
? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", 
"???????????" ? ?????? ?????.

? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? 
???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? 
??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? 
???? ???????????.

On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
>
> ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? 
> ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? 
> ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? 
> ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? 
> ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? 
> ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
>
> ??????
> On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????????
>>
>> ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
>>
>> ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? 
>> ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? 
>> ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? 
>> ??????.
>>
>> ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? 
>> ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
>>
>> --
>> Volodymyr Litovka
>>    "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>> _______________________________________________
>> uanog mailing list
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>
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Tue Oct 19 12:07:37 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:07:37 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?0JPQsNC00LDRjiwg0YnQviDRgtGD0YLQtdGI0L3RltC5?=
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???????????? ??????????????? ? ????????? ?????????? ???????????????.

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? ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ???????, ?????? ????? ?????? ???? ??????????????:
???? ?? ?????? ???????????? ??????????, ??? ????? 80% ??????? ????? SARS Covi-2 (?????????? Covid-19) ?? ???????? ??????, ? ??? 20% ???????? ??????????????????.

??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????????????? ???????????????? ???????? "????????? ???? "?":

? ????????? ????????? ? ?????? ???????????,
? ???????????? ?????? ????
? ??????????? ?????????? ????? ? ????

19 ?????? 2021, 12:00:11, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at funlab.cc>:

????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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From doka at funlab.cc  Tue Oct 19 12:12:26 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:12:26 +0300
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??????,

???? ?? ???????, ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? - "?????? 
??? ????????? ????????????????" :-)

On 19.10.2021 12:07, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ???????????? ??????????????? ? ????????? ?????????? ???????????????.
>
> ???? ?????????? ????? ? ??????: ??????? ?????????? ???????????????, 
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> ?? - ???????????? ???????????, ? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???????? 
> ?????. ?? ????? ???????????, ??? ?????????? - ????????? ???????? 
> ????????, ???????????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????????.
>
> ? ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ???????, ?????? ????? ?????? ???? 
> ??????????????:
> /???? ?? ?????? ???????????? ??????????, ??? ????? 80% ??????? ????? 
> SARS Covi-2 (?????????? Covid-19) ?? ???????? ??????, ? ??? 20% 
> ???????? ??????????????????./
>
> /??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? ???????? "????????? ???? "?":/
>
> /????????? ????????? ? ?????? ???????????,/
> /???????????? ?????? ????/
> /??????????? ?????????? ????? ? ????/
>
> /19 ?????? 2021, 12:00:11, ??? "Volodymyr Litovka" <doka at funlab.cc 
> <mailto:doka at funlab.cc>>: /
>
>     ????,
>     ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ??
>     (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ??
>     "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
>     ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ????
>     ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ?
>     ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ??
>     ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
>     On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>     ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
>>
>>     ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ???
>>     ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ??
>>     ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ???
>>     ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ????????
>>     ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ???????????
>>     ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
>>
>>     ??????
>>     On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>
>>     <mailto:doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>>>     ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????????
>>>     ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
>>>     ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ????????????
>>>     ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?????
>>>     ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ??????
>>>     ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
>>>     ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ????????
>>>     _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
>>>     --
>>>     Volodymyr Litovka
>>>        "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     uanog mailing list
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>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     uanog mailing list
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>>     https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
>
>     -- 
>     Volodymyr Litovka
>        "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     uanog mailing list
>     uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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>
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From abb at abbon.net  Wed Oct 20 16:09:08 2021
From: abb at abbon.net (Alexandr Baryshnyev)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:09:08 +0300
Subject: [uanog] =?utf-8?b?VVBTINC/0LXRgNC10LfQsNGA0Y/QttCw0LXRgiDQsNC6?=
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???? ??????.
????????, ??? ?? ? ????????? ? ?? ? ??????????.

? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????, ??? UPS ?????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???????? ?? ????? 13.7? . ???? ????? 
?????? - ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????????, ?? ???? ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? ? ????.
?????? ???????? - ?????? ??? ??????, ??? ??? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????-?? ?????????????

? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? 3??? UPS ? ??, ? ??????? ?? ?????? ???????, ???????? ?????? ?? 8 ??????? ?? 113.6?, ??? 
???? ?? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ?????? 14.2? ? ??? ????? ?????? ??????, ??? ?????????? 13.7?. ? ??????? 
???????? ??????????, ??? ??? ??????????? ? ???????????, ? ?? ??? ????????, ??? ??? ? ?????? ????. ? ???????, ?????????? 
UPS-?? ? ????????????? ???????, ????? ??????? ??????? ?? 10 ???, ??? ?? ??? ????????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ???.

??????, ???? ?? ????? ???????????? ????????, ??? ?????????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????? 13.5-13.7? , ?????? ??? ?????????? 
?? ????????, ????????? ?? ???-?? ???????????? ???? ???? ????????, ??? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????????? ?????? - 
14.6-14.8? . ??????? ????????, ??? ??????????? ????? - ??? ??? ? ??????????, ?????? ???????-??????? ? ??? ? UPS-?? 
?????????? ??? ??? ???????? ?????, ? ?????? ?? ???????.

??? ???????????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ? ??? ??? ???????? ? ??? ? ???? UPS-?? ? ????????

-- 
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    Alexandr B. Baryshnyev, e-mail: abb at abbon.net

From alex at euro.net.ua  Wed Oct 20 18:45:16 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:45:16 +0300
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?????? !

??, ??? ??? ???????????? ???????, ??? ?? ???????.
? ??? ??? ????? ????:  http://adopt-zu.soroka.org.ua/istoriya.html

??? ????????? ???? ???????, ????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?? 1.5 ????...

??????????  ?????  ????????  ??????????  ?  ????  ????? ??? - ??? ????
???????? ??? ?????????? ??????????? "? ???????? ??????" 13.5-13.7?
????? ????????????? ??? ??????

Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 4:09:08 PM, Alexandr Baryshnyev abb at abbon.net you wrote:
AB> ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????????, ??? UPS ?????? ??????? ??????????
AB> ?? ?????????? ???????? ?? ????? 13.7? . ???? ????? ?????? - ??????
AB> ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????????, ?? ???? ????? ??????, ??
AB> ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? ? ????.
AB> ?????? ???????? - ?????? ??? ??????, ??? ??? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????-?? ?????????????

AB> ? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? 3??? UPS ? ??, ? ??????? ??
AB> ?????? ???????, ???????? ?????? ?? 8 ??????? ?? 113.6?, ??? ????
AB> ?? ???? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ?????? 14.2? ? ??? ?????
AB> ?????? ??????, ??? ?????????? 13.7?. ? ??????? ????????
AB> ??????????, ??? ??? ??????????? ? ???????????, ? ?? ??? ????????,
AB> ??? ??? ? ?????? ????. ? ???????, ?????????? UPS-?? ?
AB> ????????????? ???????, ????? ??????? ??????? ?? 10 ???, ??? ?? ???
AB> ????????, ? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ???.

AB> ??????, ???? ?? ????? ???????????? ????????, ??? ??????????
AB> ??????? ? ???????? ?????? 13.5-13.7? , ?????? ??? ?????????? ??
AB> ????????, ????????? ?? ???-?? ???????????? ???? ???? ????????, ???
AB> ?????????? ??????? ? ??????????? ?????? - 14.6-14.8? . ???????
AB> ????????, ??? ??????????? ????? - ??? ??? ? ??????????, ??????
AB> ???????-??????? ? ??? ? UPS-?? ?????????? ??? ??? ???????? ?????, ? ?????? ?? ???????.

AB> ??? ???????????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ? ??? ???
AB> ???????? ? ??? ? ???? UPS-?? ? ????????



-- 
Best regards,
Alexander V Soroka       http://www.svr.ua/
AS106-RIPE
mailto:alex at euro.net.ua


From maksym at tulyuk.com  Wed Oct 20 22:03:41 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 21:03:41 +0200
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??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????

??????
On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
> ????
>
> > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
>
> ?? ??????.
> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
> ?????? ???????????.
> ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
> ????????? ????? ???????.
>
> > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
> ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
> ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
> ?????????.
> <????>
> ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
> </????>
>
> mbr,
> --
> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Wed Oct 20 22:04:47 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 21:04:47 +0200
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? ?????? ?? ?? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ???????

??????
On 18 Oct 2021, 21:29 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> 18 ?????? 2021, 21:59:39, ??? "Igor Grabin" <violent at death.kiev.ua>:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
> > ????
> >
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> > ?? ??????.
> > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> > ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
> > ?????? ???????????.
>
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On 18 Oct 2021, 21:49 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
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> ??? ??????? ? ???????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????. ?? ????????? ??? ??????? ??, ??? ????? ??????? ?????. ? ?? ????????? ? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? - ? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ????????? ????????. ? ????? "???????? ???????????" ?? ????????????? ? ??????? ???????????????? - ????. ?? ?? ????? ? ???: ??????????? ????????? ?????? ??-?????? ??????????? ?? ???????? - ? ?????? ?????? ????? ???????????.
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>
> 18 ?????? 2021, 22:26:42, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ??????,
> >
> > ?? ????????? ????????????? ?????? ? ??????? ??? ???????????? ??????
> >
> > ?????? 2020: ????? ?????? ??????? ??? 60 ????????? ? ???????????? ????? - ???????? ???? ?? ???????? ????????????? ??????????????? ???, ? ??????????????? ?????? ???????, ??? ????? ???????? ?????? ? ???????????? ??????. ?? ???????, ??? ????????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ??????? ???????????
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> > On 17 Oct 2021, 19:04 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > ????? - ??? ?? ?????????? ????????.
> > >
> > > ??????? ? ?????? ???? ? ???????? - ??? ?????? ??????? "????????????? ? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ????????????? ????? ?? ????????".
> > >
> > > 17 ?????? 2021, 18:27:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ????? ?????? ??? ? ???????:
> > > > CNN, September 29, 2021: China has built a 5,000-room quarantine center for overseas arrivals
> > > > https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/29/china/guangzhou-covid-quarantine-center-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
> > > >
> > > > "Travelers will be transferred on buses directly from the airport, and confined to their rooms for at least two weeks. Each room is fitted with a video chat camera and an artificial intelligence-powered thermometer, with three meals a day delivered by robots -- all designed to minimize direct contact with staff members"
> > > > ??????On 16 Oct 2021, 19:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > > ??????,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 16 ?????? 2021, 19:37:31, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??? ???? ??.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?? ???????? vaccination rate ? UAE ??? Portugal ? ? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ? ????? ??????? ??????????? "?????????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? ??? "?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???????
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

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??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> ????,
> ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
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> On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
> >
> > ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> >
> > ??????
> > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > >
> > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
> > > ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> > > ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> > > --
> > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > _______________________________________________
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??, 20 ????. 2021 ? 22:35 Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> ????:

> ??????,
>
> ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ?
> ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
>
> ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???
> ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ?????
> ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ???  ????? ?????
> ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???,
> ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not
> wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
>
> ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ?
> ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating
> vaccination
>
> ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ????
> ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines.
> Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an
> "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
>
> ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
>
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them
> injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against
> vaccines
>
> ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ?
> opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
>
> ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing
> anti-vaxxers"
> She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research
> scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
>
> Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread
> dangerous misinformation.
>
> He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the
> pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a
> coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
>
>
> ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ??
> ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????,
> ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ???????????
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>
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> ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ?????
> ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
>
> ??????
> On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>
> ????,
>
> ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ?
> ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ?
> ?????? ?????.
>
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> ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ??
> ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ????
> ???????????.
> On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>
> ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
>
> ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ???
> ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????,
> ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ?
> ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????????????
> ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????
> ?????? ?????? ??????????
>
> ??????
> On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>
> <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>
>
> On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>
> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????????
>
> ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
>
> ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ???
> ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???
> ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
>
> ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ???
> ?????_ ? ?????????.
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??????,

?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".

?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?

??? ???? ???????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????????????? ???? ??? ???????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ????????.


20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/

???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?

??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????

??????
On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????. ????

? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ????????? 
?? ??????.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
?????? ???????????.
?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
????????? ????? ???????.

