[uanog] Fwd: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

[Maksym Tulyuk]

Colleagues,

Unfortunately I do not subscribe to the RIPE mail list <members-discuss at ripe.net> and I would appreciate if one of you who is subscribed to it forward my email there.

Best withes,
Maksym
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From: Maksym Tulyuk <maksym at tulyuk.com>
Date: 4 Mar 2022, 10:53 +0100
To: exec-board at ripe.net, RIPE Programme Committee <pc at ripe.net>
Cc: Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>, ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>, Alex Semenyaka <alex.semenyaka at gmail.com>, Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera at gmail.com>, discuss at enog.org
Subject: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

> Dear RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee,
>
> I, Maksym Tulyuk, a former member of ENOG programme committee, completely and unquestioningly support the idea of termination of ENOG.
>
> In addition to what Töma Gavrichenkov wrote in his email I would like to share my experience and thoughts as the former ENOG PC member.
>
> In my opinion, ENOG did not die at 24 February 2022 - it died in 2014 when, after Russian annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian ENOG community completely ignored ENOG 7 conference in Moscow and it was represented by two Ukrainians (who de-facto worked for Dutch and Russian companies).
>
> Today I feel guilt and shame that I did not use my position of the member of Program Committee to turn the attention to that fact and, as a result, we have the same situation in 2022: Russian Army is attacking (again) Ukraine and RIPE NCC (again) continues organising regional meeting ENOG 19 in Moscow at 20-21 June 2022 - see the attached copy of ENOG website.
>
> I encourage RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee be more brave that I was and terminate ENOG and here I would like to highlight the usage of the verb “terminate” not “postpone”.
>
> P.S. Also, I encourage former and current members of ENOG Programme Committee support the idea of Töma Gavrichenkov, Alex Semenyaka and Maksym Tulyuk and publicly ask about ENOG dissolution
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Maksym Tulyuk
> On 3 Mar 2022, 23:47 +0100, Alex Semenyaka <alex.semenyaka at gmail.com>, wrote:
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > I agree that the united community with horizontal links does not exist anymore.
> > Thus, let me step down from the position of the ENOG PC Vice-Chair.
> > Thank you.
> >
> > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:44 AM Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Peace,
> > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, —
> > > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
> > > >
> > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators
> > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE
> > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential
> > > > future meetings indefinitely.
> > > >
> > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE
> > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian,
> > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional
> > > > communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space
> > > > among the communities.
> > > >
> > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said
> > > > "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be
> > > > clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all
> > > > the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at
> > > > the time.
> > > >
> > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've
> > > > gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have
> > > > several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore
> > > > don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
> > > >
> > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe
> > > > I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region
> > > > to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold
> > > > any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I
> > > > hereby step down as the PC Chair.
> > > >
> > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide
> > > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act.  It
> > > > is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future
> > > > alignments to replace ENOG.
> > > >
> > > > Stay safe.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Töma
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alex Semenyaka
> > _______________________________________________
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> > discuss at enog.org
> > https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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