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<div dir="auto">Colleagues,<br />
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Unfortunately I do not subscribe to the RIPE mail list <members-discuss@ripe.net> and I would appreciate if one of you who is subscribed to it forward my email there.</div>
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<div class="matchFont">Best withes,
<div dir="auto">Maksym</div>
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<b>From:</b> Maksym Tulyuk <maksym@tulyuk.com><br />
<b>Date:</b> 4 Mar 2022, 10:53 +0100<br />
<b>To:</b> exec-board@ripe.net, RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net><br />
<b>Cc:</b> Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>, ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>, Alex Semenyaka <alex.semenyaka@gmail.com>, Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>, discuss@enog.org<br />
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG<br />
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<div dir="auto">Dear RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee,<br />
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I, Maksym Tulyuk, a former member of ENOG programme committee, completely and unquestioningly support the idea of termination of ENOG.<br />
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In addition to what Töma Gavrichenkov wrote in his email I would like to share my experience and thoughts as the former ENOG PC member.<br />
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In my opinion, ENOG did not die at 24 February 2022 - it died in 2014 when, after Russian annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian ENOG community completely ignored ENOG 7 conference in Moscow and it was represented by two Ukrainians (who de-facto worked for Dutch and Russian companies).<br />
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Today I feel guilt and shame that I did not use my position of the member of Program Committee to turn the attention to that fact and, as a result, we have the same situation in 2022: Russian Army is attacking (again) Ukraine and RIPE NCC (again) continues organising regional meeting ENOG 19 in Moscow at 20-21 June 2022 - see the attached copy of ENOG website.<br />
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I encourage RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee be more brave that I was and terminate ENOG and here I would like to highlight the usage of the verb “terminate” not “postpone”.<br />
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P.S. Also, I encourage former and current members of ENOG Programme Committee support the idea of Töma Gavrichenkov, Alex Semenyaka and Maksym Tulyuk and publicly ask about ENOG dissolution</div>
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<div class="matchFont">Yours sincerely,
<div dir="auto">Maksym Tulyuk</div>
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<div name="messageReplySection">On 3 Mar 2022, 23:47 +0100, Alex Semenyaka <alex.semenyaka@gmail.com>, wrote:<br />
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<div dir="ltr">Dear colleagues,
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<div>I agree that the united community with horizontal links does not exist anymore.</div>
<div>Thus, let me step down from the position of the ENOG PC Vice-Chair.</div>
<div>Thank you.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:44 AM Töma Gavrichenkov <<a href="mailto:ximaera@gmail.com">ximaera@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br /></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Peace,<br />
(which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, —<br />
because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)<br />
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As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators<br />
Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE<br />
Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential<br />
future meetings indefinitely.<br />
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Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE<br />
Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian,<br />
Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional<br />
communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space<br />
among the communities.<br />
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In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said<br />
"ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be<br />
clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all<br />
the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at<br />
the time.<br />
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Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've<br />
gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have<br />
several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore<br />
don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.<br />
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Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe<br />
I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region<br />
to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold<br />
any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I<br />
hereby step down as the PC Chair.<br />
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It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide<br />
on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It<br />
is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future<br />
alignments to replace ENOG.<br />
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Stay safe.<br />
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