?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ????????? ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
?????????.
<????>
??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
</????>

mbr,
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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:10:52 +0300
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????,

? ????? ??????? ????? ?????, ??????? ??? ????????? ? ?????? ? ??????? ???? ? ???? ???????????. ????? ?????? ??? ????? ? ???? ???? ????? 15.

??????????, ?????? ???????? ?????-?? ?????, ????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????????, ? ?? "?????? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ??? ???". ????????-????? ??????????.

20 ?????? 2021, 22:05:08, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


? ?????? ?? ?? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ???????

??????
On 18 Oct 2021, 21:29 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

18 ?????? 2021, 21:59:39, ??? "Igor Grabin" <violent at death.kiev.ua>:

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
????

> ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
?? ??????.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
?????? ???????????. 
??????????????? ?????????? % ????????????????? ? ??????? ? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????:
??????? (61.9%) - 7.
?????????? (66,5%), ??????? (67,2) - 3.
??????? - 49 (14,7%)
????????? (67,2), ?????? - 4
UK (66,7%) - 12
??????? - 123. (29.3%)
?????? - 1. ??????????. 67.4%
????? (58,8%) ? ????? - 78 ? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? 1 ???.
????? (56,3%) ? 4.

???? ??? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?????????? ? ???????? ? ???.

Out of more than 51,000 Covid deaths in England between January and July 2021, only 256 occurred after two doses.

? ??????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????, ??????? ? ???? ????? ????????, ??? ????????????.


?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
????????? ????? ???????.

> ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
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????????, ??? ???? ???????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???

20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.

??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:19:13 +0300
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??????,

(?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)

????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??

? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.

? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.

????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.

20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.

??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 21 09:21:35 2021
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> On 20 Oct 2021, at 22:03, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> 
> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> 
> ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> 
> ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????

?????? ? ????? ?????? ???? ????????

> 
> ??????
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Thu Oct 21 09:49:56 2021
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??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?? ????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ??? ?:
?You are dealing with a very vulnerable group of people, often with a weaker immune system. Occasionally it can and will go wrong. We have also seen this in the past with flu vaccines: even though almost everyone is vaccinated, people still die from it.?

Yet the home suffered an infection of 55 of its 119 residents. Most suffered relatively mild symptoms ? although symptoms among elderly and infirm people can quickly change from mild to something much worse.

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https://tradingeconomics.com/china/coronavirus-vaccination-rate

New COVID-19 vaccine doses administered daily in China 2021
Oct 18, 2021
On October 10, 2021, China had administered approximately 1.55 million doses of coronavirus COVID-19 vaccine, making the total number of vaccine doses applied across the country to be about 2.23 billions. Globally, about 19.23 million shots of COVID-19 vaccine were given each day. <- ?? ?????????? 2021


21 ?????? 2021, 09:21:48, ??? "Taras Heichenko" <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>:

> On 20 Oct 2021, at 22:03, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> 
> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> 
> ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> 
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From obezpalko at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 10:42:43 2021
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:04 PM Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:

> ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ???????
> ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?.
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> ?You are dealing with a very vulnerable group of people, often with a
> weaker immune system. Occasionally it can and will go wrong. We have also
> seen this in the past with flu vaccines: even though almost everyone is
> vaccinated, people still die from it.?




>
>
> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
>
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From obezpalko at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 11:06:13 2021
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From doka at funlab.cc  Thu Oct 21 11:28:24 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
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??????,

On 21.10.2021 11:06, Oleksandr Bezpalko wrote:

> ?, ? ?????, ?????????? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????????? ???? - ??? 
> ???? ??????? ???????? ? ??????.

??? ???????????? ???? - ??? ???? ???. ? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??? ???? 
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-- 
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From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
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> On 21 Oct 2021, at 09:49, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> 
> ?????,
> 
> ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?? ????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ??? ?:
> ?You are dealing with a very vulnerable group of people, often with a weaker immune system. Occasionally it can and will go wrong. We have also seen this in the past with flu vaccines: even though almost everyone is vaccinated, people still die from it.?
> 
> Yet the home suffered an infection of 55 of its 119 residents. Most suffered relatively mild symptoms ? although symptoms among elderly and infirm people can quickly change from mild to something much worse. 

?? ?????, ????? ? ??? ???????????? ??????????, ?? ? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ??????? ??????: ????? ????????? ?????? ????
??????? ??????????? ????????????? ????? ?????. ?? ??? ??????, ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ???????????, ???????? ?? ??????????. ???
?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????

> 
> ?? ????? ???? ? ??????? ???????, ?? ???????? ??? ?????????? ?? ????, ??? ???????????????, ????? ???????? ???? ??????, ?? ->
> 
> ?????, ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ??????, ???????????? ?????????: ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ????????? ????????????? 77% ????????? (154 ???? ?? 100 ???????):
> https://tradingeconomics.com/china/coronavirus-vaccination-rate
> 
> New COVID-19 vaccine doses administered daily in China 2021
> Oct 18, 2021
> On October 10, 2021, China had administered approximately 1.55 million doses of coronavirus COVID-19 vaccine, making the total number of vaccine doses applied across the country to be about 2.23 billions. Globally, about 19.23 million shots of COVID-19 vaccine were given each day. <- ?? ?????????? 2021

????? ????? ???????? ??????. ? ?? ????, ????? ?? ???? ???-?? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????. ???????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????????
????????, ? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????.

> 
> 
> 
> 21 ?????? 2021, 09:21:48, ??? "Taras Heichenko" <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>:
> 
> > On 20 Oct 2021, at 22:03, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com
> > wrote:
> > 
> > ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> > 
> > 
> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> 
> > 
> > ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> > 
> > ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
> 
> ?????? ? ????? ?????? ???? ????????
> 

--
Taras Heichenko
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From alex at euro.net.ua  Thu Oct 21 12:31:08 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:31:08 +0300
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?????? !

????????, ?? ????? ?
?????? ?? ???????...

?? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???????? ???? ????????? ?? ?
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???????? ? ?????,  ? ?? ???? ???????? - ???? ?? ??????".
?  ???? 100500 ?????? ??? ????????, "?????????? ????????? ??????????",
??  ????, ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ? ??????? ????, ????? ???????
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????????????,  ?????????  ?  ?.?.,  ??????  ????????  ???????:
????? ? ??????? ????????.

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?  ????  ?  ???? ?????! ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????????, ????? ???
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?? ????? ???? ?

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? ???????.
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???????! ???????? - ???????, ? ??? "?????? ?? ???????".
???????????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???????? ? ?????? ????.

? ??? ??????.


Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 10:03:41 PM, Maksym Tulyuk maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote:
MT> ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ????????
MT> ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ?
MT> ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ??????
MT> ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
MT> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
MT> ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ?
MT> ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?

MT> ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????

MT> ??????
MT> On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>> > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
>> ????
>>
>> > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
>>
>> ?? ??????.
>> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
>> ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
>> ?????? ???????????.
>> ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
>> ????????? ????? ???????.
>>
>> > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
>> ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
>> ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
>> ?????????.
>> <????>
>> ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
>> </????>
>>
>> mbr,
>> --
>> Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin


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From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Thu Oct 21 15:55:00 2021
From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
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> On 21 Oct 2021, at 11:28, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> wrote:
> 
> ??????,
> 
> On 21.10.2021 11:06, Oleksandr Bezpalko wrote:
> 
>> ?, ? ?????, ?????????? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????????? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ? ??????.
> ??? ???????????? ???? - ??? ???? ???. ? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ??????. ???, ??? ?? ????? - ??? ????????? ??????????? ????????.

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???? ???????, ??? ? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ???, ??? "? ???? ?????".

> 
> 
> -- 
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>   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> 
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Thu Oct 21 22:06:05 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:06:05 +0200
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?????,

?????? ???? ? ?????????: ????????????? ??????? ???? ? ???????? ?????????, ??? ??????? ????????? ? 48,67% ? ?????????? ? 23,64% ??? ?????? ?????????? - ??? ???????????? ? ???? ???????? ????????

???????? ?? ????? ?.?. 4 ?????? ??????: (?????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/covid-19.html )
Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%

? - ?????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? -?Vaccination coverage 87%

???? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ????????

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 11:21 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 21 Oct 2021, at 09:49, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?????,
> >
> > ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?? ????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ??? ?:
> > ?You are dealing with a very vulnerable group of people, often with a weaker immune system. Occasionally it can and will go wrong. We have also seen this in the past with flu vaccines: even though almost everyone is vaccinated, people still die from it.?
> >
> > Yet the home suffered an infection of 55 of its 119 residents. Most suffered relatively mild symptoms ? although symptoms among elderly and infirm people can quickly change from mild to something much worse.
>
> ?? ?????, ????? ? ??? ???????????? ??????????, ?? ? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ??????? ??????: ????? ????????? ?????? ????
> ??????? ??????????? ????????????? ????? ?????. ?? ??? ??????, ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ???????????, ???????? ?? ??????????. ???
> ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????
>
> >
> > ?? ????? ???? ? ??????? ???????, ?? ???????? ??? ?????????? ?? ????, ??? ???????????????, ????? ???????? ???? ??????, ?? ->
> >
> > ?????, ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ??????, ???????????? ?????????: ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ????????? ????????????? 77% ????????? (154 ???? ?? 100 ???????):
> > https://tradingeconomics.com/china/coronavirus-vaccination-rate
> >
> > New COVID-19 vaccine doses administered daily in China 2021
> > Oct 18, 2021
> > On October 10, 2021, China had administered approximately 1.55 million doses of coronavirus COVID-19 vaccine, making the total number of vaccine doses applied across the country to be about 2.23 billions. Globally, about 19.23 million shots of COVID-19 vaccine were given each day. <- ?? ?????????? 2021
>
> ????? ????? ???????? ??????. ? ?? ????, ????? ?? ???? ???-?? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????. ???????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????????
> ????????, ? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > 21 ?????? 2021, 09:21:48, ??? "Taras Heichenko" <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>:
> >
> > > On 20 Oct 2021, at 22:03, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> > >
> > >
> > https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> >
> > >
> > > ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> > >
> > > ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
> >
> > ?????? ? ????? ?????? ???? ????????
> >
>
> --
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> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
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From maksym at tulyuk.com  Thu Oct 21 22:06:18 2021
From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:06:18 +0200
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??????,

? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.

??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
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- ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)

? ??? ??? ??????

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
>
> ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
>
> ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
>
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> ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
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> 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ??????,
> >
> > ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
> >
> > ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
> >
> > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
> >
> > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> >
> > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
> >
> > ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
> >
> > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
> >
> > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
> >
> > He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
> >
> >
> > ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
> >
> > ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
> >
> > ??????
> > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > ????,
> > > ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
> > > ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
> > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
> > > >
> > > > ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> > > >
> > > > ??????
> > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
> > > > > ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> > > > > ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > uanog mailing list
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> > > >
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> > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
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> > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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? ?????? ???? ?????: ?????? ??? ????https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?? ???? ?????? ??? ??????????" ?????? ??????: ?????????? 87%, ??????? 80%, ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?????? 70%.

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On 21 Oct 2021, 08:10 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
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>
> 20 ?????? 2021, 22:05:08, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ? ?????? ?? ?? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ???????
> >
> > ??????
> > On 18 Oct 2021, 21:29 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > 18 ?????? 2021, 21:59:39, ??? "Igor Grabin" <violent at death.kiev.ua>:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
> > > > ????
> > > >
> > > > > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
> > > > ?? ??????.
> > > > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> > > > ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
> > > > ?????? ???????????.
> > >
> > > ??????????????? ?????????? % ????????????????? ? ??????? ? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????:
> > > ??????? (61.9%) - 7.
> > > ?????????? (66,5%), ??????? (67,2) - 3.
> > > ??????? - 49 (14,7%)
> > > ????????? (67,2), ?????? - 4
> > > UK (66,7%) - 12
> > > ??????? - 123. (29.3%)
> > > ?????? - 1. ??????????. 67.4%
> > > ????? (58,8%) ? ????? - 78 ? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? 1 ???.
> > > ????? (56,3%) ? 4.
> > >
> > > ???? ??? ?????????, ??????? ????? ?????????? ? ???????? ? ???.
> > >
> > > Out of more than 51,000 Covid deaths in England between January and July 2021, only 256 occurred after two doses.
> > >
> > > ? ??????? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????, ??????? ? ???? ????? ????????, ??? ????????????.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
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> > > > > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
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> > > > ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
> > > > ?????????.
> > > > <????>
> > > > ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
> > > > </????>
> > >
> > > ?????? ? :)
> > _______________________________________________
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From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:08:14 +0200
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??? ???: ???????? ? ??????? 4 ?????? ??????

Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
Vaccination coverage 87%

?????? ??????? ??????????????? ? :)

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:09 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".
>
> ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?
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>
>
> 20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> >
> > https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> >
> > ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> >
> > ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
> >
> > ??????
> > On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
> > > ????
> > >
> > > > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
> > >
> > > ?? ??????.
> > > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> > > ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
> > > ?????? ???????????.
> > > ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
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> > > > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
> > > ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
> > > ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
> > > ?????????.
> > > <????>
> > > ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
> > > </????>
> > >
> > > mbr,
> > > --
> > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 22:29:29 +0300
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??????,

?????? ??? ??????, ????? ????? ???? ??????? ? ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????? ???????? - ??? ??? ? ???? ???????.

The Delta variant causes more infections and spreads faster than early forms of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19

The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants. Some data suggest the Delta variant might cause more severe illness than previous variants in unvaccinated people. In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus that causes COVID-19. Even so, the vast majority of hospitalization and death caused by COVID-19 are in unvaccinated people. Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people get COVID-19 (known as breakthrough infections) less often than unvaccinated people. People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time: For prior variants, lower amounts of viral genetic material were found in samples taken from fully vaccinated people who had breakthrough infections than from unvaccinated people with COVID-19. For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

21 ?????? 2021, 22:08:59, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??? ???: ???????? ? ??????? 4 ?????? ??????

Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
Vaccination coverage 87%

?????? ??????? ??????????????? ? :)

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:09 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".

?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?

??? ???? ???????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????????????? ???? ??? ???????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ????????.


20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/

???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?

??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????

??????
On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????. ????

? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ????????? 
?? ??????.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
?????? ???????????.
?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
????????? ????? ???????.

?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ????????? ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
?????????.
<????>
??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 22:40:16 +0300
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??????,

????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ?

? ??????? ???? ???? ? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? "? ?????????", ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? 60+ ? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?

? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? - ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????.

21 ?????? 2021, 22:06:41, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.

??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
- ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
- ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)

? ??? ??? ??????

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:


??????,

(?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)

????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??

? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.

? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.

????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.

20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.

??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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? ??? ?????????, ???? ?????, ????????, ???????? ? ????????? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ???? ??????
? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ??????
- ??????, ????????, ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ?? - ?? ??????? ??????????
- ??????? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????????, ??
?????????? ??????? ???? - ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? 0 ??????? ?
??? ??? ??????? ????????, ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????????? ??????????????, ???
????? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????????

??, 21 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:07, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>:

> ??????,
>
> ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ????
> ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
>
> ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
> - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ???????????????
> ?? ???? ?????
> - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ??????????
> ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ???????????????????
> ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? -
> ????
> - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ?
> ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)
>
> ? ??? ??? ??????
>
> ??????
> On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>,
> wrote:
>
> ??????,
>
> (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
>
> ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ????
> ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
>
> ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
>
> ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????.
> ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ??????????
> ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ?????
> ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ??
> ????????? ? ?????????.
>
> ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ???
> ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
>
> *20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com
> <maksym at tulyuk.com>>:*
>
> ??????,
>
> ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ?
> ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
>
> ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???
> ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ?????
> ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ???  ????? ?????
> ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???,
> ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not
> wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
>
> ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ?
> ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating
> vaccination
>
> ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ????
> ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines.
> Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an
> "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
>
> ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
>
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them
> injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against
> vaccines
>
> ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ?
> opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
>
> ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing
> anti-vaxxers"
> She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research
> scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
>
> Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread
> dangerous misinformation.
>
> He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the
> pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a
> coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
>
>
> ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ??
> ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????,
> ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ???????????
> ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ??
> ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ???????
> ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
>
> ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ??????
> ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ?????
> ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
>
> ??????
> On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>
> ????,
> ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ?
> ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ?
> ?????? ?????.
> ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ????
> ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ??
> ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ????
> ???????????.
> On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>
> ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
>
> ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ???
> ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????,
> ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ?
> ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????????????
> ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????
> ?????? ?????? ??????????
>
> ??????
> On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>
> <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>
>
> On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>
> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????????
>
> ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ???
> ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ???
> ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ???
> ?????_ ? ?????????.
>
> --
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>
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>
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> On 21 Oct 2021, at 22:06, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ?????,
> 
> ?????? ???? ? ?????????: ????????????? ??????? ???? ? ???????? ?????????, ??? ??????? ????????? ? 48,67% ? ?????????? ? 23,64% ??? ?????? ?????????? - ??? ???????????? ? ???? ???????? ????????

?? ??? ? ?? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????????????. ?.?. ??? ??? ??????? ? ? ?????. ? ????? ????? ??????, ??? ???
?????? ???? ???????

> 
> ???????? ?? ????? ?.?. 4 ?????? ??????: (?????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/covid-19.html )
> Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
> Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
> Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
> 
> ? - ?????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? - Vaccination coverage 87%
> 
> ???? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ????????
> 
> ??????
> On 21 Oct 2021, 11:21 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2021, at 09:49, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?????,
>>> 
>>> ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?? ????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ??? ?:
>>> ?You are dealing with a very vulnerable group of people, often with a weaker immune system. Occasionally it can and will go wrong. We have also seen this in the past with flu vaccines: even though almost everyone is vaccinated, people still die from it.?
>>> 
>>> Yet the home suffered an infection of 55 of its 119 residents. Most suffered relatively mild symptoms ? although symptoms among elderly and infirm people can quickly change from mild to something much worse.
>> 
>> ?? ?????, ????? ? ??? ???????????? ??????????, ?? ? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ??????? ??????: ????? ????????? ?????? ????
>> ??????? ??????????? ????????????? ????? ?????. ?? ??? ??????, ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ???????????, ???????? ?? ??????????. ???
>> ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????
>> 
>>> 
>>> ?? ????? ???? ? ??????? ???????, ?? ???????? ??? ?????????? ?? ????, ??? ???????????????, ????? ???????? ???? ??????, ?? ->
>>> 
>>> ?????, ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ??????, ???????????? ?????????: ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ????????? ????????????? 77% ????????? (154 ???? ?? 100 ???????):
>>> https://tradingeconomics.com/china/coronavirus-vaccination-rate
>>> 
>>> New COVID-19 vaccine doses administered daily in China 2021
>>> Oct 18, 2021
>>> On October 10, 2021, China had administered approximately 1.55 million doses of coronavirus COVID-19 vaccine, making the total number of vaccine doses applied across the country to be about 2.23 billions. Globally, about 19.23 million shots of COVID-19 vaccine were given each day. <- ?? ?????????? 2021
>> 
>> ????? ????? ???????? ??????. ? ?? ????, ????? ?? ???? ???-?? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????. ???????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????????
>> ????????, ? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 21 ?????? 2021, 09:21:48, ??? "Taras Heichenko" <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>:
>>> 
>>>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 22:03, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
>>>> 
>>>> ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
>>> 
>>> ?????? ? ????? ?????? ???? ????????
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Taras Heichenko
>> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Fri Oct 22 12:57:46 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:57:46 +0300
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On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 11:29:44AM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ?????? "??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????????" ?? ????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ??????????? - ??? ??????, ? ?? ???????? ? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ? ??? ???????????. ??????, ????????????????? ????????, ?????? ???? ????????? ? ???????????????.

?????? ??????????. ???? ??? ??????, ?? ????? ?????? - ?????? ????
??????. ???? ?????? ? ??????? - ?????????????, ??? 95% ???????????
??????? ????????, ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????.
https://www.facebook.com/sydorenko.myhail

===
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??, ?? ????, ???????. ????????? ????? ??????? ? ???????? ????????
?????????? ????. ?? ?? ???????? ????????? ?? ????? ????????????? ?
???'???, ?? ?????????? ???????? ????. ? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?????, ?? ???
??????, ?? ?????? ?? ??????????, ? ?? ????? ???????? ???? ?????. 
?????????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???????, ????? ?? ??????? ??
??????????? ????'????. ?? ???????? ???? ??????????, ?? ???????
????????? ?? ???? ????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ??????, ???
?????? ??????? ???? ???????, ?? ??? ??? ??? ????????
===

mbr,
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Fri Oct 22 18:42:22 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:42:22 +0300
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??????,

???? ?? ??????, ? ????? :)

??? ??????? ?? 11 ????? ??????? ?????????? ??? (??? ????????? ?? -).

? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???????? ? ????? ??-?? ???????? ?? ??? ? ???????.


22 ?????? 2021, 12:57:47, ??? "Igor Grabin" <violent at death.kiev.ua>:

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 11:29:44AM +0300, Vladimir Sharun wrote:
> ?????? "??????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????????" ?? ????? ??????????? ???????????? ??? ??????????? - ??? ??????, ? ?? ???????? ? ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ? ??? ???????????. ??????, ????????????????? ????????, ?????? ???? ????????? ? ???????????????.

?????? ??????????. ???? ??? ??????, ?? ????? ?????? - ?????? ????
??????. ???? ?????? ? ??????? - ?????????????, ??? 95% ???????????
??????? ????????, ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????.
https://www.facebook.com/sydorenko.myhail

===
???? ????? ? ??????????? ?????????? ????? ????? ????????? 50/50, ????
?????????? ????? ????? ????????? ? ??? ????? ????????. ?? ?? ????????
??????????, ?? ??? ???????? ?????????? ???????? ?? ??????. ? ??????,
?? ? ??? ?????, ?? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????? ??? ?
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===

mbr,
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From maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 23 21:38:48 2021
From: maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua (Max Tulyev)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 21:38:48 +0300
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?? ????? ????? ??-??????? ??????????.

???????: 24721 ??????????, 640 ???????, ????????? 2,5%.
???????: 932 ??????????, 3 ???????, ????????? 0,3%.

??? ?????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ?????????????? ?????? ? ???????? 
????? ??????? ? 10 ???.

?????.

???????? - ??? ? ?????? ?????.

21.10.21 22:08, Maksym Tulyuk ????:
> ??? ???: ???????? ? ??????? 4 ?????? ??????
> 
> Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
> Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
> Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
> Vaccination coverage 87%
> 
> ?????? ??????? ??????????????? ? :)
> 
> ??????
> On 21 Oct 2021, 08:09 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, 
> wrote:
>> ??????,
>>
>> ?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? 
>> ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 
>> ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? 
>> ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? 
>> ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".
>>
>> ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? 
>> ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? 
>> ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?
>>
>> ??? ???? ???????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????????????? ???? 
>> ??? ???????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ????????.
>>
>>
>> /20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com 
>> <mailto:maksym at tulyuk.com>>:/
>>
>>     ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ?
>>     ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ???????
>>     55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?.
>>     23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
>>
>>     https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
>>     <https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/>
>>
>>     ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ????????????
>>     ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????,
>>     ????????: ??? ??? ?
>>
>>     ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ???????????
>>     ??????????????
>>
>>     ??????
>>     On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua
>>     <mailto:violent at death.kiev.ua>>, wrote:
>>>     On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>>>     ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ???
>>>>     ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (??
>>>>     ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ?
>>>>     ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
>>>     ????
>>>
>>>>     ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ???
>>>>     ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ???
>>>>     ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
>>>
>>>     ?? ??????.
>>>     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
>>>     <https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/>
>>>     ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
>>>     ?????? ???????????.
>>>     ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
>>>     ????????? ????? ???????.
>>>
>>>>     ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ?
>>>>     ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ???????
>>>>     ?????????
>>>     ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
>>>     ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
>>>     ?????????.
>>>     <????>
>>>     ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
>>>     </????>
>>>
>>>     mbr,
>>>     --
>>>     Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sat Oct 23 22:40:57 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:40:57 +0300
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? 200. ?? ?????????? ??????, ?? UK. ?? 51? ??????? ??? - ??? 2021 260 ???? ????.

23 ?????? 2021, 21:38:59, ??? "Max Tulyev" < maxtul at netassist.kiev.ua >:

?? ????? ????? ??-??????? ??????????.

???????: 24721 ??????????, 640 ???????, ????????? 2,5%.
???????: 932 ??????????, 3 ???????, ????????? 0,3%.

??? ?????? ??????????? ? ?????????? ?????????????? ?????? ? ???????? 
????? ??????? ? 10 ???.

?????.

???????? - ??? ? ?????? ?????.

21.10.21 22:08, Maksym Tulyuk ????:
> ??? ???: ???????? ? ??????? 4 ?????? ??????
> 
> Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
> Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
> Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
> Vaccination coverage 87%
> 
> ?????? ??????? ??????????????? ? :)
> 
> ??????
> On 21 Oct 2021, 08:09 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, 
> wrote:
>> ??????,
>>
>> ?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? 
>> ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 
>> ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? 
>> ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? 
>> ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".
>>
>> ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? 
>> ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? 
>> ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?
>>
>> ??? ???? ???????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????????????? ???? 
>> ??? ???????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ????????.
>>
>>
>> /20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com 
>> <mailto:maksym at tulyuk.com>>:/
>>
>>     ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ?
>>     ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ???????
>>     55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?.
>>     23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
>>
>>     https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
>>     <https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/>
>>
>>     ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ????????????
>>     ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????,
>>     ????????: ??? ??? ?
>>
>>     ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ???????????
>>     ??????????????
>>
>>     ??????
>>     On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua
>>     <mailto:violent at death.kiev.ua>>, wrote:
>>>     On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>>>     ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ???
>>>>     ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (??
>>>>     ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ?
>>>>     ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
>>>     ????
>>>
>>>>     ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ???
>>>>     ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ???
>>>>     ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
>>>
>>>     ?? ??????.
>>>     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
>>>     <https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/>
>>>     ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
>>>     ?????? ???????????.
>>>     ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
>>>     ????????? ????? ???????.
>>>
>>>>     ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ?
>>>>     ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ???????
>>>>     ?????????
>>>     ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
>>>     ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
>>>     ?????????.
>>>     <????>
>>>     ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
>>>     </????>
>>>
>>>     mbr,
>>>     --
>>>     Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
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????? "???????? ? ??????????? ??? ??????? ???????????? ???????? ?? ????? ????????? ? ??????????? ????????????? ????? ? ??????????????? ?????, ??????? ??????? ?? ??????????)? - ??? ????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????, ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????.

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>
>
> > On 21 Oct 2021, at 11:28, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc> wrote:
> >
> > ??????,
> >
> > On 21.10.2021 11:06, Oleksandr Bezpalko wrote:
> >
> > > ?, ? ?????, ?????????? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????????? ???? - ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ? ??????.
> > ??? ???????????? ???? - ??? ???? ???. ? ??????? ??????? ??????, ??? ???? ? ??????? ?????? ??????. ???, ??? ?? ????? - ??? ????????? ??????????? ????????.
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??? ???????: ??????? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ???????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ????????? ??????.

??? ????? ?????: ?????? ???????? ??????? ????? ?? FFP2; ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ??? ????, ??? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ??? ? ??????/??? ? ??? ???

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 21:29 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ?????? ??? ??????, ????? ????? ???? ??????? ? ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????? ???????? - ??? ??? ? ???? ???????.
>
> The Delta variant causes more infections and spreads faster than early forms of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19
>
>
> ? The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants.
> ? Some data suggest the Delta variant might cause more severe illness than previous variants in unvaccinated people. In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus that causes COVID-19. Even so, the vast majority of hospitalization and death caused by COVID-19 are in unvaccinated people.
> ? Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people get COVID-19 (known as breakthrough infections) less often than unvaccinated people. People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus.
> ? Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time: For prior variants, lower amounts of viral genetic material were found in samples taken from fully vaccinated people who had breakthrough infections than from unvaccinated people with COVID-19. For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.
>
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html
>
> 21 ?????? 2021, 22:08:59, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ??? ???: ???????? ? ??????? 4 ?????? ??????
> >
> > Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
> > Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
> > Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
> > Vaccination coverage 87%
> >
> > ?????? ??????? ??????????????? ? :)
> >
> > ??????
> > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:09 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > ?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".
> > >
> > > ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?
> > >
> > > ??? ???? ???????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????????????? ???? ??? ???????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ????????.
> > >
> > >
> > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > > ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> > > >
> > > > ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> > > >
> > > > ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
> > > >
> > > > ??????
> > > > On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
> > > > > ????
> > > > >
> > > > > > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ??????.
> > > > > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> > > > > ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
> > > > > ?????? ???????????.
> > > > > ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
> > > > > ????????? ????? ???????.
> > > > >
> > > > > > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
> > > > > ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
> > > > > ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
> > > > > ?????????.
> > > > > <????>
> > > > > ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
> > > > > </????>
> > > > >
> > > > > mbr,
> > > > > --
> > > > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
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???????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ????????? ?????? ?????? 95% ?????????? 51,33% ? ????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ???

? ?????, ??? ???? ?? 1) ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? IT solution, 2) ?? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ????? ??????? ????????? ???? ?? 3) ?????????????????? 51% ????????????? ?????? 95% - ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????.

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On 22 Oct 2021, 07:46 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 21 Oct 2021, at 22:06, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?????,
> >
> > ?????? ???? ? ?????????: ????????????? ??????? ???? ? ???????? ?????????, ??? ??????? ????????? ? 48,67% ? ?????????? ? 23,64% ??? ?????? ?????????? - ??? ???????????? ? ???? ???????? ????????
>
> ?? ??? ? ?? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????????????. ?.?. ??? ??? ??????? ? ? ?????. ? ????? ????? ??????, ??? ???
> ?????? ???? ???????
>
> >
> > ???????? ?? ????? ?.?. 4 ?????? ??????: (?????? ?? ??????????? ?????????? https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/covid-19.html )
> > Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
> > Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
> > Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
> >
> > ? - ?????????? ??? ???????? ? ???????? ?????? ??? ???? - Vaccination coverage 87%
> >
> > ???? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ????????
> >
> > ??????
> > On 21 Oct 2021, 11:21 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 21 Oct 2021, at 09:49, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?????,
> > > >
> > > > ??? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?? ????????????, ?? ????? ?????? ??? ?:
> > > > ?You are dealing with a very vulnerable group of people, often with a weaker immune system. Occasionally it can and will go wrong. We have also seen this in the past with flu vaccines: even though almost everyone is vaccinated, people still die from it.?
> > > >
> > > > Yet the home suffered an infection of 55 of its 119 residents. Most suffered relatively mild symptoms ? although symptoms among elderly and infirm people can quickly change from mild to something much worse.
> > >
> > > ?? ?????, ????? ? ??? ???????????? ??????????, ?? ? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ??????? ??????: ????? ????????? ?????? ????
> > > ??????? ??????????? ????????????? ????? ?????. ?? ??? ??????, ??????? ?????????? ? ???? ???????????, ???????? ?? ??????????. ???
> > > ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ?? ????? ???? ? ??????? ???????, ?? ???????? ??? ?????????? ?? ????, ??? ???????????????, ????? ???????? ???? ??????, ?? ->
> > > >
> > > > ?????, ?? ???? ???????? ????????? ??????, ???????????? ?????????: ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ???????? ????????? ????????????? 77% ????????? (154 ???? ?? 100 ???????):
> > > > https://tradingeconomics.com/china/coronavirus-vaccination-rate
> > > >
> > > > New COVID-19 vaccine doses administered daily in China 2021
> > > > Oct 18, 2021
> > > > On October 10, 2021, China had administered approximately 1.55 million doses of coronavirus COVID-19 vaccine, making the total number of vaccine doses applied across the country to be about 2.23 billions. Globally, about 19.23 million shots of COVID-19 vaccine were given each day. <- ?? ?????????? 2021
> > >
> > > ????? ????? ???????? ??????. ? ?? ????, ????? ?? ???? ???-?? ???????? ?????? ?? ?????. ???????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????????
> > > ????????, ? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ? ???????????? ???????? ? ?????.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 21 ?????? 2021, 09:21:48, ??? "Taras Heichenko" <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>:
> > > >
> > > > > On 20 Oct 2021, at 22:03, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
> > > >
> > > > ?????? ? ????? ?????? ???? ????????
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Taras Heichenko
> > > tasic at academ.kiev.ua
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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On 21 Oct 2021, 21:40 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ?
>
> ? ??????? ???? ???? ? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? "? ?????????", ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? 60+ ? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?
>
> ? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? - ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????.
>
> 21 ?????? 2021, 22:06:41, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ??????,
> >
> > ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
> >
> > ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
> > - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
> > - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
> > - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)
> >
> > ? ??? ??? ??????
> >
> > ??????
> > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
> > >
> > > ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
> > >
> > > ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
> > >
> > > ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.
> > >
> > > ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
> > >
> > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > > ??????,
> > > >
> > > > ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
> > > >
> > > > ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> > > > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > > > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
> > > >
> > > > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > > > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
> > > >
> > > > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > > > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > > > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> > > >
> > > > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > > > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
> > > >
> > > > ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
> > > >
> > > > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > > > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
> > > >
> > > > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
> > > >
> > > > He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
> > > >
> > > > ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
> > > >
> > > > ??????
> > > > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > ????,
> > > > > ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
> > > > > ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
> > > > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
> > > > > > > ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> > > > > > > ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> > > > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > --
> > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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? ?? ???? ????????, ??
1) ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ? ?????? ????
2) ?? ?????? ???????????
3) ???? ???????????, ??????? ??? ????????????
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? ????? ???? ?? ??, ????? ?????????? ?????????????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????, ?? - 22 ?????? ?????? - ????? ??? ?? ??????.

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On 22 Oct 2021, 00:58 +0200, Volodymyr Garnyk <vgarnick at gmail.com>, wrote:
> ? ??? ?????????, ???? ?????, ????????, ???????? ? ????????? ?????????:
> - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ???? ??????
> - ??????, ????????, ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ?? - ?? ??????? ??????????
> - ??????? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????????, ?? ?????????? ???????????? - ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? 0 ??????? ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????, ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????????? ??????????????, ??? ????? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????????
>
> > ??, 21 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:07, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
> > >
> > > ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
> > > - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
> > > - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
> > > - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)
> > >
> > > ? ??? ??? ??????
> > >
> > > ??????
> > > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > ??????,
> > > >
> > > > (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
> > > >
> > > > ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
> > > >
> > > > ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
> > > >
> > > > ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.
> > > >
> > > > ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
> > > >
> > > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > ??????,
> > > > >
> > > > > ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
> > > > >
> > > > > ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> > > > > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > > > > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > > > > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > > > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > > > > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > > > > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
> > > > >
> > > > > He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ??????
> > > > > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > ????,
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> > > > > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> > > > > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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> > > > > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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???? ?? ?????????? ??????? ? ????, ?? ????? ?????????? ??????? ????????????? ???????, ? ?? ???????? ?????. ? ??? ????????????? ????????? ? ????? ????????? ??????????? 26 ?????? 1986 ????: ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ? ?????????????? ??????? 1 ??? 1986? ? ??? ?? ????????? ????? ? ???????? ????? ? ???????? ??? ???????? ??????? ????????? ? ??? ????????? ?????????-??????? ????? ??????????? ? ??? ??, ??? ?????? ????????? ???????

? ??? ???????? - ??, ??? ?????? ? ???? ???????? ? ????????.

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On 21 Oct 2021, 10:06 +0200, Oleksandr Bezpalko <obezpalko at gmail.com>, wrote:
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From netch at netch.kiev.ua  Sun Oct 24 23:41:39 2021
From: netch at netch.kiev.ua (Valentin Nechayev)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 23:41:39 +0300
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hi,

 Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 22:40:57, vladimir.sharun wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 

> ? 200. ?? ?????????? ??????, ?? UK. ?? 51? ??????? ??? - ??? 2021 260 ???? ????.

260 ?? 51000 ??? ????? 0.5%. ?? 2.5% ??? ~1/5.
??? ? ?? ?????, ??? ?? ????? 200.

? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????. ????? ? ??? ????? ?????
???? "? ????????? 94-95% ???????????????", ?? ?????????? ~5% ???????
??????? ???????????????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????

>> ?? ????? ????? ??-??????? ??????????.
>> 
>> ???????: 24721 ??????????, 640 ???????, ????????? 2,5%.
>> ???????: 932 ??????????, 3 ???????, ????????? 0,3%.


-netch-

From dk at farm.org  Mon Oct 25 00:41:54 2021
From: dk at farm.org (dk at farm.org)
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On 24 Oct 2021, at 23:41, Valentin Nechayev <netch at netch.kiev.ua> wrote:
> 
> Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 22:40:57, vladimir.sharun wrote about "Re: [uanog] ?????, ?? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????????...": 
> 
>> ? 200. ?? ?????????? ??????, ?? UK. ?? 51? ??????? ??? - ??? 2021 260 ???? ????.
> 
> 260 ?? 51000 ??? ????? 0.5%. ?? 2.5% ??? ~1/5.
> ??? ? ?? ?????, ??? ?? ????? 200.
> 
> ? ???? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????. ????? ? ??? ????? ?????
> ???? "? ????????? 94-95% ???????????????", ?? ?????????? ~5% ???????
> ??????? ???????????????, ? ??????? ??????? ???????
> 

??????, ? ????????? ? ????????? ???????? ??? ?????????? ??? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? 

>>> ?? ????? ????? ??-??????? ??????????.
>>> 
>>> ???????: 24721 ??????????, 640 ???????, ????????? 2,5%.
>>> ???????: 932 ??????????, 3 ???????, ????????? 0,3%.


1/8?  ?? ? ???? ??????? ? ??????? (???????? ?? ?????????, 1/4 ?????? ???????).



From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Mon Oct 25 10:46:34 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:46:34 +0300
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??????,

???????? ????? ? ??????? ?? ?????????. ???????????? ????????, ??? ? ??????????? ???????????, ??? ????? ? ??? ???????? ?? ????????. ???? ???????? (!).

??????? ????? ? FFP2 ? :) ?? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ?

???????????? ???????????? ??? ????? ?????????? ?

????, ??????????? ?? ??????? "???? ? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ???? ????????!".

24 ?????? 2021, 21:27:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??? ???????: ??????? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ???????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ????????? ??????.

??? ????? ?????: ?????? ???????? ??????? ????? ?? FFP2; ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ??? ????, ??? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ??? ? ??????/??? ? ??? ???

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On 21 Oct 2021, 21:29 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

?????? ??? ??????, ????? ????? ???? ??????? ? ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????? ???????? - ??? ??? ? ???? ???????.

The Delta variant causes more infections and spreads faster than early forms of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19

The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants. Some data suggest the Delta variant might cause more severe illness than previous variants in unvaccinated people. In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus that causes COVID-19. Even so, the vast majority of hospitalization and death caused by COVID-19 are in unvaccinated people. Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people get COVID-19 (known as breakthrough infections) less often than unvaccinated people. People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time: For prior variants, lower amounts of viral genetic material were found in samples taken from fully vaccinated people who had breakthrough infections than from unvaccinated people with COVID-19. For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

21 ?????? 2021, 22:08:59, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??? ???: ???????? ? ??????? 4 ?????? ??????

Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
Vaccination coverage 87%

?????? ??????? ??????????????? ? :)

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:09 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".

?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?

??? ???? ???????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????????????? ???? ??? ???????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ????????.


20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/

???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?

??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????

??????
On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????. ????

? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ????????? 
?? ??????.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
?????? ???????????.
?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
????????? ????? ???????.

?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ????????? ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
?????????.
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??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
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??????,

??? ?? ????????????????? ??, ??? ?????????? "?????????", ???, ? ???????? - "??????????".

??????????????? - ??? ????? ???? ???????? ? ???-?? ??????????, ??????? ?????????. ?.?. ??????????? ???????????????. ????????????? ????????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????????.

?? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ?

24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:25, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??? ???????? ??????????? ??????: ?????????? ???????? ?? ????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? ?????? ??, ??? ?????, ?? ??????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????.

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 21:40 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ?

? ??????? ???? ???? ? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? "? ?????????", ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? 60+ ? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?

? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? - ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????.

21 ?????? 2021, 22:06:41, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.

??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
- ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
- ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)

? ??? ??? ??????

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:


??????,

(?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)

????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??

? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.

? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.

????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.

20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.

??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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??????,

?????? ???? ??????? ? ???????? ??????? ????, ??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????? ????? ?????????.

??????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????? ????????????. ???? ??????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????.

24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:33, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


????????,

? ?? ???? ????????, ??
1) ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ? ?????? ????
2) ?? ?????? ???????????
3) ???? ???????????, ??????? ??? ????????????
4) ?? ????????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????????
5) ? ?????? ??????, ????? ????? ? ???

? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????????.

? ????? ???? ?? ??, ????? ?????????? ?????????????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????, ?? - 22 ?????? ?????? - ????? ??? ?? ??????.?

??????
On 22 Oct 2021, 00:58 +0200, Volodymyr Garnyk <vgarnick at gmail.com>, wrote:
? ??? ?????????, ???? ?????, ????????, ???????? ? ????????? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ???? ??????
- ??????, ????????, ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ?? - ?? ??????? ??????????
- ??????? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????????, ?? ?????????? ???????????? - ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? 0 ??????? ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????, ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????????? ??????????????, ??? ????? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????????

??, 21 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:07, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
??????,

? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.

??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
- ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
- ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)

? ??? ??? ??????

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:


??????,

(?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)

????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??

? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.

? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.

????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.

20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.

??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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> > On 21 Oct 2021, 10:06 +0200, Oleksandr Bezpalko <obezpalko at gmail.com>, wrote:
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>
> MT> ??????
> MT> On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
> > > ????
> > >
> > > > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
> > >
> > > ?? ??????.
> > > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> > > ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
> > > ?????? ???????????.
> > > ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
> > > ????????? ????? ???????.
> > >
> > > > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
> > > ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
> > > ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
> > > ?????????.
> > > <????>
> > > ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
> > > </????>
> > >
> > > mbr,
> > > --
> > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>
>
> --
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?? ??? ????????????, ?? ??? ? ?? ???????: ?? ?????? ?????? ? ? ?? ???? ???????. ??? ????????? - ???? ?????????????.

???? ?? ?????? ????????? ????????????? ???????? ??? - ? ????, ?? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ? ??????? ??????????? ????????, ?? ??????? ??????????? ?????????.

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On 25 Oct 2021, 09:46 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ???????? ????? ? ??????? ?? ?????????. ???????????? ????????, ??? ? ??????????? ???????????, ??? ????? ? ??? ???????? ?? ????????. ???? ???????? (!).
>
> ??????? ????? ? FFP2 ? :) ?? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ? ??? ????????? ?
>
> ???????????? ???????????? ??? ????? ?????????? ?
>
> ????, ??????????? ?? ??????? "???? ? ??? ?????????? ? ????? ???? ????????!".
>
> 24 ?????? 2021, 21:27:56, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ??? ???????: ??????? ???????????? ??????? ????? ? ???????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ????????? ??????.
> >
> > ??? ????? ?????: ?????? ???????? ??????? ????? ?? FFP2; ?????? ???????????? ???????????? ??? ????, ??? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ??? ? ??????/??? ? ??? ???
> >
> > ??????
> > On 21 Oct 2021, 21:29 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > ?????? ??? ??????, ????? ????? ???? ??????? ? ??? ???????? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????? ???????? - ??? ??? ? ???? ???????.
> > >
> > > The Delta variant causes more infections and spreads faster than early forms of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19
> > >
> > >
> > > ? The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants.
> > > ? Some data suggest the Delta variant might cause more severe illness than previous variants in unvaccinated people. In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus that causes COVID-19. Even so, the vast majority of hospitalization and death caused by COVID-19 are in unvaccinated people.
> > > ? Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people get COVID-19 (known as breakthrough infections) less often than unvaccinated people. People infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit the virus to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus.
> > > ? Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time: For prior variants, lower amounts of viral genetic material were found in samples taken from fully vaccinated people who had breakthrough infections than from unvaccinated people with COVID-19. For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html
> > >
> > > 21 ?????? 2021, 22:08:59, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > > ??? ???: ???????? ? ??????? 4 ?????? ??????
> > > >
> > > > Cases (Daily Average): 3.249 +53%
> > > > Death (Daily Average): 12,3 +32%
> > > > Hospital Admission (Daily Average): 87,7 +53%
> > > > Vaccination coverage 87%
> > > >
> > > > ?????? ??????? ??????????????? ? :)
> > > >
> > > > ??????
> > > > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:09 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > > ??????,
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ??????? ?????????????????? ???????. ???????? ???????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ? ??, ? ? ?????? ???? ?????? 18-90 ????????, ??? ????? ??? ??????????. ??? ????????, ??? ? ??????? ???????? 18-25 ?????????? ???? ??????, ? ???????? ??? ??????, ??? ? ?????? 75-90. ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? "?? ????".
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ????????? ??????, ? ???? ??? ??? ????????????? ???????????. ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? ???????????????? ?? ????????? ?
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? ???? ???????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????????????? ???? ??? ???????? ????, ?? ???? ?? ???-?? ????? ?? ???????? ? ??? ????????.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:04:04, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ???????? ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ? ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ?????? ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
> > > > > > > ????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?? ??????.
> > > > > > > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> > > > > > > ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
> > > > > > > ?????? ???????????.
> > > > > > > ?? ???? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????? - ? ???, ??? ??????? ????????
> > > > > > > ????????? ????? ???????.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
> > > > > > > ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
> > > > > > > ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
> > > > > > > ?????????.
> > > > > > > <????>
> > > > > > > ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
> > > > > > > </????>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mbr,
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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?????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ???????????? ?????????? ??????, ? ???? ? ?????? ???? - ??? ?????.

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On 25 Oct 2021, 09:52 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ?????? ???? ??????? ? ???????? ??????? ????, ??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????? ????? ?????????.
>
> ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????? ????????????. ???? ??????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????.
>
> 24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:33, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ????????,
> >
> > ? ?? ???? ????????, ??
> > 1) ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ? ?????? ????
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> >
> > ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????????.
> >
> > ? ????? ???? ?? ??, ????? ?????????? ?????????????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????, ?? - 22 ?????? ?????? - ????? ??? ?? ??????.
> >
> > ??????
> > On 22 Oct 2021, 00:58 +0200, Volodymyr Garnyk <vgarnick at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > ? ??? ?????????, ???? ?????, ????????, ???????? ? ????????? ?????????:
> > > - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ?????????????????? ???? ??????
> > > - ??????, ????????, ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ?? - ?? ??????? ??????????
> > > - ??????? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????????, ?? ?????????? ???????????? - ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? 0 ??????? ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????, ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????????? ??????????????, ??? ????? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????????
> > >
> > > ??, 21 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:07, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > ??????,
> > > >
> > > > ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
> > > >
> > > > ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
> > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
> > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
> > > > - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)
> > > >
> > > > ? ??? ??? ??????
> > > >
> > > > ??????
> > > > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > > ??????,
> > > > >
> > > > > (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
> > > > >
> > > > > ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
> > > > >
> > > > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ??????,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> > > > > > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > > > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > > > > > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > > > > > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > > > > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > > > > > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > > ????,
> > > > > > > ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
> > > > > > > ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
> > > > > > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
> > > > > > > > > ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
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> > > > > > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
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On 25 Oct 2021, 09:48 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> ??????,
>
> ??? ?? ????????????????? ??, ??? ?????????? "?????????", ???, ? ???????? - "??????????".
>
> ??????????????? - ??? ????? ???? ???????? ? ???-?? ??????????, ??????? ?????????. ?.?. ??????????? ???????????????. ????????????? ????????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????????.
>
> ?? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ?
>
> 24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:25, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ??? ???????? ??????????? ??????: ?????????? ???????? ?? ????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? ?????? ??, ??? ?????, ?? ??????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????.
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> > ??????
> > On 21 Oct 2021, 21:40 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
> > >
> > > ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ?
> > >
> > > ? ??????? ???? ???? ? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? "? ?????????", ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? 60+ ? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?
> > >
> > > ? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? - ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????.
> > >
> > > 21 ?????? 2021, 22:06:41, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > > ??????,
> > > >
> > > > ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
> > > >
> > > > ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
> > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
> > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
> > > > - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)
> > > >
> > > > ? ??? ??? ??????
> > > >
> > > > ??????
> > > > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > > ??????,
> > > > >
> > > > > (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
> > > > >
> > > > > ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
> > > > >
> > > > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ??????,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> > > > > > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > > > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > > > > > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > > > > > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > > > > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > > > > > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > > ????,
> > > > > > > ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
> > > > > > > ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
> > > > > > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
> > > > > > > > > ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> > > > > > > > > ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> > > > > > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
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> > > > uanog mailing list
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From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko)
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> On 25 Oct 2021, at 23:05, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> 
> ? ?????? ??????, ????? ???????? ??????? ????? ????????? "?????????? ?????" ? ??????" - ??????? ? ???, ??? ? ??? ????? ? ???????????? _?????_???????_ ? ???????????? ??????? ? ??? ? ???????????? ?????????? ????.
> 
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> .
> 
> ??????
> On 25 Oct 2021, 09:52 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
>> ??????,
>> 
>> ?????? ???? ??????? ? ???????? ??????? ????, ??? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????????? ????? ?????????.
>> 
>> ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????? ????????????. ???? ??????????? ? ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ????????? ???????, ?? ???????? ? ???????????? ????? ?????????????? ??????? ????????? ??????????.
>> 
>> 24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:33, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>> 
>> ????????,
>> 
>> ? ?? ???? ????????, ??
>> 1) ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ? ?????? ????
>> 2) ?? ?????? ???????????
>> 3) ???? ???????????, ??????? ??? ????????????
>> 4) ?? ????????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????????
>> 5) ? ?????? ??????, ????? ????? ? ???
>> 
>> ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????????.
>> 
>> ? ????? ???? ?? ??, ????? ?????????? ?????????????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????, ?? - 22 ?????? ?????? - ????? ??? ?? ??????. 
>> 
>> ??????
>> On 22 Oct 2021, 00:58 +0200, Volodymyr Garnyk <vgarnick at gmail.com>, wrote:
>>> ? ??? ?????????, ???? ?????, ????????, ???????? ? ????????? ?????????:
>>> - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ??????
>>> - ??????, ????????, ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ?? - ?? ??????? ??????????
>>> - ??????? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????????, ?? ?????????? ??????? ???? - ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? 0 ??????? ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????, ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????????? ??????????????, ??? ????? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????????
>>> 
>>> ??, 21 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:07, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>>> ??????,
>>> 
>>> ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
>>> 
>>> ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
>>> - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
>>> - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
>>> - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)
>>> 
>>> ? ??? ??? ??????
>>> 
>>> ??????
>>> On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
>>>> ??????,
>>>> 
>>>> (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
>>>> 
>>>> ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
>>>> 
>>>> ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
>>>> 
>>>> ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.
>>>> 
>>>> ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
>>>> 
>>>> 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> ??????,
>>>> 
>>>> ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
>>>> 
>>>> ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ???  ????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
>>>> https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
>>>> : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
>>>> 
>>>> ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
>>>> : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
>>>> 
>>>> ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
>>>> 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
>>>> 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
>>>> 
>>>> ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
>>>> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
>>>> : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
>>>> 
>>>> ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
>>>> 
>>>> ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
>>>> She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
>>>> 
>>>> Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
>>>> 
>>>> He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
>>>> 
>>>> ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
>>>> 
>>>> ??????
>>>> On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>>>>> ????,
>>>>> ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
>>>>> ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
>>>>> On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>>>>> ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ??????
>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>>>>>>>> ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????????
>>>>>>> ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
>>>>>>> ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
>>>>>>> ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
>>>>>>> --      
>>>>>>> Volodymyr Litovka
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From alex at euro.net.ua  Tue Oct 26 09:22:41 2021
From: alex at euro.net.ua (Alexander V Soroka)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:22:41 +0300
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>> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
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>> > > </????>
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>> > > --
>> > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>>
>>
>> --
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From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Tue Oct 26 09:43:19 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:43:19 +0300
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???????? ??????? ?????????. ? ??? ?? ?? ???, ? ?????????, ?????????? ??????.

?????? ??????????????? - ??? ?????????. ?? ????????? ??? ????? ?????, ?.?. ????? ?????. ? ???????? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????? ? ????? ?????? ?? 90 ????????, ????????????? ? ???????. ?????? ??????????????? - ??? ?????????, ????????????? ? ??????????????. ?.?. ? ???????????? ???????????????. ????????? ?????? ??????????????? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ????. ?????? ??????????????? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????

??????????????? - ??? ??? ???????? ????? ?? ??????, ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????? ?????-?? ??????.

??????????????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ???????????, ??? bestrafe mich.

????? ??????? ????????????? ????????? - ??? ????? ?????????, ??????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????????? ???????????????.

? ?????-?? ???? ?? ??????-?????????????? ????????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? ???????? ?????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ? ??????? ? ???? ???????????, ??, ??? ? IT ?????????? best practices:
??????????
???????? ????? ??????? ???? ? ????????

??????????? ??????????????? ?? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ?????????? ?????? (????? ???).


25 ?????? 2021, 23:11:07, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

?? ??????? ??? ??????? ???????????????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???, ??? ? ??????? ???? ??????. ?? ????? ???? ???????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???????. ????? ?? ??????? ? ????????????

??????
On 25 Oct 2021, 09:48 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

??? ?? ????????????????? ??, ??? ?????????? "?????????", ???, ? ???????? - "??????????".

??????????????? - ??? ????? ???? ???????? ? ???-?? ??????????, ??????? ?????????. ?.?. ??????????? ???????????????. ????????????? ????????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????????.

?? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ?

24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:25, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??? ???????? ??????????? ??????: ?????????? ???????? ?? ????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? ?????? ??, ??? ?????, ?? ??????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????.

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 21:40 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ?

? ??????? ???? ???? ? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? "? ?????????", ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? 60+ ? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?

? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? - ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????.

21 ?????? 2021, 22:06:41, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.

??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
- ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
- ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)

? ??? ??? ??????

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:


??????,

(?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)

????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??

? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.

? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.

????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.

20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.

??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
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????????? ???????,

In fact, mandatory childhood immunizations have been a feature of American society since the 19th century.

??????? - ??? ?? ?????, ?? ?????.

https://be.brussels/living-in-brussels/health-and-safety/vaccination

Some vaccines are compulsory, others simply recommended. In Belgium, only polio vaccination is compulsory by law.

??????????: While participation is not compulsory, over 95% of parents consent to having their children vaccinated. ? ? ?????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ?????? ?? ??? ???????, ??? ? ??? ??????? ?????????? ????? (??????????? ???????????).

26 ?????? 2021, 09:22:53, ??? "Alexander V Soroka" <alex at euro.net.ua>:

???? ?? ??????.


Monday, October 25, 2021, 10:34:49 PM, Maksym Tulyuk maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote:
MT> ?????????,
MT> ?? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ???????? ????? ? ??????? ??? ????? ????????
MT> ??????, ?? ? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????, ??? ????? ????
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MT> ?? ????????? ???????, ??? ??????? ?????? ? ???????.

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?????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ??????? "????? ? ????" ?
??  ??????,  ???-??  ????? ???????? ????, ? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????????? ?
??? ????????? ???? ?????????????? ?????????? :)
??? ??? ???????? - ?? ?? ?????????.

MT> ???? ????? "?? ???? ??????? ? ?? ???? ????????? ?? ????? ? ?? ???? 100%
MT> ??????????? ????? ???????????

?? ??????? ?
? ???? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ? ???? ? ? ???? ???? ????????
????  ????? ?????????????? ? ????? ?????? ? ???????????? - ???????? ??
???? ????????! ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? 100% ??????????.
????? ????? ???????????? ??? ???? ???? ??????.
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?????? ?? ???????? ? ???????? ????? ?????? ???!
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???? ??? ?? ? ???? ? ???? ????????????.
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MT> , ?? ???? ? ?????? ?????? "Vaccine
MT> preventable disease? ?.?. ???????, ??????? "Vaccine preventable?.

?? ??, ??? ??? ???????? ?????, ??? ??????? ???? ?? ???????? ?? ????.
? ??? ? ???? ?
???????? ??????? ?? ?????? 100% ???????????. ?????.
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???? ??? - "??? ?? ?! ???? ?????????, ? ??? ?? ?????".

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"?????? ?? ??????? ???????????". ??? ???????? ?

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????????  ????  ????  ???????  ?? ???????????!

??  ????  ??  ????????  ???  ????????????  ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??????,
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MT> ??????
MT> On 21 Oct 2021, 11:31 +0200, Alexander V Soroka <alex at euro.net.ua>, wrote:
>> ?????? !
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>>
>> Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 10:03:41 PM, Maksym Tulyuk maksym at tulyuk.com you wrote:
>> MT> ? ????????? ???????? ???? ??? ???????????, ??? ???? 119 ????????
>> MT> ? ??????? ?????? ?????????? 95% ??? 113 ???. ?????? ????? ?
>> MT> ??????? 55 ???????? ?.?. 48,67% ?? ???????? ?? ??????? 12 ??????
>> MT> ?.?. 23,64% ?? ????????????. ??? ????????? ? ????.
>> MT> https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/175055/delta-variant-ravages-care-home-55-infected-12-dead/
>> MT> ???????, ??????? ????????? ??????? ???????, ??????? ?
>> MT> ???????????? ????????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ? ??? ?? ???????, ????????: ??? ??? ?
>>
>> MT> ??? ???????, ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????????? ??????????????
>>
>> MT> ??????
>> MT> On 18 Oct 2021, 20:59 +0200, Igor Grabin <violent at death.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 08:46:14PM +0200, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
>> > > > ???? ??????????? ???????????, ? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?????, ????? ?????? ???????????????, ??????? ???????????? (?? ???????????) ? ?????????? - ??? ?????? ???? ?????????? ?????, ? ?? ?????????????? ??????????.
>> > > ????
>> > >
>> > > > ? ????? "???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? pfizer'? ?? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ?? ???????? ?? ????, ??? ????????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ? ???? ?????????
>> > >
>> > > ?? ??????.
>> > > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
>> > > ? ???????????? 10 ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ???????
>> > > ?????? ???????????.
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>> > >
>> > > > ?????????, ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????, ??????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ?????????????? ??????? ???????, ????????, ??????? ?????????
>> > > ??? ???. ???? ?????? ?????? - ???? ??????????.
>> > > ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ??????????? ? ??????, ????????, ?????? ?
>> > > ?????????.
>> > > <????>
>> > > ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????. ?????????? ?? ?? ???????.
>> > > </????>
>> > >
>> > > mbr,
>> > > --
>> > > Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Alexander V Soroka http://www.svr.ua/
>> AS106-RIPE
>> mailto:alex at euro.net.ua
>>
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From sia at uanog.sink.nest.org  Wed Oct 27 05:09:13 2021
From: sia at uanog.sink.nest.org (Igor Sviridov)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:09:13 -0700
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hi,

??????? ?????? ? ???? ????????.

https://www.deadlawyers.org/obovyazkova-vakczinacziya-i-evropeyskyi-sud/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-most-anti-vaxxer-country-in-the-world-2019-06-19

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA112-11.html
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA100/RRA112-11/RAND_RRA112-11.pdf

--igor

From tasic at academ.kiev.ua  Wed Oct 27 13:22:24 2021
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> On 27 Oct 2021, at 05:09, Igor Sviridov <sia at uanog.sink.nest.org> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> ??????? ?????? ? ???? ????????.
> 
> https://www.deadlawyers.org/obovyazkova-vakczinacziya-i-evropeyskyi-sud/
> 
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-most-anti-vaxxer-country-in-the-world-2019-06-19

???????, ???????, ???????? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ????????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????????????,
?????? ????????, ??? ???????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????????????? ? ????????? ??????? ? ???????????????
??????? ? ??????????, ??????? ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???????, ? ?????????? ????, ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???
?????, ? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????. ?? ??? ????? ???????????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????? ???????????,
????? ????????? ????? ????????? ??????????????? ???????.

> 
> https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA112-11.html
> https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA100/RRA112-11/RAND_RRA112-11.pdf
> 
> --igor

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1) ???????? ?????????? ????? ?? ??????? https://data.unicef.org/wp-content/uploads/country_profiles/Ukraine/Immunization-coverage-estimates-2020_ukr.pdf
2) ?????? ???????? ?? ????????? _??????_ 1000 ????????? ? ????? ????????: "The Wellcome Trust, a U.K research charity, surveyed more than 140,000 people (ages 15 and up) in more than 140 countries about their views of science and major health challenges"
3) ????? ??? ??????????? ? ??????? ???? - ???????? ???? ????? ??????????

??????
On 27 Oct 2021, 04:09 +0200, Igor Sviridov <sia at uanog.sink.nest.org>, wrote:
> hi,
>
> ??????? ?????? ? ???? ????????.
>
> https://www.deadlawyers.org/obovyazkova-vakczinacziya-i-evropeyskyi-sud/
>
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-most-anti-vaxxer-country-in-the-world-2019-06-19
>
> https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA112-11.html
> https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA100/RRA112-11/RAND_RRA112-11.pdf
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??????? ??????, ?? ????? ??????/??? ??????? ? ??????: ????????????? ? 2014-16 ????? ???? ???????, ?? ? 2017-2019 ???????? ?????????. ????? ????, ? 2020 ?????????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ??????:
https://data.unicef.org/wp-content/uploads/country_profiles/Ukraine/Immunization-coverage-estimates-2020_ukr.pdf

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On 27 Oct 2021, 12:22 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 27 Oct 2021, at 05:09, Igor Sviridov <sia at uanog.sink.nest.org> wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > ??????? ?????? ? ???? ????????.
> >
> > https://www.deadlawyers.org/obovyazkova-vakczinacziya-i-evropeyskyi-sud/
> >
> > https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-most-anti-vaxxer-country-in-the-world-2019-06-19
>
> ???????, ???????, ???????? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ????????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????????????????,
> ?????? ????????, ??? ???????? ??? ??????? ?? ????????????????? ? ????????? ??????? ? ???????????????
> ??????? ? ??????????, ??????? ? ???? ??????? ??????? ? ???????, ? ?????????? ????, ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???
> ?????, ? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????. ?? ??? ????? ???????????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????? ???????????,
> ????? ????????? ????? ????????? ??????????????? ???????.
>
> >
> > https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA112-11.html
> > https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA100/RRA112-11/RAND_RRA112-11.pdf
> >
> > --igor
>
> --
> Taras Heichenko
> tasic at academ.kiev.ua
>
>
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On 26 Oct 2021, 08:43 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
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> 25 ?????? 2021, 23:11:07, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
>
> > ??????,
> >
> > ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ???????????????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???, ??? ? ??????? ???? ??????. ?? ????? ???? ???????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???????. ????? ?? ??????? ? ????????????
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> > On 25 Oct 2021, 09:48 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
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> > > ??? ?? ????????????????? ??, ??? ?????????? "?????????", ???, ? ???????? - "??????????".
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> > >
> > > ?? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ?
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> > > 24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:25, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > > ??? ???????? ??????????? ??????: ?????????? ???????? ?? ????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? ?????? ??, ??? ?????, ?? ??????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????.
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> > > > ??????
> > > > On 21 Oct 2021, 21:40 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > > ??????,
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> > > > > ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ?
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> > > > > ? ??????? ???? ???? ? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? "? ?????????", ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? 60+ ? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?
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> > > > > ? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? - ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????.
> > > > >
> > > > > 21 ?????? 2021, 22:06:41, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ??????,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
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> > > > > > ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
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> > > > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
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> > > > > > ? ??? ??? ??????
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > > > > ??????,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
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> > > > > > > ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.
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> > > > > > > ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ??????,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> > > > > > > > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > > > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > > > > > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > > > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > > > > > > > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > > > > > > > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > > > > > > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > > > > > > > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > > > > > > > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > > > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > ????,
> > > > > > > > > ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
> > > > > > > > > ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
> > > > > > > > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > > > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
> > > > > > > > > > > ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> > > > > > > > > > > ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> > > > > > > > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > > > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > > uanog mailing list
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> > > > > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Volodymyr Litovka
> > > > > > > > >  "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
> > > > > > https://mailman.uanog.kiev.ua/mailman/listinfo/uanog
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > uanog mailing list
> > > > uanog at uanog.kiev.ua
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From: maksym at tulyuk.com (Maksym Tulyuk)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:48:52 +0200
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On 26 Oct 2021, 08:20 +0200, Taras Heichenko <tasic at academ.kiev.ua>, wrote:
>
>
> > On 25 Oct 2021, at 23:05, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com> wrote:
> >
> > ? ?????? ??????, ????? ???????? ??????? ????? ????????? "?????????? ?????" ? ??????" - ??????? ? ???, ??? ? ??? ????? ? ???????????? _?????_???????_ ? ???????????? ??????? ? ??? ? ???????????? ?????????? ????.
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> > On 25 Oct 2021, 09:52 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > ??????,
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> > >
> > > 24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:33, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > >
> > > ????????,
> > >
> > > ? ?? ???? ????????, ??
> > > 1) ???? ????? ??????????? ???? ? ?????? ????
> > > 2) ?? ?????? ???????????
> > > 3) ???? ???????????, ??????? ??? ????????????
> > > 4) ?? ????????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????????
> > > 5) ? ?????? ??????, ????? ????? ? ???
> > >
> > > ? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????????.
> > >
> > > ? ????? ???? ?? ??, ????? ?????????? ?????????????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????, ?? - 22 ?????? ?????? - ????? ??? ?? ??????.
> > >
> > > ??????
> > > On 22 Oct 2021, 00:58 +0200, Volodymyr Garnyk <vgarnick at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > > > ? ??? ?????????, ???? ?????, ????????, ???????? ? ????????? ?????????:
> > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ??????
> > > > - ??????, ????????, ???????? ?????, ???? ?? ?? - ?? ??????? ??????????
> > > > - ??????? ?? ???????? ????????, ??? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????????, ?? ?????????? ??????? ???? - ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? 0 ??????? ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????, ?.?. ????????? ?? ??????????? ??????????????, ??? ????? ????? ????????? ?????? ?????????
> > > >
> > > > ??, 21 ???. 2021 ?. ? 22:07, Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > ??????,
> > > >
> > > > ? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.
> > > >
> > > > ??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
> > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
> > > > - ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
> > > > - ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)
> > > >
> > > > ? ??? ??? ??????
> > > >
> > > > ??????
> > > > On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:
> > > > > ??????,
> > > > >
> > > > > (?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)
> > > > >
> > > > > ????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.
> > > > >
> > > > > 20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > ??????,
> > > > >
> > > > > ????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????
> > > > >
> > > > > ????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
> > > > > https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > : a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
> > > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
> > > > > : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
> > > > > 1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
> > > > > 2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
> > > > > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
> > > > > : someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
> > > > > She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
> > > > >
> > > > > He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?
> > > > >
> > > > > ? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.
> > > > >
> > > > > ??????
> > > > > On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > ????,
> > > > > > ? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
> > > > > > ? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
> > > > > > On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > ????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ??????
> > > > > > > On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > ??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??? ??? ???? ???????? ???????????
> > > > > > > > ??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
> > > > > > > > ? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
> > > > > > > > ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
> > > > > > > > --
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??????,

??, ???????, ??????????? ???????? ??? ????? ?? ???????????/?????????? ??????????? ?????????, ??? (??? ??????????) ? ???-?? ??????????? ? ???? ? ?????????? ? ?? ????? ?????????, ????? ?????? ????? ?? ??????????? ??????. ? ??? ?? ?????????, ????????, ??? ? ???? ???? ??????????????, ???? ?? ??????????? -.

?? ???????? ??? ?? ????????, ? ???? ??????????? ??????? ? ??????????? ????????? ?? ??????? ??????????? ???????????? ?

?? ????? ?????????? ?????!?


28 ?????? 2021, 18:49:26, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


?? ???????? ???????????: "?????? ??????????????? - ??? ?????????, ????????????? ? ??????????????. ?.?. ? ???????????? ????????????????. ????? ????????? ? "?????????????? ??????????, ????? ? "??????-?????????????? ?????????? ? ???????????? "??????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? ????????"

???????? "?????? ???????????????? ??? ???? "??????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? ????????"

? ??? ???? ??? ?? ??????? - ????????? ??????????? ?????????.

??????
On 26 Oct 2021, 08:43 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

???????? ??????? ?????????. ? ??? ?? ?? ???, ? ?????????, ?????????? ??????.

?????? ??????????????? - ??? ?????????. ?? ????????? ??? ????? ?????, ?.?. ????? ?????. ? ???????? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????? ? ????? ?????? ?? 90 ????????, ????????????? ? ???????. ?????? ??????????????? - ??? ?????????, ????????????? ? ??????????????. ?.?. ? ???????????? ???????????????. ????????? ?????? ??????????????? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ???????? ????. ?????? ??????????????? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????, ??? ??? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????

??????????????? - ??? ??? ???????? ????? ?? ??????, ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ? ?????? ?????-?? ??????.

??????????????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ???????????, ??? bestrafe mich.

????? ??????? ????????????? ????????? - ??? ????? ?????????, ??????? ?? ??????? ?? ??????, ?? ???????? ????????? ???????????????.

? ?????-?? ???? ?? ??????-?????????????? ????????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ??????????? ???????? ?????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ? ??????? ? ???? ???????????, ??, ??? ? IT ?????????? best practices:
?????????? ???????? ????? ??????? ???? ? ???????? 
??????????? ??????????????? ?? ???????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ?????????? ?????? (????? ???).


25 ?????? 2021, 23:11:07, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

?? ??????? ??? ??????? ???????????????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???, ??? ? ??????? ???? ??????. ?? ????? ???? ???????? ? ???????????? ????????? ???????. ????? ?? ??????? ? ????????????

??????
On 25 Oct 2021, 09:48 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

??? ?? ????????????????? ??, ??? ?????????? "?????????", ???, ? ???????? - "??????????".

??????????????? - ??? ????? ???? ???????? ? ???-?? ??????????, ??????? ?????????. ?.?. ??????????? ???????????????. ????????????? ????????? ????????????? ??????????? ???????????????.

?? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ????????? ???????? ?

24 ?????? 2021, 21:28:25, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??? ???????? ??????????? ??????: ?????????? ???????? ?? ????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? ?????? ??, ??? ?????, ?? ??????? ?????, ?? ???? ???? ? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ??????????.

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 21:40 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:

??????,

????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????????????? ? ? ??? ??? ?????????? ?

? ??????? ???? ???? ? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ? ??? "? ?????????", ??? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? 60+ ? ? ???? ?????? ????? ?

? ??????????? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????????? - ????????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????.

21 ?????? 2021, 22:06:41, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

? ?????? ?? ????? - ?? ???? ???????, ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ? ? ???? ??????? ???? ? ??????, ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????????????.

??? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ? ????, ??? ? ???? ? ??? ?????????:
- ? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ??????????????? ?? ???? ?????
- ? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? (??? ????????????) ???????? ? ?????????? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? - ??????? ??????? ?? ?? ??????????????????? ????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ? ??? ??????? - ? ?? ????????? ????, ? ?? - ????
- ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? (??????? ??? ?? ??????? ??????)

? ??? ??? ??????

??????
On 21 Oct 2021, 08:19 +0200, Vladimir Sharun <vladimir.sharun at ukr.net>, wrote:


??????,

(?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ctrl-enter ??????????)

????????, ??? ???? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????, ???? ?????? ?????????? - ?????, ??

? ?????? ??? ??????????, ? ?? ??????????.

? ????????? ??? ??? ? ????????, ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????, ?????? ????????. ? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????, ? ?? ????? ?? ???????, ???? ?????????? ??????, ? ?? "????? ???? ??????????????, ??????? ?????????? ????? ?????????". ?????? ???? ??? ? ?????. ? ??? ??? ??????? ????????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????.

????? ??? ??? ??? ????????, 40+ ? ?????, ??-????? ???????????? - ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????????, ?? ??????.

20 ?????? 2021, 22:35:00, ??? "Maksym Tulyuk" <maksym at tulyuk.com>:


??????,

????? ???????????: ?? ?? ???????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ???????????????? ? ????? ???????? ?????? ?? ????????????

????? ? ?????? ????????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???????: ? ?????? ? ??????, ??? ????????? - ??? ????, ??????? ?? ????? ????????????? ????? ?????, ?.?. "???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ???????/??????/??????????, ? ? ??? ???, ??? Oxford English ????? ????:
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/anti-vaxxer
: a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

?? ?????????, ??? ???????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????????? ?????????????, ? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ????:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

??? ??????, ????? ????????, ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ???? ????????. ? ???? ??????? ??? ?????????????:
1) Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines ?
2) He said, while he will not get the COVID-19 vaccine, he is not an "anti-vaxxer" against all vaccinations.

?? ?????? ???? ????? ????????:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antivaxxer?q=anti-vaxxer
: someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

??? ??????, ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?????????????? - ? ? ???, ??? ?spreads ? opinions? ????? 100% ???????????.

? ??????? ???? ? ??? ??????????? - ? ???? ???????????? ??? "criminalizing anti-vaxxers"
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist", but her field was studying fossils.

Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.

He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it?s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.


? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??, ??? ???? ?: ???? ????????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ? ??????????? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??, ?????????, ??? ? ??????????? ?????, ??????????? ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ? ?? ??????????, ????? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??????????, ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ??????????????? ?

? ??? ? ????, ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ??????????, ? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???; ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ????? ??????????, ????? ????????? ????-?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ? ??? ???? ????????.

??????
On 19 Oct 2021, 11:00 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:
????,
? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???????????? ???????????????, ? ?? (???????, ??? ? ??? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????? ?? "?????????????", "???????????" ? ?????? ?????.
? ?????? ????????: ? ?????? "? ??? ?????" (?????????? ??????? ???? ???????? ??????). ??, ????? ??????? ?????????????? ? ???????????????? ?? ??????????? ???????, ?? ??? ?????????, ? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ? ???? ???????????.
On 18.10.2021 19:37, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

????????, ????? ? ?????? ???????? ????????, ? ?? ? ?? ???????????.

? ???? ??? "?????????? ?????? ????? - ?????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????????? 22 ?????? ?? ?????? ????????, ? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????? ????????? ? ????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ? ??????????????? ??? ??????????, ??? ? ??????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????

??????
On 17 Oct 2021, 12:59 +0200, Volodymyr Litovka <doka at funlab.cc>, wrote:

On 16.10.2021 22:53, Maksym Tulyuk wrote:

??? ????? ???????? ? ??, ??????? ???? ???????? ???????????
??? ????? ????? ????? ???????????????.
? ?? ???? ????????????, ??? ??????????? ???-?? ??? ???????????? ??? ????????????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ??????? ??? ???-?? ?????? ???-?? ?????? ?????? ???-?? ?? ???. ??? ????? ?? ??????.
???? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ????, ??? ? ???????? DoS ???????? _? ??? ?????_ ? ?????????.
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From andrej at rep.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 30 12:39:34 2021
From: andrej at rep.kiev.ua (Andriy Grytsenko)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:39:34 +0300
Subject: [uanog]
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Message-ID: <20211030093934.GA22537@rep.kiev.ua>

    ??????!

????????, ?? ??????? ????? 5 ??????. ??????????? ????? ?????????? ??????
??????????? (????????????? ????????, ? ?? ?????? ???? ????? ? ?????? ???
?????????) - ??? ???, ???? ??????? ?????????, ? ? ???? ??????? ???????
???????, ?? ???? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????, ???? ?????? ?????????
? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????? (?????? ????? ???????? ????????????).
??????, ???? ? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????????, ? ?? ???? ????????? ?????
?????? ? ???? ???????????, ???? IgG 555 AU/ml.

    ???????? ???!

From vladimir.sharun at ukr.net  Sat Oct 30 16:08:57 2021
From: vladimir.sharun at ukr.net (Vladimir Sharun)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:08:57 +0300
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Message-ID: <1635598844.532158000.zvb7th5a@frv53.fwdcdn.com>

??????,

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/prepare-for-vaccination.html

???? state authority ??????? ?????, ??????? ????? ????? ????????????? ?? ? ???.

???? ???? ?????????? ????? ? ?????????? ?????????? ? ?????-?? ???????????????, ? ??? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ?????????.

??????? ????? "? ?????? ??????" ? "??????????????? ??????????? ?????? ???????" - ????????. ?????? - ?? ?? ??? ?? ????????, ?????? - ???????? ?? ?????????.

???? "?????? ???????? ???????" - ?????? ?? ??????, ??? ?????? ?? ? ???. ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ????, ?? ??????? ????? ?????, ????? ?? ??????? ????????, ?????? ????? ????????? ????????? ? ????????, ??? ??????????? ???????? ?????????? ??????? - ???????????? ?????? ???? ???????.

30 ?????? 2021, 12:39:44, ??? "Andriy Grytsenko" <andrej at rep.kiev.ua>:

   ??????!

????????, ?? ??????? ????? 5 ??????. ??????????? ????? ?????????? ??????
??????????? (????????????? ????????, ? ?? ?????? ???? ????? ? ?????? ???
?????????) - ??? ???, ???? ??????? ?????????, ? ? ???? ??????? ???????
???????, ?? ???? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????, ???? ?????? ?????????
? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????? (?????? ????? ???????? ????????????).
??????, ???? ? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????????, ? ?? ???? ????????? ?????
?????? ? ???? ???????????, ???? IgG 555 AU/ml.

    ???????? ???!

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From violent at death.kiev.ua  Sat Oct 30 16:36:18 2021
From: violent at death.kiev.ua (Igor Grabin)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:36:18 +0300
Subject: [uanog]
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Message-ID: <20211030133618.GC5646@death.kiev.ua>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:39:34PM +0300, Andriy Grytsenko wrote:
> ????????, ?? ??????? ????? 5 ??????. ??????????? ????? ?????????? ??????
> ??????????? (????????????? ????????, ? ?? ?????? ???? ????? ? ?????? ???
> ?????????) - ??? ???, ???? ??????? ?????????, ? ? ???? ??????? ???????
> ???????, ?? ???? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????, ???? ?????? ?????????
> ? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ?????? (?????? ????? ???????? ????????????).
> ??????, ???? ? ?? ???????? ? ?????????????????, ? ?? ???? ????????? ?????
> ?????? ? ???? ???????????, ???? IgG 555 AU/ml.
??????? ? ??????. ? ????? ???????, ??? ?????????.

? ??????, ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?? cytokine storm vaccine
reaction ????, ????? ???????...
https://www.omicsonline.org/peer-reviewed/cytokine-storm-response-to-covid19-vaccinations-114798.html
??????? ??????? ??? ???????????? ?? 200 ?????, 33 ?????????, ? ?
???????? ?????? ?? peer-reviewed article ???? ??? ???:
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/cytokine-storm-response-to-covid19-vaccinations.pdf
??? ???? ? header'? - ???????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????? ??
?????? ?? wiki ??? ?????? ?????????.
????? ??????? ??????????? ?????????? bullshit science, ???? ???
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01387-6
??????? ??? cytokine release ? ?????? ????-????? ? ????????.

"???? ???? ??????" ? ??????, ??? ????????? ?????, ?????????? ???????
??????????? - ????????, ?? ???.

mbr,
-- 
Igor "CacoDem0n" Grabin

From doka at funlab.cc  Sat Oct 30 22:13:01 2021
From: doka at funlab.cc (Volodymyr Litovka)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 22:13:01 +0300
Subject: [uanog] two defaults (ipv4 & ipv6) on MacOS
Message-ID: <e49e4eb0-8b72-6a01-44fc-e3b624005bee@funlab.cc>

??????,

? ??? ?????????? MacOS, ?????????? ????? ?????. ??? ??? 
????????????????? ????? ???????????? ? ? ?????? ???? IPv6 VPN (?? ??? 
??????? - ??????????, ???? ??? ???? ?????-?? ????????):

en0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
	inet6 fe80::1ca5:1930:866b:888c%en0 prefixlen 64 secured scopeid 0x6
	inet 192.0.2.8 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.0.2.255
	nd6 options=201<PERFORMNUD,DAD>
	status: active
[ ... ]
ipsec0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1280
	options=6463<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,TSO4,TSO6,CHANNEL_IO,PARTIAL_CSUM,ZEROINVERT_CSUM>
	inet6 fe80::8e85:90ff:fe5c:77eb%ipsec0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x10
	inet6 2a01:4f8:c010:xxxx:1:1:0:1 prefixlen 64
	nd6 options=201<PERFORMNUD,DAD>

$ netstat -rn |grep -i default
default    192.0.2.1               UGScIg            en0
default    2a01:4f8:c010:xxxx::    UGcg           ipsec0

?? ????, ????? ??????: ? ?????, ????? IPv4 ??????? ??? ??????, ? IPv6 
??? ???????? ????? ???????, ??? ??? ?????????? ??? ?????????? 
???????????? ?????? ;-)

???? -? IPv6 ????????, ? ??? IPv4 ?????????:

$ ping6 google.com
PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2a01:4f8:c010:xxxx:1:1:0:1 --> 2a00:1450:4001:80e::200e
16 bytes from 2a00:1450:4001:80e::200e, icmp_seq=0 hlim=115 time=36.116 ms
16 bytes from 2a00:1450:4001:80e::200e, icmp_seq=1 hlim=115 time=37.832 ms

$ ping google.com
PING google.com (142.250.185.78): 56 data bytes
ping: sendto: No route to host
ping: sendto: No route to host

?? ???? ??? ????????? default at ipv6 ?????? (Monterey) ????????? ????????, 
???? ?????? ????? ipv4 ??????. ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????????, ?.?. 
connected route ???????????. ?????? ??? ???? ?? ? ?????????????? - ??? ? 
?????? inet families ? /??? ????????/, ??? ??????? ???????????? ??????? 
? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??????? - ?? ???? ping6 ?????????? 
inet6, ? ping - inet ? ??? ?????? ????????. ?? ???.

??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???????????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????

P.S. ???? ?????? ???????? dual-stack ? ?????? ?????????? - ?? ??? ????????:

ipsec0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1280
options=6463<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,TSO4,TSO6,CHANNEL_IO,PARTIAL_CSUM,ZEROINVERT_CSUM>
  inet10.0.0.1  <https://10.0.0.1>  -->10.0.0.1  <https://10.0.0.1>  netmask 0xffffffff
  inet6 fe80::8e85:90ff:fe5c:77eb%ipsec0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x10
  inet6 2a01:4f8:c010:xxxx:1:1:0:1 prefixlen 64
  nd6 options=201<PERFORMNUD,DAD>

=====
$ ping6 -c2google.com  <https://google.com>
PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2a01:4f8:c010:xxxx:1:1:0:1 --> 2a00:1450:4001:827::200e
16 bytes from 2a00:1450:4001:827::200e, icmp_seq=0 hlim=115 time=35.949 ms
16 bytes from 2a00:1450:4001:827::200e, icmp_seq=1 hlim=115 time=37.976 ms

$ ping -c2google.com  <https://google.com>
PINGgoogle.com  <https://google.com>  (142.250.186.46  <https://142.250.186.46>): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from142.250.186.46  <https://142.250.186.46>: icmp_seq=0 ttl=115 time=36.058 ms
64 bytes from142.250.186.46  <https://142.250.186.46>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=115 time=92.463 ms

????? ?? ?????, ??????.

???????.

-- 
Volodymyr Litovka
   "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
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